Why does fascism collapse whenever it's actually tried? It has a worse track record than Marxist-Leninist states...

Why does fascism collapse whenever it's actually tried? It has a worse track record than Marxist-Leninist states, they at minimum stayed in power far longer

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SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB CHINK

stop undermining the west you stupid insect cocksucker, take off your larp flag i dare you

Chile is probably the most livable country in SA because they don't have to deal with being a post-communist shithole though.

Since when was Japan fascist?

Spain just changed government.

You're a maniac. Sounds like you need a breather, log off for 30 minutes before you come back

No it doesn't.
Fascism can only be brought down from overwhelming outside force, Fascism CAN'T fail on it's own.
>Spain
>Portugal
>Chile
Did exactly what Fascism is supposed to do, safeguard the country from internal subversives till democracy can be restored.
While Communism ALWAYS fails.

Hereditary Imperialism is the same as Fascism in their feeble brains.

He is right though in the fact that Fascism is an ideology that collapses under the weight of it's own unrealistic expectations though. And fast too, compared to other forms of government.

Fascism turns into an Orwellian nightmare that breeds rebellion and civil war all on it's own, pal.

Fuck you!
I'm Portuguese and we still love Salazar.

if success rate was the only way to judge an ideology, then why is Monarchism so frowned upon outside of countries that aren't already monarchies?

The inclusion of the Kuomintang flag in this pic triggers me the fuck out. Does the guy who made this pic not know that Taiwan exists? And that it's been a much better place to live than mainland China since 1949? Fucking moronic

since when getting nuked twice means collapsing under it's own weight?
muh expansionistic policies had existed since ever and are not exclusively fascist

Fascism here was a total success. Franco turned a middle ages country into a first world power. Now we have the GDP per capita than Japan and way higher GDP per capita per hour aka productivity. Thanks Fascism!!

*We have the same gdp per capita*

cause the kikes always shut it down

Lol, Fascism DID NOT fail in any of those countries. And especially so, in Portugal, Spain, and Chile. If any of those countries was as big as the US, they'd still be fascist up to this day.

thank you Fraquitop!

fucking kek
>Fascism turns into an Orwellian nightmare
Every state does. Britain isn't fascist, it's Orwellian. US isn't fascist, it's Orwellian. These are supposedly the freest countries in the world. It's illegal to deny the fucking holocaust in some non fascist european states. But yea fascism is so totalitarian.
>breeds rebellion and civil war all on it's own
That's retarded. A single ideology doesn't breed rebellion or civil war. Opposing ideologies do. Fascism never breeds these things, sides that oppose fascism do. That said, literally ever and all states have opposing ideologies.The US had a damn civil war. It's not only fascism you just choose to only look at it when it is.

Starting a war you can't win because of 'muh bushido' is a pretty strong example of an ideology sabotaging itself.

Also the firebombings of Tokyo killed more people than the nukes combined.

>Brazil
>Fascist

The Integralistas never ruled and Vargas purged them.

>the imperialists are why the USSR failed

>Fascism failed in Portugal
Kek

>Fascism can only be brought down from overwhelming outside force, Fascism CAN'T fail on it's own.

In Portugal it was defeated by inside, not outside. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution

All the leaders were midgets. If you take away a person's individual identity, the last thing they'd want to do is worship a fucking midget.

Didn't Chile's, Spain's, and Portugal's fascistic governments peacefully transform themselves into democratic governments when they accomplished the goals they set out to achieve?

Same with Japan, where the IJA ensign is used instead of the state flag (which hasn't been changed since Japan formed in the 1800's)

Fascism is the idea of a very few people getting to dictate what is and isn't the 'standard' for societal living. This breeds a culture of extreme corruption and isolationism. Two things that will degenerate into civil conflicts large and small, regardless of outside influence.

Couple this with the fact that fascism requires constant military expansion to in order to deflate these internal pressures and you have recipe for endless war.

