Is Mikleo jealous of Alisha?

Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

Is Mikleo jealous of Alisha?

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Joseph Cox
Joseph Cox

No, he and Sorey are childhood friends.
Also, he's gonna outlive Sorey for thousands of years and he knows it.

If anything he wants him to impregnate her so that the lineage goes on and he has something to watch over after their dream comes true.

Cooper Hughes
Cooper Hughes

Kek/10

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

The show was pretty fun. Not sure how it went on the actual game but I'm guessing they axed Alisha or something?

James Moore
James Moore

Sorey's not gonna sleep with a girl when he has this waiting for him.

Jose Williams
Jose Williams

Smile protected.

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

A winner has nothing to feel jealous of.

Hypothetically, even if Alisha 'wins' the Soreybowl in the anime, Mikleo still won in the only version of Zestiria that is canon and that's the game.

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

Is Rose now for bullying?

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

In this thread, people who didn't use the loser search function.

"command"+F
Seriously? Also, gonna start watching after download finishes. It looks like a good episode for Alisha again.

Eli Jackson
Eli Jackson

So is that Rose in control or was her body get hijacked by Dezel? I can't tell at all.

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

I'm glad Edna's treasuring the doll Eizen sent her.

;_;

Nathaniel Lewis
Nathaniel Lewis

generalfag
Fuck off.

Owen Morris
Owen Morris

She doesn't even wear a skirt, that whole scene made no sense.
Why would she even be embarrassed?
Oh no, they saw my trousers!

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

he doesn't know how it ends.

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

I have a question. What was with Alisha making contract with the shepard? Didn't make any sense to me.

Nathan Barnes
Nathan Barnes

Forced Rose pandering: the game
Forced Alisha pandering: the anime
people will defend both either way
Zestiria was a mistake. Berseria anime when?

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

Symonne is delicious.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

Bad writing.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

She was herself as far as I could tell. She was pretty mad over Alisha getting stabbed and concerned for her life afterwards.

Ethan Ward
Ethan Ward

Rose is fully aware of Dezel from the start

I like this.

Noah Barnes
Noah Barnes

She'll still end up being separated and dead long before him anyway, so it won't even matter.

I'd actually feel sorry for Sorey if they ended up together, he'd be alive but Alisha dead, and he'd end up blue-balled by Mikleo and being forced having to watch him fucking other people while refusing to fuck him because Sorey decided to chase after a princess 700 years ago.

Colton Rogers
Colton Rogers

Hineyhurt command+F user.

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

No Edna pandering
Now this is a mistake.

Charles Edwards
Charles Edwards

She still couldn't see him, right? Maybe she still denies Seraph but is more laidback about them.

Evan Butler
Evan Butler

She doens't deny them she knew about Dezel from before the start of the series.

Angel Kelly
Angel Kelly

stalking Rose
Lifting her '''skirt'''
getting angry when someone attacks Rose/makes her upset
Dezel is basically Baba.

Jack Harris
Jack Harris

She still can't see him.

Wyatt Russell
Wyatt Russell

She's a literal who, just like she was in the game. Atleast her episode was objectively the best they made all season. Felt much more natural than them being forced to wipe up Alishafag tears by bloating her screentime.

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

She's a girl. It's still indecent.

Aaron Morales
Aaron Morales

Alisha got "axed" a bit before this in the game. She just left after Marlind, became a hostage for Sorey to join the war and then was never heard of again until much later in the game.

Aiden Smith
Aiden Smith

who
Only the most popular girl and greatest beauty, that's who.

William Baker
William Baker

Atleast her episode was objectively the best they made all season. Felt much more natural than them being forced to wipe up Alishafag tears by bloating her screentime.
I agree with this.

Jaxson Miller
Jaxson Miller

Hey Baba

Caleb Smith
Caleb Smith

Most popular girl yet still a total nobody in terms of placement in the plot. Her character arc was so unimportant in the game, it was a sidequest.

She had a good episode in the anime, I just hope they follow up on it and kill Eizen later on on-screen.
everyone who criticizes Alisha is a Rosefag
I know it's hard but grow up. I couldn't give a shit about Rose.

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

I just started playing the game.

What the fuck man.

Brody Ward
Brody Ward

Symbolism for marriage.

Joseph Long
Joseph Long

Alisha ruined this series (again)

Levi Young
Levi Young

I know it's hard but grow up. I couldn't give a shit about Rose.
Nice try

Nolan Robinson
Nolan Robinson

Nah hes just happy for his brother

Kevin Mitchell
Kevin Mitchell

Poor Sorey.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

Daily reminder that with Baba out of the picture, Tales can finally be great again :D

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

They really just assumed everyone knew what that meant, didn't they?

Benjamin Cox
Benjamin Cox

marriage
she just leaves for work right after and Sorey finds another girl
Truly a criticism of the modern age.

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

yeah that part was way better in the anime.

Alexander Brooks
Alexander Brooks

It allows her to see the seraphim and that despite Sorey not being able to defeat Kittybeard shows he has come along ways as Shepherd.

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

No it's more like they enter into legal separation the next day.

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

hmanga when

s2 hen

Adam Baker
Adam Baker

Alishafags and Rosefags finally bury their axe with the characters teaming up
now Meebofags and Alishafags are starting a catfight
Only the dead can know peace from this evil

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

I prefer suffering moe though.

Josiah Powell
Josiah Powell

holy shit is mikleo gay or something?

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

Kittybeard
Interesting, and here I thought you guys made this one up.

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

Alisha becoming a Squire is poorly timed in the anime and the fact that it's initiated by Sorey is what makes it all look retarded to anime-onlyfags. Nevermind the fact that she... leaves right afterwards.

They probably just did it because she has to face Maltran next season. Better now than way later.

Isaiah Foster
Isaiah Foster

I want more Alisha in my life.
Will the anime deliver on Season 2?

Ian Peterson
Ian Peterson

did you miss the memo?

Jaxson Flores
Jaxson Flores

The scene with the camera angle behind their backs looked like Dezel was humping Rose. Requesting webm.

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

He's secretly a woman.

Nope

Ian Price
Ian Price

They need to make this better
youtu.be/k9rgNqZ7eeE?t=5m5s

Christopher Thomas
Christopher Thomas

Why couldn't Sorey have a cool hat and shades in the anime?

Juan Richardson
Juan Richardson

Who needs to look at some random girl's assets when you are way more prettier than her ?

Angel White
Angel White

I guess you can view it as a privilege. She shares Sorey's motives and goals so she was made into a follower of sorts. You can also see it as an oath. Kind of like cementing a friendship and they promised to meet again

Yeah they really didn't explain it in the anime but if it takes on different meaning in the anime than the game I don't necessarily think it was bad writing for them to end the season like that.

Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

Eh, if they have kids, it would be okay. Seeing your descendents would honestly be a sweet thing and if they go wrong, you can guide them to the proper path.

John Russell
John Russell

everytime they say Ningen

Angel Nelson
Angel Nelson

So what are Japanese tweeters saying about this episode?
I felt it was kind of a letdown after last episode which was really good. The buildup just kind of fizzled out.

Logan Green
Logan Green

If they have kids,
They absolutely won't though. Anime-only fags shouldn't try predicting anything.

Blake Parker
Blake Parker

Too bad, Sorey goes to sleep long before that could become possible so the relationship won't go anywhere.

Julian Perez
Julian Perez

They are clearly saying "not enough half naked Edna" and "too little Edna" and "Edna can never be too little, that's how I prefer girls anyway hehehe"

Thomas Baker
Thomas Baker

Alisha has finally become the heroine is the top tweet if you search for アリーシャ on twitter.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

kids
Alisha will have Sergei kids

Nolan Thomas
Nolan Thomas

This thing, is he supposed to be the "Lord of Calamity"? He just reminds me of a generic SNK boss. He even seems to do input reading. I half expected to see a broken full screen attack or infinite combos that kill each character.

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez

Sorey goes to sleep long before that's possible, and Sorey would still be blue balled by Mikleo for all eternity. Probably would have no choice but to listen to him fuck other people too, while he beats off and cries himself to sleep at night.

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

Ningens, reeeeee!

Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

search for アリーシャ on twitter.
get this cute little comic on top
Okay

Evan James
Evan James

In the game when Sorey met Kittybeard first time he puked and almost fainted just for staying near him, also he couldn't use the Seraphs because they got "banished" by the Calamity Dominion.
For once the game made this encounter better

James Nguyen
James Nguyen

No, have character development instead. Suffering is over.

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

The game actually handles this entire thing better. Sorey losing his resonance was poorly executed in the game but it was quite a intense moment and it's fucking retarded Ufotable shafted that just so they could pander to Alishafags for no real reason.

Anthony Gray
Anthony Gray

so we can at least agree that this is aots ?

Logan Allen
Logan Allen

This first cour was good and made zestiria a lot better

John Butler
John Butler

fuck no, not even close

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

Well, I guess I can understand why people would prefer the game version of the encounter with him, but if the seraphs are banned, then it sounds like they also wanted to throw in some participation for the seraphs.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

Forced force the forcing

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

Not when Jojo's is still airing :^)

Landon Russell
Landon Russell

Yeah except that won't stop people from talking about him constantly instead of this actual show or franchise as the past year has clearly demonstrated

James Roberts
James Roberts

Sorey loses his resonance
Rose asks him for help but he can't do anything
Alisha is left there to bleed out
cliffhanger until cour 2
This is the most suffering they could've gone but my heart wouldn't be able to take it.

Elijah Stewart
Elijah Stewart

Knowing ufotable, they wanted to show some action scenes.

Stop blaming Alishafags, Bandai and Ufotable are trying to fix Baba screwups.

Jonathan Hall
Jonathan Hall

Lolicons don't care about story either way, they just want more loli fan service. Go watch that Prisma Illya anime instead.

Christian Roberts
Christian Roberts

it's not like they did much in this episode anyway, the point of it was to show Sorey vulnerable. without the seraphim he was just a regular human again, and in the game he was also cut away from his only human friend, Alisha, who was all the way back in Ladylake.

instead he held his own, which is... alright, i guess, but kind of boring.

Benjamin Bell
Benjamin Bell

But I wasn't blaming anybody in my post.

Josiah Long
Josiah Long

Stop blaming Alishafags, Bandai and Ufotable are trying to fix Baba screwups.
Sure Alishafag. That doesn't explain why this episode was shit though.

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

SMILE OF THE SEASON

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

Man its another time I really wish the Western fandom was more like the Japanese who still clearly know how to have ups with the downs and create real memes in their discussions. The Western Fandom is so focused on negatives, baiting and shitposting with it's own baggage it's no wonder Japanese producers have basically started ignoring them and their increasing levels of bullshit.

