New Doodle or Die thread

New Doodle or Die thread

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We're in the Cred Forums room mostly

Recommendations for a graphical tablet?

MS paint

Fuck you misterJohn, its you who fucked up the chain.

I'm going to recreate a TgT panel if i find a fitting one.
Wish me luck

ayy

Everytime i try to draw a handgun, an UZI comes out

wow it was a while since I saw last one

I actually don't meme up my posts here.
DoD does this to me

I'm so fucking glad I misunderstood that thing and described this.

How about doing something original instead you fucking redditor?

lmao thats mine
my wrist hurts

You made my night.

I wish I were better at drawing.

so this game is alive again?

Although I'm still pretty proud of this one I drew last night.

This is now a get chain.

Shoudn't stop you

I never asked to be bullied like this
;_;

Sorry user, but I was commending your effort

Poor though it may be

nothing wrong with having parkison disease user :^)

>Satan going broke turned into Sean Murray getting rich
Like pottery.

doodleordie.com/c/7C5kELwceB
one of my favorites so far

how do you save the screenshots?

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>Sean Murray getting rich
That would be me.
I really wish i knew how to draw something apart from ironic memes

>draw like a retarded child
>people are actually getting mad at me
I'm sorry guys

I'm digging these anime ones

Right click the image you wish to save, manoeuvre your mouse pointer to the "save image as" button and press in the left-hand button of your mouse.

Oh that's my drawing. That was a fun chain.

Alright, fun's over guys, salty bastards are derailing every chain that isn't 100% serious.

>You guys got to leave Cred Forums
>LEL SO RANDUMB xD

What the fuck's with these descriptions, m8? Are they mad?

>the cacti thread

It'll calm down over time.

>forgot my password from four years ago
just fuck my shit up familia

How do you make a room?

Yeah because we're not posting bloodborne and weebshit.

Goddammit the quality suddenly plummeted.

That's probably my fault. I can't draw for shit.

I'm not great at drawing but I try to at least make them funny. Please stop yelling at me

>faggot tries to break chain
>chain actually improves

tob lel

If only I had a graphical tab. Drawing with a mouse is a bitch.

Bring the sensitivity way down, that helps a ton.

>tfw you're finished drawing, but you haven't used up enough ink to submit your drawing, so you just start adding all kinds of extrea shit that only make it less clear what the drawing is about

baka

Not the draw quality, that is irrelevant, all the shitposts. Keep at it man!

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Hey I got that one

>can't draw for shit
>can't stop playing
I'm sorry guys

Honestly, the shit drawings aren't so bad as long as you try to actually draw what the other guy is writing.

Wait, are you guys in the Cred Forums room or the Cred Forums room?

The Cred Forums room, of course.

Cred Forums room

heh

Very nice.

Thanks user, I did my best

Thanks. I have no idea what happened with one of the table corners though, I don't remember drawing that...

>tfw I get more "likes" for my descriptions than for my drawings

You did good then, for some reason I rarely see people liking descriptions.

Judging from the pictures I've seen so far, the things Cred Forums likes the most are:
>pokemon
>shit
>sweden
>negroes
>anime
>fedoras

Dear god, this is worse than /i/.

...but I have to admit that's kind of impressive.

Cred Forums is also interested in religion

That chain is going places. It started with just swords identified with varying success.

yeah this was pretty great
i was the one that described yours

i just thought the yellow surfer made sense

How do you go from this...

How the fuck are you suppose to do this with a mouse?

...to this?

What tools do you have?

What do you mean?

Cred Forums tools

I can't access the site from here. What tools does it give you? Pencil, brush, what?

Turn your sensitivity down.

doodleordie.com/c/eCvaGRHy7X I really really like this chain

I'm in that one!

I don't know why shitposters are saying this is not vidya when it literally is.

Sean and Sasuke on the front page !

>those faggots who write the word "No" when they don't want to draw something

Noice. I drew the first dat boi playing tony hawk picture.

Damm, son, outskilled
>doodleordie.com/c/JCMigJ2tJD

Thanks user, you did something really cute with my suggestion.