It's a failed ideology and no amount of 'but muh Spain or 'but muh Chile' will change that FACT.

Why don't you include the Roman Empire, or the British Empire? Or the Chinese Empire?
Anyways communism for non western-Europeans is more about hierarchy than destroy hierarchy. Chinks and Russian communists (not Jews) were seeking for a new feudal lord to rule over them, they're genetically ultra-authoritarian and hierarchical born to be slaves or slave masters.

Not really, many people died and they were fought constanly.

It's because it wasn't real fascism. Real fascism has never been tried

Portugal had a non-violent revolution, but the other two transitioned through normal legal means.

>Chile 1974-1990
Pinochet was a neoliberal kike puppet

>Communist backed
Yeah no.

That's nonsense. You are basing your opinion on Marxist propaganda.

Chile never went to war against anyone.

Spain had a civil war, send some troops to help the Germans, and then after WW2 had zero wars.

Portugal had to fight wars in their African colonies, because of US and Soviet intrusion in their affairs, otherwise they would have had no wars either.

FASCISM ROCKS! IT TAKES AN ARMY OF JEW SHEEP TO TAKE IT DOWN!

Fascism is only destroyed if people try to destroy it. I’m sure you already know this though and have nothing else to do with your time other than >troll le Cred Forums, you pathetic worm.

Many of those countries are not facist. However it is true that while facism's obsession with strong leaders is a strength it is also a weaknes as facist states almost always collapse once the original leader dies.

Chile is the most livable because they have a ton of copper. End of story.

>Starting a war you can't win because of 'muh bushido' is a pretty strong example of an ideology sabotaging itself.
sounds just like japan throughout history, the only difference this time was technology
what about you starting a war with mexico and annexed everything from Texas to California, if you lost and now the whole us territory were split between the British and Mexican empire, could you blame democracy?

>what is a king

No it doesn't you dumb nigger, it does its job and then fades out, that's why communiggers are terrified of fascism.

We followed Hitlers Nationalist philosophies in Nippon and they enjoy a quality of life unequaled in human history. Just Imagine how wonderful it could have been with McAuther instead of Ike?

Pinochet missed one.

And Venezuela has a ton of oil yet they suffer from constant shortages of basic goods.

This is true. Fascism does rely on a cult of personality, but so does communism.

Hmmm what a coincidence all those facists states reached their goals at the exact same time their leaders died.

How could you not want to give your life for this Great Man?

>having defined social standards causes your country to collapse

Like how Venezuela is livable because it has a ton of oil?

portugal was never fascist you fucking brainlet
they even banned the fascist party
>chile is fascist as well
wew its autism

Well, he was good at purging Commies at least.

>Germany
>Italy
>Japan
Brought down by (((outside forces)))
>Spain
>Portugal
Not really fascism
>China
>Chile
>Brazil
Lel wtf

So by that logic Venezuela should be a world power

I would say communism is more oligarchical in nature which is why generally ML states tend to last quite long. What surprises me is that there is no facist literature trying to address this problem.

Portugal was more of a conservative authoritarian state, than a Fascist state in a similar manner to Nazi Germany, or the Italians.

Brazil never had an Integralist government wtf
The closes to fascism we reached was during the Estado Novo under Getúlio, and it was fucking based
good ol' times
youtube.com/watch?v=vxba1HI8voM

lol wtf? there was a peaceful transition from 40 years of 'fascism' to a democracy, after said fascism made Spain the 9th global power after being totally ruined by the Civil War

>Pinochet and Franco died before the government switched
No. That and the fact they came to power through popular means makes communists reee to no end.

To you and all the other posts. The venezuelan economy is a huge clusterfuck and nobody is denying that. However I don't see how that has anything to do with chile and furthermore Norway has the almost exact same system if not even more socialist, so it's rather a spesific failiure rather than a fault in the system.

??? did imperialists invade the ussr?

