Ok, so you can't ban guns because of the constitution, and you can't take guns away from people...

>Yeah because the one thing criminals have in common is following the law

Sure, gang members don't give a fuck. But other people will think twice if getting caught with an illegal gun gets you 2 years in jail.

Kys

>Make people take a class and pass a test before they can get a gun. Make this retroactive. Anyone who has a gun without this kind of licence gets a massive fine.
>Only gun stores and the state can buy and sell guns. You can always sell your guns, but just not to other private citizens.
>Guaranteed jail time for illegal weapons.
These are the only points that make sense in your post, especially the first one. The rest only penalizes legal gun owners and accomplishes next to nothing in terms of additional security

>rights don't come from government but from God

Where does it say in the bible "thou shalt be able to carry an ar-15"

...I'm pretty sure you guys get your own heaven, with free double wide parking, a shooting range and free soda refills. No black people allowed.

Unless the person that buys said illegal gun carries it around like a dumb faggot this is completely redundant

So only gang members will be armed and will usher in a reign of terror on the law-abiding unarmed?
Like in Mexico?

How fucking retarded

Our leftists here have been trying these sort of tricks for nearly a century when it comes to guns.
You're being the same sort of conniving Jew playing tricks, that any rent-seeking crook with a big bag of money you probably despise in your head can think up, to turn it into a bigger bag of money off the public swine trough, from the city level to the national. You're a sneak. People are on to your sort of bullshit. It's not honest and it's very vile.

>. The rest only penalizes legal gun owners and accomplishes next to nothing in terms of additional security

The point is to discourage gun ownership.

Forgot to add that the one key point that is missing from this debate is gun registration: create a central register for gun owners andkeep it up to date if a weapon is sold. This way you could also be allowed to sell to private citizens since it's up to the seller to verify that the buyer is licensed to buy a gun.
This would keep legal gun off of shitskins and gangbangers, thus allowing to separete between crime committed by legal and livecensed owners (which is very low) and crime committed by mentally ill shitskins that by guns illegally.
It is a good way of silencing gun grabbers

The need of tests and livensing already discourages 90% of it. That's how it works in France and we have relatively low crime rate compared to the numbers of shitskins we have. And most of the gun crime is made with illegal weapons.

Mexico is fucked because the cartels own the police and the local government. That's not the case in the US.

you think an ar-15 is bad? the 2nd amendment refers to all armaments that a contemporary infantry would possess. that means bazookas, grenades, tanks and anti-aircraft missiles.

We have a compulsory gun registry in Australia.

There are currently more guns than ever.
Illegal firearm ownership has been growing consistently.

Gun registry hasn't done shit.

>Gun registry hasn't done shit.

You don't have mass shootings every other day, and your gun crime statistics are low, so it's done something.

What about people who have had their firearms rights taken away? Are they still unalienable? Genuine question because I got mine taken away at 17 and want to find a way to get them restored.

No, that was jefferson's little addition that he snuck in while many of the other founding fathers were preoccupied with actual nation-building. It was a french, liberal idea to prescribe "God-given rights" to people. They believed in universal/natural rights. Franklin and the rest were anglican conservatives and believed that it was the law which gave people rights. And thank God for them becuase they were the one's smart enough to make the bill of rights from common english law - which arose only from many centuries of refinement and debate.

This is a fucking political board and y'all don't even know how our laws and rights were created. Traditional liberalism and traditional conservatism both believed in individual freedom, but the liberal school of thought was that liberty was somehow self-evident and simply needed to be laid out and the conservative philosophy was that liberty arose only from common agreements (laws) amongst a group of people.

Sage these threads anons. They are all shill threads that serve no purpose here.

>make guns and ammo really expensive

I’ll take “WHAT IS FREE MARKET 101” Alex?