Jacob Jenkins
Jacob Jenkins

Enlighten us, what gets you to this apparently totally real and genuine position on this episode

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

He had an hard life

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

Baba was a mistake after all, huh?

Hunter Turner
Hunter Turner

Alisha > Rose > Lailah > Edna > Symone > Red shirts > Maltran

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

Mikleo > Edna > Lailah > Rose > Symonne > Alisha > Maltran
Alisha is boring af

Jonathan Rivera
Jonathan Rivera

secondaries thinking snoozefest Alisha is worth shit
I love this meme. Almost as funny as Rosefags.

Ryan White
Ryan White

Alizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Adam Diaz
Adam Diaz

Maltran that low
what do you have against big titted lancers?

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

2016 year of our lord
hating Alisha

Jaxson Clark
Jaxson Clark

implyning

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

samefagging this hard

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

Maltran a shit.
I bet she still doesn't truly care for Alisha

Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

Princess, is there someone you like?
That's so sudden, Rose.
Like for example Sorey or Mikleo?
L-lord Mikleo is a Seraph and and Sorey has his duty as a Shepherd
I would never...!
Ehh? Then, is there a guy you end up thinking a lot about?
Hmm...
Ah.
Oh, so there is one after after all. Who is it, who is it?
Bartlow...
I can't forget him even when I try...
Ahh...
Sorry.

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

i don't know, she was pretty emotional here and there was no real reason for her to be faking it, Alisha wasn't aware enough to need a show and the others probably wouldn't have been surprised if she'd kept a cool head since she was in charge.

Connor Thomas
Connor Thomas

Alisha = Edna > Rose > Lailah > cute bow knight > rest

Andrew Hughes
Andrew Hughes

link the same post twice
samefag
Sure user.
Alisha is a miracle of the universe.
Would follow into battle every time/10.

Jaxson Allen
Jaxson Allen

She does. Even with the corruption. If she didn't she would have killed the two red shirts and let Alisha bleed to death out in the wild.

Aaron Rogers
Aaron Rogers

Just as delusional as Rosefags. Sasuga.

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

When will not-Lailah appear again? Somehow please make it happen, her design is too good to be a one off

Brody Adams
Brody Adams

She died you retard.

Nolan Morris
Nolan Morris

She's in Velvet's stomach user. You should let go.

Camden Barnes
Camden Barnes

Alisha forcefully taking Rose and making her a woman when?

Cooper Brooks
Cooper Brooks

Fuck you she's gonna come back. Just wait

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

When will Velvet shit her out then?

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

During Alisha's After Story: Anime OVA edition.

Jackson Martin
Jackson Martin

It's not a doll.
youtube.com/watch?v=cpj9mdYjP_g

Xavier Adams
Xavier Adams

i'm going to have a hard time playing Berseria because the entire time i watched these two episodes i couldn't stop staring at their tits. i don't even LIKE girls.

Caleb Smith
Caleb Smith

She's his personal cum dump. Wouldn't you be mad if someone tried to mess with your fleshlight.

Christopher Nguyen
Christopher Nguyen

No she doesn't. Flashbacks are all you're gonna get.

Nathaniel King
Nathaniel King

doujins when? that's all I ask

Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

Rose and Alisha captured by Landon's soldiers
Prime doujin material

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

Dezel watches and breaks them out after the gangbang is over

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

heterosexual Tales doujins

Henry Young
Henry Young

implying he doesn't participate.

Oliver Parker
Oliver Parker

He watches her bathe, fucks her while she sleeps, and has full access to her vagina whenever she wants (and becomes bitter when she's able to see him after becoming Sorey's squire). He's got plenty of Rose snatch.

Noah Peterson
Noah Peterson

1 (one) hetero doujin
what's wrong with this series?

Liam James
Liam James

No surprise that the top two are a loli and a gayfag.

Landon Lewis
Landon Lewis

they can't see him but they can feel him
"something's filling me up!"

Mason Allen
Mason Allen

that power gap

Kevin Price
Kevin Price

Because everyone knows how this story ends.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

no doujins of Edna and Lailah raping innocent young men
no doujins of Zaveid making women lose it in public

Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

Mikleo will fall into the Malevolence and things will escalate quickly

Evan Cruz
Evan Cruz

Meebo and Sorey are too much bros and Rose bisexuality paired next to Alisha innocence

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

youtube.com/watch?v=Igi44AFE-Cs&feature=youtu.be&t=26s Dezel sure is good at everything!

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

Rose looks like a full dyke. Meanwhile, minus the anime, Alisha looks so desperate for love that she doesn't care from whom she get it

Chase Gonzalez
Chase Gonzalez

Makes sense given how the game ended

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

But Velvet is Guts.

Jason Reyes
Jason Reyes

The anime is its own thing

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

How did the shota end up the manliest guy out of a party that has Eizen and Rokurou?

Jonathan Ortiz
Jonathan Ortiz

The power of nee-sans

Asher Thomas
Asher Thomas

So Mikleo is Casca, Velvet is Griffith and Sorey is Guts?

I almost feel sorry for Sorey.

Gavin Martinez
Gavin Martinez

Velvet rapes Mikleo
H-huh?
I don't get it.

Luke Perez
Luke Perez

Follow the thread user.

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

Pathetic what the industry has became nowadays. No wonder they only produce garbage.

Jason Jenkins
Jason Jenkins

I want to feel her breath on my skin.

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

I never played the game, and I liked it a lot, especially Alisha.

I hope Alisha and Sorey fuck. :D

Jeremiah Williams
Jeremiah Williams

At least anime Alisha has her knights which somewhat seem like friends to her. Game Alisha was just lonely as fuck with really no one at all to support her after Maltran died and Sorey went to sleep. This makes Rose bullying her in the DLC just so much more cruel.

Noah Davis
Noah Davis

Rose can't even come close to bullying her now. Except in bed, the one topic Alisha has no clue about

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

Is this just a retelling of the game or is there any reason to watch it if you've played through it already?

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

No, the series has been absolute garbage up to this point

Robert Gonzalez
Robert Gonzalez

Alternative telling of the game that follows the same plot. Very different details. Basically it's own continuum.

And they are both shit in different ways.

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

Watch it if you liked Alisha.

Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

What if you liked Edna?

Adam Hill
Adam Hill

I bet Baba managed to get into the anime production to force this fucking scene

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

Go look for a job, Baba.

Eli Adams
Eli Adams

Edna is the best reminder.

Chase Cooper
Chase Cooper

You probably won't get much more than one episode's worth of delight. Alisha takes a lot more spotlight now. Also a couple Berseria episodes for some reason, despite not establishing any real connection to Zestiria yet.

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

Can't even cook snacks
Best

She's only high tier user.

Logan Perez
Logan Perez

"You serious?"
Sums it all up.

Aiden Howard
Aiden Howard

Alisha is a good girl

Austin Lopez
Austin Lopez

This was probably the funniest scene in the entire game

Easton Russell
Easton Russell

Why is her knight getup so sexual?

Nolan Rogers
Nolan Rogers

She is for tender loving in a field of flowers at daybreak

Evan Butler
Evan Butler

Meebofags are retarded

Daniel Morgan
Daniel Morgan

this projection.

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

all the army gets blue uniforms
except alisha, she gets a pink knight outfit

sort of makes me chuckle

Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

She's a cute knight. Cute knights get pink.

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

my person of the african american descent

David Scott
David Scott

That's why she gets a blue alt colour and it's 200% superior to her stupid pink princess get-up.

Christian Nelson
Christian Nelson

i agree, blue Alisha>pink Alisha just because she doesn't look retardedly out of place.

Carter Clark
Carter Clark

Pretty princesses need to stand out.

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

implying there won't be a tales of zestiria f with 100% more Alisha for the PS4 pro

Brody Ortiz
Brody Ortiz

Nobody gives a shit about Zestiria, they're trying to clean up the mess not shit it all out again. Nips already hated Bamco for their remake bullshit.

David Young
David Young

This, even if they did want to make a Zestiria R or F, they'd have to refund everyone who bought the first game or they'd get nothing at all. The most the anime can do is work to get people interested in the WORLD and HISTORY of Zestiria, but not Zestiria itself.

That being said the anime failed to do this, because while Alisha's story is important to Zestira it isn't the most important thing, since if you're going to make a sequel she won't appear in it, she'd either be an old woman or dead. While the characters who are the most popular and are more likely to appear in other stories, are the ones with the least amount of character focus. It's the negative trade off to focusing on Alisha, yeah sure Alisha looks better but the overall narrative suffered for it as now you don't enough about Sorey to give a shit about him.

Landon Reyes
Landon Reyes

i think something about this last episode crossed an Alisha threshold. like, before this, it seemed like most people were happy with what they were doing with her character, actually making her story (and Rose's) better, and the anime seemed better than the game as a result, but some line was crossed in this episode and now a lot of those positive feelings have gone out the window.

so what the hell was it? was it the squire thing? was it Sorey's actual interesting shit that was supposed to happen this episode (getting his ass beat by Heldalf and losing his resonance) getting completely tossed aside for an action scene and more Alisha screen time? was it Sorey losing his shit and becoming dangerously close to crossing a line over Alisha? which of these things was the worst, or was it just the combination of all three?

Jace Ramirez
Jace Ramirez

I'm more upset about Alisha being put on a bus, alone. Hope she still gets to do something in the next season.

The squire inclusion was a bad choice I think. I don't really see the point.

Grayson Garcia
Grayson Garcia

I think that it's everything, it would have been interesting for Sorey to wake up and not see the seraphim, losing the one thing that he's had all his life, and maybe even showing him being lonely because of it. Sorey losing his shit, when that's never been a part of his character in the anime before but it is now because Alisha, then making Alisha a squire (which was a stupid thing from the game) only to have her leave literally 2 minutes later.

It's just stupid and when you add in the fact that Sorey has lost a lot of his own personal investment in everything because they've regulated his involvement to be solely duty based instead of something he wanted to do himself which at least game Sorey even if he isn't allowed to help others, still wishes to do so because he wants to do it.

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

The Final boss was revealed and everything that happens in Rolance has nothing to do with her.

Oliver Watson
Oliver Watson

Hope she still gets to do something in the next season.
She'll still come back to kill Maltran.

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

And then she'll get benched again.

Sebastian Mitchell
Sebastian Mitchell

i knew i was leaving something out.

lost a lot of his own personal investment
i think this is what's bugging me a lot, too. he's not really getting any development and he's the protagonist. he gets cool action scenes where he purifies shit and he learns more about how to be a shepherd or what being a shepherd means but none of that is PERSONAL. they have him talk about his dream and how important it is to him but they're not really showing WHY it's important to him, just telling us 'this is his dream, this is why it's important' and leaving us to fill in the blanks. that worked for a little while, especially for people who played the game and/or read the manga but this episode they had a chance to show his reaction to losing his resonance and thus his ability to perceive and interact with seraphim, which is directly tied to his dream, and... they took that part out.

