Thoughts on criterion?

Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

Thoughts on criterion?

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.amazon.com/Hooked-Pauline-Kael/dp/0525484299
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
Kevin Nelson
Kevin Nelson

Does it have 600000000000 dead?

Nicholas Hernandez
Nicholas Hernandez

It has footage of locals saying "yeah, we knew, and so what?".

There's also an 'interview' with a former officer who doesn't know how to react when somebody asks him about work camps, so he just stops serving beers and starts chain smoking.

Jose Nelson
Jose Nelson

He probably knew that he would be arrested if he went on record telling the truth (that it was just labour camps and there were no gas chambers)

Nathaniel Allen
Nathaniel Allen

An interesting experience to sit and watch in one or a couple of sittings. Has a lot of critics. Lots of perspective onto the victims lived experiences. Too much time wasted listening to the translator.

Gabriel Baker
Gabriel Baker

In freshman year, it was required viewing and our entire semester was going to be based on writing papers about it. I dropped the class immediately.

"History of WWII" my ass, if it was going to be a class entirely about the Holocaust somebody should have put that in the course description.

Nicholas Torres
Nicholas Torres

things that never happened

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

What are some other TREBLINKA-core kinos?

Ryan Ortiz
Ryan Ortiz

I'm planning to watch it soon, what would you consider to be optimal speed? 1.25 or 1.5 or 2? I usually watch slow films at 1.33.

Nicholas Russell
Nicholas Russell

I thought that was the theme of this thread

Grayson Murphy
Grayson Murphy

Speeding movies up? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

Reminder: literally no Nazi ever denied the holocaust, but to rather the extent of their participation.

labour camps and no gas chambers
the thousands who corroborate this are just conspiring
And did you forget about the open-air shootings, or is that all fake too?

Gabriel Flores
Gabriel Flores

I found “Shoah” logy and exhausting right from the start, and when it had been going on for an hour or longer I was squirming restlessly, my attention slackening

The heart of his obsession appears to be to show you that the Gentiles will do it to the Jews again if they get a chance.
“Shoah” is a long moan. It’s saying, “We’ve always been oppressed, and we’ll be oppressed again.”

- Based Pauline Kael

Luke Wright
Luke Wright

“We’ve always been oppressed

HMMM wonder if there's a reason for that.

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

The pace is deliberate and is the intent of the filmmaker. Watch it as it's intended.
kek pic related is fake

Liam Wilson
Liam Wilson

45% of the top 1% wealthy of the world are Jewish
oppressed

Really makes you think..

also pretty funny that when Trump made that speech about the global elites, Jews automatically started making statements about it being anti semitic, even though Trump never mentioned or even implied anything to do with jews or Israel in that speech

Joseph Perez
Joseph Perez

I don't see any point in making up that story, there's nothing particularly exciting about dropping a class. I just didn't want to risk my grade on my understanding of one movie.

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

You do know what typhoid is.. right? Look at those bodies, those are all affected by typhoid. It was rampant through the camps. There have been no mass graves found, not even one, research for yourself.

Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

he believes in the typhoid meme

Matthew Young
Matthew Young

Research yourself, but you won't, because you're content with being stupid.

Gabriel Bailey
Gabriel Bailey

>>45% of the top 1% wealthy of the world are Jewish

Yeah that isn't true you lying shill.

Josiah Clark
Josiah Clark

holocaust denier calling anyone else stupid

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

calling somebody who is looking for facts stupid

You must be a climate change denier.

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

typhoid
More died of starvation than typhoid. But hey, Jewish lies and conspiracy and stuff, right?

Luis Gutierrez
Luis Gutierrez

the burden is on YOU to disprove my crackpot conspiracy theories

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

looking for facts

You're looking for validation of your severe brainwashing, not facts.

Kayden Thomas
Kayden Thomas

Where's your proof of this dumb fuck

Matthew Brooks
Matthew Brooks

The holocaust is a conspiracy theory, there is no facts to accompany the theory. Only contradicting testimonials from people who received tons of monetary compensation for their story, and pictures of people with typhoid. Not a single "mass grave" has been found, despite claims of their being hundreds of them. Don't kid yourself.

