Shaft

>tfw love both SHAFT and KyoAni shows

KyoAni atm is at top form, likely better than ever and all they need is to get some good material to adapt.

Shaft atm is roting and decaying, and needs to die and start anew. All the talented people left, style of direction and visuals is outdated and people fed up with it. Even best material cant save Shaft since Shaft will find way to fuck it up and underperform.

>no szs season 4
>the seven year laugh is now being post-dated

Shinbo, Oishi, and Takeuchi need to leave and form their own studio.
Prove me wrong.

Studiowarriors still at it.

Go back to roots and make a show together with Gainax

Who need Shaft nowadays?

Trigger and Mappa are new hots. Whitefox failed to become anything but JC Staff 0.5.

Plus theres always Ufotable and GoHands

0/10

isn't Shaft basically their studio though

>Mappa
>resorting to idol anime
>founder left to form another studio
And let's not get into the fact that ufotable is basically fucked with production schedules forever

>idol
>bad

Join Oonuma at Silver Link.

Not sure if the based White Godfox meme is real or not, but why not make another literally-who studio come out of nowhere?

Plus they have a good start with NNB.

>idolshit
>watchable

>>/jp/

What the hell happened to Prism Nana?

pachinko

screen privately

SS is hot garbage and looks like a fucking rehash.

>SS
>better directing than Bake

Not happening with enthusiasm for Madoka fading fast. Or maybe they're scared of YYY-esque critcism.

Shaft is a loser studio and will be rebranded as A-2 before long

ITT: Studios you wish to see go bankrupt.

It sucks to know that after waiting so long for the Madoka finale it is likely going to suck.

Studio pierrot.

shaft
toei

Sunrise. Its crash will spawn dozen new studios.

there was a huge drought of original shows between koufuku graffiti and lion, with only kizu keeping the old shaft alive

>Wanting companies to go under with dozens of people losing their jobs just because they create something you don't like

edgy

I think the sad part about Shaft is that I consider anything that isnt more fucking bakemono original at this point, even if its just a manga adaptation.

I mean enough is enough at this point, the BD sales have dropped from their original 80k to nearly 30k ffs

The monogatari is going to continue being milked until sales stop be profitiable. The reason why the monogatari series even existed for so long is because of the anime. Nisio could of had stop at any point, but apparently was impressed by the effort put into the anime and was inspire to keep writing more which leads to the constant milking we keep getting of this franchise.

fuck nisio
risuka deserves an adaptation

>all this Shaft hate
I mean, whatever. It's just the cycle of hating whatever is popular as usual. But to be honest I still like what they do. Don't really see a problem.

Intro to Kizu part one is AOTY so far, March Lion is the most promising new show next season. I dunno, they're doing okay but maybe only comparatively to how poor the rest of the year's going.

0/10

ITT: Yuno

Hi Yuno!

100% sincere and non-bait opinion. I pour my heart out to you and this is what I get? I'm hurt user.

>popular
>everything flops
That's not how it works.

30k is still spectacular sales-wise, it's just not mega-hit 80k.

>flops
Haven't looked recently but from what I saw, yes the sales are declining but they are still more than what most series in that current season make.

Everything not named Monogatari since 2011 has flopped. Everything. And nowadays even the Monogatari movies are flopping hard with tickets and BDs underperforming.

Rebellion did fucking great

It's still sells well for something that been dwindling in popularity as more time goes by. I doubt other series would of had last this long of a milking that Monogatari has been through. The movies definitely could of done better when it was still at it's prime, but those days are over. I'm just glad the movies even exist since I thought they've been cancelled after hearing nothing about it for so long.

I thought we were talking about TV shows. But yeah Madoka sold really fuckig well.

I was talking about the numbers of everything else. Shaft is trash when it comes to selling anything not named MadoGatari.

Yeah that's true. Hopefully they able to adapt good works in the future so they can get out of that rut.

Hidamari Sketch is Shaft's best work

>Everything not named Monogatari since 2011 has flopped

Since 2012 onwards and ignoring Madoka

Notflop:
>Nisekoi S1 and S2 6k-4k
>Mekaku actors - 7k (underperfomed considering series popularitybut 7k is still enough to make a significant net profit)
>HidaSketch Honeycomb - 7k

Flop:
>KoGraffiti - 1.5k
>Salami - 1.5k

Ironically the flops were the only decent Shaft shows made since 2011

Why are their obscure shows so much more enjoyable than the more mainstream ones? I think Hidamari is the only one I've truly enjoyed out of the most notable big ones but I find their lesser known work better.

Madoka and Monogatari are easily their best work.

>Denpa Onna
>Maria
>Nisekoi
>Kagerou Daze
>not flops
Shaftdrones are as unhinged as always.

kyoanus fags blown out. FACT.

>shartfag damage controlling kizu's flop

Hey, I love Shaft, but if we're hating on them ITT, might as well throw in:
>Pig terrible CG
It physically hurt that they used so much CG in Kizu. Of the scenes it was used, only one or two looked halfway decent. The rest just makes the (actually decent) 2D parts look out of place and weird.

>Madoka

They've made more Nisekoi than Madoka by this point (unfortunately). Call them the Nisekoimonogatari studio. There's a lot of Nisekoi merch floating around out there too, btw.

Trips confirm

Madoka>>>>>>>>Monogatari

SZS>>>Madoka

Can we see some actual numbers on those shows? Kagerou wasn't a flop according to . I thought anons knew better than to take shitposters' words as-is.

Gokumi. Oh wait...

Will 2017 be the year of God Link?