That is what we McAuther implemented, Nippon is a fine example of an ethno-state run with Nationalist polices

What do you mean when you said "ML States"?

More like purging his own former allies and the clergy, whom he killed more of than commies

Norway has a system NOWHERE NEAR what Venezuela has.

Chile is the most livable because idk living between mountains automatically makes you wealthy and laborious

That’s funny. Antifa are strollin’ the streets without a care, while natsoc soys are sperging on their keyboards, and trying to order tikitorches online. Oh, and you White ethnonationalists are also shooting up schoools full of white kids. And then defending it. Strong work, there.

Franco died about a year before his government collapsed and Pinochet likely fell to ill health. I wouldn't actually call either of them facists, but I hope you're not denying that facists often if not always use cults of personalities.

The Latin American clergy was infiltrated, so that was a necessary task.

Marxist-Leninist aka. Stalinist aka. Red Facist

Fascism isn't a ideology is a fact. And it's the most common social system in humans.
All human pre-1945-1965 civilizations nations, kingdoms and tribes were fascist. Hierarchy works. Evolution would had wiped out hierarchies if it was a bad social organization, but like patriarchy hasn't been wiped out, quite the opposite: it's the almost the only form of social organization. A stupid general who takes fast decisions is better than 100 "geniuses" or technicians doing nothing but deliberating. Sounds familiar? That example is democracy, and a tip: doesn't work

Do you know anything about norway?

Got it, thank you.

Norway doesn't even have the same oil revenues that Venezuela does either.

>Bb..b..B..but that's not REAL fascism!!!

Underrated

thid
that meme needs to die

Any political system can be good, or bad, depending on the quality of life outcomes for the average person.

Not every country should be a democracy, because for some countries, due to their human development, communism will be a better system.

Eventually they will "progress" from one system to another.

The problem with the modern world is that everyone is being told that they should be living in a (((democracy))), because that is the only (((good))) system.

Brazil's Integrelism has been tried?

in the montains either you work or you die

Is NK fascism? NK is an hereditary monarchy.

Gook and Russian communists (not Jews) were seeking for a new feudal lord to rule over them, they're genetically ultra-authoritarian and hierarchical born to be slaves or slave masters.

No

but actually we have to deal with sjw and fucking niggers coming to my country.
HELP!!!!!!11

>Racism

What racism? Because of the Haitians you're letting in for some reason?

I thought Chile's demographics were pretty homogeneous.

Not yet

go fuck yourself paco. your nation is the poorest developed in europe, and your people are negroidal.

Are Integrelist still a thing? Do they have rallies?

only on the south, leaf

Lol, what kind of traditionalist are you?

Yeah it didn't fail. Fascism was a responds to Republican communists, crushed them and returned power to the Monarchy. Thats pretty successful.

>Just Imagine how wonderful it could have been with McAuther instead of Ike?
Or Patton

Nope
now only some Cred Forums-tier dudes take it seriously and try to maintain the ideology alive

literally in comic sans

you can't make this shit up

>Liberation Theology is traditionalist

I dont know much of it gonna learn Portuguese to read some books on it.

because most of those countries were defeated in war.

>Because of the Haitians you're letting in for some reason?
Because the actual ((socialist Government)) it doesn't enforce the immigration laws and allows to enter cheap labor without education (niggers), thus favoring some businessmen and the government itself, since they would not raise the minimum wage in the country.
youtube.com/watch?v=H56otpCWT1U

Because fascists usually bully people as strong or even stronger than themselves and their ideology is usually about expansion of their their and about their own people unlike communism which only bullies way smaller nations such as Afghanistan,the baltic states,poland(granted Germany did it too but it was fighting the allies as well),romania and fascist are way more let's say way more closed off than democracies and have fewer allied nations. In the times of peace they do way better than other nations. National Socialist Germany built more roads in 5 years than countries such as mine from eastern europe in over 70. It depends on how you look at it i guess

When humanity died and gave way for our new god Capital.