James Allen
James Allen

More died of starvation than typhoid
Yes, and? Please tell me where you are going with this, because it has nothing to do with what I said. That picture is clearly representing bodies affected with typhoid.

Lincoln Cox
Lincoln Cox

sure is films and television

Eli Kelly
Eli Kelly

Link to her review?

Isaiah Gutierrez
Isaiah Gutierrez

Nazi's didn't round up and execute 100,000s of Russians either

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

accepts climate change
denies holocaust
... interesting combo

Thomas Murphy
Thomas Murphy

Nazis are weird like that. Hitler was a vegetarian (or at least sympathetic to the idea) but had no problem slaughtering millions of people.

Jose Garcia
Jose Garcia

clearly representing bodies with typhoid
It's not clear to me. Care to edify me, Dr.? And what about the countless other photographs and films that provide ample evidence of starving people, both living and dead?

Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

Assuming you're the same person, notice how you keep bringing up a talking point, I address it, and you move back a step and fall back on the next point lined up in the official "Talking Points For The Goyim" By Barry Goldenbergstein? It's not just because you're uninformed, there are no ways to logically substantiate a belief in the holocaust. The entire conspiracy is only allowed to be pushed because anybody asking for facts surrounding it is persecuted socially.

Nicholas Fisher
Nicholas Fisher

asking for more bait
Are you stupid or something?

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

everyone must be a autist like me who follows debate rules while rigorously proving an argument on an anonymous capeshit board
topkek friendo

Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

I wish /pol/acks would stay on their own board.

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

You're not making an argument that I disagree with here, what do you want me to say? The conditions in the work camps were not good, there was disease and periods of starvation, it didn't help that the allies continuously bombed transportation routes which brought food and supplies into the camp, claiming later that it was to stop the systematic murder of the jews, which of course, there is no evidence of.

Brayden King
Brayden King

It shoah is good

Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

You Shoah are a terrible person.

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

the bombing of transportation routes were the cause of hundreds of thousands of Jews dying of starvation
Interesting, the SS were doing very well for themselves... THRIVING even. And good luck proving that privation on that massive scale was simply due to inaccessible routes.

there is no evidence of
This is what you choose to believe, because you're an anti-semite who cherrypicks -- it's really that simple. And I'll reiterate: No Nazi ever denied the Holocaust.

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

in the book "Hooked"

https://www.amazon.com/Hooked-Pauline-Kael/dp/0525484299

those quotes were just cited in some article disagreeing with her

Benjamin Walker
Benjamin Walker

No Nazi ever denied the Holocaust.
This is just blatantly false. Show me your source, I guarantee it stems from no nazi LEADERS claiming innocence because of the bad conditions of the camps they could have been responsible for.

Hunter Taylor
Hunter Taylor

I didn't know Criterion started doing the fantasy genre.

Eli Rogers
Eli Rogers

Is holocaust denial a meme?

Dylan Clark
Dylan Clark

the leading nazis supported a wacky pseudo-scientific theory about the universe being made from ice, and all natural phenomena being derived from this ice universe freezing and unfreezing. it came to some austrian kook in a dream and hitler was into it.

Grayson Lewis
Grayson Lewis

show me your source
Oh, I see, you suddenly need sources whenever someone makes a claim that doesn't coincide with your narrative.

hundreds of thousands died of starvation because of inaccessible routes
No source
the bodies in the photo all died of typhoid
No source
locals only admitted their knowledge of the genocide because they feared persecution
No source. No evidence. Pure speculation, but hey, it's OK if it refutes those scheming kykes.

I made a claim. Now go ahead and find me the records of Nazis that denied the Holocaust. It works both ways.

Nathan Flores
Nathan Flores

So in other words.. you made it up.

Cameron Hall
Cameron Hall

of course. the specific type of denial happening itt (david irving-style) is pretty much an internet-only phenomenon as david irving managed to become ostracized both by legit historians AND by serious neonazis, but still has internet fanboys that post his shit everywhere.

Cooper Barnes
Cooper Barnes

come novembe 9 i expect some of them to blow their heads in shame

James Flores
James Flores

A lot of German citizens were homeless and starving due to strategic bombings near the end of the war, too.

