Remember when indie video games developers were against censorship and political correctness in video games...

Remember when indie video games developers were against censorship and political correctness in video games? Now we have the totally opposite: loud infamous indie developers not only supporting political correctness in video games but also demanding from the whole industry to follow their example.

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Only the talentless ones.
The guys with real talent either found work in big companies or formed their own studios.

Got any examples?

The only indie devs that just to my mind are Ed (who did Binding of Isaac and some other projects) who just does not give a fuck, thankfully; and that couple who made Vampire Dishwasher and Salt & Sanctuary.

They're some of the more popular indie devs and I've never associated them with SJW's.

Because right now vidya industry is full of people with other frustrated careers.

I never said that all indie developers are SJWs. I refereed to the loud ones like Brianna Wu and Phil Fish. Many talented indie creators focus at making awesome games and not at twitter drama.

Brianna Wu I can get behind, yeah. I've seen some of her Twitter posts and they seem far too angry and alienating than someone actually trying to drum up game sales should be.

I think Fish was just a cunt, honestly. He got burned out making a game and hated critics even though he knew he was releasing material into a creative, subjective space.

Ηe soon got into SJW mode, like you would expect from a salty talentless cuck like him.

Wu shouldnt even count. Their "game" is one of the most disgusting looking things I've ever had the displeasure to lay eyes on.

Video games are now bigger deal than ever before, and people just don't know what to do with it. It's a billion dollar industry yet people swallow bullshit like DLC, early access, crowd funding, and censorship. That kind of shit would never ever fly with music or movie industry.
It may be because for the longest time video games were just something nerds and kids were playing, pretty much just digital equivalent for toys, and thus people can't take them seriously. That also means there are people who are ashamed to like something that could be interpreted as toys, and then they get all snobby and pretentious ala Phil Fish because they think they're above it.

Imagine if someone started to whine about "rape culture" in movies or something, they would be laughed out of the industry and get parodied on all the comedy shows. But if when the same whining is done about video games, there actually would be people who fully agree with that rhetoric.

I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

Game developers have always been predominantly liberal, because it's a creative medium, and liberals are more creative than conservatives.

I know this is a bait, but for those who don't know; political correctness has never meant treating people with respect. It simply means what is acceptable at the moment in the current political climate. There was a time when publicly calling black people niggers was politically correct.

Show me where the Stardew Valley dev was demanding the industry impose censorship and political correctness.

Both games at the pictures look shit.

It will be interesting to see how quickly she can burn through her parents money and what happens when they say no more.

She can still leech money from her white knights in typical feminazi fashion.

But does it even matter? The video game industry is vast enough that theres room for everybody, from Phil Fish to Gaben. People can say what they want about how games "should be", and people can even agree with them. Just because an indie dev who thinks video games make people rapists or some shit has a small following doesn't mean anything is going to change.

political correctness or not, SCMRPG is an awful game

I agree, it doesn't matter if someone wants to make ultra-pc games that don't offend anyone. As long as they don't enforce their standards on everyone, it's all good, because in the end of the day it's the gamers who choose the standard. Games like Sunset get weeded out because they try to be something they're not, and shitting on the target audience of the medium is never a good move. Same thing happens with shitty movies ie. Ghostbusters reboot.

yeah yeah except valve never been leftist or liberals until it was forced upon them, also compare budged and experience in game making for both games... if you try to make point at least make sure its valid and not made up but you leftist are know to be lying sacks of trash that will twist everything to suit your twisted needs

at what point did you look at this picture and go "yes, this is an accurate representation of my argument and i would like it saved to my hard drive"

How are Valve SJWs? They allowed Hatred didn't they?

>now we have the totally opposite

No, now we have the censorship of the politically correct mentally ill. Neither extreme is good, but at least the political right allowed controversial games to come out with a simple rating system. Now if you insult the beta orbiter male feminists or purple haired radfems, you get harassed on social media, your offices get flooded with calls from mentally ill people, and the scum writing game blogs work in unison to destroy word of mouth on your product.

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Valve has always been liberal.

The tech industry has always leaned left, but they were kept in check up until 2008 when white guilt and political correctness became mandatory.

You mean treating other people with respect?

I don't think you realize that in the 80's and 90's games were even more censored. Things were even more strict with changes like bars/pubs to cafes or refrences to death being completely covered up. Around the later 90's and early 2000's things were probably at their best honestly. During that time the market was growing but still populated generally by people who actually played videogames, developers had more freedom due to the more general audience.

They are the ultimate hipsters, they support something that's not common or even unheard of and when it becomes popular they abandon it and start doing the contrary.