>>>

Nationalism simply doesn't work. Thus we should embrace globalism instead, amirite?

Of their territory and*

Well at least you're not receiving hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans on your less populated state (which of course could be a pretext for it's annexation by Venezuela)

This country is shit, but yeah fascism worked very well here, and I'm a liberal

Based on historic economic data fascism, and national socialism, have been fairly successful.
Chile had better economic growth during fascism than without, Brazil didnt have any effect from fascism (economy kept growing as before and after, 1980 is where they fucked up).
Portugal had their golden years during fascism, in 1974 economic growth stops and resumes a few years later at a slower pace.
Spain also had their period with the highest growth during fascism.
Italy had no problems with fascism up to the point where they lost the second world war, same goes for Japan.
China has no actual data for the periods.

So in conclusion fascism works pretty well, but as with all political systems it gets replaced after a while.

From what I can gather the economic impact of fascism is usually pretty similar to liberal market economies.

The Philipines are trying it out now, lets see if it works today as well.

hey if you're starving there's always an unlimited supply of jew semen to eat

>implying venezuela can annex anything
Our army is fucking awful, but their "soldiers" barely have anything to eat. Venezuelans settling in índio states is pretty bad for the demographics, but they will probably be used as slave labour anyways

believe me, niggers are worst "people" that you can recieve in your country.
or is there something I don't know about Venezuelans?

Portugal was not fascist. Salazar defeated the actual fascists. Salazar was a catholic christian conservative

Spain and Chile were pretty successful tbqh

Fascism was the antidote to commie jewish plots to overthrow governments.Try again faggot

Well at least Venezuelans desperately running from a socialist regime and for their own survival

But we receive Haitians as well, they throw trash anywhere and chimp out with drugs and voodoo in the streets, really disgusting

A liberal in the social or economic sense?

Labeling Kuomintang as fascists is stretching it too far, they were nationalist in the sense that they rebelled against manchu-ruled Qing in favour of a Han nation-state

>Brazil
?

If you're going to argue about Vargas, then he hated the integralists, so that flag is wrong.

What idolegy was he anyway.

The venezuelans here, at least in their majority, are educated people, more than the Colombians and infinitely more than Haitianniggers.
Also, are you from the south of Brazil?

Without fascism,East Asia would have been Soviets

japan coming through as usual

Envy.

At least we get more cute hapas

He was a nationalist and a labourist. He loved himself some workers.
So, sort of a center left kind of guy.

Fascism is a good way to clean, not a long term thing.

America could've been on there. DO IT AGAIN PELLEY!

What did the Integrelist want?

Spain, China, and Chile were simple exchanges of government because Fascism in those countries were responses to communism, and after the threat was dealt with the fascists returned power to who it rightfully belonged. Germany, Italy, and Japan "failed" cause they lost the war, not cause the system was defunct as this meme would suggest. Portugal failed because it got caught up in the cold war as a proxy through it's colonial empire, meaning it failed only because the two literal superpowers in the world made sure it did. Brazil is really the only actual example of the failure of fascism.

Internal power struggles and lack of accountability that leads to rampant corruption

>why do governments fail
Yours will eventually fall as well. What you should measure is the quality of life lived in those countries. Do any communist countries come close?

> It has a worse track record than Marxist-Leninist states, they at minimum stayed in power far longer
Portugal stayed longer than communist regimes of Soviet Bloc except USSR + Albania + SFR's Yugoslavia (48 years military dictatorship+new state under salazar + new state under marcello caetano) and it wasn't fascist
Extremadura is worse than Andaluzia.

How was Francoist Spain a failure?

> japan 1931

More like Japan, 200AD - 1945.

top notch pepe

After Vargas made himself the supreme ruler of Brazil, he decided to take out every single party in the country, including the Integralist party.
So the Integralists decided to do a march in order to protest against the repression of their party, which pissed Vargas off, and then he told Pilino to fuck off to Portugal.
Even then, Vargas had promised to give Pilino a position in his government, as the minister of education.