Kagerou was a huge flop, first of all there was a massive advertising campaign like all Aniplex shows, and second the episodes sold for fucking 3k yen each, meaning that even the 7k sales they had were really 3k at best.

Doesn't that have to do with the fact they got the original author to storyboard the show instead of directing it themselves?

>idol
>not bad

Not after the garbage that was 3rei. Oonuma failed us.

Idolshit is the cancer of modern anime.

Take that carcinogen to kyoanus and keep it there.

>He defends Trash! Euphonium
>He defends Trash Live!
>He defends The iTR@SHTER

All terrible shows in the same vein of waifubait garbage. The producers of these terrible shows should take up producing hentai instead of an actual show, because softcore porn, shitty doujins, and tentacle rape are all these people want of their shitty copy paste idols. Why even bother wasting their time on the story?

oh wow look at this babby's first fucking stereotyped mainstream sell-out garbage autismal mediocre low-budget casual low-powerlevel ADHD hardsubs streamfag hyped spoon-fed otaku-pandering objectively bad aspie haremshit overrated DEEP deconstruction NTR cliche trope-filled generic ANGST mary sue underage escapist self-insert PLOT armor beta MC shonen edgy teenager gratuitous shock-value gore broken-powerlevels moeshit corporate product placement weeaboo kawaii uguu~ fetishist suspension of disbelief random asspulls garbage slutty waifu sakurafish Gainax bouncing fanservice NEET-pandering downs syndrome filler arcs beach onsen vapid 4kids dubbed censored episodes WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS cutout sameface 1-dimensional yaoi fujoshitbait characters shipperfag yuri tsundere fanwank braindead insulting and poorly written rushed and atrocious inconsistent convoluted vocaloid pedoshit last-place-on-sale-charts nolstagia googles grimDERP nico-nico 2ch otaku-pandering suffering porn ahegao face consumerist kiddy casual pretentious failed experimental anti-USA nanking-rape denying trainwreck watered-down plothole-ridden homoshit Evangelion wannabe hollywood rip-off unoriginal yandere RAPE RAPE RAPE lol so randum/b/ xD uninteresting anticlimactic DROPPED shallow haircut character development cancerous butchered DEEN QUALITY 8 frames per second mouthflapping powerpoint slideshow outsourced korean putrid soulless CG animation photoshop-filter backgrounds poorly done JC Staff adaptation hipster entry-level timeskip forced drama cop-out power of friendship deus ex machina predictable tearjerker TWEEST BONES original content shit ending with circlejerking delusional and easily trollable flavor of the month general threads imagedumps tripfaggotry sadpanda.jpg vlcsnap shitkaku 4:3 14 inches CRT Mac monitor arrogant retarded Guy Fawkes mask facebook protests cosplayer dubs-obsessed niwaka fanbase that's killing the niwaka industry -production

So this is the power of A-2?

ironic or not, someone thought it was worth their time to make this image and that's just depressing.

One of those shows does not fit.

Will SHAFT ever move on from their cookie cutter bake direction? It stopped being interesting a while ago

no, because it gets them money. I say give it another two seasons before they drop this awful formula. Dropped the show after season one when I realized every episode was the same garbage over and over, just reskinned with a different waifu

who the fuck directed that scene?

I want the entirety of Sodachi Fiasco like that.

>Join Oonuma at Silver Link.
No

Why not? NNB is the gold standard for SOL. Their future looks bright.

The golden standard for SoL is K-On my little newfriend.

What did it do that biyori didn't massively improve upon?

Did K-Off deal with the life and death cycle?

Didn't think so.

Last Shaft show that had actual Shinbo style and actual animation where they attempted to give a fuck was Vampire Bund. After gaining Monogatari S1 money, Shaft attempted to step up with this show and failed majorly - after that returning to no risk poor formula and only having breakthrough thanks to Madoka.

Still, nowhere past Vampire Bund you`ll see the kind of animation (also occasionally, as usual half episodes were poor as fuck) Shinbo actually strives to do since SoulTaker times. Even the new 3gatsu is just another pseudo-monogatari visual iteration.

youtube.com/watch?v=gpDUpmftuDE
youtube.com/watch?v=c7YkgIbZSZc

Shaft is dead. What we have now is merely a roting corpse.

>What did it do that biyori didn't massively improve upon?

K-On had better characters, animation, voice acting, theme songs.

NNB had marginally better backgrounds though.

Then Shino and co should come to God Link.

I noticed you didn't say plot or story though.

Because both NNB and K-On have barely any. SoLs are entirely character driven. The characters make the show, and guess which has the better ones? Hint, not NNB.

They gave quite a fuck about Madoka, pleb. For a look at what that show would've been like without Shinbos style or his friends in Inu Curry , go no further than the mediocrity of yucky tuna or daybreak illusion.

Depends. Sol != Sol

Sols can be melancholic, healing, gag comedy, even tragic. Entirely different things.

K-On has little in common with NNB as both have little in common with Yuruyuri and Azumanga or them with Mushishi or Planetez.

Best sols are gag sols and proper ranking is : 1) Ichigo Mashimaro 2) Minami-ke 3) everything else

>soultaker and vampire bund
animemaru doesn't need new writers.

And how exactly are the k-offs more developed and interesting than the biyoris?

It's official, the kyoanus coven has replaced madofags as the bane of Cred Forums.

