Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook). ---- If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance). Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models: T420 - 14", normal size X220 - 12.5", ultraportable ---- Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops) >Used machines are plentiful and cheap. >Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet. >Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels. >Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models. >Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop. >Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain. >The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad. >Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support. ---- Used ThinkPad buyers guide: ktgee.net/tpg
I'm really tempted to buy one. I just got paid today and I want something portableish
Samuel Martin
Anyone know if there are any reputable refurbished sellers based in the UK, would they be worth it over used ones?
Gavin Baker
8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD, i5. T420. For 150 euros worth or not? Its fairly nicely upgraded so I'm thinking of coping.
Gavin Wilson
My W530 came with a 135W AC adapter. Is there any benefit to buy a 170W one?
Caleb Morales
give some love for my new family member
Jaxson Moore
Good deal. I bought today 8gb RAM with 320gb hdd for 200€. Thinkpads are a bit more expensive in Poland comparing to the rest of the world.
Thomas Garcia
what's up with the touchpad? other than that if the guy who wants to sell you this doesn't want to pull anything stupid, it seems pretty good for the price
Ian Martin
Good night sweet prince
Caleb Edwards
The bumpy thing has been peeled off. You can get used to the smooth pad (feels a lot faster) or get a new bumpy sticker.
Logan Robinson
A bit too minimalistic design for me
Adam Reed
Not quite sure but I think you have misplaced your chassis.
Jeremiah Young
he was repairing it you dumb farts
Christian Cook
its disassembled to see why it wasnt working properly. No luck... I'm afraid it has to go to the dump now
Ryder Perez
>I'm afraid it has to go to the dump now Please don't dump it, sell it for parts
Luke Richardson
Oh really? I had no idea! Thanks for clearing that up Cpt. Obvious.
Hardware or software problem? Isn't the screen you posted with a win10 error message? Never bothered with win10 myself so no idea how it looks like. Try and make a USB with a live Linux distro and see if it can boot that.
Anthony Harris
>Hardware or software problem? At first I thought it was software but I am certain now that its hardware related. Freezes when loading OS, regardless of whether its linux or windows and whether its from HDD or USB. Strangely enough, it posts and accesses bootloader just fine. Even checked the ram but couldn't find anything wrong. Maybe something wrong with motherboard or CPU?
Jaxon Gomez
Try installing gentoo
Aaron Collins
I have a mini dock series 3 with 1x each DVI, VGA, and Display port. My T420 is HD3000, no Nvidia GPU.
Can I connect two monitors using the DVI and VGA ports on the dock?
Carson Wright
I think the 170W will benefit if you had the K2000m GPU or the bigger W dock, otherwise I think it wouldnt matter.
So does everyone sacrifice X6x series or just me?
Any broken USB ports? Oddly I don't know much problems on X series, other then them running hot because of the WiFi card.
The lid/screen is worth $20+ or so. Someone might buy the chassis... but if its in good spec and under $20, good luck.
Owen Long
Is there much use for tablet versions?
Brandon Morgan
>few months back >someone on /tpg/ suggested the Intel 7260 as a wireless card upgrade >buy a 7260 >didn't get around to bios modding and installing the card until today >turns out I purchased the single band wireless N version of the 7260 rather than the dual band wireless AC 7260 >way too late to return it to the seller >waste money on a wireless card downgrade
Samuel Stewart
Your fault.
John Gutierrez
I want a thinkpad, help. where go? what get? Want value for money
Julian Barnes
To vague, TBLAZEIT.
Jordan Young
Checking out another Thinkvision today
Going full retard here
I think I'm going to pick up a Lenovo Easy Reach monitor stand as well, and probably a Thinkpad branded wireless mouse
Nicholas White
I was sort of asking this in the last thread, but I'm looking to get an SSD in my W520. Is there any benefit to getting an MLC drive over a TLC one? I want a 500gb drive, but I don't really want to spend $300 to get the 850 Pro. I was thinking of either the 850 EVO or the MX300. Since the Crucial drive is cheaper, I am wondering if they are also decently reliable.
Camden Miller
You truly might be retarded
Ryan Morgan
What's the model number and resolution of that thing?
Samuel Campbell
>obey
Carson Myers
no
Matthew Sullivan
It's a bigger number
Jayden Taylor
It's a cheap hobby and it triggers Cred Forums I also have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3 netbook I need to dig out of storage.
L2240PWD 1680x1050 $20 craigslist pickup
I like Shep fairey
William Brown
hey Cred Forums. Haven't bought a laptop in a long time, but I decided I want something portable to work/program on and take to interviews. Should I buy used or get something like pic related? I would not like to spend more than a grand
Easton Moore
Looking to buy a laptop for college, will be carried on a daily basis and used mainly for notes and programming
Narrowed my choices to Thinkpad T460 - 14" FHD, 1.8kg Thinkpad X260 - 12.5" 768p, 1.3kg Latitude E7470 - 14" FHD, 1.5kg
T460 seems a bit on the heavy side, X260 I'm afraid of the screen size, E7470 seems perfect but I don't know about the trackpoint/keyboard compared to Thinkpad ones
Help me out /tpg/
Josiah Rivera
Get an x230 or x220
Install a fresh SSD
you'll spend maybe $300 and have a dank portable
Anthony Young
The T410 I fucked up from trying to replace thermal paste last week seems to not yet up. It was a simple operation but the damn thing just gave up for some odd reason that I haven't figured out. I've only had it a month, it was in good shape, had it shipped across the country, and now I was the one to kill it. How should I properly bury her, /tpg/? Should I sale her for parts or keep her as a memory of my mistakes so that I may never kill one of these glorious machines ever again?
Thinking about picking up a X220. I want something that's pretty small.
Elijah Green
Thinking about doing the 900p upgrade for my T420. I hear the Samsung and Alienware screens are supposed to be the best, but there seems to be quite a few versions of each and is there difference between those?
