Dreamcast>PS2 by a LOT

yeah this is coming from a playstation 2 fag

>PS2 is the reason why Dreamcast became irrelevant and Sega stopped making consoles.
here we go with this again

OP is a newfaggot

Segagaga got ported? is it import friendly?

It also helped that Sega made some idiotic business decisions, but that doesn't mean the PS2 didn't play a part of it.

but gamecube has more and better jrpgs than ps2

PS2 only played a small part of the dreamcast failures. it was doing well but sega was still losing a shit ton of money and had to drop support

>Metal Gear Solid 2+3
>Devil May Cry 1-3
>Kingdom Hearts 1+2
>Final Fantasy X-XII
>GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas
>Dues Ex
>Half Life
>Max Payne
>Dark Cloud 1+2
>Jak Series
>Ratchet and Clank Series
>God Hand
>Rogue Galaxy
>Dragon Quest 8
>Wild Arms 4
>Siren
>Cold Fear
>Clock Tower 3
>Resident Evil outbreak 1+2, 4
>Ultimate Spiderman
>The Warriors
>Okami
>The Punisher
>Dead 2 Rights
>Indigo Prophecy
>Simpsons Hit and Run
>Persona 3+4
>Red Sonja
>Nightmare Before Christmas
>Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3
>Street Fighter Vs Capcom
>Zone of Enders 1+2
>SOTC
>Socom
>SW battlefront 1+2
>Soul Caliber 3
>Yakuza 1+2
>Star Ocean 3

Just off the top of my head compared too

>Shenmue
>Jet Grind
>POWERSTONE
>Skies of Arcadia

Some deluded fags itt

List exclusive gamecube jrpg that are not in the ps2.
I'm curious.

>adding multiplats into the ps2 list
>forgetting games like PSO, crazy taxi, space channel 5, etc.

kys

PS2 was an underpowered shovelwarestation that felt cheap to the touch

The only reason it became as popular as it did was because for a good amount of time it was one of the cheaper DVD players. Unfortunately it also led to a fuck ton of normies "getting into gaming" because they played madden and whatever other stupid shit they play which has led to the industry to cater to that taste

Did it have some good games? Yeah, but all the other consoles had better exclusives

Paper Mario is a platformer-rpg
Zelda games are action-rpg
PSO I&2 are hack&slash rpg

The only jrpgs I can think of on the GC is Baten Kaitos and Skies of Arcadia.

jrpgs are any rpg made in Japan, stop being retarded

DC was so good that it forced Sega to go third party lmao

>forgetting MSR, Gundam Side Story, Illbleed, Blue Stinger, D2, Maken X, Cannon Spike, Border Down, Zero Gunner 2, etc

Dumb fuck.

>if sega never went third party the best gamecube game would have never existed

>Implying those games arent shit for autists

Here's the same list with exclusives only, still better then any console released in history

>Metal Gear Solid 3
>Devil May Cry 1-3
>Kingdom Hearts 1+2
>Final Fantasy X-XII
>

>Dark Cloud 1+2
>Jak Series
>Ratchet and Clank Series
>God Hand
>Rogue Galaxy
>Dragon Quest 8
>Wild Arms 4
>Siren
>Cold Fear
>Clock Tower 3
>Resident Evil outbreak 1+2,
>Okami
>Persona 3+4
>Red Sonja
>Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3
>Street Fighter Vs Capcom
>Zone of Enders 1+2
>SOTC
>Socom

>Soul Caliber 3
>Yakuza 1+2
>Star Ocean 3

I still get laid when I want too

Dreamcast had a lot going for it. I was amazed the first time I played a 3d game in 60fps. And dat resolution. FMVs were beautiful. Arcade style games were fun. Fighting games were nice.

If it had the 3rd party support that Sony had at the time, and if Microsoft didn't make X-box, who knows what would have happened.