Madoka is a lucky Aniplex mutant. It did infact, nothing new compared to the actual classic- Sailor Moon adaptation by Ikuhara (albeit its achievement to properly replicate it, which Toei in new version failed utterly).

youtube.com/watch?v=yLY6wx0WQsc

>These NNBfags thinking their shit show can even hold a candle to the literal epitome of SoL

Come back to me when it becomes as successful as K-On.

>Yoshinari bros
>Gen'ichirou Abe
>Ryo Imamura
>Hironori Tanaka
>don't compare

Get your eyes checked. This scene right here is more beautifully animated than anything in KnK. And the character animation in Kizu was even better than KyoAni's too.

sakuga.yshi.org/data/7b706f8ef96e1513b210f8f9a8a4b889.mp4

That was the only good scene, none of the character animation held a candle to KyoAni's though.

Sure thing pal. All the 2 minutes worth of sakuga in Kizu are sure amazing.

This is animated worse than comparable scenes from KnK and not the NEW KnK, but actual Kyoukai no Kanata

youtu.be/gnShef2bjYM?t=1m11s

>6 years hand drawn unlimited aniplex budget and outsourcing.

That damage control.

Nice cherrypicking which isn't even that bad because what is style? But I guess KyoAnus lickers wouldn't know since you all think animation should look more closely reflect film than be its own thing.
You can criticize the CG backgrounds all you want, but they're very stylish and work well for the movie.

Nice shilling your shitty AMV.

>denpa onna
it averages 6k per volume

koe no katachi
>3 months hand drawn
kizumonogatari
>3 years hand drawn

NNB had a little girl having to learn about the reality of death, and eventually learned through one of her friends that living beings have children that live on

K-off had a snooty bitch cry because her classmates were graduating early. Cry me a fucking river.

It's really fucking embarrassing that Shart spent so much time on Kizumonogatari and it looks like absolute garbage.

>Nice cherrypicking which isn't even that bad because what is style?
Gumball does this same style and better. There's no excuse for SHAFT. The 3D backgrounds could've definitely used more work, maybe another 6 years.

>KyoAnusfags are Cred Forumsmblr
Colour me surprised.

>kizumonogatari looks worse than a cartoon
bravo

I don't hate Shaft because they did SZS and Arakawa in the past but everything after Monogatari has been pretty shit, including Madoka

>Nice shilling your shitty AMV.
You are just envious that single scene of KyoAni anime has more and better animation than worth of Year of Shaft shows and "movies"

youtube.com/watch?v=VFaWHPO-CtU

sure but it'll take 3 years to color you, and another 3 to color your shadows

Except it doesn't?

If there's one thing Oishi really cares about it's his backgrounds and he clearly puts a shit ton of effort into them. Just because you have the eyes of a 5 year old and think a hastily put together cartoon drawn by Koreans somehow looks better than a well produced movie from Japan doesn't mean it's worse.

Not really. But you can go ahead and tell yourself that if it helps you get to sleep at night.

Black Mirai transformation was fucking amazing and unexpected from modern KyoAni, facial expressions and character animation, voice acting was on point in Mirai-hen, they even improved the action and effects.
I can't wait for Violet Evergarden. Ishidate is getting better.

>Oishi really cares about it's his backgrounds and he clearly puts a shit ton of effort into them.
It doesn't really show in Kizu. Most backgrounds look rushed.

Literally just your opinion.

is there any hope for studio shitposting?

Glad Yamada and Ishidate are improving but I'm still mad that Ishihara and Takemoto haven't done anything worth a damn in while

they need to promote someone else to series director

literally a fact

If Takeuchi were ever going to leave or do something relevant, he'd have done it ages ago. I think he's decided to spend the rest of his life working at SHAFT doing minor jobs and not exercising his actual talent.

For hundreds time, Ishihara does Hibike. Yamada too, but Ishihara does pretty much most storyboards and job since Yamada is slacking and working on KnK, so it is by all means "his" show.

Takemoto got anime for his fuckbuddy Gotoh, Amagi -and since FMP didnt went to KyoAni, was tasked with Free movie. I`d love to see Gotoh and Takemoto pair for something like Hyouka again, but doubt it since Gotoh should be busy with FMP anime.

lol ok

Unfortunately, studio-shitposting will continue and increase in intensity again because of KyoAni's latest success with A Silent Voice, which triggers Shaft-fags, and because both Shaft and KyoAni are having a drama anime airing in 11+ days.

3gatsu shitposting will be only in begining, for week or two - after that Shaft fanboys will drop it realizing its not the masterpiece they can defend, and threads should be fine for manga fags that can get over the fact that Shinbo slaugthers good source and few of those who remain watching it since like the story. And should be calm until first sales results.

Oonuma a shit. Also Shaft did Hidamari Sketch and they're gonna do Sangatsu next month.

3gatsu is also a very female centric show. I doubt the bulk of Cred Forums will even care enough to have constant threads about it, manga threads before the announcement were almost nonexistent, even for a monthly manga.

>not the masterpiece they can defend
It will be a masterpiece though since Shinbo is actually directing.

>Shinbo slaugthers good source
Where do you get this idea from? He's probably the best known director for working very closely with the creator of the source. Hell, he even let Jin do the screenplay for Mekaku which was way too much for him.

user, you don't understand. It could be a daytime kids' show and people would still shitpost abuot it, simply because it's a SHAFT show in the same season as a KyoAni show.