Dylan White
Hi guys, im wondering if the old lenovo keyboard would be compatible with my x230t. By default, it has the new one (the bottom one on the pic) But that's pretty shitty, and i'm really missing the old one (top one on the pic) what do you think? can you tell me for sure if it would work, or am i fucked?
Anthony Rivera
>let's use the same model number for many different products
Still a stupid move by user and Intel
Christian Thompson
Did you use conductive thermal paste?
If so then let this be a lesson for you in future. Use only ceramic thermal paste unless you are absolutely fucking sure of what you are doing.
Adam White
>ceramic thermal paste
just use anything non conductive
fancy materials in thermal paste are a meme
Leo Torres
>buy Thinkpad with a few months renaming on the Lenovo warranty >jew the shit out of it for free keyboard, charger and more RAM
William Harris
Keyboard and trackpoint on the Dell won't be as good.
Trackpad is better, still has physical buttons. Dell docking stations have been the same since 2008 and there's a lot of cheap ones out there.
No M.2 card whitelist either.
Isaiah Brooks
Do I politely ask not to get Windows? This having to select 30-day trial of office is a bit annoying.
Where should I be looking? am in UK
Gavin Ross
Good morning Cred Forums, how is your ThinkCat doing ?
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Cat, is in fact, GNU/Cat, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Cat.
Anthony Mitchell
I can't wait until the TrackPoint patents expire next year and Dell, HP and whoever else can start stealig them.
Oliver Wright
I'm mainly concerned about the keyboard, trackpoint is nice but I can live with touchpad
Tyler Turner
The hd3000 generally has a total limit of 2 monitors (including laptop screen)
Austin Walker
Had to put him down last year. But I'm sure he would have loved my Thinkpad. That's a really pretty cat, black nosed cats are very cute. What model of Thinkpad is that?
Jayden Brown
IdeaPad? Pls no
Kayden Carter
Just found this on ebay. What the fuck? Is there some E7470 model that doesn't have the pointing stick?
Adam Foster
Aw man, sorry to hear that, he looks like a wonderful cat too. The Thinkpad is a modest T520.
Noah Sanchez
It's a shame. He was a great cat, always very cuddly. He would follow me around and tended to go to sleep on my feet in bed. But he was old and in pain, he had a happy life. I though it looked a little familiar. I've got a T530 and it looks pretty similar with the lid closed.
Jonathan Baker
I'm planning to buy from ebay but the shipment is going to cost me an arm and a leg. I've seen some sellers put a "warranty" on their devices, is it possible to buy a device this old and get it serviced in local official service center or I should just ignore all those "warranty" promises?
Alexander Moore
Generally a warranty from an eBay seller is as good as worthless, because once that 60 day feedback deadline is up, they really do not give a shit.
Quite often you can service a lot of problems yourself, and conduct tests to find issues (ie hard drive read / write, memtest86+, etc) and make sure the laptop is functioning as advertised.
Robert White
Anyone here have experience with the T420s/T430s? I can pick one up with an ultrabay battery for $115, should I do it?
Alexander Ross
>should I do it? Yes.
Adrian Brooks
That's a good deal. Yes
Elijah Stewart
That's the thing though. It was Arctic Silver ceramic thermal paste. I wore a strap and took my time with the process. I killed the thing some other way.
Josiah Allen
I bought X220 with SSD and X200. Congratulate me.
Jace Brooks
Probably overtightened the heatsink. Good job.
Ian Gutierrez
T-thanks, you t-too...
The CPU couldn't be that weak. I tightened it just right. Not too loose, not too tight. I gave up trying to figure it out though.
Christian Jackson
Congrats, user. I bought my X220 yesterday as well.
Eli Flores
On the contrary. It is pretty fragile without an IHS.
Chase Mitchell
Actually, you are right. It had two squares where I had to apply the paste and some plastic around the squares.
What should I do with the body, mama?
Ethan Nguyen
My T430, so proud of my buy! Today I finally got a second 4GB stick to replace the 2GB one. What an awesome machine!
Feel free to diss the games, I don't give a fuck. And by the way, I have Mint on the second HDD, which is my main os.
Eli Morales
Any upgrades for x220 besides more ram and ssd?
Noah Campbell
>implying the T430 can run either GTAIV or V
Jayden Taylor
Have you got an IPS panel?
James Miller
Any software on linux that will allow me to check that out?
Julian Young
What's a the recomended screen to replace for my T430?
Noah Gutierrez
Eh, does it look like shit or not? Can you see the screen at a 45 degree angle then you're fine..
Jeremiah Jenkins
It looks ok, i have shitty tablet that swaps colors at like 30° and it doesnt look like that at all
Connor Cruz
The TN panel really looks like shit unless you're at the exact right angle.. Even then it's disappointing.
You could get a 9-cell if you want some more battery life, that's always nice
If I bought an X260, and then bought a 12.5" laptop screen off of ebay that has better color gamut, would it work? assuming that it's a newer i.e. thinner display. Would there be connector problems?
Eli Gonzalez
I found a x220i for 75 on Craigslist. Thinking of getting it and upgrading the mobo with an i5. I saw the mobos going for 40 on eBay. This is a good move, right?
Camden Jenkins
Is it even worth investing money into x220, wont it go obsolete in a year?
Sebastian Williams
the PSU may not support it. if you can deconfirm that, it's good.
Nolan Taylor
Why would it? Penryn Core 2 Duo is still sufficient for most tasks, never mind a Sandy Bridge i5.
Michael Mitchell
getting this for $20 soon, just to mess around with thinkpad and see if i like it. I think i got a deal
Gavin Richardson
As long as the connector is the same (eDP), it should work. But I think its harder to disassemble the display housing on newer thinkpads.
Jose Harris
Good point. I will have to confirm
Jeremiah Turner
I still use an X60 which I've had since 2006. It runs text editors, web browsers, and light desktop applications perfectly fine.
Nathaniel Hill
the display is still easy to disassemble from what I've read.
Daniel Russell
I'm also seeing something about a "30pin LED with eDP" as opposed to LCD. would that matter?
