There will never be a truly great 40k game that does the setting justice

>There will never be a truly great 40k game that does the setting justice

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Deathwing comes out in November, there's hope user

I've recently started playing DoW 2 Elite and I don't get the hate. I prefer it over DoW I.

Also, while the community is very small at this point, it is the friendliest and nicest online community I've encountered in a game.

I've read somewhere that when a human dies, his soul enters the warp but has no consciousness. However, when an Eldar dies, his soul is conscious and literally gets tortured forever by Slaanesh. Isn't that beyond retarded? I mean, basically that means that no matter what you do, being born as Eldar = suffering forever. Why haven't they sunken into depression and alcoholism yet bearing that knowledge?

But user there are plenty of shit 40k games.

Because they have Soulstones, which are used to store your soul in a shared-consciousness type of thing.

Eldar souls are usually / hopefully captured in soulstones so they don't get to go to Slanny's Funhaus.

>Deathwing
>does setting justice
It's a spacehulk game. Spacehulks are some of the most limited and blandest parts of the setting.
It's literally just a washed up mass of spaceships populated by bugs and sometimes there are orks or chaos involved. It's boring as shit and it's already well covered in other games.

They brought this on themselves. I feel no pity.

But they have to be stored somewhere and can be destroyed, which means that eventually you will face eternal torment either way since you are in there forever, and even if the chance that the soulstone is destroyed is close to zero, in the face of eternity it becomes close to 100%.
Being an Eldar's gotta suck.

Then again, I can't really think of any race that doesn't have a shit life. Tau, maybe.

eldar put them into some shit and the spirits then get to live in the webway

There will never be a Final Liberation 2 or Chaos Gate 2.

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>You will never develop an inquisitor cRPG where you have to root out chaos cultists and genestealers whilst treading the thin line between righetousness and corruption
feels bad man

They kinda brought this on themselves. I mean, they partied so hard they birthed a Chaos god and ripped the galaxy a new asshole.

>There will never be a rogue trader game where you explore regions of space untouched by man, filled with ancients ruins and exotic alien civilizations

It hurts

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Man, DoW had some top tier voice acting/soundtrack. I normally hate chaos, but damn:

youtube.com/watch?v=MWkZuUlBhW8

youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhGK4IFOg

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Fuck off back to /tg/.

Jesus fucking Christ. Cred Forums ruined /tg/ enough as it is, now you're bringing /tg/ shit into fucking Cred Forums. Fuck off. Stop with your meta fucking posts. Go to /tg/ to talk about 40kid shit.

The fact you chuckle fucking autists can't even PRETEND to talk about 40k video games, despite 2 coming out in the neat future, just baffles me. You can't even make one where you shitpost about Eternal Crusade suddenly being the only fucking game in existence with claims bigger than the fucking budget.

All you guys will do now is wank over specific faction shit and talk about how EPIC HERESY XDD FOR DA EMPHURAH XD bollocks whilst reciting memes you've read other tertiary fans mention, or from 1d4chan articles you've read, or the Lexicanicum articles you've skimmed over.

true dat

kys

>Being an Eldar's gotta suck.

Yep. The Craftworlders deal with it (poorly, hence the declining numbers) by being enormously protective of their soulstones and Craftworld's Infinity Circuits, with some of them like Eldrad hoping that all these souls can one day be forged into an Anti-Slaanesh God-weapon of Death named Ynnead. GW recently had old Eldrad fuck that all up in order to buff their new Deathwatch box set, so who knows what's happening there.

Exodites have something similar, but instead of Infinity Circuits they use the planet's they live on as a method of storing their souls, creating a World Spirit.

The Dark Eldar don't have Soulstones, so they deal with the constant existential dread by partying exactly like the Pre-Fall Eldar and almost completely banning Psykers from their realms. They deal with their leaky bucket souls by topping up their souls with the souls and delicious suffering of others.

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By "top up" you mean just killing/partying until you die or actually "using the power of other souls to prolong your life" or something like that?

>haha im more of a fan than u are get off my board normies reee xd
Have you considered not being a cunt?

Battlefleet Gothic does.

>actually "using the power of other souls to prolong your life" or something like that?
Something like that. Dark Eldar are constantly getting nommed by Slaanesh, which is why they torture the everloving shit out of captives so Slaanesh feeds on the suffering of those poor bastards instead of the Dark Eldar's souls.

