When are we going to get rid of these fucking AR-15s?

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CIVIL WAR NOW!

Oh you mean the overwhelming majority of shootings? Oh wait, those were done with handguns.

I got mine two weeks ago. Come try and take it.

did they really use an AR-15 in every single one of those 323 gun related deaths.
Daum, that weapon is popular

when you pry them from our cold dead hands you fucking faggot

>>the only difference between the guns is the color
>I know the person who made that doesn't really believe that.
no ITS TRUE ask /k/
they are the exact same gun same make, model, year, manufacturer, hell the same guy on the same shift at the factory probably made both

Not the same mods though, obviously.

school shootings and it being the guns fault
i see a flaw in your logic

2 min with a tool and the mods can be changed to be on ether gun

its the same fucking gun you butt fuck

Mods don't make a gun deadlier or less deadlier. If its firing the same bullet, it will do the exact same damage.

Out of around 8,000 firearn homicides per year only 300 are from rifles of ANY kind, totalling a consistent 3%
Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people die every year from preventable deaths like heart disease and diabetes

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Times have changed and the laws should change with them. If you had outcasts sperging out with automatic weapons school shooting body counts would go from dozens to over a hundred.

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>fucking ar-15s commit more crimes

Trolling is a art.

You don't know how automatic fire works...

Sage, Report. Move on.

Uh huh, I'm sure guns were made to be automatic so they could be less effective at hitting a target...

>If you had outcasts sperging out with automatic weapons school shooting body counts would go from dozens to over a hundred.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
you have clearly never fired a gun before
let-alone fired a full auto
its not a video game it dont work like that

see

Nigger, automatic guns are used for suppression fire. They're not meant to actually kill more bodies. Automatic is less accurate you fucking retard.

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>you are less likely to hit a close range target with a burst of bullets then a single bullet

LEAF! Stop using American proxies! I can smell the maple syrup coming out of your pores. You cannot fool me!

Semi auto is not single bullet retard.

At close range your better off with a tactical shotty.

after you and all your kind die.

Kek.

AR-15s are rifles
Rifles are the least used type of firearm for murder
Rifles are used less than:
>punching and kicking
>knives
>pistols
>shotguns
>blunt objects

Source:FBI pic related with link

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>ban guns and mentally ill murders cant kill people
i present a rebuttal

The NRA needs to stop selling guns. And stop giving money to politicans who will lobby for them. Then there will be no more mass shootings.

Do I need to tell you that pulling a trigger for each bullet results in slower shooting than just holding the trigger down and spraying multiple bullets or pulling the trigger and getting a 3-round burst?

You don't need to tell me shit, I already know you are a retarded faggot.

It's the same weapon. All that is different is the furniture. Both guns can kill the same amount of people in the same amount of time.

The NRA is literally a kike controlled opposition org.

I know that you're mad.

>mods are placed to make guns less effective

I'm not mad, I'm getting ready to kill tyrants.

>so they could be less effective at hitting a target...
kinda ya
full auto fire is to provide a wall or stream of fire so as to cause the area fired at to not be accessible to an enemy advance
also it allows troops to not have to look and aim at an enemy as there is a natural resistance for most troops to killing the enemy
as it is found that only 3% of troops did 90% of the killing and forensic evidence showed that 50% of troops on the battlefield where actively trying to miss or not loading there gun or any number of ways of faking fighting with the enemy whenever they where able to

It's actually every long gun. So every rifle and shotgun death, also accounting for mass shootings. That's next to nothing in a country of 320 million.

Never, bitch.

Have fun shooting up a place and becoming cellies with Bubba.

>Do I need to tell you that pulling a trigger for each bullet results in slower shooting than just holding the trigger down and spraying multiple bullets or pulling the trigger and getting a 3-round burst?
and how good is it when you dont aim???
how effective is a bullet that misses???
how effective is a lot of misses???

>troops fighting in a war=maniac trying to kill as many people as possible

No prison bitch. I live and kill until I'm dead.