Henry Evans
Don't forget the connector location (left or right side) and if the mounting rails are compatible.
Liam James
In other words, I would likely just have to buy the laptop to confirm everything I need to know, and then shop?
Owen Cook
I've read that on some models brightness controls in Windows won't work if the display isn't on a whitelist
Joseph Ross
FYI, I finished GTA IV and the The Lost and the Damned, I'm currently playing The Ballad of Gay Tony and I already checked that GTA V runs, so it's next.
Adam Jenkins
>implying
Carson Garcia
Bought today t420 and I can't stand waiting for it to come to my house. Gentoo will be first installed thing on it.
Cool, thanks. I'll have to save all this info somewhere for when I have the money. The X260 is almost my perfect laptop, but the compromise with the screen gone, it's literally my perfect laptop. At this rate, I may just wait for kabylake, though.
Nathan Nguyen
X230 a good deal for 220eur? i5 no ssd, 4gb ram
Or L420 for 100, battery dead
Adrian Gomez
5400M vs 4200M anyyone?
Benjamin Williams
Get an X220t palm rest as well or dremel the shit out of the extra nub in front of the old keyboard's trackpoint buttons and enlarge the holes for the keyboard nubs in the X230t palm rest.
I am currently searching for an X220 palm rest for my X230 because of that goddamn extra nub in the middle front of the trackpoint buttons.
Jaxson Roberts
X270 will be a complete redesign.
Juan Price
source?
Justin White
bump!
Xavier Sullivan
X230T for 400€ or Yoga 12 for 800€?
I am just not sure if I will be able to deal with the low resolution and bulk of the X230T.
Brandon Price
Chassis designs only last for 3 generations.
Samuel Lopez
>800€ You could get a x250/260 or t460 at that point
Alexander Reed
>Quite often you can service a lot of problems yourself, and conduct tests to find issues (ie hard drive read / write, memtest86+, etc) and make sure the laptop is functioning as advertised. I can do all that by myself but I'm still a bit afraid that I'll get mailed a dead device I'll have to send back for half the price
Austin Thomas
ebay refunds you, and seller pays return shipping.
Grayson Jackson
What is this small top part of the X200 and X201 lid, why does it start to become wobbly over time, and how can I make it more solid again
Daniel Foster
I want to upgrade the screen on my new x250
Do I order the screen from ebay, change it myself and fuck up my 3 year warranty since the screen is not a CRU or bring it to authorized service and pay an arm and a leg?
Lincoln Smith
I just got my 420s and am super stoked to check it out, but im having to wait for my SSD in the mail. The hype is real, i love how that thing is constructed
Blake Campbell
are there screws on the side of the screen? if not, can you google and find a thin wedge? if the answer to either is yes, your path is clear.
Angel Carter
Are thinkpads ever going to be good again or should I just buy a Surface Book?
Jaxon Nguyen
They're still loads better than everything else on the market.
Brayden Baker
Thinkpads are still top of the industry. Only comparable laptop is the Dell Latitude series and the mouse clits on the Dells are awful.
Gabriel Turner
Is worth buy a used x220? (used by a corp, 2 years of use aprox.)
thanks
Caleb Adams
Price, specs
Jaxson Reed
>implying
Michael Thompson
i5-2520m, TN HD display, 4gb ram, 128gb SSD.
Aprox. 255 USD (177,000CLP)
Thanks bro
Brayden Sanchez
>guys I have an idea >what if >what if we make >a hinge that scratches any surface you put it on >guys ? >it's great, right ?
Asher Allen
INDUSTRY LEADING DESIGN™
Jack Sanchez
that's been abandoned.
Christopher Phillips
Okay I think I made up my mind on buying X220T from local shop
$391 Intel Core i5-2520M CPU 2,5GH 4 GB RAM 160 Gb SSD I think (I really hope) it's the outdoor and not the multitouch version
It's only $220 on ebay but the shipping is around $70 and it's going to take a month to ship Also local shop has a 6 month warranty and I'll be able to check the state of the refurb quality before buying
Jose Johnson
...
Ryder Adams
SSD recommendations for my Stinkpad T420??
Adam Wilson
that has no trackpoint, and physical laptop buttons for otherwise have been dead for half a decade.
Lincoln Anderson
the cheapest one.
Parker Myers
Which SSD specs are compatible tho?
Like 7mm or what
Liam Hughes
Whatever mSATA you can afford
Blake Flores
yes.
Jordan Richardson
I like the clean chassis, the dell pointing stick is shit anyways
Jeremiah Peterson
and the 2.5" form factor is the one I want correct?
Grayson King
it's full sata.
James Butler
So SATA 3 works?
Robert Perez
Why are you using full sata? Go mSATA SSD and two HDD
Robert Baker
>Go mSata
Nahh
Blake Wright
half transfer rates.
Ayden Reed
thats only because google has a strict requirements for IO
Dylan Wood
Only if you only use command line and minimal Linux distros or xp. Windows 7 is barely usable and passable with an ssd. My t61p is my greatest buyers remorse but I love my x230
Ayden Ward
Just ordered one of these bad boys. Cannot wait to join the Thinkpad master race~
David Parker
works on my machine
try not being too poor for 8GB DDR2, it really helps
Jaxson Nguyen
Which current models have the touch fingerprint reader, a la as opposed to the old slide one? I hear the new one is better.
John Flores
>windows
YE XD
Dominic Peterson
Also runs Xubuntu perfectly. I don't use it much though, since Advanced Dock functionality is questionable in Linux.
Luke Stewart
Is there anything special I need to do(drivers or whatever) if I reformat my X230 to install W7 and/or Mint?
Zachary Sullivan
What did he mean by this
Jaxson Turner
Does anyone have experience with X260, T460 or T560? I got a sexy T450 but I wonder if any of them might justify a [spoiler]hipster[/spoiler] upgrade.
Also, where to order cheap spare parts, in particular the ext. battery and keyboard buttons?