>Implying those games arent shit for autists

stopped reading right here, if you cant appreciate good exclusives from other consoles your opinion isnt worth reading.

RIP Amusement Vision. Now half of them are making Yakuza games until the end of time, and the other half are making Sonic Olympics trash until the end of time.

I loved DC but PS2 was way better.

Does Dreamcast have Shadow of the Colossus? Devil May Cry? Dot Hack? Pretty much any game that isn't by Sega and isn't a sports, racing or fighting game?

oh please sonnygger can't you tell it's bait

nobody cares about PS2 muh best console history

PS2 is shit, only poor people had it

nope but it got thiz

Does the PS2 have Shenmue? Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage? Segagaga?

Does PS2 have Illbleed? Blue Maken X? Frame Gride? Project Justice?

do you enjoy life as an edgy contrarian OP?

is contrarian a meme?

>Shenmue
Pretty much one of the first movie-game, I don't hate it but it's not my cup of tea.
>Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage
Relatively decent game but definitevely not in par with the ps2 has.
>Segagaga
Basically the "Requiem" from Sega, never played it but from the looks I don't think it's that great, maybe it has some good dialogue but the gameplay looks bad (also never released outside japan).

>Blue Maken X
PS2 has a remake of it with other name.

The rest are all shitty exclusives with exception of maybe Project Justice, and old fighting games are not worth playing nowdays.

>Games are what matter

I wish that were the case, but people nowadays seem to care more about graphics and framerate than anything.

All of those you listed are multiplats you fucking idiot.

yes, because their were no movie games on the sega cd. fuck off you clearly dont know shit about games with your shit tier opinions

>Nightmare Before Christmas
>Simpson's Hit and Run

Do you people just add anything that exists just to pad out your list of games?

>COMPLETELY missing my point

stay retarded

>Zelda
>RPG
Guys, I found the IGN reviewer

Not bashing the game, just said that I don't like it, for me it tries to be many things at the same time and excels in none of them.

>he rest are all shitty exclusives

So you never played them. Gotcha.

You're the retarded one if you actually think the DC has anywhere near the quantity of quality games as the PS2. Sorry your console got fucked.

>moviegames
>JRPG trash
>quality

nice backpedaling faggot

I like gamecube more but ps2 was better out of those two.

comparing a list of games that a console accumulated in one big lifetime compared to a short lived console is a bit unfair

Dreamcast is the ultimate tribute and mastery of gameplay and the extension body onto screen.

From the arcade to the simulation, to the combination of both halves in Shenmue.

From F355 Challenge to Sega Sports Jam to Aerowings to Sega Rally to 2K series to Shenmue. The Dreamcast was the tribute to it all.

The PS2 is on the opposite spectrum, a tribute to story in games. Both consoles are in opposite correlation to one another. It depends on whether you value gameplay or story.

Maybe the dreamcast should have done better, then.

It did do better. The consumer just didn't do better. The consumer wanted movies and story, so they were enraptured by the PS2.

>299 dvd player that plays games
>or a console with good games at the time
Sony won either way. It was just attrition at this point.

What the fuck is the argument for the DC being better

If you aren't making what people want, it's not the people's fault you aren't a success.

>not posting best sports game

to be fair, good old SEGA had lost the respect of the customers with the Saturn and people feared that the Dreamcast would be abandoned. It became a self-fulfilling prophecy fueled by the rise of modern gaming, along the fact that except for the genesis in the US SEGA was always the underdog in popularity in eu and jap, so now they were being replaced by Nintendo in this second place.
finally the DVD player was the nail in the coffin

The average consumer doesn't really know what they want.

You sound like a failed musician.

People like to bash the ps2 becouse they take it's great library for granted. So they tend to exaggerate what other systems had in terms of quality. Dreamcast didn't have stylish action games like DMC nor did it have any notable and continuous stream of 3d fighters like the PS2 had. Shenmue is supposedly the big movie game of the DC but MGS2 beats it in both plot, cinematic execution and gameplay.
I love the DC but trying to put it's library over the PS2 is laughable fanboyism.