Spraying and praying is better than firing one bullet and praying.

and a preemptive post because this argument is coming next after the whole assault rifle is bad argument

now i know you have never fired a gun

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I bought an extra Daniel Defense M4V last year thinking about selling. Any anons want one

You should just stick to the praying part

It's okay if you don't want to admit you have no arguments left.

Joke is on them. There won't be a 2020 election.

Whatever, just please don't jump off the spectrum into the real world and start shooting people.

The final argument will be the crack of the gun before you feel that sharp hot bullet.

Any more gun control laws and I'm bringing the war to your doorstep faggot

media.8ch dot net/file_store/81e6f8408bc4f372f7bb7840553bc04a2e41b14104f61d64d436490569815105.pdf

Rifles aren't the problem

The military literally got rid of full auto M-16 for normal troops and replaced them with 3 round burst because the average troop did nothing but waste ammo with full auto. Special forces still get full auto but they have 10X the training.

The average soldier just gets scared, dumps entire magazines into empty bushes, and is out of ammo 30 minutes into an 9 hour battle.

Are you even trying? Really?

I was joking about you sperging out and shooting up a place, but now I'm really concerned.

>ban guns and hand them over to our government, which is also corrupt and evil

Sure about that?

youtube.com/watch?v=cjx4KSKHIC4

You people keep bringing up troops. The original argument was about someone with the intention to kill as many people as possible in a crowded school.

I don't think your average teenager had the money to mail order one of those.

I'm just saying, I've never seen a white AR commit a mass shooting

>crack of the gun before you feel that sharp hot bullet

Bullets are supersonic. The bullet hits you before the sound gets there.

>muh exceptions are the rule

no its just in gun operator terms you just said something stupid along the lines is how well your car runs on sugar in the gas tank on days the sky is green

Nobody cares about the Feds faggot. If they want a war we're ready.

I'm talking about USA military. We don't use the Tavor and its variants.

oh user sage goes in the opitions field so to not bump the tread

>in gun operator terms

This is Cred Forums not /k/, calm down.

>161106686
sage

Well then there is absolutely no argument...

Not a natural or legal perspn, therefore can not commit crimes. QED

Thats not even close to what a full auto tavor can do. Also Miculek is an expert. Your average school shooter boogeyman can't fire that quickly due to the lack of training and their autism.
youtube.com/watch?v=dceVLirR6VY

>ban meme gun
>nothing changes
>except law-abiding citizens having their rights even further eroded

i hate these stupid ass kids

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Nah an argument about guns on Cred Forums is more like this.

youtube.com/watch?v=3grpEuAamfA

Name one school mass shooting that has involved a full auto.

Pro tip: you can't

The argument was based on a hypothetical scenario, but I'm pretty sure it'd be comparable to terrorists shooting up a concert venue.

>Choose your false flag stated shooting...

>when are we going to get rid of these fucking AR-15s?
When a better weapon comes along.

Actually Black people commit more crimes than ar-15s

>the Parts 2015 attacks didn't happen

dear lord...

You mean like the Bataclan massacre in France where up to 9 gunmen with full auto AK-47s killed 137 people. Compared to the Nice France truck attack that killed 87.

>One dude in a truck
>9 dudes with machine guns and bombs 137 dead

Trucks are far more deadly than any full auto gun. Ban Trucks! The ban of full auto guns really helped in France didn't it...

You think I give a fuck about Paris?

Didnt the Columbine kids use a full auto Tec-9 if im correct?

Threadly reminder that 65% of firearm deaths are suicides.

You're 5 times more likely to die in a car accident than recive a non fatal gunshot wound.

No it was a semi auto. Just a scary looking pistol. No more firepower than any other 9mm pistol.

>ban trucks

False equivalency.

i couldve swore i saw on one of the CCTV vids that he randomly pulled the trigger in the cafeteria and it fired like an auto

My point is that mental illness and violent ideologies like Islam are the problem. Do you know what has a much higher correlation to mass shooting than race or weapon type?

SSRI type medications. Almost every mass shooter is on them. But the media will never touch that story. Look at any commercial break on any channel and there is going to be an add for some anti-depressant. They distract you with scenes of people laughing and walking on the beach and petting dogs while they list:
>may cause suicidal tendencies
>may cause impulsive behavior
Talk to your doctor and see if ___________ is right for you!