Mason Richardson
Had a T460 and wasn't very impressed. The casing didn't really feel premium (uneven gaps, plastic leftovers, creaking), screen was only okay (even though I won the screen lottery and got the LG one), one of the keyboard keys had an issue (wasnt clicky like the others and would sometimes become stuck).
Got rid of it, still looking for a replacement.
Asher Jackson
How well do they do for gaming? How upgradeable are these things?
Matthew Cook
as upgradable as laptops are, and the older models with expresscard slots can support any GPU.
Liam Collins
beautiful just because they unfucked the worst parts doesn't mean they went back to the normal previous keyboard layout/type
Anthony Murphy
the layout problems suck, but the sperging over it is silly.
Jason Cook
yeah, it's so silly to care about a properly designed product you've been using for years turning to shit because some faggot gooks think everything should be a macbook clone
Sebastian Sanchez
If you're salty enough about it that you'll use a laptop with a three hour battery life forever, you're an idiot.
Nolan Cox
Anyone else having issues with the headphone jack in your t420 I'm using [spoiler] Windows10[/spoiler], the mic button doesn't seem to light up when pushed, and plugging any headphones in the jack does nothing, the sound keeps coming from the onboard speakers
Jose Foster
as if they've made significant improvements in their battery tech
All they did was add DRM to their batteries to fuck over the user even more.
The problem is that there literally isnt any alternative. I'm still on my x230 and im skipping the 240 and probably 250.
I'm kinda curious about the Asuspro B series bit they don't really sell those in holland.
Blake Foster
15-20 hours is nothing to sneeze at, user. the batteries don't have to advance, the processors have.
Landon Rogers
x201 master race!
Did the user I talked to a while ago get his nip keyboard yet?
Bentley Turner
So, anons, I know this isn't the perfect place to ask this, but since a lot of you use i3, I'll ask anyway.
I'm currently waiting for my x220 and I'm thinking about what I'm going to do with it. I've never used i3, but looking at how it might work well with a ThinkPad (it's a laptop and I'd like to minimize the amount of times I'd have to reach for trackpads or even trackpoints) and how many people recommend it, I'm seriously interested. Problem is, I've never used a tiling WMs before, and I fear that it will take me too long to get used to it. Should I give it a try?
Aiden Gutierrez
those are marketing numbers after you spend good money on their tumor top spec batteries
doubt their shit can pull eight hours at a normal workload and comfortable brightness
Ryan Anderson
using a browser that uses hinting would help you the most a la qutebrowser. the more CLI the better apart from that. dmenu, terminal and virtual desktop shortcuts are all I really use, although I did set alt-tab to focus the window to the right, which helped the transition a lot. get an SSD too.
Jayden Moore
X201 guy please help Also did you buy the nip keyboard later or did it come with one? If I like the X201 enough to want to invest, I'll be buying a 9cell and a nip keyboard - love me the extra mappable buttons, full sized windows key and large left shift plus large right enter key, only one of which is available for US/EU keyboards
Dylan Lee
It's half the battery capacity that way, so it has half the lifespan. 7.5 hours on the lowest end. power management under linux is good now, so using a light setup would easily get top numbers. either way, it's better than 3 hours.
Carter Sanchez
>3 hours You keep repeating that number like it's the universal truth. Meanwhile, I get at 5-6 hrs on good brightness with a moderate workload on a fucking X200T running GNU/Linux
A worn X200 6 cell can give me 3 hours
Oliver Rodriguez
I don't mind using the trackpad while browsing since I usually have one hand on it while browsing regardless. Plus, I don't want to adapt to a new browser; I'm fine with my pleb Firefox. Generally, that applies to most stuff I will use; I don't really want to switch to new software (I'm still a fairly unexperienced moron, so consider that) I'm somewhat low on money after picking one up, but I'm considering picking one up in future.
Forgot to ask in the last post, but how hard is it to rice i3? I've never really used config files for ricing, but I assume that it's not that hard as long as I follow the directions/guides.
Sebastian Martinez
3 hours is what I get best case on my worn 9 cell. you're full of shit.
Josiah Torres
I bought it later, I'm sure it would be very hard to find one that comes with one in a western country. I recommend it, but going from US layout to this was something to get used to...
Keyboards are cheap, and you can find nip ones on ali for like $20.
Easton Long
And what about the loose lid part? What is it and how can I make it not loose?
Nolan Phillips
>worn 9 cell maybe if you didn't have a garbage battery way past its lifespan there are 9cells that will give less than an hour because they're fucked. Don't see anyone using those to make claims about device battery life
Xavier Rogers
it's not hard, but I just mooched all my configs off someone else. .i3/config is where keybinds go.
Adam Bennett
So the fan in my T420s is sort of getting annoying.
Has anyone heard of a fan retrofit? Is there a fan that will fit in there that moves more air and spins slower?
William Sullivan
In any case, 3 6 or 9 hours is peanuts when compared to 15-20. that's what I want in a laptop, along with a good quality screen and a keyboard that's good to type on, regardless of your autism.
Isaac Morgan
Alright, thanks. Where'd you find it? Perhaps I could do the same to save me the pain.
Elijah Edwards
reapply thermal paste, dust that shit, install thinkfan/tpfancontrol.
Camden Mitchell
Loose lid? The lid on mine has been solid as a rock since I got it. I can pick it up by the top lip of the lid and the chassis stays in place on the bottom. If you actually do get one that's somehow loose, it's not hard to rip these things apart. I've done it multiple times for different hardware changes.
Tyler Morris
cute kitty
Christian Bailey
here. the old lo/g/os configs, I don't remember all of them. might help.
Samuel Bailey
C'mon man, did ya check the picture in ?
I remember someone with an X220 complaining of the same part starting to come loose on here some weeks ago
Blake Wood
>along with a good quality screen and a keyboard that's good to type on, yeah because those are key features of shitpads shitpads have always had shit screens and now they have a shit keyboard As for your 15-20 hours, that's a marketing meme. In reality it's still a fraction of that after spending good money on slice batteries, 9cells etc.