>Where do you get this idea from?
from everything shown so far looking worse than Honey and Clover which was years ago and is standard for Umino adaptation, instead theres typical steril monogatari light

>standard for Umino adaptation
how can it be a standard when it's literally the only other adaptation of her work

Not at all. Most objectively bad shows from SHAFT get no attention whatsoever past the first couple of episodes. See Mekaku, Vampire Bund, Graffiti, Sasami.

their best show was the cooking one. very comfy

I predict the first two stalker threads to be right after hibike and 3-gatsu.

don't you ever get bored of posting the same thing every day

Nah, been through years of studio wars shitposting and it mostly goes on BEFORE shows air. Denpa Onna, Sasami, Koufuku Graffiti, Maria Holic, even Nisekoi to a degree - theres always what you call "shaft fanboy" or maybe trolls pretending to be, that are desperately hyping stuff and seeking confrontation - often having no real clue of the source, as in this case, but once it turns different as expected they disappear and after that it becomes pretty calm for both sides.

>Sasami
>bad

Because its pretty much perfect? (visual, characters and mood wise at least. Story issues are different).

There are certain expectations, and to properly transit Umino`s manga, HnC pretty much hit the spot. Even purely from technical standpoint 3gatsu looks poorer than it in execution (though should wait for it to actually air, PVs dont show too much aside sad confirmation that Shaft cant do straight show and does indeed apply to it its typical gimmics).

...

It was good. However as adaptation it was worse than Kyouran Kazoku Nikki by same author. And it was fucking Studio Nomad that Shaft lost to.

>Because its pretty much perfect?
Oh, nice opinion

>shaft animation of key point of the show, Shogi, is worse than damn basketball fujoshit show

How much different it is from the source? I'm kinda curious now.

>Their future looks bright.
>back to adapting the most generic of generic harems as their next show

like that one guy in this thread praising Kizu?

Sasami and KKN are in the same universum. Both novel series are pure gag, but with a sinister serious occult side. KKN got fun focus of the novels better, while the Sasami felt less of a comedy, and more the usual Shaft gimmics for sake of it (and not for sake of being hillarious which was Authors intent) i.e. turned comedy into more of a episodic gatari.

Despite the comedy though, speciality of the author is that with his truly insane Excel saga like characters and humor, the actual happenings in the world are real - forces no matter how comedic they might appear do exist there, have real power and dark stuff happens in background and when story leads to it very real on surface.

Ancient gods, Kthulu (present in both series, also would have appeared in Sasami in S2), aliens, evil cults etc. Sasami focused (wrongly) more on a drama side becoming quite boring - forgetting the the key appeal of the author is the "edge" - balancing insane fun and sinister aspects.

KKN while appears as pure gag comery, is in fact - a story pretty much Baldurs Gate 2 about son of Baal destroying the world, a very real danger and main appeal is most stuff happening appearing in different light and no matter how crazy fitting and making sense.

...

Thanks for clarifying. Do you recommend the KKN anime? Unlike Sasami, it doesn't have an active translation project.

>tfw Hibike will outsell 3 gatsu and shaftfags will be mad as fuck

lmao

Cartoons have higher budget tho

>Koufuku Graffiti
>objectively bad

Pick one and only one.
I was the comfiest show of the season. Pure iyashikei goodness.

The taberu were excellent, the rest was not.

This. The kyocoven can even be blamed for love live. Honkwhore is an expy of Yui, Nico is Mugi, Russian cunt is Mugi, etc.

It was nothing spectacular, but it was comfy.

If you like cgdct, you shouldn't have much issue with it.

It wasn't great but Ryou was perfect wife material at least.

"Animation should more closely reflect film than be its own thing ".

I find myself agreeing more and more with John K. lately. If you never want to do things in animation that you can only do in animation, you might as well just film it in 3dpd.

Is that what the kyocultists mean when they say kyoanus films anime?

>thinking that sales matter for an NHK show
:^)

Almost as dumb as thinking it will be a success just because it airs on NHK

2ch projected 10k+

2ch projections are always off. I predict 3k and I'm almost always right.

What are the Japs saying/speculating about it?

The original author was in charge of the series composition, but selling one episode per disc was probably Aniplex's idea so the relatively young fanbase can just buy the episode about their favorite character. Didn't work out so well as you can see.

The main artist is directing the short movie and will be involved with the reboot anime in some way, so we'll see how that turns out.

funny enough is Umino herself hate HnC adaptation

>Cred Forums says Trigger, Shaft, and Kyoani are the worst studios
>they're actually the best studios

And she demanded Shaft, right?

>inb4 "tasteless hack bitch" and "antichristplex will ruin her if she says she hates it"

citation needed

The only good thing about this show was the preview song.
How sad is it.

>Cred Forums says studios all hate eachother
>Trigger employee has K-ON wallpaper

Jin only wrote the script, Yuki Yase was the director, who is pretty much a newbie. Mekakucity was the first series he directed. and he only really directed two episodes, the rest were either shaft guys or some random nobodies

Nakura's episode was great though

That's a cute Madoka near his hand also.

Have you seen Sushio's K-On! fan art?

>Trigger animators like everyone else's work but their own

Sasami wasn't bad.
It was plain terrible.

Honestly the movie isn't looking to great on the visual front either, excited for Sidu's storyboards though

Because Triggerniggers, unlike shaftards and kyoanusshitters, are bros.

Only Godani is anything close to good.

Shaft is a Deen-tier joke at this point, and Trigger is even more of a joke.

Trigger is good when they try to be like KyoAni.

Kiznaiver ep 7 resembled Takemoto's Chunibyo episode a lot.

Their fault for using a shitty manga to be adapted.

>yucky tuna
Oh wew lad.

The Shounen Hollywood character designer is what gets me the most.

Dude, I like the characters but Shaft managed to butch adaptation that added original filler or just changed it to the point even nips were mad.