That's a problem with porous borders that is happening in Europe as well.
The point of a gun registry is that it allows to distinguish between crime committed by responsible legal owners and crime committed by idiots that bought a gun off of some random shitskin in a parking lot.
It' doesn't stop crime, but it shuts up people that want to use crime as an excuse to take legally owned guns

Also: fuckin check those digits.

...you have state taxes, right? Things don't cost the same depending on where you buy them?

So you have a 500% state tax on guns.

Fingerprint scanners on all guns.

In the hands of an unregistered user, it becomes useless.

>Especially rifles like the AR15.
people would just buy the next ergonomic semi-auto rifle. although the main reason people like it is that it looks like what everyone uses in the movies

Okay but for real I would like to know where 2nd ammendent advocates get the idea that the right to bear arms is a right from god. I'm not being funny I genuinely would like to know.

...only crazy people think that.

Nice pic. Terrible, lame premise. Completely unfamiliar with our system of governance and politics. Stick to what you know, not what you think you know.

The instant such a thing is proposed then every gun lobby group and gun manufacturer ever will be front and center to derail it. Guns are a huge business in the US and messing with that will get a reaction.

I don't know, kike. Go spew your masturbatory fantasy somewhere else.

The concept of unalienable rights predates parking lots and soda refills, but the American Revolution started when the Redcoats crossed the Concord bridge to confiscate the colonists weapons. In American history classes, we refer to it as "the shot heard 'round the world." The people who love this country and upon what it was founded will not tolerate our unalienable rights being taken from us. To a lot of well armed people, including police and military, that would be the end of our government's legitimacy.

no one cares what you think you cuck-spacing plebbit fag

Yeah, obviously that's the biggest problem. I have no idea how you could get rid of the gun lobby.

Sage Sage Sage Sage Sage

You can't. Thank god for that. The free market works.

>Make guns and ammo really expensive. Especially rifles like the AR15.

The government to interfere with free markets?

>Make people take a class and pass a test before they can get a gun. Make this retroactive. Anyone who has a gun without this kind of licence gets a massive fine.

Knife class & license incoming. Also there is such a thing as prohibitive legislation, which can be argued is a constitution violation.

>Only gun stores and the state can buy and sell guns. You can always sell your guns, but just not to other private citizens.

Interfere with free markets?

>Limit the number of guns a person can have. If that's unconstitutional, limit the number of guns you can buy in a year. You can buy all the guns you want, but just one a year.

Violation.

>Additional tax for gun owners. Or tax breaks for people who don't have guns.
Do not tax Americans on bullshit. 1776 will commence.

To all the other posters, I apologize for this Balk idiot. He's probably a serb.

SHALL

>the first sentence in the declaration of independence was "snuck in."

Hey Reddit... STOP BUMPING SHILL THREADS

>waaaaahhh stop ruining my Nazi safespace with opposing opinions!!!!!

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literally all of this has been covered in consitutional law, and more.

SAGE

You're operating under an incorrect assumption. I won't have an argument under a false premise, and instead will leave you with this:

SHALL

Nah, Cred Forums is just an alternative hugbox.

We call each other nasty names, but really we all love each other and hate on libtards together. It's the most honest form of love.

Great idea, ask Hillary to do it.

In 2024.

It isn't a privilege granted by the government, it's a right GUARANTEED by the Constitution. The Founding Fathers said so themselves after they kicked your sorry asses back across the pond.

stop trying to infringe.
understand word infringe.

i can make a gun idiot. i can use a propane tank some hose a lead pipe and a jar of marbles and make a machine gun/backpak that will str8t fuk your shit up. quit being tarded.

every lil incremental slap at gun rights is gonna be repaid hard tenfold so plz continue adding to the total of your teeth i'm gonna pull.

fuck off kys and eat a dick comfag

That's that Paige bisch from that 'tarded gunsmoke gunshop show, correct? The bitch with the giraffe neck?

We just did this for eight years under Obama. 5,000 + pieces of legislation & you got 0 passed.

Fucking ZERO.