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

It just feels boring. A lot of it seems 'different for the sake of being different' and doesn't come off as better than what the game did, just completely different. Like, Heldalf fucking off without doing anything at all. In the game, he growls so hard Sorey loses his connection to his Seraphs and falls into Rolance territory with Rose. I found that part of the game FAR more interesting than the "everything is perfectly fine" thing the anime did.

Jaxon Powell
Jaxon Powell

It's just stupid and when you add in the fact that Sorey has lost a lot of his own personal investment in everything because they've regulated his involvement to be solely duty based instead of something he wanted to do himself which at least game Sorey even if he isn't allowed to help others, still wishes to do so because he wants to do it.
That makes no sense. He does his duty because that's what he wants to. It's part of his personal involvement. Even if he wasn't a Shepherd, he would still try to help people.

Liam Foster
Liam Foster

yeah they're just strolling easily into Rolance, looks like. Heldalf letting him get away so easily was a bad decision, i think. now we've seen the final boss, but he just let Sorey go. there's no sense of danger or urgency heading into Rolance in the anime. i was afraid they'd end on some kind of cliffhanger but at least that would have been exciting.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

Exactly and we lose this for what? So that Alisha could get her moment that ultimately wasn't needed. It's different and not in a way that improves the story. I've actually seen Nips complain about Sorey in this episode.

There's a difference between duty and personal investment, and sure he became a shepherd because of personal investment but that isn't why he's performing the duties related that title. He's performing those duties because he they came with the title and not because he just wants to help people.

Juan Allen
Juan Allen

There's a difference between duty and personal investment
No there is not. With or without the title, he would still help people. It's just part of who he is and and the fact that he's a shepherd doesn't change anything.

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

I was expecting it to end with Rose saving Sorey, both of them falling into the forest, and discovering the scattered bones hide-out.

Austin Bell
Austin Bell

Actually, why does Sorey need to go to Rolance in the anime? It completely flew by me.

Matthew Robinson
Matthew Robinson

He doesn't need to. Rose asked him to.

Angel Stewart
Angel Stewart

Make way for the best ship.

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

He wants to go there to study their legends on dragons.

Lucas Peterson
Lucas Peterson

It was everything, as the anons said above. Basically the straw that brought the camel's back.

Ufotable must've thought that fixing Zestiria = fixing Alisha and while it's true she was a huge part of the problem, she wasn't the only problem and they had already fixed her problem enough in several episodes so far. Now they've brought the problem back up again, except for no reason. Alisha became a squire of her own will to protect in the game, and left for a bullshit reason. In the anime it's SOREY who request she becomes a squire and then she leaves yet again. How is this any better? To see the seraphim she won't even be with?
ose back into her role next season.

Then we have Rose, who pretty much even less of a reason to be now that Sorey is 1) OP as fuck 2) made Alisha his squire this episode. Alot of people praise the anime for it's changes but not all of them are good, and this episode solidified that. They also ruined the perfect cliffhanger by not having Sorey lose his resonance, as well as finally showing him reacting to a personal part of his character.

Ayden Martin
Ayden Martin

he mentioned in a recent episode that Rolance used to worship dragons, and he's still chasing after that dragon that was in Ladylake and trying to research them presumably for Edna's sake as well. and Rose asked him to, but he mentioned going there already.

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

Not in the anime, anime Sorey goes to Marlind and shoots down the dragon not because he sees people suffering and wants to help but because it's his duty as shepherd and Alisha is sad.

To compare Sorey in the manga wants to help because he sees a bunch of people who are sick and wants to help them, game Sorey helps for the same reason. Anime Sorey, I've gotta chase after the dragon because I saw it take out the hellion in the river and then heals the city because it's his duty. He doesn't do any of it because he just wants to do it, he does it because it's his duty. And yes, duty and personal investment are two separate things.

He actually said that he was going to go two episodes ago.

Angel Thompson
Angel Thompson

Not in the anime, anime Sorey goes to Marlind and shoots down the dragon not because he sees people suffering and wants to help but because it's his duty as shepherd and Alisha is sad.
I only watched the anime and it's plenty clear to me he's the sort of person who just feels like helping people. He helped Alisha in the second episode despite Meebo being against it, and he took Lailah's sword and became a shepherd to help the people in the church. That's just who he is and you don't need more scenes or exposition to get it.

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

How is this any better? To see the seraphim she won't even be with?
It's likely a setup. Writing and animating political developments isn't ufotable's thing, so while Alisha is away from everyone she can still get some action.

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

Ufotable must've thought that fixing Zestiria = fixing Alisha and while it's true she was a huge part of the problem, she wasn't the only problem and they had already fixed her problem enough in several episodes so far.
It's pretty much this, in being overly focused on Alisha they've created a bigger problem with Sorey.

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

fixing Zestiria was always going to be hard. it's like they were riding the thin line of 'better' but tipped over the edge back into 'shit' this episode. i think the only thing i was happy about was Rose and Dezel's interaction and that's just fucking weird.

by trying to fix things with the girls they've made Sorey far worse. well, not worse, just... it doesn't even feel like he's the protagonist anymore, he's the sideplot in his own show.

Asher Roberts
Asher Roberts

You do, because it's called consistency, it's not enough to jsut have Sorey once or twice act to help people when you want to say that it's his trait. You have consistent and have him repeatedly do so when the situation arises, it's because Sorey isn't allowed to show that he acts because he genuinely gives a shit why his character suffers and ends up creating a situation where Sorey becomes the least interesting character in the story.

Camden Taylor
Camden Taylor

Even so, it was the worst possible timing to do it and it wasn't even of Alisha's own request to become a Squire, it was a suggestion from Sorey himself. It defeats the very purpose of her contract. If he could do that, why the fuck did he wait so long knowing Alisha wanted to see the Seraphim?

Luke Cook
Luke Cook

The anime left the impression that he underestimated what she was going against until she almost died, so he helped her knowing that they would be much further away from each other soon.

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

You do, because it's called consistency
You're making no sense. I described how he was helping people even before becoming a Shepherd, and of course he keeps helping people after becoming a Shepherd too. There's no inconsistency.

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

What is it that's hard to understand, if you say that character gibes a shit about other people and does his duty, not just because it's his duty but because he wants to help people, then it isn't enough to once or twice. You need to be consistenly show that whenever he is helping he is doing it to help the people in need and not becuase of duty.

The anime only claimed at the beginning that Sorey wants to genuinely help people, but that got lost because then the story became overly focused on Sorey's duty as a shepherd, and forgot about Sorey as a character.

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

I can agree with that, if only they'd explained it more.

Additionally, they basically had Alisha lying on the ground with a stab wound until nightfall for the sake of making the pact scene with Sorey. It's absolutely retarded.

John Torres
John Torres

Doesn't matter. Sorey will always put Mikleo first, and Mikleo knows it. Bitches ain't shit.

Jace Clark
Jace Clark

he could have done it last episode, and the time spent on Sorey and Rose backtracking to save her and make her a squire could have been spent on Sorey getting his shit kicked in and Rose arriving to ask for his help but saving him instead. the show could have ended on the double cliffhanger of 'will Alisha survive?' and 'what will happen to Sorey and Rose?' or 'how will Sorey be the shepherd if he can't see seraphim/will he get his resonance back?' instead.

Michael Johnson
Michael Johnson

He was helping people since before he became a Shepherd, so when he helps people as a Shepherd it's already clear he does so because that's who he is, and not just for his duty. You don't need them to literally tell you this every time unless you're a huge retard.

Isaiah Cox
Isaiah Cox

How is this any better?

It completes largely the character arc she starts out with in her fervent belief in the legends of the shepherds and seraphim and now she is given a place amongst them and it further validates her beliefs by being able to see them.

Carter Turner
Carter Turner

Additionally, they basically had Alisha lying on the ground with a stab wound until nightfall for the sake of making the pact scene with Sorey. It's absolutely retarded.

No. It's pretty much implied they healed her. Rose rode all the way to Sorey to get them to fix Alisha up.

Austin Foster
Austin Foster

On another note, what the hell happened to Dezel in the anime? They took out Zaveid's flirty nature and gave it to him instead? Thinking about it, Zaveid didn't even flirt with Lalilah/Edna's in Edna's episode.

Leo Cox
Leo Cox

Again, timing is key and the last episode of the fucking cour was the worst possible time to do that. She could've got that shit after Water Kamui.

Adam Cox
Adam Cox

She could've got that shit after Water Kamui.
It wouldn't make sense there. It had to happen after the climax of her subplot in this episode.

Dylan Nelson
Dylan Nelson

But once he became shepherd his helping people no longer was about his desire to help them but about his duty to shepherd, in fact the last time that Sorey has helped someone because he wanted to and not because of "the shepherd's duty" but just because he wanted to was with Edna, and even before he reached the mountain him saving the soldiers was again about duty. They never make it about Sorey, it not personal.

You do need character consistency, you can't have a story only have a character help people because he wanted to 3x but then turn around and have every other time he does it outright stated to be a a part of his duty. That's why stories with police officers as MCs don't keep reminding people that police officers duty, and instead just make it about the character personally wanting to help. Because even if you say at the beginning that the police officer became one because they wanted to help, if you keep reiterating their duty every single episode then every time help someone it won't be because they wanted to help, but because it was their duty to help.

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

i don't think there was really room in episode 10 for it... the human malevolence bit was too important to cut, as was the Alisha vs Rose confrontation.

Hunter Martinez
Hunter Martinez

But once he became shepherd his helping people no longer was about his desire to help them but about his duty to shepherd
They never said something like that and you would be a huge retard of you get to that baseless conclusion after seeing him helping people even before becoming a Shepherd.

Chase Anderson
Chase Anderson

No it would have made perfect sense there, hell they could have given it to her earlier and have her see the real situation in Marlind was.

Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

It had to happen after she had a near death experience in admist of a war? Seeing seraphim was really that important huh? Nevermind she's been focused on the political side of everything since the beginning of the anime and has shown no desire to be a Squire. Makes sense indeed.

Brayden Ross
Brayden Ross

Fujoshi anally ravaged because there was no tickle scene.

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

It had to happen in this episode because it was the symbolic reward to her efforts. It wouldn't have made sense if happened before this point.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

Except they have and in every episode, that he's helped people after becoming shepherd, the only time this hasn't happened is when Edna was introduced. You make no sense since you're essentially saying that it's okay if a character isn't allowed to get any focus on their actual character and not their occupation.

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

Since it was not done already, there wouldn't be any other time to do it. They would go separate ways from then on.