Hard knock life. What did the eldar do again to deserve this? Weren't they once the most advanced and dominating power in the universe but then went ultra hedonistic?

Is there any way Eldar can achieve peace? I don't mean via soulstones. Let's say an Eldar lost his soulstone or something, or a craftworld and all the soulstones gets destroyed. Will all the souls simply get tormented by slaanesh and that's that? Is there really no alternative? There's gotta be some form of reincarnation, a heaven or some means of becoming unconscious of what happens to your soul, like humans.

WHY IZ DERE NO ORK CIV WAAAAAAGGGGH!!!! GAME?

BEING YOUR OWN WAR BOSS AND TELLING DA MEK BOYZ TO BUILD BETTER MACHINEZ WOULD BE GREAT

Eldar feelings are EXTREMELY strong compared to humans. Like we're literal monkeys compared to them. Same for pleasure, bloodlust etc. They went super hedonistic and the combined pleasure and feelings reached a super critical mass and tore the warp a new one from which emerged Slaanesh, much like Khorne was created out of massacres and Nurgle from the Black Plagues.

>"using the power of other souls to prolong your life
That. They can also regenerate their entire bodies from something as small as a fingertip by absorbing enough suffering, provided their remains are delivered to a willing Haemonculus in time. Some Dark Eldar have done this so often that they've made it a hobby to find new and interesting ways to get horribly killed.

The latter. Think of an Eldar soul as a leaky bucket. A Craftworlder uses their soulstone to catch what escapes, the Dark Eldar refill their own with the contents of other people's buckets. Turns out the soul-regenerating process is much more effective if the victim undergoes a lot of high emotion during it. That could be something good, but its a lot more efficient (and fun, from the DE's perspective) to torture the everloving shit out them.

Stealing other's souls also reverses ageing, so even truly ancient DE lords can be as strong and youthful looking as a youth. They need more and more souls to get the same effect as they get older, however, so the really old Dark Eldar have to constantly go out on slave raids just to stop themselves from crumbling to dust and getting nommed by Slaanesh.

Nope, She Who Thirsts will eat them all, there is no way around it apart from soulstones.

Craftworlders store their souls in the Infinity Circuits of their craftworld, and once the last Eldar soul enters the Infinity Circuit, the last Eldar god Ynnead will be formed and fight Chaos

The Eldar know they're all going to die eventually but they're greedy cunts clinging to life

A RT game set in the Kronus Expanse would be a licensing nightmare unfortunately.

Then again since FFG are dropping their GW stuff next year that might free things up and they probably wouldn't care too much.

does "eat them all" just mean a violent death, like when I got eaten by a wild animal, or does it mean eternal hellfire like in christianity?

Eternal torture by a chaos god who's the absolute expert in torture.

Settle down chopper. You are madder than Khorne.

>bugs
more like spinddly dinosaurs

This. BFG nailed the setting perfectly.

>eternal hellfire like in christianity
No, user. It's an eternity of exciting new experiences and sensations every day.

that's pretty shitty lore design imho.

>FFG are dropping their GW stuff
wait what? dropping copyrights on in-universe stuff for GW to take, or selling their RPG systems?

(You)

Well Eldar souls remain conscious after death so it acts as a good motive for them to be extra careful with their souls.

According to their myth cycles they used to reincarnate in their pre-history, but the process was tainted by the Kaelis Ra, The Destroyer of Light, the being now known as the C'tan Nightbringer.

Its a bit difficult to go into more detail here, partly because a lot of its written as ancient mythology and partly because its been retconned and poorly-written about for years with changes to Necron Lore. I did have the scans for the Elder version of the story somewhere, I'll try and find them.

FFG and GW no longer have a working relationship as GW has taken back the licence to do RPGs, Board games and any other tabletop stuff they had. FFG can no longer develop or even legally sell anything related to Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000, which is why cannot even buy the PDFs of Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Only War and Black Crusade any more

As of Feb 28th next year they are no longer selling any of the GW product lines they have. There is no real word on what this means for the IP they developed for the games yet.

Basically they have just reached a point where the stuff isn't really as profitable as other lines they have, like X-Wing.

The licensing deal they had with GW would have had an expiration date on it I assume, so this is probably just them taking the opportunity to opt out of future investment. Which is somewhat fair since they have kind of reached the end of expansions on the games given the license they had.

1d4chan.org/wiki/Slaanesh
Educate yourself, my man.