Every new Thinkpad gen is getting closer and closer to looking like a Walmart ultrabook
Jackson Russell
Oh whoops I missed that. Mine isn't loose, but if it did ever become loose, the screen assembly is also fairly easy to take apart. If you had to you could stick some tape behind it to keep it in place. I can't say if this is a real issue, though. I've never had any troubles with that specific piece of the case.
Hudson Stewart
the screen is replacable, asshole. they're still the gold standard for repairability. your hot shit opinions won't work on me.
Jaxson Sanders
>thermal paste Done, Arctic Silver 5. >dust that shit Done, and do it every once in a while. >install thinkfan/tpfancontrol I have TLP installed.
The problem I have is the CPU thermal throttles all the damn time. It very regularly hits 97c. The fan runs basically all the time, but when it gets above 2.5k RPM it's a high pitched whine. At max RPM it's very noticeable.
John Howard
powertop
Oliver Cox
Ah, thanks anyway Haven't taken it apart for cleaning yet as the cpu temps were pretty mild so didn't need repasting
Jace Barnes
Dont use arctic silver 5 in a notebook unless you dont mind changing it every 10 months or so. Its great thermal paste but it wears out after not even a year (better when overclocking and you replace it once in a while) . MX5 cools about the same (maybe 0.5 C difference) and doesnt dry out as quickly.
Carson Campbell
Enjoy your Walmart laptop family. This is what passes for Thinkpad these days. It's obvious though that you've never used an actual Thinkpad and want to defend your nupad shitware that you overpaid for
When retarded gooks try to make a perfectly good business line into muh thin macbook clone you say something.
You could have had a quality laptop with the added bonus of good battery life (this comes from any modern mobile CPU so it's not Shitovo ingenuity that gave you your """20 hours"""").
Benjamin Anderson
After reading the discussion. What exactly passes as a good laptop to you.? >inb4 pig disgusting macbook
Isaac Adams
tlp isnt a fan control program.
Ayden Bennett
>After reading the discussion. What exactly passes as a good laptop to you.? Shouldn't that seem a bit obvious? I'm defending older Thinkpads.
An older Thinkpad body (quality plastics, magnesium, titanium, or carbon fiber casing) with 2016 hardware and resolution/screen quality, no battery DRM is the ideal machine. Apparently, good features are """"""RETRO""""""" now
Grayson Rogers
I'll look into it
Good to know, thanks
You know, you are right. My brain is farting.
But that's beside the point anyway. The fan that's in the laptop can't keep the processor cool. I was hoping I could replace the fan with a better one. I know the chances that there's a better fan that has the exact same dimensions is fantastically small, but I still gotta ask.
I know someone will probably ask, and then everyone will point and laugh, so I'll just come right out and say that this laptop has the i7-2640m.
Daniel White
Oh okay, fair enough. I agree that the newer chinkpads arent as good but alternatives all have shitty downsides.
Elitebooks are housefire machines, Dells are just meh and the Asus probooks are nowhere to be found here in holland.
Feel like I'm going to stick to my x230 forever.
Robert Edwards
Is the original X1 any good? According to the thinkpad wiki it has the 1366x768 screen. Are there any upgrade options to that at all?
Mason Ward
I'm trying to adjust my display settings on my T-420 Could someone tell me where the contrast control key is?
every western producer has adjusted to the shorter lifecycle of products
laptops are becoming more disposable and hardware gets upgraded quicker like phones now so there is no reason to make quality hardware.
Laptops were only made good when they had to survive longer in enterprise (so that the manufacturer was less likely to get screwed with warranty claims)
there are still some rare companies that don't go for the cheap hardware with short lifecycle market, mostly because they don't share the western consumerism approach towards good production (Panasonic for example)
this is why common good quality features that were considered a standard a few years ago are now "retro"
Oh... I had never even heard of this machine. But it looks suspiciously like a consumer model.
Thomas Ross
his arse
James Allen
I'm confused, user. The x220 and x220t are pretty much identical hardware-wise, right? So, both can be upgraded up to 16gb of ram?
Ryan Ramirez
the only """acceptable""" nu-ThinkPad desu and thats only considering the fact it's an iPad Pro competitor
Jordan Jenkins
Thanks to the user who suggested upgrading the t420 cpu to a quadcore i7 2720qm, this thing is fast as fug now despite being an old laptop.
Isaac Reyes
My x220 comes tomorrow. Pretty fucking stoked. Going to be trying out a few distros with it. So far, I want to try Manjaro, Antegros, and Xubuntu. Any other ones I should check out? Especially ones that have been known to work well on x220s?
Jeremiah Parker
Funtoo.
Owen Kelly
>Funtoo P L E A S E Ututo
Jayden Walker
those questionnaires we filled out a year ago or so, are lenovo planning to make a thinkpad specced from those answers?
Lincoln Taylor
Late reply, but yes, I have. It had the same nasty coating as yours.
Oh well, my X200s battery crapped out on me, so at least I'm not wearing the coating down before I fix that.
Kevin Barnes
I heard a quote from someone at lenovo on the timeframe that their products are developed on. Completely misquoting, but I think it was 6 months fast, 2 years slow. could be soon. I heard it on some yoga book design video, I wanna find it again.
Andrew Bennett
Own a T23, T400, and P50. P50's only trait that doesnt destroy the other two is having prnt scrn where right win key should be. Which is a trivial problem anyways.
Blake Torres
Since no one used the speakers on the T420, what do you think could be done with the extra space on the side, if anything?
Easton Morris
What's the best thinkpad that matches price and performance?
Preferably something which is a quad core, dual channel, and isn't thin. But hell, I know you can't expect everything from the world.
Dominic Butler
Running lots of excel and database stuff on my trusty old memepad, need a mouse for the stuff.
What are good memepad approved wireless mice?
Juan Rivera
Bidding on an ex-company Thinkpad Helix. Does anyone know of any known issues? (Besides being made by Lenovo).