How can Monogatarifags defend this? I laughed out loud.
Not only is the directing shit, it's pretentious and tryhard.

>Vampire Bund
>Soultaker
Those anime were embarassing and the proof you can't trust Shinbo with action shows.
If you're trying to make current Shaft looks good, then congratulations.

No way, shit, pretentious AND tryhard?

Yeah, outstanding, isn't it?

Well, it is pretty yucky.

No one remembers it now, and you'll need hypnosis to remember it after White Fox's new meguca show.

Too bad the story came out from Okada's vomit.

>buzzwords
It's not the pinnacle of direction by any means, but come on user, give a little substance to your argument outside of shitty (You) baiting.

You don't think it's trying really hard? You don't think it's trying to look profound when in fact there's zero substance to it?

I need a longer staff list, there has to be some talent here besides Sidu. The character designer and art director are literally nobodies. Maybe we might get some KA from abegen?

Then why it has generals, huh?

>White Fox's new Meguka
I hope you don't mean Raising Project because both have different focus.

he did one season of Hidamari Sketch though

Not him, but I don't think it's trying to look profound.

Kyoukai is proof you can't trust post-2012 kyoanus with grimderp. Evergarden is a Munto-tier disaster in the making.

I wouldn't say it's trying to look deep, but it's trying way too hard to look visually interesting.

Not with those dialogues user.

I fucking hate KnK too, so I don't get your point. I guess you're a studiowar kid.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matoi_the_Sacred_Slayer

Wasn't White Fox's mahou shoujo something called Matoi the sacred slayer?

Replying to "Shinbo can't be trusted with action".

Evergarden will be grimderp.

>He hasn't seen Mahoromatic

Such a shame.

Factually wrong on both, it's well known that SZS is their best work.

The one in charge of the story is not reliable at all post Gundam 00 S1 and that director is a literal who while the anime seems more about magical idols.

You're just making a bet without something to back it up.

And they hired Sphere for the songs.

>Mahoromatic

>SHAFT??

Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Hidamari Sketch is their best work.

Oh, ok.
Well, I agree. KyoAni can't do action shows. TSR is still their only valuable contribution which is crazy for a studio known for its consistent animation quality.

Despite being a co-prod, Mahoromatic is almost completely Gainax if you look at the staff.
And it shows.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the actual action itself in Munto and Kyoukai, the scenes with lots of effects animation were especially great to watch as their animators tend to draw effects very beautifully. They just need to draw from better source material the next time they do another action series.

Has Shinbo or anyone else at Shaft ever said anything good (or bad) about Kyoani or any other studio?

Likewise, has anyone at Kyoani ever said anything good or bad about Shaft (or any other studio)?

I think they'll do well after monogatari adoptions are finished, they've gained enough money to choose what they adapt at this point, and if they can make every episode of the monogatari series watchable despite the overly long and circling conversations in it, I feel they could make any show watchable.

Plus maybe they will continue zetsubou-sensei

Some of Shinbo's influence on Takemoto has shown up, but I don't know if they've ever explicitly said anything

>Plus maybe they will continue zetsubou-sensei
Keep dreaming

Munto is the only Kyoani show I haven't seen so I can't speak about it. But Kyoukai has problems because good animation isn't enough for good action scenes. It looked very pretty but had no impact whatsoever. You need good direction for this, that's why someone like Imaishi is able to trick people into thinking his shows look great with a bunch of stills.

And of course the show sucks because the story and characters are shit, but it's another problem.

Somehow they are adapting fate extra. I never gave a fuck about shaft, but I'm jumping on the hate train if they fuck up best fate game adaptation.

Is it something I've done?

Your love was too great and your luck too terrible. Everything you enjoy will crumble to dust. Unfortunately I like the same things as you. You have caused me great pain.

Kyoukai's action directing wasn't the best, but I didn't have any qualms with it. It worked fine.

As for Imaishi, I don't see anything special with his action directing either but he does have some approaches towards animation to provide impact. He's a follower of Yoshinori Kanada's animation so Imaishi places a lot of emphasis on energetic and exaggerated poses which goes well with snappy movements that don't require lots of drawings. He also has a penchant for rough drawings and shading, so that can be used to give stills impact. It's not the only 'right' approach towards creating impactful action, but it's a style that works.

No, there's just not much reason for it to happen

I went back and re-read some threads before madoka started and i was wrong: anti and pro shaft shitposting threds were totally the same 6 years ago and i'm a bit relieved: Cred Forums is not getting worse, it's always the same as ever

Munto was really fucking bad. It was like 100% exposition the show. They just keep talking about the Akuto over and over and it never stops. The animation was pretty damn good though during the few action scenes that do occur. The direction on the other hand was awful.

The Shaft arch-formalism developed throughout the Mongartari series and perhaps reaching its ultimate expression in Mekakucity Actors, represents an important facet of the studio. Then you have visually traditional works like Denpa onna to Seishun Otaku with nary a head-tilt, which demonstrate Shaft's skill with more conventional modes of storytelling.

>seto's pose

what is this child doing

You don't talk shit about industry colleagues in Japan even if they're rivals, at least not in public.

The Japanese save all their frustrations with each other for their javanese shadow puppet shows.

>their javanese shadow puppet shows.
>Shaft still loves Kyoani
???