It's good. Cred Forums is just full of shitters who cant handle multiplayer.
The outcry against removing basebuilding was literally because it stops the
>build up base then swamp the normal level ai at max tech strat.

I would go Chaos for only one god.

I want to hear other anons' choices for going heretical

How fucking cool does a Tzeentch Chaos Sorcerer look?

How the FUCK do you pronounce Tzeench?

What if you're a masochistic Eldar who's into femdom?
Would it be bad dying and meeting Slaanesh?

Chin-tech

At least, that is how I do it.

More or less that accepted pronunciation is zeen-ch. Though others say zen-ch.

Arguably the ambiguity of it and constant mispronunciation pleases Tzeentch. So don't worry about it too much.

Those golden plates on the front of their helmets. Are they honour guards?

Official chaos god ranking
#1 Khorne: Lets you do what you like to do the most as much as you want and you will never get sick of it. Will definitely reward you for dilligently spilling blood and harvesting skulls as long as you don't fuck up.
#2 Slaanesh: Lets you do what you like to do the most as much as you want and then do it some more, but you will get sick of it eventually. May give you nice rewards, but may also lash out at you for no reason. Pretty much a fickle bitch.
#3 Tzeench: Also let's you do what you like to do the most, but even if you are playing for his team, he will never let you win. At least not permanently. You will get awesome magic powers, though and a few additional limbs and eyes if you aren't careful.
#4 Nurgle: Really nice guy, who really loves all his worshippers, but his hugs give you chaos aids, which makes you living corpse tier ugly and hurts so bad that you will eventually become numb to your own pain.

There's torture and torture. I believe Slaanesh is more of the "fill your bones with molten lead" kind.

It's not just Slaanesh that hatefucks you. All her followers hatefuck you.
Forever.

>Eternal Crusade went straight from closed alpha to release

Fuck me. I guess they ran out of money. It was actually starting to look like a decent game. It just needed 6 to 12 months of development.

Slaanesh is far beyond femdom or even sex.
You'll soul will be tortured unimaginably forever, so yea it's bad.

The game was doomed from the start back when it was still Dark Millennium when they decided on it being a MMO.

Oh come on, how could you put Papa Nurgle at the bottom? He's nothing but a big ball of love in this hell of a universe.

All I want is an Adepta Sororitas game. Is that asking too much? It doesn't even have to be particularly good.

What the fuck happened to all this.
youtu.be/hHu4Na0lsd0

I mean yeah. Pretty shortly after they announced it, it looked like absolute failure. In the end it was getting somewhere, not the original vision but like Space Marine multiplayer 2.0.

Again, it depends on the source, but its not necessarily eternal hellfire or being devoured. Warp entities are both separate intelligences and part of the warp itself coloured by the primal emotions of sapient creatures, and the things a conscious mind "sees" when it gazes into the warp are as much inspired by its own cultural contexts and expectations as anything else. Slaanesh is Excess in its purest form, and all its demons, and poetic-idea-spaces enforced upon the warp, and a malign intelligence and, if you believe in certain forms of Chaos Undivided, just an aspect of a wholly malevolent alternate dimension. All at the same time.

A normal person dies, their soul breaks apart in the warp into its constituent parts that were formed from strong emotions. These soul bits are "food" for warp entities which associate with those emotions, but that's often more like a metaphor - anger becomes part of a larger anger complex which is in turn part of a much larger coalescence of emotions and ideas which has gained enough "mass" to gain sapience on its own and begin to effect the "real world" in order to increase the emotions which strengthen it. That's a Chaos God.

Psykers don't break apart on death, which means they bring with them their awareness into the warp and remain complex idea-emotion packages of "food" for the entities, which they perceive through their own cultural lens and the ideas imprinted upon them by the collective unconscious of the living. Which usually means they see them as demons eating them in order to break down and digest them into their delicious soul bits.

Active worship is where things go a little tricky. Worship forms complex ideas and emotions into discrete Warp Entities which can bound and be bound to living souls. Essentially, you make your soul particularly aligned to the thing you worship so that eventually more of "you" becomes more of "it". Its both God-and-heaven, with all souls as part of the gestalt.

I think it's safe to say that if you can't even get an army book or plastic models even, you have no chance of getting a game.

How's the Ork campaign in BFG? I'm thinking of getting it just for some Orky action.

THQ died.

