Thoughts on criterion?
Thoughts on criterion?
Does it have 600000000000 dead?
It has footage of locals saying "yeah, we knew, and so what?".
There's also an 'interview' with a former officer who doesn't know how to react when somebody asks him about work camps, so he just stops serving beers and starts chain smoking.
He probably knew that he would be arrested if he went on record telling the truth (that it was just labour camps and there were no gas chambers)
An interesting experience to sit and watch in one or a couple of sittings. Has a lot of critics. Lots of perspective onto the victims lived experiences. Too much time wasted listening to the translator.
In freshman year, it was required viewing and our entire semester was going to be based on writing papers about it. I dropped the class immediately.
"History of WWII" my ass, if it was going to be a class entirely about the Holocaust somebody should have put that in the course description.
things that never happened
What are some other TREBLINKA-core kinos?
I'm planning to watch it soon, what would you consider to be optimal speed? 1.25 or 1.5 or 2? I usually watch slow films at 1.33.
I thought that was the theme of this thread
Speeding movies up? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Reminder: literally no Nazi ever denied the holocaust, but to rather the extent of their participation.
labour camps and no gas chambers
the thousands who corroborate this are just conspiring
And did you forget about the open-air shootings, or is that all fake too?
I found “Shoah” logy and exhausting right from the start, and when it had been going on for an hour or longer I was squirming restlessly, my attention slackening
The heart of his obsession appears to be to show you that the Gentiles will do it to the Jews again if they get a chance.
“Shoah” is a long moan. It’s saying, “We’ve always been oppressed, and we’ll be oppressed again.”
- Based Pauline Kael
“We’ve always been oppressed
HMMM wonder if there's a reason for that.
The pace is deliberate and is the intent of the filmmaker. Watch it as it's intended.
kek pic related is fake
45% of the top 1% wealthy of the world are Jewish
Really makes you think..
also pretty funny that when Trump made that speech about the global elites, Jews automatically started making statements about it being anti semitic, even though Trump never mentioned or even implied anything to do with jews or Israel in that speech
I don't see any point in making up that story, there's nothing particularly exciting about dropping a class. I just didn't want to risk my grade on my understanding of one movie.
You do know what typhoid is.. right? Look at those bodies, those are all affected by typhoid. It was rampant through the camps. There have been no mass graves found, not even one, research for yourself.
he believes in the typhoid meme
Research yourself, but you won't, because you're content with being stupid.
% of the top 1% wealthy of the world are Jewish
Yeah that isn't true you lying shill.
holocaust denier calling anyone else stupid
calling somebody who is looking for facts stupid
You must be a climate change denier.
More died of starvation than typhoid. But hey, Jewish lies and conspiracy and stuff, right?
the burden is on YOU to disprove my crackpot conspiracy theories
looking for facts
You're looking for validation of your severe brainwashing, not facts.
Where's your proof of this dumb fuck
The holocaust is a conspiracy theory, there is no facts to accompany the theory. Only contradicting testimonials from people who received tons of monetary compensation for their story, and pictures of people with typhoid. Not a single "mass grave" has been found, despite claims of their being hundreds of them. Don't kid yourself.
More died of starvation than typhoid
Yes, and? Please tell me where you are going with this, because it has nothing to do with what I said. That picture is clearly representing bodies affected with typhoid.
sure is films and television
Link to her review?
Nazi's didn't round up and execute 100,000s of Russians either
accepts climate change
... interesting combo
Nazis are weird like that. Hitler was a vegetarian (or at least sympathetic to the idea) but had no problem slaughtering millions of people.
clearly representing bodies with typhoid
It's not clear to me. Care to edify me, Dr.? And what about the countless other photographs and films that provide ample evidence of starving people, both living and dead?
Assuming you're the same person, notice how you keep bringing up a talking point, I address it, and you move back a step and fall back on the next point lined up in the official "Talking Points For The Goyim" By Barry Goldenbergstein? It's not just because you're uninformed, there are no ways to logically substantiate a belief in the holocaust. The entire conspiracy is only allowed to be pushed because anybody asking for facts surrounding it is persecuted socially.
asking for more bait
Are you stupid or something?
everyone must be a autist like me who follows debate rules while rigorously proving an argument on an anonymous capeshit board
I wish /pol/acks would stay on their own board.