>log off

Fascism only existed in Italy. Anyone suggesting that it exists anywhere else is an iliterate and cheated in school.

Portugal had a "revolution" that was non-violent. And now look at the state of the country. kek

This. Fuck off commie.

>Muh socialists did it.

this

POL BTFO’d!!!!!

>fascism fails every time
wrong

Because fascism is socialism.

Mussolini was quite clear on this.

Chile, China and Brazil were never fascist

you are a bot

Can you tell me what that flag is that's listed under Chile?

I'm not familiar with it.

Mussolini was fascist but nazi Germany was literally National Socialism.

It was in the name... Nationalsozialismus
The Japanese were too but China was crypto-communism disguised as Socialism.

Chile/Brazil is very similar to this and def not facism it's more civil/democratic-socialism.
They had so many programs that they ran out of money from all of the handouts.
"free" education and subsidized food is a libtard heaven.(too bad the people couldn't pay the insane taxes)

>breeds civil war
>no fascist regime ended with civil war
really made me think

Spain was never actually fascist, the fascists got co-opted.
China was never fascist, Japan was never fascist. Brazil was never fully fascist. Chile's fascists in the 30's fucking failed, and Pinochet is not necessarily considered to have been a true fascist.

You will be a more effective troll if you actually know the subject matter a bit.
If you're just a retarded t-baller then good job I guess.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigines#Kuomintang_single-party_rule_(1945–1987)
maybe start studying?
taiwan got better immidiately after chiang kai shek died

Could this be remedied with a hereditary rule?

China wasnt fascist, neither Portugal Brazil Chile and japan.

what the fuck is this pic

No, we don't. You are confusing socialism and social democracy. We still very much have a free market economy.

Chile's economic policies were heavily influenced by Milton Friedman's ideas... Hardly a democratic socialist State.

Because Fascism isn't the answer. America should remain a republic. We just need to fix some things going on in our country

Isn't that Greek Symbol in Brasil's flag used for Trig?

>Not true fascism

National Capitalism is the cure for Latin America.

>fascism until democracy can be restored

fascism is in no way a placeholder for democracy and to suggest otherwise reveals yourself to be lobotomized. How does a singular, dominating, centralized control over politics and economics turn into that power and wealth being spread to masses? Social power and wealth lies in few hands under fascism, the state controls or appeases those who have it. The states concern is not of citizens, but to keep itself in power. In a democracy social power is rooted in large groups of people, acting to materialize their interests.

Fascism doesn't work cause people dont like having their inherent freedoms and last cent being taken away from them

ISI was standard practice until the 1990s. Tbh, I'm not even sure why it got abandoned other than the economic crises. Something about balance of payments deficits?

fashy bump

TX made sure the fascism would get wiped by the God Cyclone and it did and now I'm like, a believer in Blood Sacrifice!

Come on down though if you ever wanna see what brainwashing would look like if the Louisian...

What a great thread! Mazeltov!

Franco died before, he gave his succession to some push over that he thought would continue what he was doing. Instead the first thing he did was go against franco.

Because collectivism is for the weak and doesn’t work

What the fuck? Chile fascist during Pinochet? Are you retarded?

>The Estado Novo failed on it's own.

wrong-o

You fell for the bait. Try again.

>portugal was never fascist you fucking brainlet

But they looked like:

youtube.com/watch?v=utA-BrRWPSw

youtube.com/watch?v=JYKEKwWYmJE

> Corporations influencing laws isn't collectivism

You are just high on drugs. Spain was a shithole in the 70s. Only after the war we got an acceptable living standard.

We only managed to live well from 80s to 2000s because of the economic boom / bubble of joining free trade, EU and especially the Euro.

Now we are not even in G20 and our minimum salary is 600€ a month.