I'd have preferred a game similar to Planetside 2 compared to the clunky pile of shit Battlefield clone we got atm

#1 Tzeench: You get knowledge. Somtimes false knowledge but who cares when you have bitching space powers
#2 Papa Nurgle: Sure, you may have space aids and ebola but now you can't die from them and pain is not felt. Also, the fact Papa makes some nice stew in his pot
#3: Khorne: Let's you do what you want but you ARE ALWAYS FUCKING ANGRY
#4 Slaanesh: You get pleasure, but then it stops becoming pleasurable so you seek more extreme pleasures until... well, pain becomes your pleasure.

>Ork Campaign
user......

Reality happened. Sadly one of the guys who headed up the FFG Deathwatch RPG line left FFG to go work on that. I don't fault him for following his dreams, but he deserved better.

Until lately there was rarely enough crossover of being a 40K fanboy enough to do the setting justice, and having enough competent financial and technical backing to deliver a decent product.

There was also the issue of GW holding the license for the IP, and they are pretty draconian about what you can do with it. You could have the best ideas in the world and they can just turn around and say no without you being able to do anything about it.

The dawn of war series.

but you ARE ALWAYS FUCKING ANGRY

but thats objectively false
Khorne has followers in WH40k and WH:FB (Fuck AoS) that worship Khorne and aren't berserkers

Sure Norsca (mostly) and World Eaters are all fucking insane, but soldiers and warriors who strive for conquest and martial prowess can be Khorne worshippers too without becoming raging maniacs.

No ork campaign in the game but they're based as fuck to play

>Trusting Imperial fanfic
>it wasnt just Grizgutz's WAAAGH! seeing another similar one where they left the Warp and just raped them for more dakka

That's a great way of putting it. Hell, it even makes a good summary of abstract death aka return to constituents, religious death aka passage of whole consciousness vs worship aka passage of a part of consciousness.

>Games Workshop keeps hemorrhaging money
>Age of Smegmar just made people even more pissed off at GW
>relatively new wargames like Warmachine are getting more popular than the old and busted Warham
>GW and the Warhammer IP will both die in your lifetime

Are there some video games where the good guys win?

What was Tzeentch created from? Endless neets being idea guys all the time while never acutally going through with anything?

If you follow the path of Khorne, you are always fighting against becoming a berzerker. It is the inevitable end of the path unless you have some colossal willpower.

>>Games Workshop keeps hemorrhaging money
They are making a killing on all those videogame licenses they are shitting out.

More like people with drive scheming and planning things, gathering knowledge etc.

He was birthed from the only constant in the universe, change.

Hence his mantra of;
Change is inevitable, all you can do is ensure it happens in your favor.

Go read their income and financial statements

It is definitely a decent source of income that they are only recently acknowledging. But they are also getting their shit back together as of late when it comes to new products and marketing strategies.

We are pretty sure AoS is hurting them bad though. That was a huge fuck up no matter how you look at it.

>>GW and the Warhammer IP will both die in your lifetime
At most, in the most fantastically insane situation imaginable they will drop Warhammer Fantasy/Sigmar completely

40k is their primary money maker, and it's growing as a game.

You are hit by a car tomorrow and reicarnated in the wh40k universe. What race would you choose?

>hard mode: no "nameless imperial citizen on some cozy unimportant world". Gotta be a soldier or similiar.

Tzeentch was here the whole time
what a twist

Battlefleet gothic was great.

Ork for sure

They reincarnate every time and they have no fear of death or pain or anything.

I want that kind of retarded freedom.

They already dropped WHFB. The IP is quite literally dead. It died to birth AoS.

If we are lucky they may bring it back as a Specialist game, or Warhammer Classic or something down the line.

Dawn of War DC

It was objectively worse than Soulstorm but everything else about it was top notch

Necron Overlord with two bladed scepters and a bunch of combat oriented arifacts so i can win against basically anything
i'm also basically immortal and i have a planet worth of troops
feels good

Definitely an Ork boy. They feel no pain, reincarnate infinitely for WAAAAAGH and WAAAAAGH is the most fun activity they can possible experience.

No.

Autists, degenerates and deviant-arters have their own isolated shitshack that occasionally leaks to the mainstream in the form of YSs and Undertales.

The mainstream industry locks the average dev into their rape dungeon where they are forced to give shape to the idea of overpaid publishers with no idea about what makes a good videogame.

Leftists and feminists either cling with their teeth to the mainstream industry until they get some scraps, or make their own, two-pence digital delusion experiences.