None of this will happen.

And another thing, SAGE.

I know that a lack of Jesus and the issues/principals you both allude to are what ails society the most.

That said, replace the FBI with a non-corrupt, non-politicized actual Nationwide crime fighting org. that tries to stop shootings, as opposed to creating politically convenient ones, is also needed on a practical level to stop shootings going forward.

The FBI, as it is currently constructed and how it operates, is not only a terrorist org. as it presently operates but, it is THE biggest threat to innocent lives here in the US.
I would have never dreamed such things were even possible 5+ years ago as I was a naive normie who let others do the critical thinking for me and now my eyes are open and the horrors I see before me are downright devastating.

Hey lets infringe.
fuck You.
SAGE

Fuck you op. From my cold, dead, hands.

We Americans own guns, Who is going to personally knock on my door and request me to hand over my guns? Better send a few people you don't care about. Won't be local law enforcement. They can't keep guns away from the criminals. Gonna send the Feds? Best send a few. So who wants to die at my front door....then the house next door,,,and the next house.... see where this goes. We do not intend to lay down our arms to anyone.

...somewhere a bald eagle just had an orgasm

The abundance of guns isn't the problem. The problem is forcing a bunch of kids who hate each other to keep spending time with each other day after day after day.

Then consider why they will not go for registering every printer, every written note, every item in a house or business. Then, is abortion a right that they must register? Tattoos? Gun registries are a sick attempt to enslave Americans. Those who pursue this are slavers.

So, you have registration and gun control, yet there is crime with illegal firearms??? How does that happen in progdom? I thought that registration was a serious matter... looks like criminals dont care about the law. fancy that.

This is not workable. What if you need your firearm RIGHT NOW, and it decides it needs to reboot? Not just NO, but HELL NO.

>make guns and ammo really expensive that will work

why do libtards REPEATEDLY fail basic economic understanding? It's exhausting discussing real-world situations with you fucking retards.

>government intervenes in the marketplace
>create giant price bubble
>market responds
>black market develops and supplies the demand at lower cost while making bank

Its the fucking drug-war all over again.

Are you dense? Oh, just British I see. Rights are recognized by the government, not granted by the government. if the government grants you a "right", it is actually a privilege which is revocable. The people predated the govt. It is in the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Suggestions.

How about we make solar panels, trannie operations, hybrid cars and chardonnay really expensive? Add to the urban property taxes until the progs are homeless... how about that? If guns become expensive, than all pozz lifestyle choices must become prohibitively expensive. See how this works?

You seem to not comprehend that Hitler was a gun grabbing freak. Grabbed the guns of his opponents before making them into oven stuffers. It seems to me like you want to lay the groundwork to stuff my people into ovens. Talking about it is a lot easier than doing. And no, you cannot have them.

None of these things actively kill people on a daily basis. How the fuck is there even a comparison?

>You cannot control the entire country.

Nazis did just fucking that and if not the retarded "let's attack USSR" plan, the whole Europe would be goose stepping and serving German overlords.

Why are you replying to me, habibi, I'm pro-gun and market.

yep. her daddy went to jail for FFL license violations. redneck retards.

she's just your standard issue instagram thot now

You don’t focus on the cost of ownership. You increase costs on the use.

First no open or concealed carry in public areas; make it a hefty fine and criminal offence for repeat offenders. You can buy the gun, but can you afford to after? Market is not an issue. Plus, If you’re carrying, and not a cop, you’re a presumed bad guy and the cops responds immediately and with force. Carrying is a presumed threat, reducing that threat is in the interests of public safety.

Also hefty registration fees. If you’re not registered even bigger fees. And once registered, weapons can be traced. no registration, immediate confiscation. No serial number, immediate confiscation.

ban bullets

ammunition is technology of the 1880s. it's entirely plausible for individuals to manufacture their own from start to finish. most serious shooters construct their own ammo from components at a significant fraction of what factory stuff costs. the only thing remotely complicated is the chemistry involved with making gun powder, but you can bet your ass that it would get figured out fairly quickly in the event of some kind of ban.

no tinfoil hat here

Threadly reminder that the vast majority of homicides by firearm are done with handguns and the ONLY reason to ban modern sporting rifles is to subjugate the population.