Homelessness became rampant.

Camden Diaz
Camden Diaz

There are literally journal entries from German soldiers detailing their remorse for participating in the genocide. And no, I didn't make it up, however, I should have specified *on record*.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

X number of nazis did Y so that means the rest of Z nazis also did Y.

Nigga

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

This is true, but the vast majority did not end up like the emaciated bodies tossed into massive trenches.

Andrew Cruz
Andrew Cruz

If you're struggling to feed your own people, what chance in hell are slave labor and pows going to have?

Jacob Morgan
Jacob Morgan

I was like you until I watched Greed, Fanny and Alexander and Hiroshima mon amour. And watching one film a day became a mandatory. I don't speed up capeshit you know.

Owen Ross
Owen Ross

You're misrepresenting my position, nigga.

Robert Bailey
Robert Bailey

1.5 then.

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

there are also ss reports where they complain about common soldiers talking about genocide to their families when on leave, so not only was the genocide happening, knowledge of it was incredibly common.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

knowledge of it was incredibly common

Sauce? As far as I am aware, they tried to keep as mum as possible on the matter, in writing and otherwise.

Evan Turner
Evan Turner

MUH SIX GORILLION

Wyatt Bailey
Wyatt Bailey

he has called out soros twice

James Butler
James Butler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

Totally fake, that guy isn't circumcised so he can't be Jewish

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

Ah, thankfully, they only died of typhoid after being forcefully yanked from the lives they had, their possessions confiscated, and their basic rights as citizens and humans trampled on.
Truly, those Nazis weren't so bad at all!

Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith

it's a /pol/ bait thread

Adrian Thomas
Adrian Thomas

whenever a holocaust movies gets discussed here it ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS fucking ends up as a holocaust denial thread.

what the fuck is wrong with you /pol/tards? a massive genocide documented with thousands of witnesses and you still deny this heinous crime since its doesn't fit your narrative of muh perfect germany and my hitler

FACT: NAZIS ARE FUCKING MONSTERS

deal with it. you can't change history retard

Luis Nguyen
Luis Nguyen

Another pol delusion thread about good film

Owen Moore
Owen Moore

missing a few more zeros

Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

I'm simply acknowledging the fact that hundreds of thousands died of starvation, largely because they were considered subhuman and unworthy of care. And calling them slaves and POW's doesn't exactly help your case.

Sure, not all of the Jews died in open-air shootings and gas chambers. No Jew would disagree.

James Bell
James Bell

NAZIS
Not every national socialist german person was aware or even part of the holocaust

whats the source for your lovely webm

Sebastian Baker
Sebastian Baker

what were japanese interment camps

Only difference was that America wasn't struggling to feed its people at the time

Oliver Bennett
Oliver Bennett

Not all nazis

Cameron Watson
Cameron Watson

read post again IN THAT SPEECH

Juan Rogers
Juan Rogers

good

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

Generation War

Alexander Smith
Alexander Smith

Shoah's good, but what would a giga plebeian know about it

Nolan Hughes
Nolan Hughes

Hehehehhheee it was all (((the Jews))) amirite?

David Scott
David Scott

Nothing special about it. It just another shoah

Caleb Murphy
Caleb Murphy

My grandmother used to live above a Jewish family during the war. One day, she came home, and the family had collectively committed suicide out of fear for the camps. Ironically, they did this by gassing themselves by cutting the hose for their gas furnace. This was in 1942 I believe.
The camps officially didn't exist, but rumours of their existence became pretty widespread at some point, especially in the occupied countries.

Cooper Martin
Cooper Martin

they certainly tried to, but the scale of it was too vast to conceal. the sheer number of people involved makes secrecy impossible. the ss alone had a over million members.

according to evans, "third reich at war":
The Security Service of the SS reported in March 1942 that soldiers returning from Poland were talking openly about how the Jews were being killed there in large numbers. The Nazi Party Chancellery complained on 9 October 1942 that ‘discussions’ about ‘ “very harsh measures” against the Jews, particularly in the Eastern Territories’ were ‘being spread by men on leave from the various units deployed in the east, who have themselves had the opportunity to observe such measures’.