Frauds will create a kickstarter campaign and get No Man's Skys and Mighty no.9s funded.

Guys who genuinely want innovation will drain their veins for never-heard-of dev houses who are all about good will but have no idea what makes a fun and durable videogame.
See Arma and Star Citizen.

The customer will spend excessive money for either of those and get disappointment instead.

Tau firewarrior i guess, they probably have the best lives out of anyone.

Necron Overlord, i then spend the rest of eternity fucking with people.

One of the few fictional settings that can genuinely be considered overall unique.

Destiny tried to borrow a healthy dose from 40k.

Orks have an objectively perfect society. Balanced economy of teeth, no corruption due to constant fights for power, and everyone has a purpose as long as you have a halfway decent Warboss.

Please elaborate user

>Orks
>reincarnation
wat

When Orks die, they get eaten by Gork (or maybe Mork) and get spat out to fight again.

Short of a massive embezzling scam getting exposed, GW is far more likely to keep coasting on for at least another decade on sheer inertia. They're certainly dying, but its going to be a long, slow death as the constant cuts to stores, alienation of their ordinary staff and growing competition from other producers for games in the same niche. They're not going to implode like Rackham (may they rest in peace), they're just going to fade away.

What is funny about that is the setting is literally just a mash up of old sci-fi tropes and settings. But yes once viewed as a whole it is arguably pretty unique.

Is that really true or do they just believe that?

>Fire Warrior exists for Tau weebs
>No good Eldar games

The new guy in charge actually seems to know what he is doing, and has slowly been turning things around. Their death is not the inevitability it once was.

What GW need to do though is expand their IP range. If they could get the rights to do the models for Battletech for example they could get another decent income stream.

As well if they could just bury the hatchet with other model producers that don't have stores, they could be a real proper powerhouse for tabletops and RPGs.

For the moment though I can settle with them bringing back the old Specialist games like Blood Bowl.

Scheming, plotting, backstabbing, sorcery, knowledge, curiosity, Tzeentch is strengthened in many ways.

You did get Rites of War at least, back in the day

Am I the only one who loves Dark Angels? For me it's the medieval feel and monk robes. I also have a huge boner for chapters with different color schemes for certain specialist, like Blood Angels have the Death Company.

Why did Rackham blow up, anyways? They were the AT-43 guys, right?

>good

You want a shitty eldar fps?
Just play the Dark Crusade campaign with eldar.

>Release dark crusade
>it's 10$ more expensive than it was a few days ago.
kikes...

Heretics. All of them.

A bunch of literal homosexuals.

pls no bully

our quest to conquer this plane-th begins 2dei
soi soi motherfucker
necron science is z best in z werldt

One of these dudes.

So hopefully my end is quick.

Yes, being an Eldar sucks. But that's what you get for fucking an incomprehensible abomination into existence. Most of them deserve it, it's a shame the rest of the universe has to suffer for their transgressions as well because Slaanesh doesn't really make a distinction when it comes to fucking things up.

It's true, Gork and Mork are the reason why Chaos can't corrupt them.

They were, yes. People say that the plastic pre-paints are what killed them, but that's actually not true. AT-43 in particular was one of their more successful games, and the plastic confrontation set was more a last ditch Hail Mary to try and save themselves.

The short version is that they had always had financial problems, made a series of poor decisions in pursuit of profit, and later, when they moved the production to China, the Chinese dicked them over hard on payment. They could have survived that had it not happened just before the great financial crash.

Its a huge shame too, apart from some issues with the English translation AT-43 is actually a really good game with an interesting backstory for a wargame, and the miniatures for all their lines were phenomenal.

i wanna
GET MAD

Not really a race but inquisitor or rogue trader.

>The men behind the skull masks are already dead.

Is that even a question?

Is that really their mouth or painted on?

Also, do the plague marines or chaos marines in general feel the pain and agony of their mutations and diseases and their bodies slowly forming one mass with their infested armor while maggots crawl through them? or do they not feel it or even enjoy it?

Is that a thunder warrior statue in the middle of the row of statues?

What is the bestest weapon in 40k and why is it the Power Klaw?

plague marines do not
chaos marines probably do but see it as a blessing from the gods to they just tank it - "I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME, IT IS A GOOD PAIN"

Being an inqusitor is pretty shit though. Rogue trader is better. If you want to be an inquisitor and do good get ready for a world of pain because every fucking cunt in ordos thinks they know how to run this shit better. And if you do nothing at all, you'd probably get removed or demoted. And if you go balls to the wall insane and start executing people for the slightest transgression, doing that enough times, you will eventually kill the wrong man and then Officio Assassinorum will take care of you permanently. Or you'll just get branded a radical or framed for something and disposed of by your own fellow inquisitors.