I want the Jojo fags to leave

I took this screenshot years ago.

Aaand it's over.

Not too sure about that last drawing, though.

some cunt is killing all my chains by requesting final fantasy characters turned to stone

A man's gotta feed his fetishes, man.

I swear I've started like 8 chains by now and none are getting replied to

iktf

Link them?

>Really proud of my drawings
>Don't want to post them myself and look like an ass
>Secretly hope someone else posts them

Sharktits?

Just post them and pretend to be someone else.

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doodleordie.com/c/128vtYCt7I

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Thanks, it looks like the next person figured out my trick though.

had to draw this one, but skipped it (:

Ignoring the first few posts, this chain is pretty ace.

Wish that this website didn't suck ass on mobile

How the fuck is this a chain breaker?

doodleordie.com/c/1CH5sJHteI

Hard to do with the giant YOURS! but fuck it

Oh did some shit in another chain, so all his posts where retconned

That's gay.

The fuck is this Where can i join

>moonman

here doodleordie.com/r/xklsSpQmi

>The M is still readable even when reversed in the mirror
Rookie mistake

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10/10

Who the fuck drew this?

Fucking 10/10 to whoever drew this

>originally thought DoD meant Day of Defeat

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
JOJOFAGS GET OUT

doodleordie.com/c/e2Sz_LHPJB
for those with mental deficiencies

kek

>like someone's doodle
>click the heart button next to the post
>go to my profile
>click likes
>it just displays all the shitty images i drew

>draw with no effort
>likes
>draw with effort
>no likes

kek

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I'm scared.

My sides

thanks doc

fucking hell that's good

I'm glad you liked it.

holy shit this killed me

Sometimes I just don't know.

This hurt my hand. Fuck you, user.

>That response
Why can I actually picture this happening?

BIG

>posting your own drawings
not cool

How does this actually work? Someone tells you what to draw, and someone else has to guess what you drew?

Yes, exactly like that

Where are the shark tits and renamon?

Alright, it can be fixed. What is wrong with showing off, though?

>This hurt my hand. Fuck you, user.

user 1 starts by typing a random phrase.
Then user 2 has to draw that phrase.
Then user 3 has to guess what the 2 drawed.
Then user 4 has to draw what 3 described.
etc.

Sometimes you start the drawing with no prompt, but otherwise yes.

It's a depiction of a description of a depiction of a description of a depiction of a situation described by some OP.

it's pretty gay

MEATY

You don't guess. You describe, then another user will draw a picture based on your description. It's like Chinese whispers but with pictures.

user, we need to talk.

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I have reason to believe #5 is colorblind.

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So do you guys still draw crocodiles playing tubas?

That FOTM is long gone.

>tfw you get a little heart

What video game is this?

A little bro-tip: don't just describle in detail what's happening in the picture, write down the general idea behind it. It gives the next person some room and leads to more interesting chains.

or over-describe something really simple

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please don't be guy number 3

what's the room name

Doodle or Die. Someone draws something, someone else describes the drawing, a third person tries to draw the description, so on and so forth.

The fuck are you talking about user

Cred Forums Video Games

I just got that one.

I hope you like my drawing. :3

STOP THIS MADNESS

You've been shadowbanned, brotato.

That's not a thing that happens

Never

>mfw looking at the all time top rated doodles

Makes me realize how shit I am at drawing

>A DoD thread

What the fuck, it's been like 4 years. I'm all for a renaissance though.

One of mine's up there, still can't understand why.

With Doodle or Die, you'll get all the practice you can handle. If you put effort into it.

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fuck

>Sharktits
Oh god that takes me back

The amount of JC Denton is off the charts.

I'm adding to it however.

Is ths dead?

Woah my fuck, didn't expect that!

I am at Cred Forums room but it is fucking empty.

>reply to a Dentonpost with a line from the game
>guy who follows up doesn't recognise it and draws something else entirely

What a shame.

Everyone's either asleep or at work.

Where they work at?