The war was over as well, thanks to her and Rose.

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

Except they have and in every episode
They only said it's the shepherd's duty, but they didn't say he's doing it only for that reason, and you would be an idiot to believe so considering he was helping people on his own even before becoming a Shepherd.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

Bullshit, because Alisha just fucks off at the end so there's no point in her getting a powerup that she'll never use. And not only that we wasted time making her a squire when that time could have been better spent building up suspense and making the situation against feel dire.

The war isn't over just that one battle

Eli Torres
Eli Torres

Alisha just fucks off at the end so there's no point in her getting a powerup that she'll never use
How do you know she's not gonna use them? Is the writer your dad or something?

Connor Peterson
Connor Peterson

Game had good parts
Manga had good parts
Anime had good parts
Game had bad parts
Manga had bad parts
Anime had bad parts
We should just put the pieces we like together like a puzzle because Zestiria will always be shit in some way.

Isaac Cruz
Isaac Cruz

there's no point in her getting a powerup that she'll never use

We don't know that. I think this sets up armatization for Alisha next season. Furthermore the plotline with Maltran being a hellion is still unresolved. Given the Alisha emphasis of the director I find it likely they'll resolve it with Alisha in tow.

Cameron Collins
Cameron Collins

Except they have, and they've shown Sorey doing shit just because. He goes to Marlind and purifies the town not because he's shown to genuinely wants to genuinely help, but because he's chasing after the dragon puppy.

Like I said before it's about fucking consistency, again it's not enough to just have a character help people once because he wants to do so, you need to be consistent with it. Like I said it's like having a character who wants to be a police officer but once he does so, he's now just known by police officer. Even if you say that a character is helpful you need to show them actually helping people, consistently without anything mitigating it.

Connor Fisher
Connor Fisher

Except they have, and they've shown Sorey doing shit just because.
You're talking out of your ass.

David Moore
David Moore

sets up armatization for Alisha
with who? all the pacted seraphim are with Sorey. he's their vessel. he's going to be in Rolance for most of next cour.

Isaiah Edwards
Isaiah Edwards

user so far the anime has been generally following the story of Zestiria, and considering what's going to happen, I'm not holding my breath on Alisha's new position of squire being important.

Thing is Alisha is important in the first cour because she actually has a role there in the second cour she'll be replaced by Sergei. Also Alisha armatization won't happene because
1. it'll kill her
and
2. There's no seraphim for her to armatize with.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

"This hand...can eat you...in a different way"

Michael Powell
Michael Powell

Except I'm not, listen you can like police officer B all you like but that him compelling.

Grayson Watson
Grayson Watson

Armatization doesn't kill. That's Baba bullshit, just like Sorey getting blind and whatnot

David Peterson
David Peterson

And just to add on to this, Seraphim don't give out their true names easily and she can only armatize with seraphim who have a sublord pact with Lailah.

Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

I want to tickle Edna!

Luke Reed
Luke Reed

Alisha armatizing would be too much bullshit even for Ufotable. Or would it. If they're trying to wipe Alishafags tears, they could go the full way. But with even Rose being gimped and useless, having Alisha get it would seem retarded too.

Nolan Cruz
Nolan Cruz

In Berseria we see a few people with low resonance armatize and worse case scenario they die or lose all their resonance. Not that it matters she can't armatize with anyone who doesn't have a sublord contract with Lailah.

Ryder Sullivan
Ryder Sullivan

user so far the anime has been generally following the story of Zestiria
Just the core plot. It changes events quite a bit. So yeah, I could see Alisha using her powers in a lot of different, anime-original situations. Hyland is still filled with malevolence, and the council of full of conspirators too. There's a lot of potential to play with.

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

In Berseria we see a few people with low resonance armatize and worse case scenario they die or lose all their resonance.
That armatization was experimental and imperfect, and I don't think it killed anyone.

Joseph Ross
Joseph Ross

Exactly, and the core plot gives Alisha no place to get involved without really altering the story. So far all the anime-only situations aren't important. And she'll end up losing them once Sorey finishes his journey so again what's the point?

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

they're probably going to have her find Uno and convince him to be Lord of the Land or something, since they totally skipped him this cour but still made Rohan Lord of the Land in Marlind.

Jaxon Jenkins
Jaxon Jenkins

Actually even the guide book says that a lot of resonance is needed to use armaization. That's why it was so contrived that Rose had an equal amount of resonance as Sorey. It's not a Baba added plot, as they never once say that anyone can armatize.

Jace Campbell
Jace Campbell

Exactly, and the core plot gives Alisha no place to get involved without really altering the story. So far all the anime-only situations aren't important.
I think they were important for the characterization of Sorey and Alisha. And I think the anime will keep including such situations. Zestiria's "plot" is a joke anyway so I don't mind the original content.

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

I'm fine with bullshit that contradicts the lore for the lulz
I mean, alright. Who can stop you anyway.

Robert Harris
Robert Harris

The anime is its own thing. It doesn't have to comply to any guidebook.

Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

It doesn't contradict the lore as explained in the anime, and that's all that matters.

Luis King
Luis King

fuck the game. fuck baba. i want to see what would have happened if that cunt didn't get his grubby hands on the original storyline

John Diaz
John Diaz

Anime or actual playthrough of Zestiria before Berseria?

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

So then you want the anime to waste screen time on bureaucracy? Zestiria's basic plot may be a joke but they're still generally following it's beats, and Alisha doesn't do anything duting the Rolance arc, in fact there are a lot more important things to do than worry about Alisha. Because Rolance has it's own problems.

You mean just like how people thought that Rose wouldn't join because the anime was it's own thing?

Benjamin Smith
Benjamin Smith

So then you want the anime to waste screen time on bureaucracy?
Why does it have to be bureaucracy? Hyland if overrun with malevolence, so you can expect Alisha will fight some hellion when she gets home. And then there are the conspirators. They already tried to kill her, and I'm pretty sure they'll keep doing so.

Benjamin Butler
Benjamin Butler

Neither. Skip and play Berseria. Go back to Zestiria if you want.

Brandon King
Brandon King

You mean just like how people thought that Rose wouldn't join because the anime was it's own thing?
But she doesn't seem to have the same amont to resonance than Sorey. She can talk to the Seraph, but she can't see them.

Michael Price
Michael Price

Because just waling up to soldiers and ordering them to stop fighting doesn't do shit. The only way for her to make a difference is to get the council to listen to her and she cna't do that by being a knight, in fact that's what game, novel, and manga Alisha realized, and what game Alisha gets admonished for not doing. So long as she's a knight they can get her out of their hair by giving her some mission far away from the council, in fact that's exactly what they did, that's how she ended up in Marlind. Face it Alisha isn't going be seeing a lot of action.

Also where are you getting the conspirators bullshit from? The war was started legally, in fact if anything Alisha's actions were in the wrong, since she actually had zero authority to tell the general what to do, and by doing so she's also going against the orders of her king. Remember Alisha is nothing more than a low ranked noble, she's no where near being the crown princess.

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

But she still joined despite her reasoning for doing so being taken away from her. Also Rose in the game also couldn't see seraphim at first but that was only because she didn't want to The fact that she can hear them without being around Sorey shows that her resonance is much higher than Alisha's. So Sorry but the game's outline is still very much in play.

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

Because just waling up to soldiers and ordering them to stop fighting doesn't do shit
I didn't say she wasn't going to do any political shit. She'll take care of that, I'm sure. But now that she's squire, she can also get involved in other stuff. Ladylake is overrun by malevolence, so the potential for some cool side stories involving hellions is there. I'm also expecting a confrontation with Bartlow, who will most likely try to kill her again.

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

Also Rose in the game also couldn't see seraphim at first but that was only because she didn't want to
She couldn't hear them either. The fact the she can now means she doesn't have that kind of restrictions. The reason she can't see them is probably just because her resonace isn't as strong as Sorey.

The fact that she can hear them without being around Sorey shows that her resonance is much higher than Alisha
Higher, sure, but how much higher? Unlike the game, Alisha does have some resonance in the anime.

Blake Gonzalez
Blake Gonzalez

But the truth that you don't want to acknowledge is that she can't do polticial shit by being on the knight, she has to be part of the council, aka the group that actually decides whether or not they go to war.

The biggest cause of malevolence in Ladylake and subsequently the world isn't something that she a squire can deal with. Sorey has to do the purification himself, and unlike in the game it takes days to do it. So even if she could purify the area all she'd be doing is standing on one spot for days on end.

No matter how you slice it Alisha won't be doing shit.

Brody Moore
Brody Moore

But the truth that you don't want to acknowledge is that she can't do polticial shit by being on the knight, she has to be part of the council, aka the group that actually decides whether or not they go to war.
She can be part of the council just fine. I never said otherwise.

The biggest cause of malevolence in Ladylake and subsequently the world isn't something that she a squire can deal with.
You don't know that.

No matter how you slice it Alisha won't be doing shit.
We'll see.

Camden Ross
Camden Ross

She couldn't hear them either. The fact the she can now means she doesn't have that kind of restrictions. The reason she can't see them is probably just because her resonace isn't as strong as Sorey.
You not taking away my point user, she still joined Sorey's party, remember Rose's resonance isn't important, it's there soley for gameplay.

Isaac Howard
Isaac Howard

She can be part of the council just fine. I never said otherwise.
Except you're missing out on one glaring fact, if she's going to end the war, then she can't leave Ladylake.

You don't know that.
This is an adaptation remember? The biggest cause of malevolence in Zestiria are two things, 1. the war and 2. the Lord of Calamity and 3. Maotelus because Motelus has merged with the land he's corrupting it. The only way to stop it is to purify Maotelus and only Sorey can do that/ Are you an animeonlyfag, that you didn't know this?

David Ortiz
David Ortiz

That's fine. My point is just that Ufo does change things. They might seem like unimportant things or irrelevant situations, but they keep adding up and changing the whole thing considerably. Heck, the reason you're bitching so much is because you didn't like one of such changes.

Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

*three

Jaxson Allen
Jaxson Allen

the reason you're bitching so much is because you didn't like one of such changes.
They are changing nothing at all! It's not like there's anybody talking about how they're currently wiping Alishafag tears or anything! Totally following the game word for word!

Camden Peterson
Camden Peterson

Except you're missing out on one glaring fact, if she's going to end the war, then she can't leave Ladylake.
I never said she has to leave Ladylake. At least not right away.

This is an adaptation remember? The biggest cause of malevolence in Zestiria
Who cares about that? I'm talking about local situations in Ladylake.

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

And my point is that it's not th extreme that you're making it out to be. Rose still joins despite her not having any reason to because that's how the story goes. Sorey ran into Hedalf because that's how the general story goes, Sorey goes to Marlind and tries to purify it because that's how the orignal story went.

