Why is the U.S. so cucked on health care?

why is the U.S. so cucked on health care?

because they need their mcdonalds

It goes to research which is then sold across the world. On one hand, America has the cutting edge medical technology, on the other it's all proprietary and even assuming you know the right doctor you'll probably have to pay through the nose for it.

Either a free market or government mandate could lower prices, and the US has neither. Here the providers tell us how much and the law tells us to pay it.

Couldn't the law just set reasonable market caps? Isn't that what most countries do

Price gauging

Because the US keeps voting for Republicans. We'll never have a universal healthcare system as long as they're around.

Yes, but that would be socialism, ooga booga booga.

As long as money talks in Washington, and the swamp is not drained, nothing will be done.

As opposed to the hot steaming pile of corrupt garbage the democrats would force down our throats?

Nothing will improve until both parties are purged. Don't pretend either one of them is in any way worthy of a single vote.

Shitskins. Obesity also ties into it.

Bullshit. Every single Democrat I've ever met and every Democratic candidate's platform funds universal healthcare by taxing the rich, not by cutting costs to match international norms.

The US government already spends more per capita on healthcare than nearly any other country, but you don't hear the left saying they'll implement universal coverage at cost parity with the UK and give you a tax refund.

Canada how does your healthcare system work?

twice as good as USA apparently

shittily

We get ripped off in order to subsidize research and tech for the rest of the world.

sugar in EVERYTHING
beetus/GERD/heart disease are expensive

I mean to what extent is it privatized? The NHS seems inefficient. Wondering how other places do it. I know Canadian healthcare is supposed to be good.

long wait time, over crowded hospitals. patients turn away because there are not enough beds in the hospitals.

Single payer is the only answer.

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When we eventually go to single payer, we will HAVE to subsidize R&D like crazy if we want to keep medicine advancing.

Why is there never any dividend from all of that capital expenditure, though? What other industry plows so much into capex in order to make their product more expensive to deliver?

Given the similarity in health outcomes between decrepit socialist systems and the helicopter mom US system I've become convinced that it's a wash -- that wait times cure overtreatment as often as early intervention cures disease.

>VISA is in charge of saying who gets what and how much needs to be charged
>hospitals agree
>tylenol is $600 and we charge you 12 times for it
>this person's employer has paid for this; and in taxes; and this person has paid their insurance and taxes and we pay taxes as the hospital and take your deductible which is like $1,000,000 for your insured kid's snake bite
>because we flew in the antivenom by chopper
>ONE MILLION DOLLAHS MUAHAHAHAHA
>i'm a car; i go to hospital like you go for an oil change; like when somebody hits you in the parking lot
>why are we paying so much?
govt can buy more drugs than walmart can at a bulk rate. the end. also. american hospitals are old. and for all that money they use shitty old and cheap knock off equipment. i've seen it in pics many times. from shitty stretchers. to dirty dirt dirt. to BP cuffs used as IV infusion "bags".

>What other industry plows so much into capex in order to make their product more expensive to deliver?

All of them.

Sounds like the NHS

Just a coincidence.

Look, I'm all for a SANE, LOGICAL public health. Like we used to have. Like Japan has.
But if leftists want it so much and swear that "it's the people's will"
Then ask them to fund it individually.

I see this arguments appealing to the majority (fallacy ad populum) all the time coming from them. Well if you really believe that about 80% or 99% of the people would want public College, Healthcare and Abortions, they you should have no problems with voluntary donations to maintain the programs.
I mean, you say you know that "all the people want it", then all will pay don't they? You should have zero problems founding any of those programs.

The answer is obviously no, deep inside they do know that they need to force people to pay for their crazy Marxists bullshit programs.
But it can be a good argument to show them as the authoritarian psychopaths they are.

more niggers shooting each other and obese spics

Americans have convinced themselves anything other than their corporatist system is communism or leads to communism.

Sickfags cost 0 when they die on the waiting list.

no, its because the people who need the free healthcare are the ones who cant afford to pay for it, hence want it for free, while the ones who can afford healthcare dont want to pay more for others to have it as well. No "Marxist bullshit"

Because we haven't had a selection event.

I'm getting pretty sick of hearing this same shit about healthcare from people who refuse to acknowledge what exactly they're arguing for or against. Setting aside minor stuff like colds and various booboos, the "healthcare" discussion revolves around critical and/or life-saving medicines, treatments, and operations. News flash, humans aren't meant to live forever. Getting to live to 70, 80, 90, 100 is a privilege not a fucking right. Oh you need treatment for your failing organ because if you don't get it then you'll die? Great, how much is your life worth to you? Why the hell shouldn't it be expensive? It's treatment that literally extends your fucking lifespan.

I'm sick of people with absolutely zero perspective telling me that I need to involuntarily relinquish my hard-earned cash to subsidize the lifespans of other people, half of whom are dying from their own poor decisions.