You're not making an argument that I disagree with here, what do you want me to say? The conditions in the work camps were not good, there was disease and periods of starvation, it didn't help that the allies continuously bombed transportation routes which brought food and supplies into the camp, claiming later that it was to stop the systematic murder of the jews, which of course, there is no evidence of.
It shoah is good
You Shoah are a terrible person.
the bombing of transportation routes were the cause of hundreds of thousands of Jews dying of starvation
Interesting, the SS were doing very well for themselves... THRIVING even. And good luck proving that privation on that massive scale was simply due to inaccessible routes.
there is no evidence of
This is what you choose to believe, because you're an anti-semite who cherrypicks -- it's really that simple. And I'll reiterate: No Nazi ever denied the Holocaust.
in the book "Hooked"
those quotes were just cited in some article disagreeing with her
No Nazi ever denied the Holocaust.
This is just blatantly false. Show me your source, I guarantee it stems from no nazi LEADERS claiming innocence because of the bad conditions of the camps they could have been responsible for.
I didn't know Criterion started doing the fantasy genre.
Is holocaust denial a meme?
the leading nazis supported a wacky pseudo-scientific theory about the universe being made from ice, and all natural phenomena being derived from this ice universe freezing and unfreezing. it came to some austrian kook in a dream and hitler was into it.
show me your source
Oh, I see, you suddenly need sources whenever someone makes a claim that doesn't coincide with your narrative.
hundreds of thousands died of starvation because of inaccessible routes
the bodies in the photo all died of typhoid
locals only admitted their knowledge of the genocide because they feared persecution
No source. No evidence. Pure speculation, but hey, it's OK if it refutes those scheming kykes.
I made a claim. Now go ahead and find me the records of Nazis that denied the Holocaust. It works both ways.
So in other words.. you made it up.
of course. the specific type of denial happening itt (david irving-style) is pretty much an internet-only phenomenon as david irving managed to become ostracized both by legit historians AND by serious neonazis, but still has internet fanboys that post his shit everywhere.
come novembe 9 i expect some of them to blow their heads in shame
A lot of German citizens were homeless and starving due to strategic bombings near the end of the war, too.
Homelessness became rampant.
There are literally journal entries from German soldiers detailing their remorse for participating in the genocide. And no, I didn't make it up, however, I should have specified *on record*.
X number of nazis did Y so that means the rest of Z nazis also did Y.
This is true, but the vast majority did not end up like the emaciated bodies tossed into massive trenches.
If you're struggling to feed your own people, what chance in hell are slave labor and pows going to have?
I was like you until I watched Greed, Fanny and Alexander and Hiroshima mon amour. And watching one film a day became a mandatory. I don't speed up capeshit you know.
You're misrepresenting my position, nigga.
there are also ss reports where they complain about common soldiers talking about genocide to their families when on leave, so not only was the genocide happening, knowledge of it was incredibly common.
knowledge of it was incredibly common
Sauce? As far as I am aware, they tried to keep as mum as possible on the matter, in writing and otherwise.
MUH SIX GORILLION
he has called out soros twice
Totally fake, that guy isn't circumcised so he can't be Jewish
Ah, thankfully, they only died of typhoid after being forcefully yanked from the lives they had, their possessions confiscated, and their basic rights as citizens and humans trampled on.
Truly, those Nazis weren't so bad at all!
it's a /pol/ bait thread
whenever a holocaust movies gets discussed here it ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS fucking ends up as a holocaust denial thread.
what the fuck is wrong with you /pol/tards? a massive genocide documented with thousands of witnesses and you still deny this heinous crime since its doesn't fit your narrative of muh perfect germany and my hitler
FACT: NAZIS ARE FUCKING MONSTERS
deal with it. you can't change history retard
Another pol delusion thread about good film
missing a few more zeros
I'm simply acknowledging the fact that hundreds of thousands died of starvation, largely because they were considered subhuman and unworthy of care. And calling them slaves and POW's doesn't exactly help your case.
Sure, not all of the Jews died in open-air shootings and gas chambers. No Jew would disagree.
Not every national socialist german person was aware or even part of the holocaust
whats the source for your lovely webm
what were japanese interment camps
Only difference was that America wasn't struggling to feed its people at the time
Not all nazis
read post again IN THAT SPEECH
Shoah's good, but what would a giga plebeian know about it
Hehehehhheee it was all (((the Jews))) amirite?