You can make a simi auto fire as fast as some full autos if you pull the trigger fast enough. 150 rounds+ per minute isn't impossible.

cheaper is the word you're looking for.

Here's how stupid CA laws regarding these 2 rifles are, despite their subtle differences:
Rifle #1 requires no modification
Rifle #2 used to require a bullet button, but since that wasn't enough, you now have to have a fixed magazine which can only be loaded when the upper and lower are separated from one another
Thank God murder is still illegal!

Listen, you fantastically retarded mothefucker. I'm going to try to explain this so that you can understand it.

You cannot control an entire country and its people with tanks, jets, battleships and drones or any of these things that you so stupidly believe trumps citizen ownership of firearms.

A fighter, tank, drone, battleship or whatever cannot stand on street comers. And enforce "no assembly" edicts. A fighter jet cannot kick down your door at 3AM and search your house for contraband.

None of these things can maintain the needed police state to completely subjugate and enslave the people of a nation. Those weapons are for decimating, flattening and glassing large areas and many people at once and fighting other state militaries. The government does not want to kill all of its people, and blow up its own infrastructure. These are the very things they need to be tyrannical assholes in the first place. If they decided to turn everything outside of Washington D.B. into glowing green glass, they would be the absolute rulers of a big, worthless, radioactive pile of shit.

Police are needed to maintain a police state, boots on the ground. And no matter how many police you have on the ground they will always be vastly outnumbered by civilians which is why in a police state it is vital that your police have automatic weapons while the people have nothing but their limp dicks.

BUT when every random pedestrian could have a Glock in their waistband and every random homeowner an AR-15 all of that goes out the fucking window because now the police are out numbered and face the reality of bullets coming back at them.

If you want living examples of this look at every insurgency that the U.S. military has tried to destroy. They're all still kicking with nothing but AK-47s, pick up trucks and improvised explosives because these big scary military monsters you keep alluding to are all but fucking useless for dealing with them.

Dumb. Fuck.

>fucking ar-15s commit more crimes than black people.

Literally false, you stupid nigger.

All rifles combined account for less than 10% of gun murders. Meanwhile, niggers commit 50% of all murder.

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Wow, brilliant rebuttal, faggot.

Please give me a summary of what happened in the:
Vietnam war
Iraq war
Afghanistan war

>military technology has not advanced in 200+ years

I don't know why you're getting so upset over me calling out copy and pasted arguments.

So you're saying that button mashing is a deadly skill and that we should ban video games.

Rifles are more like 2.6%

see my post here with link to FBI stats in the picture
In 2015 rifles were involved in 252 homicides out of 9,616 firearm homicides.
252 / 9616 = 0.026

A mini 14 is not an AR 15 you fucking retard. Yes, functionally they are extremely similar, but they are not the same gun.

Fake and gay

Because you can't debunk them. Doesn't matter if they are copy/paste if they are true.

TLDR: You are a faggot

Why would you make a tl;dr for one sentence?

Nobody said it was an AR-15. The black gun in is the same gun as the wood one. It's just the superficial bullshit on the gun that changed.

It's like arguing that putting racing stripes and numbers on the side of a Toyota Camry turns it into a deadly assault car.

Why don't you make a valid argument?

TLDR: You have smoked more poles than the Nazis

Ever notice how pro gun people always have mountains of facts and sources to back up their claims but anti-gun faggots can't do anything more than argue for an appeal to emotion?

A change in function=/=change in appearance

Just because the firing mechanism is the same doesn't mean everything else about the gun is the same.

So please list what functionally changed on the gun.

I'm not sure if you know what tl;dr's are supposed to be used for...

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Motive does not change the function of the firearm you actual retard.

I'm not sure you have a single valid pro gun control fact in your brain.

Extendable stock, pistol grip, rail system, flash suppressor etc.

It also looks scarier so people are more likely to stand in fear and get shot rather than fight back.

Thanks. I had a bunch more detailed gun info pics on my old PC but it got rekt.

You're an idiot.

None of those change the function. Besides if you want to fire accurately you should always have the stock fully extended. That's what they teach us in the army these days. It's no longer shooters preference. And that'll put it at the length of a fixed stock.