Adrian Hughes
T420, T520 or W520
Angel Richardson
FUCK My x220 has a tn panel, where i can get legit IPS in netherlands?
Evan White
Or x240 if battery life is really that important
Evan Brooks
/retro/ was kind enough to recommend your help, /tpg/.
Seriously, where do I find sexy little things like pic related? eBay is of no use. I have plenty of old Latitudes, and even a kickass LifeBook, but I am still memepad-less, and I would like to fix that.
Oliver Lopez
>1.8kg is too heavy
What are you, an american?
Michael Jones
finding stuff like that is really luck, honestly. try flea markets, thrift stores, pawnshops, etc.
Jacob Lopez
It will fit however the tabs on the palmrest are shorter than the tabs on the old keyboard. I just cut the tabs in the palmrest taller with an exacto knife. You'll also need to add a tab in the center for the trackpoint buttons - just cut it all the way through to the bottom.
I don't recommend buying an X220T palmrest because I did that and it just didn't fit quite right on the X230T, the edge hanged over a little bit and felt sharper than the original, so I just made the original make it fit
Zachary Jenkins
It's got the NVS. People underestimate the fuck out if it. It's far more potent than the T420's dGPU was.
Blake Stewart
If it's IPS, it will only get slightly darker at 45 degrees up then get brighter again at higher angles. The colors will not change at any angle.
If everything inverts if it tilts up 5 degrees, it's a TN.
Parker Cook
>trying to calibrate the pen on a first-generation Helix I have a couple mm inaccuracy and no pressure sensitivity.
Alexander Edwards
Define obsolete.
Christian Bell
It has the distortion effect when i press on it
Brandon Barnes
They only lasted for two until the T440 and on. So they could go one generation more if they so decided.
Dylan Johnson
It's pretty hard to find truly retro thinkpads on ebay and stuff, your best bet is looking around in your local area
You will be able to find old thinkpads on ebay and similar places but they will be severely overpriced. Laptops older than like a t60 shouldn't cost more than like $30-60 bucks at most especially considering virtually all will be shit quality
David Powell
Like, i5 2520m is pretty old processor
Alexander Parker
Only thing wrong is the layout. The keys themselves are god tier. I am not fucking around when I say it's better to type on than the T60 days.
Though, this is with a T430 I'm talking about here, I think the X1 keys have a smaller travel distance so that of course is not quite as good
Adrian Taylor
T430s fan might fit. No guarantees though.
Leo Jackson
I have read that the fan can be radically different in sound and airflow between different FRU manufacturers. So do some research on which is the best manufacturer for T420s fans. Maybe you got the shit one.
Chase Clark
>no touchpad buttons The P50 did it right. Add them, including a middle button.
I know the trackpoint is obviously superior. But if you're gonna have a touchpad at all, how about no fucking compromises.
Michael Lewis
They sound like any other average laptop speakers if you have the Dolby drivers. SOL if you're on Linux though.
Brandon Cox
That's meaningless. All screens do that.
Easton Reed
Maybe so but Intel processors haven't hardly changed for years. Being uncontested by AMD for so long has made them stagnate.
What's it too slow at?
Anthony Richardson
It's just getting old. It does a good job at making portable shitposting machine but nothing else
Joseph Gomez
THIS
Thinkpad's new keyboard shouldn't count as chiclet. The keys are not flat. They are probably even more curved in than the older style even.
John Bennett
Nothing else like what? Unlike the T60 or whatever it can handle 1080p videos and shit no sweat. That's not going to go away unless you want to watch 4K on your 768p screen anyway.
Only thing it can't really do is vidya, but you would be an idiot to play any vidya other than Doom on a laptop anyway
Jacob Lewis
What is it that you want from processors? You can't increase the clock speed. There are already as many cores as programmers are capable of utilizing. What more do you need from a processor?
Carter Russell
I don't, hence why I disagree that it is obsolete. You're only proving my point.
Kevin Murphy
What is the most requiring game i can run on that i5?
Gavin Peterson
>Only thing it can't really do is vidya, but you would be an idiot to play any vidya other than Doom on a laptop anyway Even this isn't the processor's fault but rather the GPU (or lack thereof)
Even a 6th gen i5 isn't going to do great for that on the iGPU alone
Nolan Brooks
4Gb of static ram.
Gabriel Morgan
I don't think any game this side of fucking ARMA 3 or whatever is really going to be held back by that CPU.
It's the GPU that's going to suck. But you can plug an external one in through the expresscard slot to fix that.
Noah Lee
>I don't think any game this side of fucking ARMA 3 or whatever is really going to be held back by that CPU. And even that's not the CPU's fault but rather because ARMA 3 is based on an old engine and is more or less single threaded.
Noah Powell
>here are already as many cores as programmers are capable of utilizing. The 2nd gen i5 is only dual core. So it can definitely be improved from there.
Getting an i7 QM will fix that just fine and won't require a new laptop.
Joshua James
Can I upgrade to i7 in x220 without replacing entire mobo?
Ryder Morris
Geekbench scores between that and the X260's i5-6200U are pretty close to each other.
2,507 vs 2,424 single core 5,404 vs 4,982 multi core
It's an utterly pitiful difference. So either they're really skimping out on the current gen U processors or the old one is just fine.
Christian Bailey
No. It's soldered.
My bad, I was thinking of a T420, which can be upgraded since it's socketed
Ian Cox
>So either they're really skimping out on the current gen U processors It's this senpai.
I think 6th gen U processors are literally slower than 5th gen U processors
Carter Wright
Also X260's i5-6200U is also dual core.