I'm not bitching about anything I'm just saying that they're not changing anything important. The only person whose getting upset is you over the fact that someone else isn't sharing your delusion on the the animie "being it's own thing".

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

Sorey marries Alisha in the end right?

David Perry
David Perry

And my point is that it's not th extreme that you're making it out to be.
Saying Alisha and Sorey are gonna get together is what I'd consider extreme. Saying Alisha will likely use her powers as squire at some point is not extreme at all.

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

I never said she has to leave Ladylake. At least not right away.
Not until she's sure that the council signs that peace treaty which won't happen until Rolance also decides to do the same. By that time that that happens the story is over.

Who cares about that? I'm talking about local situations in Ladylake.
Because what's effecting the world and causing malevolence to seep up from the earth's crust itself and infect the ground water totally doesn't effect Ladylake, right?

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

Saying Alisha and Sorey are gonna get together is what I'd consider extreme. Saying Alisha will likely use her powers as squire at some point is not extreme at all.
Except they never implied that would happen, and considering what's really effecting Ladylake the only way for her to stop it is ironically by being a bureaucrat, because a Squire can't take on the Lord of Calamity or one of the 4 Lords.

Which is why you're upset, you don't like that I'm pointing out that you're little headcanon for Alisha is highly unlikely.

John Adams
John Adams

Except they never implied that would happen
The fact that they made her squire implies it.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

Which is why you're upset
And stop projecting. It's getting old.

Aiden Gomez
Aiden Gomez

not in the game or manga or novel.

William Watson
William Watson

It really doesn't imply anything user.

The only one whose projecting is you, the one getting upset about someone shooting down their headcanon.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Even the Nip Alishafags have been calling it pointless.

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

It really doesn't imply anything user.
It actually does, but to each their own I guess.

The only one whose projecting is you
I don't think you know what that means.

Robert Evans
Robert Evans

It really doesn't, the most it will do is give Alisha a heads up about Maltran without Sorey needint to get involved. It could be used to set up Alisha and Rose's fight but that's about it for her relevance after this.

I know what projection means, the problem is you don't seem to. Everything I've pointed out were facts that you've attempted to refute with headcanon and wishful thinking. Frankly you're quite funny.

Jackson James
Jackson James

It really doesn't
It does. They wouldn't give her an ability she won't use. That's shit storytelling.

I know what projection means, the problem is you don't seem to.
You said I'm upset but you're the one who doesn't like this argument. You're projecting.

Everything I've pointed out were facts
Facts from the game. If you think it's wishful thinking to believe the anime won't necessarily follow the game as close as you think, be my guest.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

A winner has nothing to feel jealous of
It happens all the fucking time though.

Justin Miller
Justin Miller

What does?

Christopher Jones
Christopher Jones

This please.

Adrian Rivera
Adrian Rivera

It does. They wouldn't give her an ability she won't use. That's shit storytelling.
That's most likely exactly it, I think you're giving the anime way too much credit. The manga did something similar as a big he haw before she left. There isn't much for her to do. She might get an episode or two where she finds out about Maltran but then her story will be over.

You said I'm upset but you're the one who doesn't like this argument. You're projecting.
points out the holes in user's arguments
you don't like my headcanons, y-you're just projecting.
irony is lost on you isn't it?

Facts from the game. If you think it's wishful thinking to believe the anime won't necessarily follow the game as close as you think, be my guest.
No general facts, facts that that have kept the same through out every single adatation. Again it's only your wishful that wants to believes differently.

You're actually exaggerating the anime's changes, as thus far they've only changed details, but generally everything is the same. Alisha has a bigger part in the anime, but that's because we're at the section where she played a big role, but come next season that will no longer be the case.

Dylan Parker
Dylan Parker

it's worth a play through. gameplay is kinda meh, but the game has some half decent banter at least

Luis Roberts
Luis Roberts

Is there anyone who actually wins this in the end?

William Turner
William Turner

Mikleo is the only character who can even consider to be a winner.

Ethan Miller
Ethan Miller

How can anyone 'win the boy' when the boy takes a 700 year nap after fucking murdering all his seraph friends with a gun?

Alexander Clark
Alexander Clark

That's most likely exactly it, I think you're giving the anime way too much credit.
Ufo has been doing a pretty good job until now. I don't have a reason to doubt they'll keep doing so.

everything you said is all just headcanon and wishful thinking.
just pointing out the holes in user's arguments
Sure thing, user.

You're actually exaggerating the anime's changes
I don't think I'm expecting anything bigger than the changes from the first season.

Landon Brown
Landon Brown

The seraphim live

Kevin Adams
Kevin Adams

Doesn't matter, they all expected to die. I don't think it's ever explained why they survived, especially after Dezel gets such a long death scene.

Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

Ufo has been doing a pretty good job until now. I don't have a reason to doubt they'll keep doing so.
Not everything they've done for Zestiria has been good. They've had good changes and bad changes. It's hardly unfallible.

I don't think I'm expecting anything bigger than the changes from the first season.
Except that's what you're doing, because again, Alisha's prominence in the first cour was only because she was already prominent in the during that section of the story. MAking her prominent in the second arc as well would be going in a completely different direction because she has fuck all to do with that section. But I can point out the logical flaws to your arguments till I'm blue in the fact, but I seriously doubt that it'll stop your headcanon.

Carter Ross
Carter Ross

Because they all knew that was going to happen and they all made plans for what they'll do if they survive.

Kevin Wilson
Kevin Wilson

Not everything they've done for Zestiria has been good.
It has been good for me.

MAking her prominent in the second arc as well would be going in a completely different
I'm not really expecting her to be as prominent as she in the first season.

But I can point out the logical flaws to your arguments till I'm blue in the fact
Game facts. I think I already made it pretty clear that I don't think the anime has to necessarily follow the game as much as you think, so all your game facts are pretty meaningless to me. Although I'm not expecting them to totally deviate from the game story or anything.

Jordan Anderson
Jordan Anderson

It has been good for me.
But obviously you aren't speaking for everyone.

I'm not really expecting her to be as prominent as she in the first season.
Could have fooled me.

Game facts. I think I already made it pretty clear that I don't think the anime has to necessarily follow the game as much as you think, so all your game facts are pretty meaningless to me. Although I'm not expecting them to totally deviate from the game story or anything.
General fact that been kept the same in iteration of the story, whether you like to admit it or not. Hell like I've pointed out numerous times and you yourself have admitted the anime isn't deviating from the game, it changes details but ti doesn't deviate. Characters who are promininet in or are meant to appear in the areas they appear in show up in that area in the anime at the times where they're meant to be shown. They may alter details but the prominence and presence remain the same.

For instance Game Rose was in Marlind too, and also decided to help out Sorey based on their confrontation they had there. The only change the anime made was having that confrontatioin from between Sorey and Rose to being between Alisha and Rose.

So for all you're screaming about how the game's events don't matter the brutal is that you don't want to admit to yourself is that they do. Small details don't matter but general events do. That's why I'm bringing up general storyline facts, because those are the types of facts that don't get changed.

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

At least they've fixed Rose, right?
She hasn't killed anyone out of cold blood yet and she was seriously concerned for a friend's life.

Noah Garcia
Noah Garcia

They fixed her so much she might as well not even exist anymore

Matthew Torres
Matthew Torres

She hasn't killed anyone out of cold blood yet
She will do that for the pope bitch in Pendrago church unless Sorey mans up and does it himself.
It's necessary as a foreshadowing to Sorey killing Heldalf.

Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

Sorey's already shown that he'll willing to do that though, she's no longer needed.

Jacob Lewis
Jacob Lewis

But obviously you aren't speaking for everyone.
Obviously.

General fact that been kept the same in iteration of the story, whether you like to admit it or not.
I don't mind it. But it doesn't mean the anime has to be the same.

for all you're screaming about how the game's events don't matter
I didn't say they don't matter at all. I actually said I'm not expecting the story to totally deviate from the game.

Levi Wright
Levi Wright

No. He nearly lost himself in frustration and became a monster this episode.
He needs to be able to kill with pure intentions and not get overwhelmed with grief and guilt for it. That's the whole purpose of Rose's character, to show him that killing is alright sometimes.

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

I don't mind it. But it doesn't mean the anime has to be the same.
Except the anime also has also kept the general facts the same. which is my point if characters aren't meant to be in a scene or at an event then they won't be there. By expecting the anime doing just that you're actually expecting a total deviation, which once again the anime hasn't done.

Jaxson Campbell
Jaxson Campbell

What makes you think that the details pointed out were the same in every adaptation?

Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

Except the anime also has also kept the general facts the same.
That's just your opinion.

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

Except he was able to reign himself in, and even in the game Rose has never had to deal with any black lash from the characters that she kills.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

How would I know?

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

He put himself together on his own. He'll do the same when he has to kill someone. Rose could never help him anyway because she never had to deal with feeling like shit after killing someone. She and Sorey could never relate to each other.

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

I was going to respond to until you admitted that you didn't know anything.

If you don't know then why are you even arguing? You can't claim whether or not a person making a point is claiming a fact or voicing an opinion if you actually don't know what the hell you're talking.

Christian Reed
Christian Reed

until you admitted that you didn't know anything.
That's not what I said.

Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

Except it was over I literally asked you what makes you think that the details of the events are the same in every adaptation and you said
how would I know?
That's admitting that you don't know what happened in the other adaptations you only know about the anime.

The fact that you're even claiming that a fact, is an opinion shows that you don't know what the hell you're even talking about.

Connor Carter
Connor Carter

Forced fanservice.
Wow.

Easton Ortiz
Easton Ortiz

I literally asked you what makes you think that the details of the events are the same in every adaptation
Yeah but that question doesn't make sense because I didn't say that. I'm really not sure what you're asking, to be honest.

Liam Nelson
Liam Nelson

Bullshit user, that was a straight question, and one you answered. If you did understand it then then I'm going spell it out for you. What makes you think that the details of general events in every iteration of Tales of Zestiria was the same?

Lucas Sanders
Lucas Sanders

What makes you think that the details of general events in every iteration of Tales of Zestiria was the same?
The question doesn't make sense because the one who said that the general events in every iteration of Tales of Zestiria are the same isn't me, it's you.

Nathan Green
Nathan Green

Rose forgot she wasn't wearing the school uniform outfit or the [email protected] outfit.

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

Acceptable.

Liam Hall
Liam Hall

Alisha and Rosefags will always be mad
youtu.be/j1XOIH7Rr1c?t=16m15s

Zachary Ward
Zachary Ward

youtube.com/watch?v=2Jn40g42GPQ
Edna wrote she wants to meet Eizen's companions
Phi tells him they should go visit her together
Damn this is pretty sad.
I want a goddamn crossover of all of them having fun together. At least the anime will save Eizen, right? RIGHT?
Also Eleanor playing hide and seek with Moana is HNNNNG as hell.