Also people won't give a shit if your weapon is pink with unicorns painted on it, they care about the sound of gunfire and bullets flying through the air.

You don't know the first thing about guns you faggot.

Some knives have black coloring on them, we should bans those because when people see them they're more likely to just stand there and get stabbed to death.
Fucking moron.

I'm sure the person that made that dumb maymay pic went back in time and talked to the founding fathers on what they thought guns would be like in the future.

>Extendable stock
doesn't change the firepower of the gun
>pistol grip
doesn't change the firepower of the gun
>rail system
Doesn't change the firepower of the gun
>flash suppressor
Doesn't change the firepower of the gun and doesn't even matter unless you are shooting in the dark

>Looks scary
Now we are getting to what leftists are really targeting. Your entire mindset is one of fear. Everything the left does moves towards a nanny state were the government acts like a parent and protects you from the big mean world.

You are all a bunch of soft faggots who can't fend for yourselves and would gladly hand over your rights for a false promise of safety.

>Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
>Benjamin Franklin

The founding fathers literally knew of weapons like these user. There's no need to go back and ask them.
Kys.

>You don't know the first thing about guns you faggot

I know how to make you mad clearly.

I'm glad you see my point.

Did you read the date on the picture?

Russian here. I was born in USSR, my grandpa was a KGB official and my dad was a KGB foreign advisor.

I have a message for you commietards. The "communism" you dream about will never happen.

I will tell you what will happen if a socialist revolution aka wealth redistribution will occur.

Who do you think this proletariat and "opressed" people are? You? No. You hipster cunts are the harmful bourjois element. The true ones are rednecks, white trash and hood rats. You hipsters may lead the revolution at the initial stage, but they will be the revolutionaries and they will hate you with the strongest class-hate with all your fancy college education and ipods. Southern rednecks are more likely to form a common bond with ghetto gangs than with "intellectuals". It hahs been proven many times in many lands where communism was forced, that when class warfare begins the races and nations forget the hate and unite.

So that's what's gonna happen: Someone will knock at the door of your house in your nice middle class gated community. When you will open the door you will find comissar Jamal and comissar Cletus. who will tell you that having such a big house for yourself is not what a true communist does and 2 families of hobos are moving in with you. You will be allowed to have 1 room. 1 bed and necessary personal belongings. Everything else in the house will be shared.

The rich guys who's money you were about to redistribute left the country and suddenly you realise, that they and their money in their swiss bank accounts are unreachable and there's nothing to redistribute. The corporations go bankrupt collapsingg the DOW index, which makes the currency just a fancy green paper worth nothing. Then you realise US was importing food, because there wasn't produced enough to support 300 millions of people. Importing by paying with $, which is now worth nothing. And then there's hunger. And to supress the hungry angry mob. who doesn't give a fuck about high marxist ideals and just wants to make everything like it was before. Red Terror starts. With new NKVD and purges. Eventually comissar Jamal will put you on your knees and shoot you at the back of your stupid head for not being dedicated enough.

Welcome to 1917

people being afraid and not fighting or fleeing is a problem, they are wired wrong in this case.

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>I'm glad you see my point.
Oh, I seen it, mocked it and sent it back your way.
I certainly don't agree.
Some cars are menacing colors too user, they kill more people a year than rifles. Should we ban evil colored cars?

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There is no skill there, literally point and click.

>Should we ban evil colored cars?

Yes

That gun was made in 1712, are you claiming our General in 1776 didn't know of the puckle-gun?

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By having retarded opinions on a subject you know nothing about? It does make me mad that people are trying to make laws on subjects they are ignorant about.

user, your speech is menacing to me, can we ban you to because I perceive it that way?

>Guns commit crimes

Show me proof that they knew what hand-held weapons would be today. I will wait.

Easy, see...

youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0

>This is a ghost gun
>with a 30 caliber clip
>to disperse with 30 bullets in half a second

i'll supply it when you find me a quote that says the founding fathers forbade the civilian populace from owning weapons of war.

You're implication is that our military didn't know about any and all weapons built during the time period.
It's retarded.