the sources he gives for the reports are, respecitvely:

Otto Dov Kulka and Eberhard J̈ckel (eds.), Die Juden in den Geheimen NS-STIMMUNGSBERICHTEN 1933-1945 (D̈sseldorf, 2004), 489 (NSDAP Meinberg, March 1942).
Peter Longerich, ‘Davon haben wir nichts gewusst!’ Die Deutschen und die Judenverfolgung 1933-1945 (Munich, 2006), 253-4.

also the contemporary diary of victor klemperer:

On 16 March 1942 his diary mentioned for the first time ‘Auschwitz (or something like it), near Königshütte in Upper Silesia, mentioned as the most dreadful concentration camp’. By October 1942 he was referring to it as a ‘swift-working slaughterhouse’. ‘The will to extermination is growing all the time,’ he noted at the end of August 1942. The mass murders in Auschwitz and elsewhere had, he noted, ‘now been reported too frequently, and by too many consistent Aryan sources, for it to be a legend’.

this is a borderline homeless german jew that has no inside info whatsoever so common people knew about auschwitz for sure

Julian Bell
Julian Bell

And what "case" is it that I'm making?

I was only interjecting to point out that a thriving SS is irrelevant when the citizenry itself is suffering food shortages. And ergo, those in camps suffering worst is no surprise all things considered.

Justin Martinez
Justin Martinez

IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND

Aaron Cook
Aaron Cook

>>75499108
And the Japs were interned because the US was at war with Japan, not because the US wanted to eradicate the Japanese from existence. The Japanese internment camps were afwul, but on an entirely different level.

Gavin Robinson
Gavin Robinson

Not a sauce.

Thanks, m8.

Dylan Cox
Dylan Cox

....and my father works for nintendo

Cooper Wilson
Cooper Wilson

Nobody believes this story user

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

True it's not proof, but something to consider nonetheless. People like and don't quite understand the impact WWII had on people, and why people react so emotionally when topics like the Holocaust are brought up. That suicide sure influenced my grandmother for the rest of her life, and by extent, my mother and my aunts as well.

Angel Wood
Angel Wood

I just wanted to interject to point out a relatively trivial detail
If you're not a Holocaust deniar, perhaps it's best you just stay the fuck out of it. But if you're chalking up all (or even most) of the deaths to simple privation, I think I understand where you're coming from.

Michael Cooper
Michael Cooper

It wasn't trivial. You said the SS was thriving as if to prove starvation was deliberate, whereas I was stating that resources being strained in general from bombings, were then especially limited, if not nonexistent to those in camps (or as you say, privation) leading to starvation to the extent as seen in that picture.

No need to start acting cunty about it.

Jason Moore
Jason Moore

Do you realize where you are? Don't waste your breath.

Landon Sanders
Landon Sanders

1. They were not POW's
2. Yes, they WERE slaves
3. They were held against their will and stripped of any freedom to attempt to improve their conditions
4. More than ample evidence that they were treated as subhuman filth

So yes, I'd say commenting on the fact that not all of them were FORCED to starve is pretty fucking trivial.

Josiah Wood
Josiah Wood

those who deny something that is drilled into their heads from a very young age are brainwashed

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

Strawman. None of these points have anything to do with a deliberate action to starve those in camps en masse, which is the basis of our discussion, and exactly what you were alluding to early.

But hey, I'll let you have it. You seem really emotional about this.

Logan Brown
Logan Brown

yes, the promise of stepping out of the world of malicious illusion and into a transcendent truth is a very common brainwashing technique used by scams and cults, among others.

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

This is absolutely not the entire basis of my argument, but then again, you interjected... so I'll let it slide.

Christian Gutierrez
Christian Gutierrez

Uh huh, so tell me have you questioned your belief and done research on it?
Mind you I'm not a denier, but it's a fact that most non-deniers just believe because they were told to.

Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

Greatest fantasy film ever made.

Zachary Reyes
Zachary Reyes

Ok, but they're just a label and a lot if trash slips through. Also, I worked for my Nomura movies when I was a kid, now they j7st hand em out.

Dominic Brooks
Dominic Brooks

b-b-but the germans dindu nuffin!
honorable!!!!

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