You have to be retarded or fedora man if you agree. Actually one means both.

MGS2 wasn't even exclusive

Yeah but MGS2 is on the xbox so obviously the Dreamcast is better than the PS2

devil may cry is overrated.

>but trying to put it's library over the PS2 is laughable fanboyism.

Oh the irony.

Have you guys even played the broken mess that the xbox version of mgs2 is? The framerate is shit, lack of pressure sensitive input, cut back blur and particle effects. It's as trash as the dynasty warriors 3 port. Well at least it worked unlike the broken pc version.

ma nigga. never understood why Cred Forums had such hard on for DMC. the only real good one is DMC3 tbqh

>Have you guys even played the broken mess that the xbox version of mgs2 is?
No but I think you missed my point

Obviously you were not born when it was released. The game redefined the action genre.

>hurr durr your just underage

fuck off

>Shenmue is supposedly the big movie game of the DC but MGS2 beats it in both plot, cinematic execution and gameplay.
Shenmue isn't a movie, it's a life simulator, you tard. It's more game than metal gear. Metal gear isn't even good. It's story is tonally inconsistent anime dribble. youtube.com/watch?v=BUytlAKC9Rg

Your point it was on the xbox over a year after the ps2 version. You by your logic most of dreamcast games aren't even dreamcast games i.e all arcade ports and pc conversions.

When will we finally reach the stage of contrarianism where Xbox is declared the best gen 6 console? It took a while for the GC phase to pass.

>It's story is tonally inconsistent anime dribble
Unlike flying swords, right?

The Sega Saturn and the bickering between the American and Japanese branches of Sega killed Sega's console business

I predict within the next 6 months

That's not Melee

>contrarianism
But it was. Critics believe so as well. Definitive version of ESPN NFL 2K5

It was though

No, I was being sarcastic. How would MGS2 being on the Xbox make the Dreamcast's library better than the PS2s?

God the slim PS2 was GOAT.

for fucks sake, learn english

YAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS

No it has good games

Games that were actually localised, too.

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut reviewers back then reviewed games properly

>Xbox is declared the best gen 6 console

It's been declared by non-plebs for quite some time now.

Steambot Chronicles is one of the most interesting and ambitious games of it's gen. I will not tolerate any bad thing said about it in my presence. If not for that fucking tsunami I would be playing Steambot Chronicles 2 now. Fuck mother nature!

Spoken like a true PS2 fanboy. Favors words and stories over gameplay

Xbox has always been better than PlayStation, sonygger.

It's amazing how a lot of good Japanese games came to xbox but the 360 and bone have more or less the same that ps3 and ps4 have/had.

I mean 360 had a decent shmup lineup but that's only if you like shmups.

That would be Shenmue, faggot.

yeah thats because japanese games on xbox sold like shit

There was like idolmaster for the 360.

20 years later every other console still salty

The reason why is because Microsoft knew the Japanese weren't worth shit. Xbox is home to sports, racing, and shooters, the best genre's. And Xbox has always had the best online. The ps3 never had party chat. 10 FUCKING YEARS AND NO PARTY CHAT

Because japanese sucked at gameplay moving forward. Too much story bullshit.

Xbox has always been a gamer's console brand.

I modded a Qanba Q1 just to play eye kaw gu raw and Super Magnetic Neo after a recommendation. Ended up enjoying Capcom vs SNK Pro with no loading screens in-between matches.

this is why

>DC has that one fighting game I liked

Which one? Dreamcast had a metric fuckton of great fighting games.