>while the ones who can afford healthcare dont want to pay more for others to have it as well
Dude, this is redistribution of wealth. This is one of the key principles of Marxism.

Well of course we spend so "little" in Canada, the waiting lists are directly proportionate to how flawed our system is and howmuch the government whores our educational and healthcare systems to foreigners.

Well, they think this counts as medicine, for one.

marxism isnt "give all the rich peoples money to poor people", thats social democracy and if you think that its marxism then burger education is crap.

>social democracy
>somehow different from Marxism

>there is no difference between marxism and social democracy
THE STATE OF BURGERLAND

Jew doctors fucking everything up and then charging you 20 times the value of the care to pay for malpractice insurance

This No one has "right" to my, now inexistent as I'm unemployed, income. I never put someone in poverty, never asked for gibs.
I would voluntarily found things like roads, public schools and hospitals because it is the most sane thing to do.
Again, because in my country bac in the day we managed to get out of a state of constant civil wat, import millions of foreigners mostly poor workers and somehow had a 80% literacy by the 1920s, the highest in Latin America.
And most of the work was done by private citizens, the Italians founded "Unione e Benevolanza" (Union and Benevolence) back in 1861 and managed to help their countrymen to adapt and get a job here.
The Spaniards did the same with their "Spanish Associations".
The state can maintain a minimum standard to help the country have good and intelligent workers, but you can't finance excellence and top quality sanitation everywhere because there's simply no money.

he is a complete moron, just please ignore him
idiot, you could cite Proudhon as a proponent for succdem positions, not Marx. maybe try reading some of his stuff sometime before pretending like you know anything about him?

every other country talks a lot about the US

guess their country just isn't that interesting

>key principles of Marxism
You're retarded.

we live three years longer on average

No one has the "right" to anything, that includes you and "your" property. People say "we have the right to healthcare" because people dont like that without free healthcare your lifespan is determined by your wealth, which is often not something that you can control as much as you'd like. Social class is often hereditary, and those with wealth are much more likely to keep it than the poor are to get it, especially with laissez faire economics. And an accidental injury or university bill could cost you many thousands, even further setting you back and preventing you from ascending social classes. In effect paying for these services just acts as a class barrier, a form of social darwinism where the rich get to live longer and more happy lives while the poor die miserable and young

>through the (((nose)))

You misunderstand me, I'm all for a socialized spending on key sectors for the developing of a nations population.
Energy, Defense, Healthcare, Education.
But distinctions must be made. Any non citizens must be excluded, period. Any person that violates the social contract are immediately excluded, example would be criminals. I want prisoners paying for their stay in the system, work for the food and decent shelter we would giver you and we let you be reformed if you want to.

But leftists don't want checks, tests, or needs to be fulfilled first. They want forced redistribution of wealth for the sake of their whims.

maybe bc we are so overweight and unhealthy, our coverage has to be more costly

>Any person that violates the social contract are immediately excluded
HAHAHAHAHAH
> example would be criminals. I want prisoners paying for their stay in the system, work for the food and decent shelter we would giver you and we let you be reformed if you want to.
Crime is almost always a consequence of poverty, so you'd be punishing poor people for trying to stay alive or live a good life in a system that refuses to provide one for them.

>La Cretura

Healthcare is half our GDP we have to keep the costs up

What country has the best healthcare in the world?

people do not go to the doctor for chronic conditions because it feels too expensive
then they have major health complications that require a pricey intervention

>Crime is almost always a consequence of poverty
I know you have never seen real poverty by posting that.
I was friends with kid whose parents were exchanging clothes for maize to eat back in the 2001 crisis. None of them became thieves.
My mother lived in a neighborhood with dirt streets, no sewers, no lights in the street. None of her neighbors where thieves, the worst they did was to steal from your fruit threes in season.
Yours is a classical materialistic vision. That's the problem with all leftists views, is that you ca not see beyond material, mainly because in most cases leftists are people well off in the economic sense.
Here the poor hate other poor people who spend their money on useless shit like stereos and DirecTV while they keep their children barefoot and in rags. It is not the money, it is the education and the spirit that raise man to their best.
Pic related could easily mug a couple of rich boys, use the money to buy a stolen horse and work it to death like many do. But they are humane and have a high sense of dignity despite their poverty, that to hurt an innocent and noble animal is not in their minds. They are beyond materialistic concepts.

>my anecdotal evidence can dismiss huge and well documented trends relating crime and poverty
gg

Anecdotal evidence? There are literaly tens of thousands of "Cartoneros" or trash prickers in my country, they work all fuckign day under 40ºC and -1ºC for a couple of buck to buy the meal of the day.
Most of them a either children or old men, some use horses but mostly blood, human blood is the fuel that pushes their wagons.

You clearly have a very bourgeois view of the world, you may think all thieves steal for need, then you have never met a thieve.
Pic is perfect for this example, it says "Don't look at my poverty. Look at my effort".
That's for you user.