Valve are not "SJWs." "SJW" != "Liberal" you fucking child. I'm a liberal leftist and I think SJWs are all ineffectual pieces of shit.

>the only message I want in video games is one that agrees with me
You're a hypocritical piece of garbage. If you had said you want no message in video games I would at least understand your opinion. But you just want a game to parrot whatever your flavor of the month ideology is.
So make your own. Its not very hard. You don't even need to know how to code very well.

>She
>her

Dude's got a cock, bros.

You mean disrespecting yourself and your peers so you can bend over for a small group of people that offer absolutely nothing of benefit to you or anybody else?

It's not like the "Video games are sinful degeneracy which leads good Christian children away from the sacred teachings of God and should be banned" Christian right suddenly disappeared.

If Cruz won the nomination then they'd be a real threat this election.

>The guys with real talent either found work in big companies or formed their own studios.
No, most of them left the industry altogether right around when the big publishers started vertically integrating.

It, has an axe wound now.

>My friends and I finally stepped the fuck up and started work on our first indie game.
>Friend points out that one of our ideas could potentially offend people by being culturally insensitive.
>Laugh it up because we plan on releasing our game for free anyway, so we can do whatever we want.

It's actually not even that edgy of an idea, and it's appropriate thematically and for the setting. Still nice not having to worry about that kind of thing, what with money being taken out of the equation because we don't want to make our passion project into a job. Stuff like losing sales when people flood you game with bad press, social media harassment from the overly sensitive, people trying to get your game taken off Steam, etc.

Don't really think Coma White, The Dope Show or I don't like The Drugs (but the drugs like me) inspire aggression & rage.

You want Holy Wood or Antichrist Superstar

And what are you demanding from them, user?

>Imagine if someone started to whine about "rape culture" in movies or something, they would be laughed out of the industry
lel

How to spot the myopic Cred Forumsirgin who has no experiences outside of his immediate frame of reference of VIDEO GAMES

>political correctness has never meant treating people with respect.
Except for this day and age.

don't cocktease and say what the idea is

>at least the political right allowed controversial games to come out with a simple rating system.
It was actually the criticism of Democratic senators that led to the creation of the ESRB while the right was represented by Jack Thompson, and despite what Cred Forums may have told you, not even Anita has sunk to his level.

>Now if you insult the beta orbiter male feminists or purple haired radfems, you get harassed on social media, your offices get flooded with calls from mentally ill people,
This is projection, isn't it?

everything just went upside down

The right-wingers make no such distinction, you're an SJW to them, stop trying to appease them by being "one of the good ones".

stay mad white boy

I don't like viraling my own stuff (plus it will take a few years to complete anyway since we're developing it Cave Story style), but the game is a Horror-Western Metroidvania. One section of the game will involve killing large amounts of Native American themed enemies, ranging from straight up Indians to monsters inspired by their culture.

It's also important to note that our protagonist is a white male.

I do.

Fucking democrats...there's nothing they can't destroy. Our school system and colleges are a joke, now our media is a marxist nightmare and our government has gone full big brother.

Movies are a weird medium. On one hand you have the gigantic mainstream side, which depends on the market, and if the market turns SJW, they do too. And since most SJW are too stupid to look beyond simple entertainment like Harry Potter or Star Wars, this side gets affected hard. Most games are like this, so it's obvious vidya are often pressured to this.

The "arthouse" side is unaffected by SJW because of artistic integrity, and due to the age of the medium, it has a strong following to this day. Vidya is a young medium, so the more "artistic" (as in "done for aesthetic and personal purpoises") side of it is small, with a few games like, idk, Yume Nikki, have some notoriety.

Movies suck as a medium anyway.

>her

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This is what the consensus of the gaming press promotes.

THOMPSONSOFT
NEVER FORGET !

>talent
>big companies
Are you serious right now?

>And since most SJW are too stupid to look beyond simple entertainment like Harry Potter or Star Wars, this side gets affected hard. Most games are like this, so it's obvious vidya are often pressured to this.
What does this say about Cred Forums, really.

Don't answer that, I already know they're basically the same people.

>The "arthouse" side is unaffected by SJW because of artistic integrity
This is also where you'll find the most "SJW" movies though. Just like in video games. When you don't have to bother with mass appeal and can do what you want, you can make weird radical statements.

>Movies suck as a medium anyway.
Well that's just like, your opinion man.

Time to grow up kiddos
Your toy makers have grown up and left you behind
Being edgy and retarded isn't cool anymore

>valve are SJWs
I don't recall selling games like Nekopara and HOTROD being an SJW thing

Good, you've taken the first step to the next wave of feminism, brother. Now you just need to take the next step in honoring women -- by castrating yourself to prevent your penis from ever violating a woman ever again.