How does this """""""""realistically""""""""" tear through tanks and other heavy armor?

>read Dead Men Walking
>Death Korps soldiers don't even have a name, just a number

Sounds like a good life.

I mean yeah, inquisitors go through some shit but there's still a lot of peaceful time and then you are one of the most respected motherfuckers in the universe.

Yes

I'd probably wake my tomb world close to Cadia so i could use it as an excuse to indirectly lay waste to the planet, destroy Abbys blackstone shit and get muh pylons back
since warp shit is disgustibg i'd probably help the imperials so the eye of terror doesn't consume my tomb world

The "power" part of it is what does the tearing. In general it doesn't really matter what does the power weapon look like, which is why so many power weapons look retarded or overly intricate/ceremonial and the orks just like their claws. Power weapons function by simply disrupting molecular bonds of matter they come into contact with, so a power klaw like that would cut through tank or a man or another ork like hot knife through butter.

>generates an energy field around it, that is capable of violently disrupting any solid matter it touches

Force field encompasses the klaws, making it capable of tearing through armor like butter

Same applies to other power weapons

Needs more dakka.

I thought that Big-E wiped the thunder warriors out of existence, in historical sense. Similar to the two unknown primarchs yet not as strictly.

Looks like one to me.

choppy > shooty

>nurgle was created by the black plagues

This is terrible nu-fluff

All the gods existed before humanity, and they slowly coalesced over aeons of war, death and general shenanigans. Slaanesh was the only one who was suddenly shat out of the warp like that.

>that HH novel with rogue thunder warriors
>they are crazy fuckers and probably even stronger than space marines
>they just feel abandoned because emprah doesn't need them anymore

It was kinda sad actually.

I really like the feel of medieval they have like you but I cant really bring myself to like the other aspects of them since they are real traitors and Im a Black Templars player.

Too much details.
Need genre that are easy to made like GSG to cover all their lores and settings without being a shit game. Put no more than 10% of budget in graphic and so on

People allso forget Khorne is the god of engineers, so he has all the good Armour and weapons too.

Is Changeling a race?
I would love to visit different planets for Tzeentch, become different races and just fuck around.

No he had them all killed after a final battle on Terra. He told the public they all died to a man in that final engagement though. Thunder Warriors were stronger then Marines with the huge drawback of being emotionally unstable and having short life spans.

isn't this setting just turbo edge autism though? wasn't it originally a parody of hyper violent 90s try hard bullshit at first?

I also hate that they axed the martial honor aspect of Khorne that hailed from Warhammer Fantasy and that Khorne would demand of his followers to fight and kill only worthy foes and attacking weaklings and spilling their blood would earn you his anger. And he would personally send his bloodhounds after those that deserted the battlefield and left their comrades to die. Instead it's just hurr blood murder. Tzeentch also used to represent hope and Nurgle unconditional love.

>They all died.
>Yes, every last one of them.
>Stop asking questions!

How can something that was made in the 80s be a parody of things in the 90s?

Its technically terrible really old fluff that's been brought back. It was mentioned in The Lost and the Damned back in the day, I think, but the setting in general was very different too.

I'm biased though, I'm still stuck in my happy end of 3rd ed / start of 4th default and pick and choose what bits I like.

Pastiche more than parody. Although really, its Nemesis the Warlock fanfiction where the game focusses upon the comic's baddies.

>thinly-veiled metaphor for homosexuality

You sir are a git, and not my boy. Every lad knows that shooty is better than choppy.

Eh, there's a lot of edge but mostly the appeal is that everything is just so over the top and there's so many factions and decades of lore. It's not something you take seriously although some autists definitely do. It's just mindless dumb fun.

40k was created before 90s edgefests. Yet it hasn't always been the same, evolving as the years progress. There is a big difference between 1st and 3rd editions for example.

It makes no sense if you say

>Eldar have stronk emotions
>Took entire eldar race gangbang to create slaanesh
>Deleted Eldar core worlds with the birth of the god

Humans created 0 chaos gods, thus spake my autism/

> ywn fuck so hard you create literal gods

The martial pride aspect of Khorne actually never really existed. I used to think it was a thing as well until someone else pointed it out and I checked my old Lost and the Damned sourcebook. Even back then he was all BURN MAIM KILL BURN MAIM.