>Kyoani can only produce free
>When try something else its koe no flop or phantom sales
>Talk shit about based shaft
Kyoanicucks i swear. All they can do is buzzword and meme around with "hur dur it was b team"

NNB nuked itself by opting for an interquel second season instead of a proper sequel. The magic of SoL shows I found good is the progression; things move forward (Gochuumon, K-ON!) instead of eternally opting for stagnant character dynamics. NNB's first season is fantastic but the second is meh.

Bait, bait has changed.

I like it.

Actually the speculation is skewed to SHAFT-fags' advantage since there's no way Hibike S2 will sell more than Hibike S1. Meanwhile 3gatsu's sales can't be predicted just yet.

Fuck you. Repeat was by far better than S1.

I'm still pretty sure that Sound! Euphonium S2 will outsell March Comes in like a Lion.

That will say nothing about how enjoyable a show is by itself though.

>it's yet another Shaft shitposting episode

Sayonara, Zetsubou-sensei.

Nisekoi S3 when

they'll never make season 4 though

I'm actually fucking terrified of shaft
their fucking polygons and inverted color schemes give me nightmares

Then don't watch this, this'll make you kill yourself.
youtube.com/watch?v=rhx-qWDMGyo

Have you seen Ef though
Flyhighmakeittothenewworldiseek: the Anime was one of the first shaft shows I seriously watched and I couldn't do it without pausing ever 30 seconds and taking a walk

It annoys me that the Monogatari series is what they're focused on but they have to complete or it'll be even worse.

I really hope 3gatsu is good, SHAFT can be good when they want to.

I'll confess I haven't, it's been on my backlog for years. Looking at it it doesn't seem that imposing straightaway though.

This. Kiznaiver proven they can produce quality works and not just imashit.

I always thought the simpler the better when it comes to anime fight scenes. Shit like KnK, Madoka Rebellion, or Fate have pretty fights with lots of colors and effects but the choreography and camera work is garbage most of the time. Compare it to shows like Cowboy Beebop, Samurai Champloo, Yozakura Quartet, FMA, or hell even Naruto sakuga fights. You can feel the weight in their punches and there isn't much after effects shit covering the screen.

>Their fault for using a shitty manga to be adapted.
Shinbo LOVES vampire thematic. SoulTaker, Moonphase, Negima (heh), Vampire Bund, Monogatari.

Totally expecting him to make another Vampire anime.

What the hell? VEG is melancholic/personal drama. There only "grimderp" parts about it could be characters reminiscence about the war.

It is "shaft" as in worst looking Gainax shows are Shaft co-production: mahoromantic and he is my master, and the quality drop compared to their normal works is very noticable (though mahoromantic is a good show on itself).

I'd watch Shinbo's Blood Alone.

Ef and Rec were the only shows in Shaft repertoire that standed out over the pile of generic shinbo crap, because they werent done by Shinbo but by actually talented people. They were exceptions though, since people making them left Shaft.

Oonuma is Silverlink, and Nakamura pretty much freelance working with anyone but Shaft.

Same.

Phantom world 12 was fantastic. Same with Miraihen. Evergarden isn't even grimdark anyway.

youtube.com/watch?v=MlPxDmG4VHE

I have not hear or read anything that stated she hated the adaptation. Only thing I know, she's a Shaftfag and actually befriended some of the staff, including Sugita and the rest of HnC casts.

Another season of MariaHolic or Zetsubou will save them.

>milking more shit
Fuck no. I want them to move past that.

Life is hard when you're a slave

Pretty much this

Bake was their last good work and that was 09.

Plus Harumi is now mute. She's a literal Silent Voice now.

;_;7

>only one god-tier scene
>in the first third of the movie

Shaft does the best female centered shows though, because they still come off as otaku centered show

show was very moving, especially the grandma part

vampire bund was awful but still had hot /ss/

There was so much Monogatari to go through and it was so profitable that they had no choice.

Oishi and his rip-off squad's style make the source material even worse than it is, and you don't even have to like the source material itself to see that. Takes sections of conversations that take around 5 minutes tops to read in a written format, copy-pasted them into an anime and stretches those conversations out over entire episodes. Pads said conversations out with scenery porn and wacky necktwists and you get Bakemonogatari, which everyone praises for it's visual direction for absolutely no good reason.

Not trying to hate on Shaft specifically here but almost any other major would've done a better job with the story barring the fantastic VAs they got hold of.

i like shaft

This, Kyoanus should have animated it because they're the best studio and we'd have more Shinka's and it would be like watching Musaigen again

So how badly are they gonna fuck it up?

Takemoto would do a better job at Monogatari.

>disliking the shaft shitposting episode
shit taste

they won't, but anti shaft fags will still try shitting on it

They already fucked up. Not even going to watch it for the laughs.

>hasn't even come out yet
>it's already shit
wew

necrobumps the thread?

>garbage director
>forced samey direction yet again
>looks like shit
into the trash

>forced meme
stop trying so hard

>the image that I have on Shaft is "student who isn't honour-student...". Including Shinbo, all staffs in Shaft aren't really a genius
>-Ume Aoki, Otona Anime 2011

>Fucking up my one of my favorite light novels

Thanks, Shart. Can't wait for more QUALITY and lazy storytelling.

>tfw can't tell the difference between kyoanus shows because all the characters look the same

tumblr filter - the studio

Shaft has never done a bad adaptation

>Osamu Tezuka Cultural Prize

>Koe no katachi (2011~ Kodansha Ltd. MarketingPrize/Takarajima Ltd.) Kyoani_2016
>scored 11, 2012
>[Voter:Nakano(Kodansya Ltd)5points, Minami(Takarajima Ltd.)4points]

>Silver Spoon (2011~) A-1 pictures_2013
>scored 24 (6+8+10), 2013/2014/2015

>March comes in like a lion (2007~) Shaft_2016
>scored 31 (9+11+11),2012/2013/2014

...