Combined with your beard, fake glasses, and pink hair, you will transcend humanity, and show that no man needs a penis.

They took it down at first, then Newell spun it into a PR stunt.

>I can get behind

I mean, it helps that you wouldn't see their face, but I still think that's a pretty bad position to be in

Aren't SJWs supposed to be hypocrites?

I guess I'm an SJW then. As my first act as an SJW, I shall write "BLACK LIVES DON'T MATTER" on this imageboard.

BLACK LIVES DON'T MATTER

different generations, it is not a single entity you are thinking off, the people of the current time form the indi devs of now keep that in mind

>I guess I'm an SJW then.
I am not surprised.

>Antichrist Superstar
I glad I never rided the edgy teen mmanson ride during highschool, those fucking retards were cringy as fuck, and its just the people I knew or all the marinlyn manson fans are the kids that never left home town and are working in burger king?

never because it's bait you fucking retard

fuck indies
post more of that

It's good bait tho because it's true.

Marilyn Manson is fucking garbage, it's only natural it attracts emo retards not unlike CAN'T WAKE UP - the band

He has a handful of good songs, but I've never been what you would call a fan. Dude puts on a hell of a show though; I saw him at Ozzfest one year and he was one of the best performers there.

Daily reminder that hatred is the kind of games that developers would be making if the goobers had their way with the industry

Stupid americans and their false dichotomy

are you sure? Because the market only cares about what sells.

Then why nintendo is still making home consoles?

>and show that no man needs a penis

Because they choose to.

Thuy bei on my hanem bu gotch

My older sister will still listen to Evanescence, to this day.
And she maintains that they're a good band, which she's told me when I visited her and said it was cringey emo shit of a thankfully bygone era.
Anyways, something even worse? Three Days Grace. Awful.

Exactly.

What point do you think you're making?

Politics follow money.

Game devs only pretend to be liberals because it keeps their wages up. A lot of those who oppose it just keep quiet to keep their jobs.People are more likely to buy that which agrees with their politics, not what is necessarily well done.

This is a gaming INDUSTRY, not a movement of self expression.

Is he seriously plaming democrats for the state of anerican education?

The first thing our newly elected conservative governor did was cut education budgets.

I lean conservative but their attitude towards education is a goddamn joke.

>People are more likely to buy that which agrees with their politics
though apolitical media sells better than lefty doodoo.

>Is he seriously plaming democrats for the state of anerican education?
>The first thing our newly elected conservative governor did was cut education budgets.
>implying common core was ever good

>or formed their own studios
How?

shit I need to take a fucking dump

The loudest devs are the ones who actually have nothing meaningful to add. Fez was mediocre and a lot of it was stolen and Revolution 60 sucked huge balls.

They're kinda like dogs, really.

remember when video games defended white fragile egos

Number of copies sold doesn't equals revenue. You have to think about company image, shareholders, stock, marketing costs, etc.

Fuck off, underage. There have been zealots trying to censor mediums from music to movies since day one, and they have been laughed at ever since. But in video games, the big people in charge are actually defending censorship. Can you imagine some big rockstar back in the 80s shooting himself in the foot and turning his back against the fans by "admitting" that rock music is harmful? That never happened.
But with video games the people in charge -who supposedly love video games- are actually pro-censorship.

I also remember when they had a legit passion for making games and didn't just make fucking "Roguelikes" or walking simulators and then demand money to fall into their laps.

???

Don't think conservatives are too supportive of sexual stuff

Daily reminder that Hatred was actually an alright game for the price it asked for, but was ultimately basic without mods and buggy on the first week of launch. If Twitter's knee jerk activism didn't call their trailers "misogynistic racist murder porn for goofy goblins," it would have sadly fallen into obscurity with the other B titles.

>666
Yeah sure

Clearly

That was actually supposed to be a secret ending, but how the fuck would anyone not enter that or 420

you research the market for what's in demand, or take a risk and try advertising and creating a new trend. And your response doesn't follow what I said at all.

>politics follow money

then why does media built from the ground up with a regressive left agenda always bomb with the masses?

>politics follow money
this is what leftists believe, it's not that money follows market demand. If their garbage doesn't sell, they blame it on an ISM; that's why the need the government to control everything.

Wrong. The trend is politics, therefore developers think they are cashing in a new enterprise, when in reality games are catered to the lowest common denominator.

These games will sell but it has nearly nothing to do with politics, instead videogames are normalized into society.

>Silky smooth 25fps on that equalizer

>inspire aggression and rage
>uses Manson's poppiest album