It's sunday, americans are gonna join up later

The Meme Mines.

not right now

I'm here and playing

>tfw you get a like

>I'm halfway through the thread and there's not a single Drag-On Dragoon picture
>wait

I'm at work, so no dod untill in like 5 hours.

>tfw you get six on one image

CLAWS

>Draw a picture you're really proud of
>No likes
>Person guesses something completely wrong

>ome fucker names Sweetbags keeps breaking the chains

>tfw you get six likes in total

>the drawing person understands your description but decides to draw it slightly different to fuck it up on purpose

shit

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>None of the chains you start get contributed to
>every chain you touch dies
the worst feel

>supposedly am in the Cred Forums room
>people don't recognize either castlevania or planescape torment
Come on...

>Person guesses something completely wrong
It's good to know the rules of a game before you start playing, user.

The chains I'm in almost all get completed, but for some reason the ones I start never get any posts.

Maybe my ideas are just too shit.

consider why

Post link.

I drew a beautiful picture of Todd Howard and the fucker couldn't guess it

Didn't even know about the top hat

doodleordie.com/c/7HZiqJXPeB

Shit that was my response on the bottom

>spend about an hour drawing a smug anime face
>chain is probably going to die
god dammit

You mean Robin Williams?

I'm the picture guy, evangelion was exactly what I was trying to reference with the Golgotha. Good respose

>spend forever drawing
>not even sure why

help

That is a shame but I get the reference but I can't draw Dracula. I suck.

Damn, that sucks.

Are we not supposed to google things we don't know about?

I feel like 50% of these drawings involve Hitler or Nazi's in some way.

I also drew the Toddster, but I made him shill Fallout 4 so that made it easy to guess.

Do you really have to make an account to play

Seems like it, you dont have to enter an email though

If you don't know about it, you either skip it or, if you have no skips left, you just try your best to make something that fits the description the best you can.

>spend forever living
>not even sure why

I wouldn't know what the fuck that reference is either

>but muh videogames I PLAYED are the true gamer vidya!!

>tfw existential crisis

>updated my journal

I just spent 30 minutes drawing something.

What am I doing with my life?

you're making us laugh with your sweet drawings, friend

Props to this talented artist for giving me a chuckle

This is fucking good

Context nao

my drawing wasn't even that funny though

it's funny for us, friend

doodleordie.com/c/1HnytKuPJB

That was fast, thanks.

It apparently was a final moment complete derailment of a previous development. Who would have guessed.

I just realized I've been doodling away all day. At least it is practice.

can you draw things for me to jerk off to?

This is how chains die, why did he have to put his cuck meme when it wasn't anywhere in the description and ignored everything else

Goddamn it, I want a tablet so badly now. I've been spending 15 minutes on shit I could probably pull of in 5.

This fucking chain man.
good shit
doodleordie.com/c/7R4iAkEy7D

There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who dont have the script that gives them all the colors.

how does the system know to change his username to chainbreaker?

you have to report them

Is there a way on mobile to draw without your screen moving everywhere?

>Someone posts your art
Feels good man

>spend forever on drawing
>zero likes

brbsuicide`

Nice, saved.

No. Ultimately you decide what you jerk off to, though.

I'm not averse to a titillating picture now and then, though, and DoD seems to be bringing up the worst in me.

Lmao you got the same problem as well huh?

>spend forever drawing
Chain dies
kms

I just want to draw mang

What the fuck is "SS+GOMAD" and how do I draw it?

>he isn't a /fit/izen

super sayans going mad?

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Can't you use anything else

>uchoo
kek

I have no idea who that is or what "trap rap" is, but apparently I nailed it.

Draw a Sturmfuhrer chugging a gallon of milk

>that one asshole who keep brining up barnyfag for no reason and ruining good chains

Didn't expect to wake up to see my doodle. Cool.

gets me every time

report and move on

it's just trap

it's just harder, weirder rap that's mostly about doing drugs and forgetting how awful life is

trap is basically rap but with really fucking annoying precussion

Can't you use anything else

>someone skipped describing this
who the fuck skips descriptions anyway
what the fuck is wrong with you

how do you know when someone skips?