Shiaftshitters consider this good direction.

monogatari sucks
I dropped it after the first season of nisemono

Shaft's directors are really terrible and need their shit pushed in.

I have a feeling that SHAFT uses this style of consecutive fast shots and close ups to hide the fact that there's barely any character animation but to make it look more dynamic.

Sometimes I wonder if Cred Forums actually watches anime to enjoy or to shitpost about it later.

Anime discussions have become more generic than the battle harems we get every season.

I wish they would ditch Akio Watanabe designs already. I'm fucking sick of them.

Already? Guess you havent watched 95% of shaft anime.

They should be forced to watch Utena dozens of times to learn how to use quick cuts.

Utena is just a wannabe Shaft series.

I like shaft, instead of using 3d character models for background characters that completely ruin it, they just do things like image related

it's nice and it's solely focuses on the main characters

They need to pick up Nichijou.

But Monogatari is all they've been shitting out for the past few years.

>Mekakucity
Never happened.

So having a longer running series is bad now? Thats like saying sunrise only has gintama and gundam.

Fuck no.

That gimmick is at least better than having no background characters at all and making the mood unintentionally desolated like in most SHAFT shows. But I don't see why it would be better than having actual background characters.

The only people who whine about SHAFT's "directing" are the same types of fedora wearing faggots who unironically post in those spammy pseudointellectual "How much value do you put into visual direction?" threads.

And both are usually KyoAni fanboys. Hmmm.

This. Us Shaftfags are above KyoAni for not caring about silly things like competent storytelling.

>kyoani
>storytelling
Ya call me when they work with Key

>kyoanifags confusing pretty and flashy visuals for actual storytelling because "muh visual medium"

You lauded literally the worst thing that KyoAni does.

At what point did SHAFT get so shit at storytelling?

>kiznaiver
>not shit

When they accepted the shackles. Maybe they'll learn a thing or two if they escape to KyoAni school.

Only on Cred Forums is it bad to work with a larger company that employees you frequently. Never stop being plebs Cred Forums

this is why depth of field is useful

diversification of your business portfolio is absolutely key, what Shaft is doing is forgetting business 101 because if Aniplex ever decides to drop them, its fucking over for them

>NHK series
>SJW series
>Fate series

Yup modern shaft is not diverse what so ever because aniplex right?

Nisho fag here that thinks Shaft slaugthered the novels. Monogatari anime is ok anime, but bad adaptation.

As for studio that could adapt it best, BrainBase - at that time it was still alive and decent and best studio to adapt non pure otaku LNs.

>Kiznaiver proven they can produce quality works
Kiznaiver was fucking garbage.

It's the best thing they do.

Nisiofags here don't think that.

>Kyoani storytelling
>good
Yeah phantom world was really riveting.

One bad show doesn't negate their good character driven storytelling, if that was the case there would be no reason for anyone to be a SHAFT fan since they've made objectively more bad shows than KyoAni.

Koe no Katachi will probably AOTY 2016 for visual storytelling

Utena is made by actual Theatre fag. Proffessional that writes plays, involved in making musicles and stuff, well versed in all specifics and nuances of threatre estetics and storytelling.

Shinbo`s work on other hand are poorfag art studend kicked out of college trying to imitate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamishibai

>visual storytelling
In other words, another overrated anime with flashy backgrounds and one-note characters that have no depth whatsoever

>Shaftfags excuse everytime people point how shitty their shows look
>this is ARRRTTTISTIC EXPRESSION YOU PLEB!

Yeah, Shaft is pretty bad.

SHAFT anime usually have interesting characters and stories though. KyoAni only has pretty visuals.

>Luluco Imashitdrones
>still buthurt

Fuck off. Kiznaiver was garbage through and through. The only thing it had going for it was the pretty visuals but even then it stopped looking above average after the second episode.

This.
KyoAni can't even compete.

why are kyoani fags so defensive all the time. they ruin every shaft thread.

Please dont call anime only fags Nisio fags. The main strength of Nisio is his writing language, you know - all those RED and BLACK panels you skip in Shaft shows. Let alone not including many monologues, no focus on important scenes or slaugthering key scenes - like say Hanekawas life at her home.

Main issue is here not "direction style", but that it tries to adapt novels in form of watchable digest for 23 minutes TV episodes, which is wrong approach here. Katanagatari did lot better (and its mostly 40 minutes of talking, but its good adaptation, since talking is all what nisio is about).

In fact, best Nisio adaptation so far, ironically, is not anime but Okitegami Kyouko-san live action.

Name a few that arent Monogatari

Just give up. 3minutes 40$ per episode budget shows are the fate of Imashit now.

Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors, and Madoka all have complex characters and strong plots. KyoAngus has fucking nothing.

(you)

>comparing two completely diferent shows

Studio wars are dumb.

>Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors
This is bait, right?

You capitalize that Y and call him Mr. You.

>Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors
>strong plot
>complex characters
>Madoka
>complex characters
>even strong plot is arguable

Japan hated katanagatari. Try harder

I remember when 3-gatsu PV came out and some posters were impressed by how the background characters in this particular 1 second shot were moving, claiming how any other studio would've made them 3D or static. They probably have never watched a KyoAni show.

u.pomf.is/rwdhxl.webm

I used to dismiss KyoAni until Hyouka's school festival blew me away.