The idea came from his Chaos opposite being Slaanesh, and that idea was the one that made most sense as to why they were diametrically opposed as Slaanesh was the debasement of self.

Humans are still relatively new to the setting, and didn't really have any sort of unique feelings with which to birth a new god.

Unless we count the old Inquisitor novel trilogy in which case the god we birth was trapped and killed like a bitch.

Cegorach would like a word with you.

You faggots keep forgetting this, but 40K fanbase really dropped in quaility over the last 4 or 5 years.

Game doesnt looks really good right now other than visuals but these are the people behind Van Helsing 1 and 2 and I liked both of those games(didnt play the 3rd one). I like the idea of having your own customizable place too.

neocoregames.com/warhammer-40k-inquisitor-martyr/

>This is terrible nu-fluff

It doesn't even sound like it's canon. Traitor's Hate has some CSM going after a box that has a thousand badass demons imprisoned in it, and it says it was created before there was even single celled life on Earth.

So unless these daemons are some sort of neutral, unaligned ones (and I don't see how that would work), then three of the Chaos Gods are incredibly old.

Spoken like someone who lacks the cunning brutality necessary to properly use a choppa.

Forgot to add that I really dont like the idea of Nurgle followers being the main enemies in the game.

Space Marine got the feeling of being a space marine damn good.

Dawn of War 2 was good with regard to making the inter unit power level feel in line with 40k.

Battlefleet Gothic Armada was near perfect with regards to capturing the feel of 40k space battles.

I've yet to play any game that does the epic level battles justice, and yet to play a good rpg set in the 40k universe. Games of those styles exist, but none of them are good.

>Not being brutally cunning

But I just had a thought. What is we had the pain boy stitch us up side to side?

>Macha is 7 foot 2

So that's a thing.

probably because the setting is too large and no one competent wants to tackle the clusterfuck that it is, they'd rather just make games inspired by 40ks universe than be beholden to all the batshity insanity with its own game

> playing Space Marine
> tfw you're running
> THUD THUD THUD THUD

SM got the feeling of "a hulking mass of tons running at you" just right

>almost completely banning Psykers from their realms
every single eldar during the fall was psychic. they have just suppressed their powers over the millenia to weed out them all

Eldar are supposed to be tall.

>Dev said there would be no cover because COVER IS FOR PUSSIES.

are you implying DC was bad?

The animation and sound design in that game was so close to perfect.

>bikes
>copters
>MOTHERFUCKING TITANS
Why were we stuck with EC...

This is partially true. It is hard to do anything fun with the setting when GW holds ultimate say in what you can and can't do. Which you pay for the privilege of.

The opening was GOAT and fucking hell it got me so hyped

>Is that really true or do they just believe that?
>Implying those both aren't the same thing when it comes to orks.

But really I don't know where the above is getting that info, sounds like some confusion regarding a single event where some orks fought some khorne daemons and khorne was so pleased he resurrected them each day to fight against the daemons for eternity.

I know, but I figured it was more like a few inches.

She has a little over a foot on me. I unironically like her new look.

No. I was implying that if you want a quality game with eldar that's where one should look.

>cover is for pussies

#notallspacemarines

I'd give my dick for a good trilogy of the Horus Heresy

>you'll never be sexually bullied by amazon-sized space elf women

>Tau Fire Warrior
>Good life

Fire Warriors have an existent only slightly less bleak than spess mehrens/IG. At least IG get to bang something whenever they're planetside.

The only way to do that would be to make literally the biggest persistent online game ever made.

And there is 0 way that will ever happen.

I'm with this guy.
It will be over quickly. Then I can be the mortar to an improvised wall.

BUT WAT IF YOU FIND A BIGGER AND BADDER ORK, BOSS? WAT IF HE STOMPS YOU GOOD

big bad warboss of da orkz

Plague marines don't feel pain if that's what you're asking. But most Chaos aren't plague marines. Plague marines are the only ones that suffer from disease and infection.

Most Chaos marines just receive 'normal' mutations like claws, fangs, scales, wings and stuff. Space marines are naturally resistant to pain so it doesn't bother them. It only becomes a problem when they get too many mutations and turn into Chaos Spawn which are just insane blobs of flesh and teeth.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Tzeentch and Nurgle do still represent those things. The Chaos Gods all have positive aspects to them because otherwise no one would be tempted to follow them. Nurgle for instance does genuinely love his worshippers, but it's an abusive love that he traps them into with diseases and pain.