Then it sounds as if their lives played out damn near exactly as one would have guessed, it seems. LoL!!

I wonder if "Step-Mommy bolt-ons" stuck with our hero, big shot after the $$$ and her snizzach dried up and the law came sniffing around? I am gonna guess "no" but am off to see if I am right, 2xLoL!

Don't break the law? As long as it was a non violent felony or if you got your brain in proper working order after a being committed you can appeal to have your rights restored.

>Make it so only rich elitists can have guns. Criminals are still armed to the teeth.

>Such a class would only reduce accidents. It will in no way prevent crime.

>Well look here, the Yuropoor solved the drug war crisis... oh wait, it's unenforceable bullshit.

>More random bullshit that will not effect crime at all.

>More elitism and predatory laws that make life harder for the poor, low income and middle class while criminals remain heavily armed.

>It's already the fucking law.

Stay in Yurop, fucktard.

I agree with everything you said but our real problem is a culture promoting hate through the media and incompetent law makers. I don't trust my government to protect me and I don't trust them to make common sense decisions. See; fast and furious Eric Holder and Assault rifle ban

>being this retarded.
You can't ban guns because of the constitution. Period. You remove the 2nd amendment will cause a constitutional crises. Its contentious enough to break the union

Worry about your shithole countries you fucking gossipy housewife niggers!

It’s always some faggot foreigner posting against guns.

Good, now lets do the same thing for voting.
Only those making 200k and up per year can vote.

>usa is WASP
>WASP believe in god
>god is above country
>guns are granted to us from god

Its a circular line of thinking

Check retard. News flash: it already is.

Why should I give a shit what Croatia thinks about my rights?
>In the fields it goes.

A meme flaggot expertly debunked this. Don't bother looking at it, it's debunked. He must know what he is talking about for he used a meme flag.

Marjory Stoneman Douglas was famous for her efforts in not wanting to “drain the swamp”, the Everglades

Kek. Having a gun doesn't stop the cops from swatting you

Look it up.

First gun control act was passed when Black Panthers were arming themselves in '68.

Look it up. KKK Democrats started Gun Control.

nytimes.com/2016/01/07/opinion/gun-control-and-white-terror.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Stop trashing white men

Dbl chk

nothing to see here folks
just libs using feral nigs to scare the decent folk again

Tell that to Seth Rich’s Family.

You mean like a kind of prohibition for guns?

NOT

>Guaranteed jail time for illegal weapons.
But that's racist

Or we could just ban white men

FUCK YOU NIGGER

>160941434

This is indeed a legitimate line of thinking. Read the federalist Papers, the founders did think this

ITT: yuropoors ignoring their own history of having guns taken away from them, only to have a dictator take control of their country while they couldn't do anything about it except be good boys and stfu

HHNHHHHHGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MUH DICK

Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

shall not

How about, instead...

No, and

Fuck you.

Refraining the issue as a public health crisis is some of the most evil bullshit ever. Governments should be scared of their armed citizenry, period.

Eurofags don't get what rights means before they don't have it. If you can do it with one right, you can do it with the other.
>Make people take a class and pass a test before they can get a gun

Make people take a class and pass the test before they can vote.
Make people take a class and pass the test before they can speak freely.

Joel 3:10
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, “I am a warrior.”

> just raise the white man's tax burden even more
Fuck you, nigger.

Says someone who has been protected by white men her whole life. Roastie detected.

I got it! Let's making murder illegal! That will surely solve the problem you stupid faggot.