Is that Marge Simpson?

chain ends

who /oldfag/ here

Fuck me, that's impressive

Oh shit, it does? I thought there was a fixed limit of links.

I have to sign up to this shit now?

Chain ends at the 18th post no matter what.

Chains always end at 18, you giant mong.

it could be. Use your animation.

I was really going for generic anime moeblob shit but who am I to disagree if you're into marge simpson. Follow your dreams user

>bright yellow skin
>blue hair

Doesn't look like animu to me, user.

nononfrag is far too talented

>use your animation
Go to sleep.

rice skin
anime hair
looks like anime to me

Do you use some kind of external tool to draw outside the canvas?

that's yaranaika, not jojo fag

What room are WE in?

Cred Forums - Video Games

doodleordie.com/c/8Gp9Z4mq7E

>the bird keeps changing

Cred Forums room

I love how "emo fuccboi with blue hair" is enough of a description for everyone to know which character you're talking about.

>tfw most of your chains died of old age or are stuck in limbo

>not in the Cred Forums room
come on man.

It's rap sung by people with down's

Cred Forums

>look at Cred Forums room
>all that good art
haha time to fuck it all up

is there a way i can view all the posts I've given a like to?

>this is chain braker

top right, profile, likes

those are the likes given to you

>drawing with a mouse
kill me

>spend forever on a drawing with my mouse
>post directly after is chain breaker

fuck my life.

>drawing with a touchpad

Chainbreaker you really need to fuck off

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>that guy who keeps derailing chains with Cred Forums shit
I mean I don't mind if that shit is on topic but come on man, you're just being an ass

Gondolus here just in case anyone wants to yell at me for something

Guys guys

any good drawing device that I can buy right now so I can actually enjoy this game

ps4 pro

I don't know why but I fucking lost it
Good job guys

xbox one

Half the fun is trying to draw something good and it comes out like shit anyway

If you're gonna buy a tablet, buy a Wacom one.

>the drawing + description combo derails the Persona 3 train
>the next drawer accidentally brings it back anyway
feels so good

Quick! Post your stats!

Fuck, I lost it too. Saved.

I have a Huion and I'm doing fine. It does snarl and groan though.

>We need a new drawing! Draw anything you like!

AWWWWW FUCKKKK YEAAAHHHHHH

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I just started today after seeing this thread.

Fuck, my shoulder hurts like shit now thanks to all this mouse usage.

I think this might actually convince me to become a non-NEET so I can buy my own fucking tablets and a decent non-potato computer.

106 Steps, 5 Likes.

It's honestly more than I expected.

>tfw you can't stop me from adding my shitty drawings

This is what I get for wasting the day.

Vain as it is, I like it

>sonic shits himself so hard he loses rings

I just laughed so hard I think I lost some rings,.

just started yesterday. you can grind likes with lewds

pic related

How do you retards hold your mice? I've been drawing for the best part of the last two days and I'm perfectly fine.

Im pretty sure my art is amazing, no need to be jelous silly boys

Regular palm grip. I've already gone down to 400dpi to draw, might lower it more to ease it up.

To be fair I've been having shoulder issues for the past month or so thanks to always being tense as fuck even when browsing Cred Forums.

>I made the first frog
feelsgoodmane

Ye

>I made the last frog

didn't think it was that good but I got a

Old as fuck account.

I laughed too mate, you're not alone.

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>want to learn how to draw
>already have a tablet
>no idea how to practice drawing

NEW DRAWING
help me Cred Forums
what should I draw??

You're waifu.

How do I eliminate pen lag? I've always had this fucking problem with Pixiv and Doodle or Die

>how to practice drawing
draw

1) Your favorite video game
2) epic meme
3) porn

>haven't drawn in ages

>no tablet so I'm stuck with a dumb mouse

You're in the perfect thread for that, mate.

we have a board dedicated to drawing maybe you could go there

Have you tried THIS ENTIRE THREAD

literally go up there and draw doodles until you get decent.

also /ic/ and LOOMIS.

>spend forever drawing
>chain sits in limbo forever as nobody responds

okay

Draw your favorite non-mainstream character and cry when no one recognizes it

Alas, poor feel! I know it, user.

oh hey
I contributed to not recognizing this!