Gabriel Evans
Gabriel Evans

The scene with Magilou and Melchior by the end is amazing.
I still don't get how the people who wrote Zestiria could write this

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

No Baba around

Caleb Martin
Caleb Martin

Even without Baba none of Zestiria's characters are nearly as charming and have as much personality in them.

Camden Martinez
Camden Martinez

Shigure is completely human
doesn't even use Morgrim's power
can still wipe the floor with Velvet's whole party
Rose is an utter embarrassment to the Rangetsu style. She should go have a training montage in a mountain or something.

Nathaniel King
Nathaniel King

I wonder how the writing staff will go so far to smash Baba's vision of Zesty

Mason Sanders
Mason Sanders

projectile loli delivery service

Brilliant.

Henry Mitchell
Henry Mitchell

Except that wasn't being said user, do you lack reading comprehension?

Jason Turner
Jason Turner

shippers are conflating respect with romantic attachment
Okay.

Wyatt Peterson
Wyatt Peterson

Shigure is completely human
wrong

Josiah Nguyen
Josiah Nguyen

But he is. Morgrim only powerlimits him for training.

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

Argument can be made for it yes. Certainly was my personal fave. Though bias for enjoyment watching Zestiria get fixed after having played the game

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

Wonder how hard Baba's shaking in anger in his cage.

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

The guy is so shameless that he's probably deluded himself into thinking that he made all the changes and that the anime popularity, relatively speaking, is thanks to him.

Benjamin Cooper
Benjamin Cooper

welcome to the new millennia

where there is only two kinds of acknowledgement

one where you care at all that will lead to sex

and one where you dont even know it exist and will lead to sex

Ethan Richardson
Ethan Richardson

sets up armatization for Alisha
with who?

Owen Davis
Owen Davis

Anime-onlyfag detected.

Chase Richardson
Chase Richardson

implying

Christian Long
Christian Long

Why is this even still a discussion when the developers literally said they did not want romance for Sorey because he's pure?

Eli Ortiz
Eli Ortiz

Sexually ambiguous pretty boys don't take rejection well, see Devilman's Ryo Asuka. Hell, Kaworu look butthurt at the after credit scene of 2.22 because his beloved Shinji-kun was hugging a girl and at the next movie the world is destroyed and conveniently Shinji is isolated, coincidence?

Evan Howard
Evan Howard

You must be if you didn't know that only sub lords can use armatization.

Robert Gray
Robert Gray

But Zaveid becomes a sub lord.

John Davis
John Davis

Only after Dezel dies and that's in Rolance.

Jeremiah Rogers
Jeremiah Rogers

No what they said was that Rose and Alisha wouldn't work with him due to their personalities and values being incompatible.

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

While romance is a very fun element in terms of character drama, this time we chose to water it down, or shall we say, put it on the low priority list. We want Sorey to be a character who grew up pure, chasing his dreams about history and ruins. If we put a prurient man-woman relationship in there, it might just upset the direction we want to go with him. Still, ‘Boy Meets Girl’ is still a powerful introduction to a story in the end, so he meets Alisha, and in meeting her learns about the world. However, Alisha is a normal human, and she has to face the reality that she cannot measure up to Sorey. The girl he meets after that, Rose, is less of a 'heroine’ than Sorey’s 'foil’. Mikleo, Lailah and the others would tend to think about their problems the same way as Sorey does, so Rose is the character who views things differently, assisting Sorey who has just learned about his limits from his parting with Alisha. We made her into a character that, at the end of the story, you can see her accepting what Sorey leaves her with, and know that she will certainly continue it and keep it alive.

I don't know it seems like the element of him being pure and there not being romance for that reason is still in there

Ryan Davis
Ryan Davis

Ok I just finished watching the anime. Marathoned it to see the difference from the game.

Hahahaha it's so fucking different I actually thought I was watching a different series.

Colton Jenkins
Colton Jenkins

Still, ‘Boy Meets Girl’ is still a powerful introduction to a story in the end, so he meets Alisha, and in meeting her learns about the world. However, Alisha is a normal human, and she has to face the reality that she cannot measure up to Sorey. The girl he meets after that, Rose, is less of a 'heroine’ than Sorey’s 'foil’. Mikleo, Lailah and the others would tend to think about their problems the same way as Sorey does, so Rose is the character who views things differently,
That's pretty much them explaining what makes the two of them incompatible with him.

There's also
While romance is a very fun element in terms of character drama, this time we chose to water it down, or shall we say, put it on the low priority list. We want Sorey to be a character who grew up pure, chasing his dreams about history and ruins. If we put a prurient man-woman relationship in there, it might just upset the direction we want to go with him.
They're not saying that Sorey can't fall in love all they're saying is that it just won't work with any of the female characters.

Andrew Bailey
Andrew Bailey

There's also this
Once her true nature was revealed, she tried to kill the princess to taint the Shepherd with malevolence
-Maltran's profile Zestiria World of Guidance.

Yeah Alisha really isn't compatible with Alisha.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

Sorey

Liam Phillips
Liam Phillips

muh

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

Sorey wants to make humans and Seraphim live together again
Most of Zestiria is about trying to fix the corrupt human side for this to happen
Berseria reveals that it was the ancient Seraphs who created the malevolence in the first place and cursed humanity with it
There's going to be a third game right? They need to tie this up somehow.

Jaxon Diaz
Jaxon Diaz

Berseria sold worse than Zestiria and positive 2ch comments can't change that

Julian Collins
Julian Collins

Dou...?
Ah! Itte! Ahh, ahh, AHH!
Ittai yo?
Ah~ onegaAH ITTE ITTE ;_;
Madamada hajimenai

Aaron Peterson
Aaron Peterson

Lailah will never crush your balls
why live

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

Stop speaking weeaboean please.

Jace Morales
Jace Morales

Iie

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

Alisha is a beast on bed, huh?

Connor Anderson
Connor Anderson

What's wrong with the last episode? Imo it's as good as any other episodes.

Robert Campbell
Robert Campbell

That isn't even a proper denial to a prompt but rather a denial of a question or statement. The proper response is いや you filthy fucking weeb.

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

lie
what?

Benjamin Lee
Benjamin Lee

Do hellions live human lifespans or are they immortal too?

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

Zestiria's characters (and the OST) were the best part of the game.

Carter Allen
Carter Allen

So they're basically married now, right?

Logan James
Logan James

divorced before the honeymoon

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

;_;

Fuck you, Zestiria.

Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

I can't wait to see more of Zaveid. He's the best boy of Zestiria

Jason Young
Jason Young

They can survive past their natural life span but if they're purified after that they die.

David Scott
David Scott

Alisha is CUTE

Jackson Lopez
Jackson Lopez

They divorce 3 minutes later

Jackson Edwards
Jackson Edwards

Rokurou can't be purified. Even Maotelus couldn't.
He probably just died in battle in between the 1000 years.

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

What's the deal between the two kingdoms? Why are they at war? can't they just have Trade Deals to achieve peace?

Nathan Baker
Nathan Baker

War isn't that much of a big deal when there aren't any firearms and explosives involved and people aren't mowed down in the millions. They probably don't really care that much to not wage war. Plus no international power to stop you from pillaging and plundering.

Gavin Miller
Gavin Miller

The war isn't about trade problems the problem seems to come from simple greed, and religious differences (think Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Church).

Isaac Ortiz
Isaac Ortiz

Actually later in the story you find out that entire villages have been massacred by soldiers. In fact the very battlefield that Sorey was in was a village whose inhabitants got killed off by invading soldiers.

Adrian Jackson
Adrian Jackson

Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Church
There were pretty much no conflict that schizm. Now Protestantism and Chatholicism in the 30 year war however...

Liam Flores
Liam Flores

people so uninformed they literally don't know Baba is actually the producer for the Zesty X anime and he specifically said in an interview with Berseria's producer that he was going to work on X instead of Berseria
Man, Cred Forums's boogiemans are getting more retarded than /v/s'

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

You're right, they are more like the protestants and catholics.

Juan Harris
Juan Harris

entire villages
Yeah, middle ages farm villages with a population with a few hundred at most. No one in the political stage gives a shit about these.
Reminder that we needed a World War 1 that completely wiped out entire demographics of the male population before realizing that war might not be a good thing when modern weapons exist.

Luis Carter
Luis Carter

Baba is actually the producer for the Zesty X anime

Stop lying you cunt.

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

You come across at least 5 of these, and remember in Zestiria world people dying violently creates hellions, in fact that's how the world got filled with malevolence to begin with. Then those hellions go around and kill more people. So the actual death count is much higher.

Gabriel Morris
Gabriel Morris

I want to believe that Rokurou eventually bangs Eleanor.

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

Literally after sex : the face

Carson Lopez
Carson Lopez

They're a medieval culture. Warring is just part of their nature. Alisha is probably the only one in the Hyland brass who seriously wants peace.

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

That filename in combination with these subs: Super extreme lewd

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

Let's fix Alisha
gets impregnated by a fat politician
gets disowned
struggles as a single mother while Sorey & Co are off having fun adventures in ruins

Benjamin Cook
Benjamin Cook

yfw this happens
yfw 1000 years later the result of this is Rose

Lucas Morgan
Lucas Morgan

The anime seriously needs to feature her feet/legs more. They're amazing.

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

This is the face of purity.

Leo Watson
Leo Watson

As of this episode, the game is better than the anime.

The anime
wastes two whole episodes on a different story, making it rushed
makes the MC irrelevant just to shoehorn in the bait waifu from the game
the actual female lead is turned into a side-character less important the new knights
eliminates all moments that were somewhat serious and emotional

At least Mikleo is cute.

Luke Ortiz
Luke Ortiz

I forgot to post a stitch.

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

the actual female lead
?

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

Who's the actual female lead?

Jackson Johnson
Jackson Johnson

But Mikleo is not female.

He's male. Or asexual.

Andrew Sanders
Andrew Sanders

I don't know if Mikleo would be that jealous.

Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

But Mikleo is not female.

Mason Adams
Mason Adams

Alisha was clearly just a "bait and switch" lead. It wouldn't be the first time a Japanese franchise advertised a waifu just to kill her off early (Danganronpa did this with Sayaka, for instance).

Rose was meant to be the female lead, for better or worse. She wasn't perfect - she was a sociopathic nutcase - but it feels wrong to have her written out of the story to this degree.

Mikleo being the main waifu is something else.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

God, Lailah is perfect.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

red hair
strong misguided sense of justice
ends up as shepherd after the story is over
double dagger Rangetsu style
easygoing personality
sociopathic murderer
Might this actually be a thing? I know she's adopted but this can't be a coincidence.