Nothing special about it. It just another shoah
My grandmother used to live above a Jewish family during the war. One day, she came home, and the family had collectively committed suicide out of fear for the camps. Ironically, they did this by gassing themselves by cutting the hose for their gas furnace. This was in 1942 I believe.
The camps officially didn't exist, but rumours of their existence became pretty widespread at some point, especially in the occupied countries.
they certainly tried to, but the scale of it was too vast to conceal. the sheer number of people involved makes secrecy impossible. the ss alone had a over million members.
according to evans, "third reich at war":
The Security Service of the SS reported in March 1942 that soldiers returning from Poland were talking openly about how the Jews were being killed there in large numbers. The Nazi Party Chancellery complained on 9 October 1942 that ‘discussions’ about ‘ “very harsh measures” against the Jews, particularly in the Eastern Territories’ were ‘being spread by men on leave from the various units deployed in the east, who have themselves had the opportunity to observe such measures’.
the sources he gives for the reports are, respecitvely:
Otto Dov Kulka and Eberhard J̈ckel (eds.), Die Juden in den Geheimen NS-STIMMUNGSBERICHTEN 1933-1945 (D̈sseldorf, 2004), 489 (NSDAP Meinberg, March 1942).
Peter Longerich, ‘Davon haben wir nichts gewusst!’ Die Deutschen und die Judenverfolgung 1933-1945 (Munich, 2006), 253-4.
also the contemporary diary of victor klemperer:
On 16 March 1942 his diary mentioned for the first time ‘Auschwitz (or something like it), near Königshütte in Upper Silesia, mentioned as the most dreadful concentration camp’. By October 1942 he was referring to it as a ‘swift-working slaughterhouse’. ‘The will to extermination is growing all the time,’ he noted at the end of August 1942. The mass murders in Auschwitz and elsewhere had, he noted, ‘now been reported too frequently, and by too many consistent Aryan sources, for it to be a legend’.
this is a borderline homeless german jew that has no inside info whatsoever so common people knew about auschwitz for sure
And what "case" is it that I'm making?
I was only interjecting to point out that a thriving SS is irrelevant when the citizenry itself is suffering food shortages. And ergo, those in camps suffering worst is no surprise all things considered.
IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND
And the Japs were interned because the US was at war with Japan, not because the US wanted to eradicate the Japanese from existence. The Japanese internment camps were afwul, but on an entirely different level.
Not a sauce.
....and my father works for nintendo
Nobody believes this story user
True it's not proof, but something to consider nonetheless. People like and don't quite understand the impact WWII had on people, and why people react so emotionally when topics like the Holocaust are brought up. That suicide sure influenced my grandmother for the rest of her life, and by extent, my mother and my aunts as well.
I just wanted to interject to point out a relatively trivial detail
If you're not a Holocaust deniar, perhaps it's best you just stay the fuck out of it. But if you're chalking up all (or even most) of the deaths to simple privation, I think I understand where you're coming from.
It wasn't trivial. You said the SS was thriving as if to prove starvation was deliberate, whereas I was stating that resources being strained in general from bombings, were then especially limited, if not nonexistent to those in camps (or as you say, privation) leading to starvation to the extent as seen in that picture.
No need to start acting cunty about it.
Do you realize where you are? Don't waste your breath.
1. They were not POW's
2. Yes, they WERE slaves
3. They were held against their will and stripped of any freedom to attempt to improve their conditions
4. More than ample evidence that they were treated as subhuman filth
So yes, I'd say commenting on the fact that not all of them were FORCED to starve is pretty fucking trivial.
those who deny something that is drilled into their heads from a very young age are brainwashed
Strawman. None of these points have anything to do with a deliberate action to starve those in camps en masse, which is the basis of our discussion, and exactly what you were alluding to early.
But hey, I'll let you have it. You seem really emotional about this.
yes, the promise of stepping out of the world of malicious illusion and into a transcendent truth is a very common brainwashing technique used by scams and cults, among others.
This is absolutely not the entire basis of my argument, but then again, you interjected... so I'll let it slide.
Uh huh, so tell me have you questioned your belief and done research on it?
Mind you I'm not a denier, but it's a fact that most non-deniers just believe because they were told to.
Greatest fantasy film ever made.
Ok, but they're just a label and a lot if trash slips through. Also, I worked for my Nomura movies when I was a kid, now they j7st hand em out.
b-b-but the germans dindu nuffin!