Isaac Reed
no x series laptops has a quadcore
Matthew James
This is true even on this year's gen
If you're buying a new laptop for a faster CPU than X220 you're fucking up unless you want to go up to the 14 inch laptops
isn't memeing, Intel has hardly improved between generations because they have no need to
Brandon Jones
Holy fuck scratch that, even T460 has no quad core option
I had no idea the stagnation was that bad
Jaxson Hernandez
why would you want a quadcore in a laptop that struggles with a dualcore the t460p has a qc tho
Gabriel Taylor
I don't, I'm just struggling to understand why user above is saying X220's CPU is obsolete when today's thinkpad CPUs outside of the hot n' heavy performance models have hardly any better ones
Leo Flores
Struggles?
Michael Wright
Holy fuck
X230's i5-3210M is FASTER in Geekbench single core than X260's i5-6200U
If you're upgrading, make it an X230.
Michael Myers
Okay, so the reason for this is because starting with T440/X240, they started going with the 'U' processors, which are made to be thinner and smaller but are weaker as a result.
So the consequence is that the CPU has actually been slower than X230 until the X260, and even then it's only caught up in multicore performance but only by a little bit
We have so many fuckloads of CPU power today that there's not much to be improved. It's a huge surplus.
Tyler James
I couldnt find a x230 in neat price senpai, but im suprised how neat is that x220 for nearly 200 euro. I was just worried that this processor will bottleneck me
Jaxson Kelly
Why are the Exx series worse than the Txx series?
Since I've heard that you should avoid them but I don't know why exactly. Reason why is because I have a friend willing to sell me their E430. Should I just get a T430?
Isaac Hall
It's the budget model. Has uglier bezels and worse build quality, much harder to take apart.
What price was he going to sell it for?
Ian Evans
They're uglier. That's about the only significant reason. It's "Not Muh Thinkpad" but it's still a decent enough laptop with the same guts as a T430.
Colton Hill
$85 and it looks pretty new. It's the i3 one. Worth it?
Jaxson Reyes
That's a nice price but i3 is a little underwhelming. A T430 will probably be found for closer to $200-$300.
Depends how badly you want a laptop now I guess
Justin Thomas
Thanks for the info, I'm going to head to sleep and I'll pick it up tomorrow.
Night /tpg/
Jayden Bailey
>Why are the Exx series worse than the Txx series?
Practically, it has worse battery life (no extended battery option), and in the case of E430 vs T430 a worse screen (1366x768 vs 1600x900)
Robert Thompson
What resolution does T510 have?
A place near my work is offloading a shitload for $120 each
Is that a good price? They're also dumping T500's for $50 each
Joshua Rivera
T430 master race here >tfw faggots still buy ULV CPUs Top kek. Enjoy being jewed by intel
Kevin Garcia
>45W How's your battery life affected with that thing in it? Temps? Compared to the stock i5
Jonathan Jenkins
Daily reminder that T430 can be equipped with dual 9cell batteries, so it can get 26 hours of battery life.
Aaron Davis
What ram do you recommend for x220?
Carson Adams
>chink battery
Jose Cook
>after_running_prime95.jpg
John Bailey
>battery life Don't know, since it also has overclocked nvidia 5400m GPU and two 2TB HDDs + mSATA SSD. When browsing Cred Forums and using foobar in the background it's about 7-8 hours on new 9cell battery.
Julian Hernandez
>When browsing Cred Forums and using foobar in the background it's about 7-8 hours on new 9cell battery. Well shit, that's good enough for me senpai
Once this piece of shit Dell dies I think I'll upgrade to a souped up T430
Hopefully by then they'll have the LVDS/eDP IPS mod board sorted out
Andrew Torres
>overclocked nvidia 5400m GPU How do you do that senpai? Is it just a bios setting?
Daniel Cooper
msi afterburner? It pretty much allows me to play GTA V at high settings and 1600x900 res at 30FPS+ Also Fallus 4, far cry 4 and many, many more... That's the best thinkpad I've ever used. Too bad I can't afford T440p in full config. But it also lacks expresscard slot... So fuck it, T430 is my last thinkpad ever.
Chase Mitchell
>Too bad I can't afford T440p in full config. But it also lacks expresscard slot... So fuck it, T430 is my last thinkpad ever. What about a W530 with the Quadro K2000? You get a kickass screen out of it and it really isn't that much bigger
You could just drop in the CPU you already have too
William Butler
>15,6" screen No thanks senpai. I own T520 already and it's definitely too big. Also >W530 >W No desu, I really enjoy using 90W PSU. I don't need 135W/170W one.
Adrian Gomez
Shit son, it seems like the K2000 is spec-for-spec equivalent to the GT 730M anyhow
But the T440p needs 135W
Jonathan Ramirez
>No thanks senpai. I own T520 already and it's definitely too big. Wanna sell it senpai? What screen's it got?
I gave my T420 to my dad and I kinda trade for it back
Juan Powell
Fuck it then. T430 is the master race in that case. :^) Also posting my old X230.
Julian Nelson
My dad is using it and he's pretty happy with it, so I'm not gonna sell it.
Henry Carter
>chink seller FIFY
Nathan Bennett
My T420s used to go to 80C on 1080p 60fps videos and games like guild wars 1 on max fan.
I went to power options, reduced CPU to 95%, I feel no difference in speed but I'm now sitting at 40C on idle and never more than 60C on those two previous events. Definitely recommend trying that to anyone on windows with similar issues
Lincoln Harris
I want to get a laptop for university, I will mainly code, browse, work and play hearthstone on it. It shouldn't be too heavy and it should fit into my bag. I thought about a ThinkPad. What do you think is good? Budget goes up to 1200 € but I don't have to spend it all. I just want a nice laptop that will live through my 5 years of university.
Carson Morgan
>going to university >ever You're a failure. And for failures like you there are macbooks.
Jace Murphy
It's cause doing that disables Turbo Boost, which is a shitload of heat for very little gain
Austin Rogers
I used a c720 chromebook with crouton (linux) for the first 3 years of CS and now own a T420s alongside it for longer hours/usage of windows when needed for my master's. 1200 is just too much for what you want it to do, you shouldnt spend over 200
Luke Hernandez
Is this a Windows only thing? Can I disable it elsewhere?
Nathaniel Gray
At least he's not a NEET like you.