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

Doesn't matter. He's the canon romantic interest.

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

So in terms of age it's?

Zaveid > Lailah > Edna > Dezel > Alisha > Meebo > Sorey

Brayden Barnes
Brayden Barnes

Stupid sexy fish.

Carson Nelson
Carson Nelson

I guess so. Slightly more accurate would be
Zaveid =?= Lailah > Edna >>>>>>>>> Dezel >>>> Alisha > Meebo > Sorey

Caleb Flores
Caleb Flores

Sayaka was a planned "bait and switch" though, to shown you can't trust anyone in a killing game. And certainly not teased nearly as much for multiple years including a very high quality figure. Even Kaede isn't being pushed this much, and neither was the robot naegi which was explicitly mentioned as "might not be protagonist".

Rose was barely mentioned before, and the switch had no story telling purpose at all.

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

how do we know Alisha is older than the homos? and what about Rose?

Nathan Rogers
Nathan Rogers

They said they don't want female romance. Sorey is canonically and explicitly with Mikleo, no argument.

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

I'm not saying the switch was good in the game.

I'm saying Alisha has way more screentime in the anime than she deserves, and right now I prefer how the game handled the story to this point.

Blake Foster
Blake Foster

I'm saying Alisha has way more screentime in the anime than she deserves
How do you measure the screentime deservedness of a character? Did Rose deserve the screentime she got on the game and Alisha didn't as much? Why?

Jason Thomas
Jason Thomas

My point was more why are people arguing about Alisha romance when it was BTFO by the scriptwriter? I think the homos can still be interpreted as platonic but since Rose and Alisha were said by staff to not be love interests why are people still arguing over it?

David Sanchez
David Sanchez

why are people still arguing over it?
There aren't many people arguing about it here. Most of it is just banter. The only ones really fighting over it are buttdevastated tumblrites.

Nathan Clark
Nathan Clark

Did Rose deserve the screentime she got on the game
Nope, just like Alisha doesn't deserve the screentime she got in the anime after the first 6 or so episodes. Ironic how they're in the same ballpark now of deriding the actual protagonist's significance and development now.

My point was more why are people arguing about Alisha romance when it was BTFO by the scriptwriter
The scriptwriter of the game. Anything is subject to be altered in the anime since it's by Ufotable. But yes, there really isn't a need to argue until that happens.

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

Alisha got so much screentime that they couldn't develop the main character and Edna barely appeared at all. That's "too much" for any character.

When it comes to a game, you have like a million skits and small scenes, you have a team you use in battles and run around with them - screentime isn't measured the same way. Just because they're always around doesn't mean they're taking away from someone else's screentime. Alisha was already gone when they shoehorned Rose in.

Brandon Evans
Brandon Evans

Pretty sure an anime staff member said Alisha was like a younger sister actually

Logan Price
Logan Price

Not the anime staff member, it was Sorey's voice actor himself.

Liam Anderson
Liam Anderson

Because hetshitters are delusional. Didn't you learn anything from OnS?

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

They're not really a medieval society, this is a post Renaissance society that lost its technology.

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

Does Baba actually come to Cred Forums to shitpost?

Lincoln Green
Lincoln Green

She was adopted you idiot.

Christian Parker
Christian Parker

Now that Alisha left will S2 be Tales of Rose again?

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

Alisha is one of the protagonists of the anime though, and they had to consider how Alisha is less important for the last 13 episodes when factoring what to give focus in the first 11.

Hunter Taylor
Hunter Taylor

Baba visits both Cred Forums and /v/.

Christian James
Christian James

Just because she was adopted doesn't mean she she popped out of a rock, idiot.

Austin Brown
Austin Brown

the way it's going, probably. i bet the first half will be all about Rose and Dezel.

Bentley Perez
Bentley Perez

Why does Alisha have the best smiles?

Liam Miller
Liam Miller

I would like Alisha more if she didn't have such stupid looking hair

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

This.
The sidetail is stupid.

Jace Walker
Jace Walker

nigga you have shit taste

Hunter Evans
Hunter Evans

Her hair and clothes are stupid looking yet still great.

Joseph Long
Joseph Long

That middle bang floating off to the side like that and the zig zag hair is just too wacky looking

This looks a lot more reasonable

Lincoln Bennett
Lincoln Bennett

Now. Not if they want starting a shitstorm. At best she'll be a side character. Very -very far in the side.

I'm expecting, at most, she'll have short spur where she'll question if she's good enough to live up to Alisha.

Nathan Robinson
Nathan Robinson

She gets put on the bus after this anyway. Next arc will focus more on the seraphs unless they going to have Rose overshadow Sorey like she did in the game which I doubt will happen in the anime.

Matthew Parker
Matthew Parker

Alisha is probably my favorite designed Tales girl in the entire series. Even better all her alternate outfits from the manga, DLC's and random images look fantastic as well.

Isaiah Wood
Isaiah Wood

Something about their faces there truly unnerves me.

Jack Bailey
Jack Bailey

And Mikleo's voice actor in the recent interview too.

Juan Harris
Juan Harris

I haven't seen that one, do you have a link to that?

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

No it just means that she has no connection to the Rangaku style outside of her teacher teaching her the style. As for Eleanor considering her battle style she's more likely to be related to Maltran.

Mason Robinson
Mason Robinson

Saw it online and week ago but I didn't save it. But all the merchandise for the anime puts Sorey with Mikleo, Alisha never gets advertised with Sorey for the anime unless it's a group shot.

Asher Reed
Asher Reed

I don't really believe it either, I just want to have fun.
She can be their figurative daughter.

Evan Myers
Evan Myers

Zestiria was released when the brand was still good and advertisement hype was getting to Tales fans . Which wear off when people played the game and the whole PR scandal happen. Beseria got released in the aftermath of it when slot of tales fan went away and people still are unsure about trusting the tales brand again. Of course it's going to sell less but the reception of it is better then Zestiria.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

So havent had time to watch new episodes yet
but with everyone talking about sorey and alisha, am wondering if the rose-alisha yuri ship still stands?

Nathaniel Sullivan
Nathaniel Sullivan

Yes, Rose is quite desperate to save her princess through the episode. It's just that Sorey is the one actually able to save her.

Elijah Gomez
Elijah Gomez

Yes. She tumbled off a cliff for her princess.

Jacob Sanders
Jacob Sanders

this episode was pretty good for RoseAli too.

you could argue that Rose still saved her because she was the one who went to get Sorey.

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

Homos BTFO.

Samuel Reyes
Samuel Reyes

This was a farewell to Alisha so they wanted everyone to say goodbye to her. Too bad it was hokey as fuck and killed dramatic tension for Sorey.

Chase Parker
Chase Parker

You can still believe that Maltran is their descendant.

Ryder Ward
Ryder Ward

game directed by a Rosefag
anime directed by an Alishafag
What's better?

Christian Campbell
Christian Campbell

the manga made by a fujoshi

Kayden Anderson
Kayden Anderson

Both are shit

Isaiah Robinson
Isaiah Robinson

Anime was, but there are no miracles with the story.

David Richardson
David Richardson

Both of their negatives come from their individual waifu.

Anthony Perry
Anthony Perry

The manga

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

Anime is shorter and thus better by default.

Ryder Rogers
Ryder Rogers

Anime. At least until it completely fucks up thematically like the game.

Alisha may be getting her time in the sun, but the story is bending over backwards to suck her dick.

Only Rose is doing that.

Connor Walker
Connor Walker

Wow fucked that up. Isn't. I meant at least the story isn't bending over backwards to suck her dick.

Colton Murphy
Colton Murphy

This whole post is everything wrong with dumb anime fans and their baggage nowadays

Jaxon Evans
Jaxon Evans

Every Tales discussion somehow ends up coming back to this guy. It's insufferable and mainly just shows how utterly fucked Cred Forums and /v/ are now that they've merged and share their bullshit shitposting material

Robert Johnson
Robert Johnson

Who fucking cares?

Andrew Nguyen
Andrew Nguyen

Baba's a convenient scapegoat. the first Tales game that's shit post-Baba will create a new scapegoat.

Joshua Jackson
Joshua Jackson

Clearly you do when you have to scan the thread for baba posts from hours ago just to meta complain.

Levi Scott
Levi Scott

Lailah doesn't deserve to be forever alone.

Isaac Cruz
Isaac Cruz

first game that's shit post-Baba

Tales Symphonia 2
Eternal Sonata(worth mentioning)
Tales of Hearts
Tales of the World
Tales of fucking Graces
Tales of Xillia 2

Tales of Graces will never unfuck itself from my mind. Holy shit.

The game's producer, Hideo Baba, wanted Asbel's story to portray the need to conform to social guidelines and expectations as one grows up.[16] Through Asbel's conflict on succeeding his father's Lordship or following his dreams as a Knight, Baba wanted the players to understand the importance in protecting what is important to them and to follow through with their own path and dreams.

The only reason Lambda suddenly became a good guy and Emeraude turned into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain out of blue was because of this bullshit. Can you imagine how that went down?

everything's looking good in the writing department, about to wrap everything up
suddenly Baba bursts in demands they completely re-write Emeraude and Lambda at the last second
"Also Asbel needs to have a sharingan"

Ethan Nelson
Ethan Nelson

Zaveid would probably be willing.

Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

Forgot my image.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

Eternal Sonata
i know some people liked that game but holy shit i thought it was such a chore to play.

Alexander Gonzalez
Alexander Gonzalez

Graces story was beyond fucking retarded but the battle system was fun co-op

Tyler Scott
Tyler Scott

Yeah I agree with that. It's fucking suffering. The story brings me to a complete stop everything time I think of replaying it.

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

I find it hilarious that his career started with Death by Degrees.

Asher Flores
Asher Flores

Sorey knew Mikleo would be alright when he left and let him go
Sorey knew Alisha was alright in the war but went malevolence anyway
You can't make this up

Brody Cook
Brody Cook

when you put it that way it seems worse... though Mikleo turned out to be fine while that guy did nearly kill Alisha, even if she did get better.

Joshua Allen
Joshua Allen

What is the equivalent of a jew in these games?

Brayden Taylor
Brayden Taylor

Rose and her Sparrow Feathers, duh

Benjamin Powell
Benjamin Powell

It was a real OOC moment for Sorey, and stupid too because Landon came right the fuck out of nowhere for no other purpose but to make characters fall over themselves for Alisha. In that episode she became just like Rose in the games.

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

Everyone agrees that Alisha is the best, so shut your trap.

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

Anime Alisha is shit, she's just like Game Rose. Story bends over backwards for them and even force MC to play second fiddle to her.