>Make people take a class and pass a test before they can get a gun
i have a better idea, make people take a class and pass a test before they can vote.
see how that works? the 2A is not a privilege, it's a right, same as voting or freedom of speech.

Nice quads

Making it harder to kill people is a good thing. How many foetuses are killed each day in the US? Making performing abortions illegal isn't going to prevent all abortions but it will stop a lot of them. Same with weapons and firearms.

>guaranteed jail time for illegal weapons

this is the only thing i agree with. They sort of implemented this in some nog infested city with high gun crime under the program "Project Exile." Basically it threw the book at any criminals charged with illegal possession of a firearm. They faced like 25+ years in maximum federal prison. In just one year gun homicide dropped dramatically. I'm going to fuck up the statistic, but it was wither 60% or 80% in just one year. Problem is, libshits and black activists chimped out and called it racist for "targeting blacks." Obviously this is a blanket law that is applied evenly, but blacks just commit the overwhelmingly majority of gun crime so naturally they are affected the most. This is why nothing will ever change or be fixed, because any effective programs or legislation will disproportionately effect blacks and hispanics due to their tendencies and it will be labelled as targeting and discrimination. fucking ethnostate now please. just let us get away from all the filth and be left alone

Imagine a passed law that no one followed, considering New York's SAFE Act is a "success" with an eighty-percent NON-COMPLIANCE rate...!
>My almonds are activated.

>Make guns and ammo really expensive. Especially rifles like the AR15.

This was tried in the State of Connecticut after Newtown. Guess what happened? A huge chunk of the population ignored it, including a massive number of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs). The State scrambled to pass legislation for an amnesty period to encourage the owners of "assault" rifles to register. That didn't work either.

No.

You are crazy

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I disagree. Let them spend their time and money arguing with us. If they are here arguing, they will be doing nothing productive. Plus it helps a few anons form coherent arguments against their desire to strip gun rights away from law abiding citizens

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There needs to be serious discussions with classifications based on color. Clearly there is bias.
#BlackRiflesMatter

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED =
- No attempting to tax or make absurdly expensive in an attempt to use economic pressure to stifle their rights
- No creating 'tests' to determine if someone can enjoy their rights or not
- No restriction on the private purchase, sale, construction, or gifting of arms in an attempt to limit access to the tools necessary to exercise their rights
- No restriction on how much you can purchase in an effort to limit how effective exercising their rights can be
- NO JAIL TIME FOR THE EXERCISING OF INALIENABLE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS

This guy gets it.

It would be like saying "You have freedom of speech but hate speech is illegal, you need to have a government license to speak in public places, you cannot speak in public outside the hours of 9 to 5, and speech critical of the government can only be in regards to homosexual marriage policies."

Okay, Why don't you just mind your own business like the Euros who don't make me feel ashamed to be one myself? You're a dickwad like any other holier than thou Euro. I'm sure you support taking in the migrants too.

>Plus, If you’re carrying, and not a cop, you’re a presumed bad guy and the cops responds immediately and with force.

So your brilliant idea is to prevent gun violence with more gun violence. Got it. You moron.

>just becuase its against the law to take away peoples guns doesnt mean you can use sneaky extra judicial means of circumventing the law to strip people of their rights. Join the rest of the world.

Chirst euros are pathetic

everything you suggest is an infringement
thank you for identifying yourself as an enemy of the constitution that we are all sworn to defend against.

Similar to tests in order to vote, such measures would be quickly shot down by the US Supreme Court. It's not an easy matter to stomp all over constitutionally protected rights in the US.

Liberals only hope is getting rid of the 2nd Amendment entirely. Good luck getting 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment to nullify our right to bear arms. Maybe someday our citizens will be sufficiently cucked and it will happen, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that it could happen in today's climate, no matter how many kids are killed. The best they can hope for is another pointless "salt weapon" ban.

thats exactly what people who have been buying ar-15s for years are betting on.

Personally I would accept a trade of the 15th and 19th amendments for repealing the second