The shit you'll be coding in your classes won't need fuck all for processing power.
My X230 runs Hearthstone fine and weighs like 3 pounds and lasts 6-9 hours on battery (12 without wifi)
Got that baby for $160 bucks though $200-$300 would be more typical
Brody Ross
>tfw this burned thinkpad still works That's why you should never buy consumer grade laptops
Ryder Reed
>implying I'm NEET No you fucker, I was employed as a software engineer immediately after high school.
Logan Campbell
No, it's a CPU builtin feature
Limiting the core clock (which is what the Windows CPU max usage does) will do it
I bet there's some convenient Linux package solution that specifically disables it too, if limiting the core clock is too simple for you
Joshua Phillips
What, did your dad get you a job?
Not everyone lives in a land full of tech opportunity you know.
Chase Hall
>No you fucker, I was employed as a software engineer immediately after high school. Your demeanor and maturity suggests you haven't graduated high school yet. You're just hoping a job will fall right into your lap.
Owen Hughes
I'll browse it a bit, thanks
Logan Gray
Where do you live? Because I live in Poland, which is considered as a 3rd world country. The deal is simple: you got something valuable to offer which your employer wants. School diploma is NOT what most employers want, unless they want to wipe their ass.
Asher Torres
>Because I live in Poland, which is considered as a 3rd world country. By definition yes but it is a hell of a lot more dense and connected than Bumfuck Nowhere, United States.
Hunter Russell
Since when you need to be mature to be employed? Corporate cuck detected. Do you also wear suit and your trusty old fedora when you go to work?
Joshua Russell
>School diploma is NOT what most employers want, unless they want to wipe their ass. In Poland maybe. First world is different.
Christopher Perry
Anything I should know before buying a thinkpad off ebay?
Hunter Wilson
>School diploma is NOT what most employers want, unless they want to wipe their ass. Outside of Poland you will get laughed out of the interview if you don't have a degree.
Parker Sanders
>tfw murican companies are more interested in a piece of paper rather than actual experience and skills
Elijah Ross
Check Craigslist first.
Usually a better deal, and you can check it out and test it before throwing down money.
Aiden Clark
You're being trolled.
It's not called high school in Poland.
Matthew White
Those murican companies designed the laptop you're shitposting on right now.
John Mitchell
> First world company wouldn't like to pay you less for the same job because you don't have a diploma You must be german or from any other diplomaland with over 9000% of public workers.
Tyler Adams
Thanks brother, I ordered a MacBook Air.
Nathaniel Cooper
>outside of poland I don't think it differs from sweden, germany and other european countries. I got a lot of friends from these countries and a some of them were employed straight after high school. Unless education system in your country works as it should and it gives you actual knowledge that you can use in your work (therefore, save employer's time to teach you everything) then going to uni is a waste of time. Of course I'm talking here about IT private sector only.
Gabriel Price
Did you remember to also order iDoldo Dragon PLUS(TM) Dockin Station? You'll need it.
Jaxon Hall
High schools in the US don't teach jack shit about computers. Least in my experience. Unless you go to a dedicated tech high school but those are fairly rare and you might not live near one
Sure you can learn in your spare time but it doesn't show much experience compared to Mr Money Fuckhead who did a bunch of class projects on IT shit in college because he had the resources and colleagues and internship connections to do so with
Cooper Rivera
>The shit you'll be coding in your classes won't need fuck all for processing power. >My X230 runs Hearthstone fine and weighs like 3 pounds and lasts 6-9 hours on battery (12 without wifi) >Got that baby for $160 bucks though $200-$300 would be more typical I checked it and it's 300€, looks fine to me.
Hudson Watson
Yeah, thinkpads are pricier in europe for some reason. Must not be as common there. Main reason they're cheap here is they're mass business surplus offloaded when they upgrade to the next model. Maybe yuropoor businesses are more into dells or hps or some shit
Jaxon Baker
Almost forgot, cheers man.
Isaac Evans
>First world company wouldn't like to pay you less for the same job because you don't have a diploma Nope, because they contract out to pajeets in overseas firms in India instead
Christopher Wright
The reason to do college for programming shit in the US is purely so you have easy ins to get internships. That's what employers really want.
Elijah Brown
Nothing on craiglist, it's unpopular here. I've found some local deals with people selling the device I want but it's $300-$350 against $100-200 on ebay, but shipping is up to $100 and takes forever to ship
Jack Davis
Blame your government for allowing that. >murica
Connor Price
Yup.
I'm just strapped in for the ride though. Nothing I can do about it.
I have an IT job without a diploma here by the way, but I only did it because my dad worked at the place, convinced them to hire me as a temp for the summer to do trivial shit they didn't wanna bother with, and I ended up getting hired full time because I did the work of 3 of their guys in much less time
Christian Hughes
Ah, sorry I put that on you. :(
I'll probably be buying another just because I'm OCD about my electronics, not sure where I'll look, but if what I get looks pretty I can recommend it again. Promise I won't fall for chink tricks again!!
That, or if you grab another before I do that'd be swell to hear where you got it.
Alexander Campbell
what's your temps under full load? my t430 struggles with an i5, i don't want to imagine a 45 watt cpu
Bentley Rogers
Disable Turbo Boost to cut 20C off basically for free.
Adam Allen
Hah, don't worry, I would have probably ended up getting it anyway! At least it's working
Not sure if I'm gonna spend any time with this machine in a while now, not really thrilled about having to get another battery for it (and then find that the charging circuit just gave up)
But please report back if you find a good one! Really glad I found one for my X220
Juan Butler
it still throttles it just takes slightly longer to throttle with turbo boost off
Brody Harris
Then repaste it. You're doing something wrong, satan. Maybe your fan is fucked up? Or the heatsink heatpipe is cracked somewhere?
Kayden Perry
New thread:
Blake Gomez
Thanks, I'll see if there are different FRUs and see which one I have
Possibly. If the above doesn't work I'll try this I guess.