Should've drawn a forklift in the background m80.

>windows default tablet service is fucking with my huion tablet

Cred Forums sure loves Blinky

>this chain
doodleordie.com/c/7RZNCPDs7I
I can't say I saw that ending coming

why do so many people post an image without the description? That defeats the entire purpose of doodle or die

>Tfw I have 0 creativity for comments and I suck at art

My drawing is in there!

The spikeman saying "it sucks"

That was pretty good, actually.

>tfw nobody has posted my art

which one of you retards

>out of skips
>get something I have no idea how to draw

Use ViziblrFixMyPen

I wanted to add something about a 40k nerd being mad, but then I googled it and it was actually about E.Y.E.
LOL

Right, I've got a few hours to sleep before work. Keep this alive and I will return tomorrow!

Go to another room then. Anime & Video Games, Cred Forums Videogames or Cred Forums.

What should the next player draw, anons?

Dragon dildos.

Boobies

Wait is that Gene or Ryo?

workin on it

>tfw you're the least talented drawer on this entire game

How bad could you be? Show us some of your work

i just took the longest time to draw wario, but all my time was put into writing "haha"

>my chemical romance
PLEB ALERT

but user that award goes to me

Who keeps putting Wario in stuff?

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IT WAS SPIDER-MAN 2, YOU RETARD. SPIDER-MAN 3 IS WHEN HE GETS THE BLACK SUIT. HE STOPS BEING SPIDER-MAN IN THE SECOND MOVIE WITH DOC OCK.

fuck OFF leonardo

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>Draw: LUIGI GIANTESS VORE R34
>out of skips

Holy shit, I'm dead.

You like that little man?

WELL Cred Forums,
do YOU know the game?

saved

Laser pointing and transhumanism simulator

Raw Data?

145 steps, 29 likes

I AM THE WORDS AND THE WORDS ARE I

talos principle?

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Haydee

its talos principle, how the fuck do people not know

it's a bit niche

Puzzle FPS is all the rage right now

WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE

u wot m8

So where to go? All i see is signing in and some 4 year old rooms. Give me a LINK

I use the monoprice one.

Damn nigga you stupid
doodleordie.com/r/xklsSpQmi

>start 5 doodle chains almost in a row
>no one draws them

what's with all these jojofags

Wait, 2 people liked my drawing

There's hope!!!

>tfw someone liked my drawing

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I'm proud of this one

Yo I wrote that bro, not seeing what's wrong with it
What would you have put oh wise doodle sage?

doodleordie.com/c/7RXPHT7teX
This fucking chain

KEK

literally nothing about the image was homoerotic you mongoloid

furry content like the pink panther brings homoeroticism to everything

it's a colourful interpretation; but I can see where it stems from.

Way to be boring, assmunch

Guys stop fighting in front of the baby.

(I'm the baby.)

>in user's world things are either gay or boring

Man the fuck up baby, you won't get to suck on mommas soft tiddie all life.

*Unzips diaper

Pretty much Cred Forums in general

Jesus christ.

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>he thinks homosexuals aren't funny

Why are you so lewd, Cred Forums?

You don't understand what he's doing

there isn't that much lewd stuff in the Cred Forums room

i don't know what you're seeing.

That's not possible!

Nobody's ever been able to do that!

shut up and let me suck your dick faggot

>proud of a drawing
>someone writes some bullshit about it
>gets stuck in the void

holy shit, good work

>draw something after spending 15 minutes on it
>nobody has responded in 3 hours

I love this chain.
doodleordie.com/c/1RJLvYALJX

>looking through your 4 year old post history

>unfortunate

I love how similar the last 3 are.

T-thanks user

Really makes you think.