Nicholas Martinez
Nicholas Martinez

Anime Alisha is the underdog who seeks peace in a world of war. That makes her interesting. I won't shit on Rose because the games because it was an obvious pandering in part of Baba, so it's not the character fault.

Sorey is a good character and all, but he's simple and pure. There's no much to explore there aside the things he will experiment through his adventures.

You're just mad because they hinted an Alisha/Sorey ship. Take it easy, no one is going to take your homo shipping, fujo.

Jonathan Ross
Jonathan Ross

She got focus but she didn't really do anything extraordinary though. She conquered Rose, but in the end even the battle was stopped thanks to Rose (though her sacrifice probably affected the morale of the knights favorably to stopping). Sorey just rushed to heal her, which he would for any of the characters.

Oliver Williams
Oliver Williams

any of the zestiria characters
good
What?

Gabriel Jones
Gabriel Jones

There's no much to explore there
not the user you replied to, but they cut out one of the MOST interesting moments that Sorey had this last episode and replaced it with Alisha stuff. by having him hold his own against Heldalf and not having his resonance get cut off, now we'll never get to see his reaction to not being able to perceive seraphim. for someone who was raised in a seraphim village, with a seraphim best friend, with close ties to seraphim due to his role as the Shepherd, losing his resonance even temporarily would have been a huge shock. but they took that scene out and replaced it with boring action and more Alisha stuff.

Adrian Brooks
Adrian Brooks

I just want a scene where Edna shows her barefeet

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

In game canon, why did he lose his resonance to kittybeard?

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

She got focus but she didn't really do anything extraordinary though.
So instead of being a Badass Sue, she's just the Damsel Sue. Only a different in role, but not a difference at all at how both Anime Alisha and Game Rose took away from Sorey's character arc and altered themes and motivations.

By replacing Sorey's moment of losing resonance for him to go apeshit over Alisha, she stripped him from a valuable moment of retrospection. The realization that his dream is nothing without his being special.

It's no better than how Rose took the kill for Sorey against the medusa when he could've used that as valuable experience for theme of mercy killing.

Dominic Williams
Dominic Williams

Anime Alisha was only there for two things, for you to pity her and to look cool. But how many of her scenes actually fucking accomplished anything. Thing is Alisha suffering is actually pointless case in point manga Alisha. Manga Alisha was infintely better than both anime and game Alisha she could get you to root for her without needing to invoke any pity. For instance that scene of her uselessly going into the camp and demanding Landon stand down never fucking happened. Because manga Alisha gets time where she sits contemplates and realizes that she can't help anybody by simply being a knight and that she has to embrace her role as a princess and a politician, and that's why she ends her squire pact and separates from Sorey. There was no need of any forced drama caused by her doing something stupid and almost getting killed. That made me respect her more than anime Alisha ever did.

Actually there is a lot to explore with Sorey, but you can't tell that in the anime or game, because they put all their all effort into either Rose or Alisha, and spare very little time on actually making sure that Sorey's story is decent, he has a lot of story potential but neither the anime or the games really takes the reigns for it, though the game actually gave Sorey a more compelling story than anime Sorey at this point, because he was allowed to be himself. To make matters worse they took away what would have been a tense moment that would set the stakes for Sorey's mission and built tension and replaced them with another pity party for Alisha. They anime bent over backwards for her.

Same old tired fucking ad honemine from an Alishafag, but that's normal for you guys at this point, if you point out anything negative about Alisha you must be a homo shipper or a Rosefag.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

kittybeard's domain blew him the fuck out because it was much bigger and stronger and paralyzed Sorey's own resonance, or something like that.

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

There's a brief moment in Berseria of Edna barefoot.

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

link? where is that?

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

It wasn't really about Sorey being special it made him realize the importance of resonance and that if he wanted to achieve his dream he had to find some way of expanding it.

Camden Harris
Camden Harris

1.To build tension and make Kitty Beard look threatening.
2. To show that Sorey still had much to learn.
3. Because Kitty Beard was just that strong.

John Bell
John Bell

That's what I meant, I didn't elaborate. My his being 'special' I was referring to his resonance, as he is the only human he knows that has it and it's the one thing he probably takes for granted since it's been with him for his life.

By losing his resonance, the anime could've expanded on what the game didn't (Sorey gets them back too quickly ingame) and had a great cliffhanger, but they soiled it for Alishafagging.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

Don't get your hopes up, as I said its brief.

youtube.com/watch?v=xbT5vh9pjP4

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

I appreciate it none the less though, thank you very much

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

It also helped to introduce Maotelus the concept of domains, and explains how to expand them and the effect they can have on an area.

Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

LMAO people here defending Rose in Zestiria. Holy shit.

Even defending Baba's stupid shenanigans because they see that Alisha suddenly has some spotlight compared to the game.

There's a reason why your favorite producer has been "promoted" you fucks.

He even tried to worm his way into Berseria by "suggesting" to the team that Velvet shouldn't go through with her revenge. Good fucking thing no one listened to him.

Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

Are you illiterate, no one is defending game Rose people are just saying that both her and anime Alisha are shit.

Asher Flores
Asher Flores

Yeah I agree, I liked that anime alisha was cooler and could actually do shit but she has way too much focus in the anime

Angel Rogers
Angel Rogers

Rose is the same shit in the game as in the anime.

Alisha got her needed stuff in the anime so she isn't shit.

The only reason you fucks are but mad about Alisha in the show is because she has focus when she actually should have because she's the fucking heroine anyway.

"What the fuck why is Alisha suddenly getting focus? It shouldn't be this way. Yeah she's cool now, but why does she get screentime?"

Goddamn you stupid fucks. That's how you fucks sound.

Asher Scott
Asher Scott

they actually went too far with trying to fix her. i can't believe it. Zestiria is always doomed to suck, i guess.

Austin Ward
Austin Ward

I guess it's just unfixable garbage

Adam Carter
Adam Carter

Look at the Alishafag.

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

Game has good shit and bad shit
Manga has good shit and bad shit
Anime has good shit and bad shit
The perfect Zestiria is the one we make ourselves by picking the pieces we like.

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

It's fixable but not in the hands of waifufags.

Jeremiah Lewis
Jeremiah Lewis

Maybe you could if you listed the good and bad shit from each

Carter James
Carter James

Your taste, for example.

Daniel Nelson
Daniel Nelson

My taste is both the good shit and the bad shit?

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

anime Alisha are shit

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher

t. Asshurt Alishafag

Can you read user? I'm saying the perfect Zestiria is whatever the fuck you liked from each version because all of them have good/bad elements.

Jayden Green
Jayden Green

This, basically. Alisha needed more screentime simply because of how badly the game fumbled her. Second cour will most likely have much less of her.

Connor Sanders
Connor Sanders

I hope Rose gets called out again for being a sociopath. She already did get called out but it seems she still does not understand why.

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

Anime Alisha is pretty good, it would be interesting to see her like that without being still somewhat tied to the original story.

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

But they ended up giving her too much screen time for what little she actually did.

Isaac White
Isaac White

Without her it was just the story of a guy who happens to be the chosen one aimlessly beating the hellion of the week until episode 12.

She is the bridge between that legendary journey and the actual country/world they were in.

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

Which would have been good if the anime put any modicum of effort into telling Sorey's tale.

80% of Alisha's screen time was her being fucking useless for sympathy porn.

Lucas Kelly
Lucas Kelly

Well no shit. The problem was simply they gave too much and it fucked up shit in the process.

I'd rather you go fap to the nonexistent doujins of Alisha instead of just typing bullshit like that here, user.

Andrew Campbell
Andrew Campbell

If they can't properly tell Sorey's tale it's not exactly Alisha's tale fault. If you mean in terms of screentime, there is more than half of the story time still missing with her part mostly already built for the eventual final payoff in story terms.
Is that supposed to be an argument?

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Middle portion of the show barely had any Alisha. I don't get how the whole show is ruined just because she had a heavy role in the last few episodes.

Parker Turner
Parker Turner

That's because she suddenly gets screentime compared to the game. And people who like Rose don't like it, especially when Alisha BTFO Rose's arguments.

People make a big deal about her getting screentime when she will have almost none by the next season.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

It is even they're wasting the time and effort that they should be spending on Sorey on Alisha being useless.

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

It's good because someone got development: understood her limitations, became less useless over time and will now work the way she can to solve the actual problem of the series, which is the overall shitty life in the country mass producing malevolence.

Landon Myers
Landon Myers

The only episodes where she wasn't there being fucking useless as usual was episode 8 the best one of the bunch and episodes 5 and 6 which were Berseria episodes.

The real problem with her is the finale. An event that should have been filled with tension and a turning point in Sorey's journey which also would have added stakes and tension to his tale was trashed for Alishafagging.

No matter how much you try to excuse it they had no reason to sacrifice the main story for her own stupid actions.

Christian Rogers
Christian Rogers

because Sorey's part of the story has been boring as shit until now, and the Glaivend basin part was supposed to be HIS moment, but it got turned into more Alisha stuff instead.

Easton Bailey
Easton Bailey

Rosefags to the rescue!

Stop going in circles and just say that you guys hated how Alisha just btfo your sociopath.

Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

i-it's okay if they sacrifice the moment that was supposed to be the turning point in the MC's story just to kiss the ass of a character who was acting like an idiot and wasn't even supposed to be there in the first place
Alishafags everyone

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

you don't like Alisha, y-you must be a Rosefag
Typical Alishafag that's why you are just as bad as Rosefags

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

Are all (character-name)fags cancerous?

William Brooks
William Brooks

wasn't even supposed to be there in the first place
Who decides that is the scriptwriter. The anime already deviated from the original long before, but you can still replay that version if you prefer.

David Turner
David Turner

T-the anime is it's own thing so you can't criticize it!!11
Try harder

Tyler Adams
Tyler Adams

She wasn't supposed to be at the camp in the first place and was a fucking idiot for even going despite the fact that she has no authority over the soldiers. The entire event lost its tension because of her.

Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

You can criticize it, but you also have to consider the continuity within it and not external to it.

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

Yeah but Rose and Alishafags are the worst. They don't care about the actual quality of the story so long as their waifu stands out.

Owen Hall
Owen Hall

We did but it's obvious that you didn't.

Ryan Morris
Ryan Morris

She had a plan, got there too late and made a desperate attempt which happened to succeed, even if by "luck".

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

Within the anime plot she was supposed to be there then.

Matthew Sanders
Matthew Sanders

Yeah her plan was to order the general that she had zero authority over mind you, to not go into battle. Excellent plan, or worked wonders didn't?

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

She was going to block the access, which was useless when the battle already started when she got there.

Andrew King
Andrew King

Actually she fucking wasn't, she was useless once again for no other reason than to get pity.