For real. Dafuq do you smoke,

You fucking literal Reeeing commies and demofats can stay eternally ass blasted. Fascism was always based, and will always be based. Can't wait for the day of the rope, day of the rake, RWDS, it's all coming baby... IT"S ALLLLLL COMING.

SOON

Honestly you were better off under Franco than being even more closed off from the world by falling under russian communism.

This is an anecdote, but I've heard of Spaniards/Portuguese going to Poland to fill their jobs. Have you heard of this?

Wow it's almost like status quo capitalist states will do whatever it takes to eliminate competition including world wars that kill millions of whites.

I've already seen these threads before, let's just get this over with.
>Germany was defeated in war, so was Italy.
>Japan was never Fascist, neither was China.
>Francoist Spain and the Estado Novo were some of the best periods for both countries. Francoist Spain peacefully transitions to democracy when Franco died, and the Estado Novo fell during the Carnation Revolution, which was bloodless.
>Pinochet was not a fascist, and the Integralist never even took power in Brazil.

Young spaniards are leaving the country because living expense is close to Germany / France while salary is half of it. Especially in big cities like Barcelona where housing is getting way to expensive.

For examply for the last 5 years electricity/gas/water has increased on average c.10% a year. Pensions increase only by 0.25% and salaries have been cut. Back in 2005 for uni graduates it was normal to get €1k. Now people just manage to get €800 after being 3 years as an intern.

During the big crisis time many went to Germany / UK.

All my "smart" classmates have found good paying jobs outside Spain. Myself included.

Man, I thought that £2,000 per month (I think 2.3k Euro) was low for a graduate job.

Not a big fan of communism neither. But Franco took over a Republic, not a communist state.

Spain became a Republic in 1931. We had both right wing as well as left wing parties ruling the country. Until 1936 when the war started.

Nazi Germany & Italy gave way more support to Franco than the USSR to the Republic, because...... we were not communist to begin with.

After Franco won the war, he sistematically called everybody opposing him "red", thus the brainwashing started of people thinking that the Republic was communist and that everybody supporting it is a filthy communist.

I actually agreed with a lot of the communist qualms. They were selling all the real estate to a bunch of people from the UK and fucking over everyone in spain in a bunch of other ways.

The republic was unstable at the time and if the other fascists powers didn't intervene the reds would have won.

If ROC is on this list why isn't South Korea or Singapore on it as well? If the creator thinks that Japanese Imperialism = fascism then SK and Singapore (both successful countries) disprove that point.

I mean, things are improving now.

Probably if you studied a nice degree you can manage 900-1300 a month. I think average salary for the whole Spain is 1700€.

The problem again is that living costs are increasing way too fast compared to salaries.

Luckily I studied finance and was lucky enough to find a job in the city of London. As said, the Top 10% of my class found a job outside Spain.

>republic of china
>fascist

Latest I could find in my 1min research is from 2015.

Average salary: 23,106
Median salary: 19,466
Most frequent salary: 16,498

Adjust by 2-3% and you get 2017 salaries.

elmundo.es/economia/macroeconomia/2017/06/29/5953ae7222601d5d148b456e.html

Most people who go into Vocational fields here would be on 16k-to-23k starting wage, but I couldn't imagine getting that after doing 3 years of Uni and having an internship.

>Why does fascism collapse whenever it's actually tried?

cause its an actual threat to the international finance and banking cartel that was started by the Rothschilds.

Contrast this to communism, which constantly fails because its a loser system for losers and trash people.

Tbh I sometimes wonder how the current world would be would the USSR survived until the 2007-2008 financial crisis. I mean it´s not too crazy, we are talking about 15years.

Obviously the USSR would have not been suffered the crisis as their economy was somewhat independent to the capitalist states. And then having all the european countries suffering from the crisis, people rioting in 2010s due to austerity and unemployment,...

Obviously not many think as a solution going back to communism because USSR failed. But if it would have not failed they would see communism as a viable alternative.

I think the World Order would be totally different. Wet dream for communists.