Doesn't that retard put his finger on the trigger? lol

MY SHITPOSTS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

There's a reason freedom of speech is the FIRST Amendment and muh guns is the second (aka FIRST LOSER) amendment.

see
"They should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government"
George Washington

He was a general. He was fully aware that weapons continue to evolve over time. He wasn't fighting his war against the British with long bows and swords and armor.

I think teachers should be trained to use guns and shoot attackers

You don't need to get upset over posts on an anonymous mongolian yurt building forum.

So you agree that our God Given Rights shouldn't be infringed upon?

There are 30.000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324.059,091 as of Wednesday. June 22. 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30.000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons - gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5.100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example. California had 1.169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

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Are 5.100 deaths per year horrific? Yes. How about in comparison to other deaths? Not really.
All death of course, is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose-THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It's time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple:

Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

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So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be. on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not "gun."

>tl;dr this is your argument redpill for why liberals wanting gun bans is retarded. Read it.

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>He was fully aware that weapons continue to evolve over time
Perhaps, but he probably didn't foresee crazy kids shooting up schools.

>He wasn't fighting his war against the British with long bows and swords and armor.

A real man would have done this and won anyway.

Not sure you know what dicks are for, but that doesn't seem to be stopping you.

TL;DR: You're still a faggot.

>Not sure you know what dicks are for

Course of do. They're for ur mum's rectum. Especially big black ones.

>fucking ar-15s commit more crimes than black people.

>but he probably didn't foresee crazy kids shooting up schools.
What does this have anything to do with having enough arms to defend against ANYONE who may seek to hurt you or your family?
You're acting on emotions, not logic or facts.
>A real man would have done this and won anyway.
No, he wouldn't. Why do you think bows were brought back into military use in history?

>The Cologne school massacre was a mass murder that occurred at the Catholic elementary school (katholische Volksschule) located in the suburb of Volkhoven in Cologne, West Germany on 11 June 1964. The perpetrator, Walter Seifert, attacked the people at the school with a home-made flamethrower and a lance, killing eight pupils and two teachers, and wounding twenty-two others.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_school_massacre

He built a flame thrower out of a fertilizer sprayer.

Of course banning guns would have stopped this!! Think of the children!

Lol 99%will miss the iorny.
>Thats ghe power of 2 braincells.

When you have arms to defend yourself you're also giving arms to people to offend you.

We should stop giving people arms and tell them to use their own arms and fistfight like men. Guns are for pussies.

Cred Forumsacks get triggered (no pun intended) about gun threads. You want to start a troll thread and get instant replies, talk about gun grabbing.

It's working really well in Brazil, there are virtually no shootings...

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and the same data with outliers like third world shit holes and the USA removed.

Regardless of how you try to spin the data. More guns = less murder when all nations in the world are investigated. This is according to the United Nations.

See the trend line in both graphs? That's the overall correlation of the data. It has a negative slope. More guns = less murder, period.

?what. was that woman just shot in the head?

No she is sleeping

I thought maybe she was mugged or tripped over or something, getting shot in the head just like that for a wallet just seems too cray

How many kids are killed or harmed by the agressions caused by smartphones or should I say assaultphones each year? ban AP's now from kids.

Damn we got 90 guns per 100 people? I think I’ve seen one gun in my life.

Someone please draw a sentient AR-15 commiting crimes.

>implying AR's don't use mind control on their human "owners"

AIDS has killed millions of faggots so lets ban dick smoking!

You motherfuckers don't have a chance in hell. Bill of Rights, fuckers. It will take a miracle to unmake the 2nd amendment. In case you think you are going to pick a part the letter of the law, here is this picture to make your efforts futile. Later, losers! hahahaha

Why do Americans want to enforce gun control on kim Jong Un? It's in his right to get a nuke and use it for self-protection.

Not true. Second Amendment rights apply to citizens of the United States. Kim Jong Fatboy can go get fucked. 'Merica.

Kent state massicure.

Nice, I have the gun you used in your picture.

I am glad you are scared of it, you little bitch.

This guy gets it.

oi, it's time to bin dat knoife, ya cunt

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