>make a simple, funny doodle
>drawfags comes in further down the chain and draws some overly complex shit
>he gets 200 likes, I get 3
I fucking hate drawfags. Can't you let those of us not born with a magic ticket have some fun once in a fucking while?

user please i can't handle this right now

>work hard on a doodle
>can't wait to see where it goes
>"""description""" is "wow this is the greatest thing i have ever seen"
fucking why

post chain i want to see this

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>I didnt come out of the womb with a finished masterpiece therefore I am doomed to be bad at art

Go read a beginners art book ya dingus, even shitty mouse doodles will benefit immensely.
You may even begin to have fun with it.

Getting real sick of these fucking stepped on a lego memelords

Holy shit every entry there was amazing

>a day in the life of Anthony Burch

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We have reached equilibrium.

hey i added mine

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I'm a failure

>every 5 threads is a WE WUZ KANGS joke
>this meme is over a year old and people still think it's the funniest shit

>not giving a like to the last dude
rude

doodleordie.com/c/72mgyYDA1I

God chain

t. guy who's been drawing since he was 4 and can recreate The Last Supper in under 2 minutes with his eyes closed

No more Lego stepping...

Use a mouse.

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>495 likes

Sharktits or GTFO.

>0 likes

I worked long and hard for that magic ticket, and I'm not gonna let some lazy wynaut get in the way of the dick sucking I deserve

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I don't understand

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spics i fuckin swear

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How do we ban people

WHAT IS WITH THIS FUCKING BUG WHERE I LET GO OF THE MOUSE BUTTON BUT THE LINE KEEPS DRAWING THEN DISAPPEARS WHEN I CLICK

FUCING STOP

STTTTOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPP

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Is there any way to do this only describing pictures? I'm pretty witty when it comes to the descriptions, but I can't draw for shit and I don't enjoy it.

Just be careful not to click outside the window.

HOW DO YOU PEOPLE DRAW SO GOOD

WHY DO YOU CHEAT BY NOT USING A MOUSE

hah, I was in that thread

report them

doodleordie.com/c/eHbFtEmP7D
You've all done well.

You could use your skips on everything but descriptions. You'd have to spend the next hour doing nothing, though. Just don't be one of those faggots who writes "I dunno lol soz XDD" when they can't be bothered to draw.

When will you cigarettes learn to turn down your sensitivity?

baka desu senpai.

keep pressing report until they're shadowbanned

I'm using only a mouse, faggot.

lower your sensitivity and git good.

Hey, I'm in that!

i was a describer though so i didn't get to contribute any good drawings

Gave up on finishing this when I realised I spent way too long on a reference no-one was going to get

Me too.

I got to draw, but it was early on before Mario became Coldsteel the Hedgehog.

The girl in his pic, Flandre (touhou) is 495 years old

jesus

Hey, it's Trogdor

Same. I drew fedora Mario in the flame shirt

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>Mariocube waters his rose garden

Kek

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>Preston Garvey helps establish a settlement

>pls stop being better than me :'((((
top jej
git gud

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Damn my shitty drawing skills

amazing

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>tfw someone posts your drawing

feels good

>get a heart for the shittiest drawing you ever did

I've stopped drawing properly because whenever I do it just gets derailed into random irrelevant shit.

>Not just doodling
>Tfw put a little bit of time into a picture so its not perfect but its funny
>Spending all your time trying to be the best and not just trying to have fun

>put a little bit of time into a picture so its not perfect but its funny
This.

Just make sure you can convey what you're trying to convey.

My description was aaaaaaaaa

this gave me a laff

Can't change colours or click anything, HELP ME I WANNA DRAW!

Just refresh

Goddamn, it's so disappointing to see people not even a tiny bit of effort into these drawings. I'm just assuming you people are there to write descriptions and hope someone draws something cool with what you wrote.

10/10 anons

doodleordie.com/c/7CWvqZ8y7I
KEK

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This is my favorite one so far.

first to reply starts the chain

As someone with actual drawing skills I can say that it takes a frustrating amount of work to get anything to look decent with DoD's shitty coding

Something that could take me 5 min on any drawing software takes 30 minutes on DoD

Butts

hahaha butts

lucina blowjob

What, the drawing or the response?

This is actually a very good reaction image.

it can be made a bit more tollerable with some userscripts but yeah without having at least 1 extra layer anything beyond lines takes way more time than normal