Lel Shenmue is just a shitty walking simulator compared to what Steambot offered. Try to top this
>simulates day cycles
>npcs have schedules
>simulates a stock market
>simulates property market
>full mech customization
>band simulator
>music game
>trade simulation
>dating simulator
>customizable clothing
>customizable hair
>dialogue options that change the way the hero interacts and is seen
>house customization
>arena fights
>multiple ending and branching plot(you can be a criminal)
and more
Steambot>Shenmue
If Irem got the same budget that AM2 had they would have made the greatest game of all time.

the only important factor of game console is amount and quality of game it supports

ps2>dreamcast by a LOT

All great games. What's your fucking point?

ESPN NFL 2K5 is one of the greatest football games before EA took over.

Get this ancient meme out of my face.

read the person i replied to dumbass

This whole thread is really everything wrong with Cred Forums

no. not really.
only if you are a pirate.
besides that dreamcast has a handful of good games then a whole bunch of meh.

PS2 had so many games on it that sheer number produced more good games than dreamcast could. the DVD player feature was more desirable than online feature. not many people had internet back than and it was pay per min so even less people wanted to use it. on top of that the new idea of built in backwards compatibility was amazing and allowed for people who had a ps1 to not lose anything but upgrading.

Tommy always had shitty opinions though, he always fussed about the sound too much in most games because he was a musician

Ironic considering Shenmue was a Dreamcast exclusive, the progenitor of the movie game

Your post is clearly implying PS2 didn't have online even though it did.

>PS2 had so many games on it that sheer number produced more good games than dreamcast could.
>a console that was out for 12 years had more good games than a console that was out for 2 years

whoa...really makes you think huh

So the fact sony didn't drop support even after the ps3 is bad now?

It was a multi-faceted issue. basically,
>Third party devs felt the Saturn and add-ons for Genesis were a waste of money and didn't support the Dreamcast as strongly
>Some pulled support entirely, like EA, because Sega had a cheaper vietnamese chip made for the sound hardware
>Dremcast made more money than Star Wars Episode 1 did upon release
>However the PS2 had multi-media capability including a DVD player and it was the cheapest DVD player available.
>Sony had earned a great reputation with 3rd parties at the exact same time Sega had pissed theirs away; Madden launching for PS2 was a major coup.
>Dreamcast sales began to slow 6 months after release. Despite the money they'd made, Sega was still losing cash, and Sega Japan blamed Sega America, since Sega America had convinced Sega Japan to push the Dreamcast worldwide.
>The head of Sega America resigned, the dreamcast was kill.

>progenitor of the movie game
>what is MGS1

Within their lifespans when competing directly the PS2 was just superior.

Not something crammed with QTEs.

Give me 5 must play dreamcast games

No fighting games please. I have no friends.

>Starting 20 year old console wars.

If you're gonna be a faggot at least be current.

this is why we need /v2k/.

>missing the point this hard

Why should I?

i disagree completely

Better than having a high cutscene to gameplay ratio.

Because its a nice thing to do

Disagree

Nah fuck you buddy.

Most of those games are shit or were easily available on PC.

It's how Sony fans work.

This.

Xbox is only good because it happened to be a dreamcast 2 in disguise.

Shenmue
Crazy Taxi
Jet Grind Radio
Skies of Arcadia
Space Channel 5

...

Dude Dreamcast had third strike too... Oh wait

...

>recommending seamen/vf3tb/maken x
why not just tell him to kill himself?

I don't get what people see in Jet Set Radio aside from the fantastic OST and artstyle. (Futures OST was better though.) The controls completely break the game for me. They're fucking terrible. Stiff, slow and unresponsive. The mission design as extremely simple and repetetive and getting knocked back when you get hit every single time is annyoing as all hell.

Nah but I'll tell you to kill yourself

No thanks, I already tried when I fell for the seamen meme. To think I almost picked up Hey you pikashit too.

>Grandia 2
Pretty sure I played it in the PS2

Can you play Tetris or Pool online on PS2?

Could you look up porn online on the PS2?

Does the PS2 still get games made for it today?

>Pretty sure I played it in the PS2
With inferior graphics and sound quality just like DoA 2

PS2 was Sony's worst console.