No you just fall for baits. Most normal anime fans like kyoani and shaft as well as the 10s of other studios out there. Look at how many IPs are in studio war threads. Its the same losers circle jerking trying to make console wars a thing in anime.

>no one has mentioned Arakawa under the Bridge...

The faded blurry image look, grey colors and bad lineart are killing me. Its an insult to Umino sensei.

I always found it funny that every shaftfag has watched every Kyoani show yet I've yet to watch half of Shafts shit

Too bad Umino sensei hated jc staff's adaption of her work and asked for Shinbo.

Nice meme.

In terms of Monogatari I just started watching Owarimonogatari.
Ougi Formula was literally one episode of almost 50 minutes. And on episode 2 there's a different OP already as if it was a different arc.
What the fuck am I doing wrong?

Interviews are now memes. Great Cred Forums showing its autism once again.

you should provide source of that claim lad

Sorry I assumed Cred Forums was knowledgeable. Guess anitwitter is leagues above Cred Forums.

Then leave to there. Why did you even grace us with your omniscient presence?

If you watch monogatari you should know there is one OP for each arc, and there are 4 arcs in owari season 1.

>Nisekoi, Mekakucity Actors

Even KyoAni does better fast cutting.

Shaft's fast cutting looks better, Kyoani's looks a bit awkward

>This looks better

Based Ishidate.

Even as a kyofag that cutting was pretty bad.

Yes, that's what I said

there is ONE Shaft show that leaves out background characters

It amazes me how deluded SHAFTshitters are sometimes. I shouldn't be surprised though since they even hail Mekaku Shitty Actors as a masterpiece.

You mean one show that leaves them out completely - Monogatari. In the rest they are static white silluetes if present, and when they actually bother to draw them like in 3gatsu - its a sloppy QUALITY mess.

>SHAFTshitters will never know the pleasure of having background waifus

A shame really

Wew. even Phantom World wasn't this poorly directed.

PW wasn't poorly directed at all, it had boring characters and a shit monster of the week plot. Everything else was average or slightly above average for a seasonal anime.

QUALITY background characters

>kyoani fags will defend this

>tiny unsexualizable ass

KyoAnus lickers will defend this.

QUALITY background characters frozen in time

Why are SHAFT comedic reactions always one frame wiggling for 1 or 2 seconds? It's not that hard to animate them.

It really was at least for a KyoAni show. Their direction involves creating a connection to the characters and Phantom World failed hard at it.

>shaft
>animation
Shaft style exist solely because they dont have money and schedule for any animation.

Yet they still make better shows than kyoani

...

at least try

>Their direction involves creating a connection to the characters and Phantom World failed hard at it.
You are just bad and trying too hard.

youtube.com/watch?v=jHVdGigU4vo
or the episodes with Fake family or Mushroom kingdom - PW did great job exploring characters and emotionally opening them to the viewer

Reina and Kurumi were hollow characters with no connection created before their stories so they just ended up looking pretty. Also Reina became a background decoration after her episode. 11 did good but at that point the show was basically over.

I'd like to see kyoani expirment with new things, it's always the same body, faces and instagram filter they use for every show

memes
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Phantom World and Kyoukai no kanata was them experimenting with new things. And well, you saw how that went.

Nisio himself seems to disagree. Same with 3gatsu's artist, inb4 conspiracy theories.

Yeah. And Jin loves the Kagerou Days adaptation. Nevermind that it looks worse than fan AMVs

Seems to be just PR.

violet evergarden looks interesting. at least it's not about a high schooler.

Miraihen was good

Did she drop the "so unpleasant" shtick? If not, then no it wasn't.

You sound like an autist.

I guess you could say Shaft shafted their own production

mirai was the autist with her forced catchphrase.

truly SHIT

and came all over it's viewers with it's great shows

>Shaft's 40+ year anniversary event is called Madogatari
>In 40 years and after 30+ shows they've only made two relevant anime with over 15k sales

What a sad studio.

Shaft are fucking garbage. Hidamari is fucking moeshit cancer.

>kyoani made 10 shows with 15k+ sales
What went right?

You SAD moeshit kyoani fanboys would shit on shaft regardless of what they made or its quality.

Nice false flag, Kyoanus shit eater.

Shart isn't going to make anything good again. It's pointless.

Shaft more like Shit amirite

3gatsu will sell well.

I predict 3-4k.

jesus christ this thread is still up since last night

can we just accept that both kyoani and shaft have their own faults and strengths and stop talking about "muh sales" or "muh objectivity"

literally forced animation

No, SHAFT is objectively garbage and KyoAni is objectively good.

People love their teams. They love them to an irrational, obsessive level.

I mean, Jin literally wrote the Kagerou Days adaptation, so I wouldn't be surprised if he liked it. I bet Yuki Yase likes it too.

Unfortunately.

thats why im dreading the 3gatsu and the Hibike threads, nothing but studio wars for the first half

>Proffessional
>musicles
>threatre estetics
>studend
At least Shinbo was kicked out of college and not middle school like you.

>first half
What's the meme show this coming season? Drifters?

Funny thing is, Yase actually is a fan of the series, and he put a lot of references to the PV's even if they had nothing to do with the character the episode was about

there was a Lost Time Memory reference in Momo's episode for some reason when they pretty much have nothing to do with each other

Hopefully Yase does better with zaregoto, since he's not bound by a tv schedule and production issues like mekakucity was

Maybe if they stopped making powerpoint presentations and actually made quality anime with god tier animation and character designs instead of "deep insightful philosophical" anime, maybe they'd finally match KyoAni.