Dreamcast>Xbox>Gamecube>PS2

You mean the rushed port of DOA which cookieman personally apologized for?

>It's the Inferior graphics and sound meme again
Woah, what a surprise!

>sonygger gets rekt by facts
>"i-i-it's just a meem!"

>he has to compare the rushed port to the DC version to feel superior.

>PS2 was Sony's worst console.
>ps4 exists
>ps3 during its gen
>vita without monhun to save it like psp
nigger

Dreamcast for the memories and PS2 for the huge library. DC died too soon but I played the shit out of it with friends. Played PSO and other games with friends that moved too. Even my N64/PS1 buddies would get down on Power Stone, etc.

I won't say DC was GOAT since it had little time to truly develop. What we got was a very impressive little system (for the time) that died before its true potential could be realized.

Web browser was awesome just for the fact that you could download images to spray in JSR. I remember using it to directly download a MvC2 save when my bro erased mine.

I don't like modern Capcom but if they were smart they'd port Rival Schools, Project Justice and Power Stone 1+2.

>rushed
>not because of PS2's shit tier hardware

Itagaki literally became suicidally depressed after he learned his boss sent the unfinished alpha version of DOA2 to print.

It sure isn't, you got that right.

PS4 has Witcher 3, Uncharted 4, and Bloodborne along with pretty much every noteworthy indie game and is the most powerful console in its gen thus far at least.

PS2 was the weakest of its gen and all of its games were multiplats available on xbox and pc

>listing weeb shit and games noone other than turbovirgins care about

>all of its games were multiplats available on xbox and pc
Just like DC then.

PS3 is one of the most competent bluray players, has free online, and some of the most noteworthy games of all time from dark souls to demons souls to uncharted to last of us to mass effect to littlebigplanet to dragon age origins and more.

And Vita is the most powerful handheld in existence with an OLED screen.

>post two game systems
>one that launched in 1999 and died in 2001
>expecting discussion from a board that's probably composed of mostly 18-21 y/o anons that only had the ps2 in grade school

The only people I knew that went out of their way to get a DC after it died were collectors and pirates.

Dreamcast was the definitive versions of all those games though with VMU and superior graphics + sound. Don't forget all the countless glitches with the Gamecube ports of Sonic Adventure 1 and 2

Huge disagree.

PS1 library alone is greater than Dreamcast. We don't even have to get to actual PS2 games on the PS2.

>b-b-but dreamcast had the DEFINITIVE versions
them shitty moving goalposts

Either the Dreamcast was so ungodly crap all on its own that it nearly destroyed Sega or the PS2 kicked the living shit out of it.
Pick 1

Why does Cred Forums keep pretending that Dreamcast was this amazing console? Nostalgia?

If it wasn't for Capcom's arcade ports, it's library would be a total joke. The Jet Set series is the sole 1st party titles worth a damn.

Are we seriously pretending any of you are pining for a Crazy Taxi sequel? That Shenmue wasn't just a novel experiment at best? Does anyone here even play sports games enough to cry for 2k? Shit, almost everyone at this point has accepted that the Sonic Adventure games were crap. Why can't you accept the DC wasn't very good?

If you're not playing a lot of those ported games without the dreamcast controller, then you're not really playing them.

You play the role of Zelda.

See
Dreamcast had a great launch but Sega's fuckery screwed them. I won't deny ps2 had a hand.

The vmu is a useless gimmick as bad as the pocketstation. Anything on it could have been put on screen as well.

>Anything on it could have been put on screen as well.
Well it wasn't. Also, you can't take your chao with you any other way.

>b-b-but muh controller gimmicks made these games BETTER
and further they move

>chao
get out

This place is full of faggots, near underage faggots, misinformed faggots and it's a shell of its former self (even that was awful). The sooner you realize this and leave the better. Or you can stay and suffer like the rest of us.