There are "changeling" races of xenos capable of shifting into different forms. In the context of Tzeencth though the Changeling is a powerful and unique daemon that Tzeencth uses to fuck around with people.

>BUT WAT IF YOU FIND A BIGGER AND BADDER ORK, BOSS?

IZ DA BIGGEST AND BADDEST WARBOSS YA GIT. IF ANUDDA ORK SAYS SOMEFING BOUT DAT IZ GONNA KRUMP EM

Followers of Nurgle don't feel pain. That's the whole appeal of following him, he takes away your pain but bestows horrible deseases and disfigurements upon you.

>I also hate that they axed the martial honor aspect of Khorne that hailed from Warhammer Fantasy

This was literally only ever even alluded to once in fantasy and was immediately contradicted in the same paragraph. Khorne has never given a shit about honor. Plenty of his followers can and do care about it but Khorne himself does not.

Zeeeeeeench. But more evil sounding

Nurgle has never represented unconditional love I can tell you that. He's a sick minded and abusive God who holds a bitterness to all living and healthy things and is perfectly capable of banishing even his followers to an eternity of despair if they fail or offend him.

But what if you kill someone using sorcery?

Is that still blood for the blood god?

It's not new cannon, it's actually old stuff that has been retconned.
And Slaanesh wasn't just shat out, the Chaos Gods existed presumably as long as the Immaterium. The best way to explain it is that they have always been alive and active in a technical sense, but only became self aware after some event really fed them.
The Fall of the Eldar slowly built up Slaanesh until he suddenly became self aware and immediately started devouring all Eldar souls he could get his hands on. This process was so fucked up and boosted him that the Warp resonated with his "birth", resulting in many Eldar Crone Worlds being consumed by the Warp Storms and later form the Eye of Terror. But Slaanesh also existed before this birth. Because time is meaningless in the Warp and there were Slaaneshi cults operating in the pre-Fall Empire.

So Slaanesh is the same as the other 3 Gods, he is just the "youngest".

Eternal Crusade launched yesterday.
I am somewhat surprised that they managed to get a somewhat decent product out, though it still is a bit rough on the edges and could use more content like maps and unit classes.

If you take it for what it is, and not what the initial hype promised, it is actually sorta ok. It is basically battlefield 40k, which is pretty neat by my book.
Hopefully the devs keep developing the game after the launch, and we'll eventually get stuff like Terminators, and Jetbikes.

Gotta say, I expected far worse.

>sick minded

Yeah, its always more "abusive cult leader" or "suffocating parent" kind of love. The kind that loves you just the way you are: miserable, utterly dependant upon them and completely incapable of escape.

The positive aspect of Nurgle is usually considered "acceptance" to contrast with Tzeentch's "hope". "Today was a shit day, I hope tomorrow is better" vs "Today was a shit day, but oh well, so it goes".

No. Khorne cares about personal strengths. Sorcery relies on stealing from the Warp to kill. Aside from that massive amounts of humanity hate and distrust Psykers so naturally that reflects in Khorne to a degree.

Khorne doesn't like magic/psykers because their powers usually don't result in lots of blood.

If you had a psychic power that made people explode in a horrifically gory way he would be cool with it.

In case there's a chance someone hasn't seen this

youtube.com/watch?v=cZc6cr6G2E4

It's fucking trash from a Z-tier developer that has no business having that expensive of a price tag. It really says a lot about the quality of 40K games when people are desperate enough to defend and hold out hope for that garbage.

Have you played it?

dark eldar are edgy fags that float around on gay boats

>inquisitor's an arrogant prick

nah mate gimme my fervent fanatical inquisitors any day

Played it and refunded after I saw the hilarious Ork animations and the PS2-era graphics.

If Eternal Crusade and Dark Millennium didn't go full retard and/or die before they're born, we could have had something grand.

Honestly, I want a 40K guardsmen game where each player controls a unit of guardsmen, rather than the one dude.

>Every squad member can die
>If the one you're controlling dies, you shift to another one
>They all follow you into battle and take cover when you do, charge when you charge
>Number keys allow you to give orders, like lob volleys of grenades, rapid-fire, hit the dirt, ect
>The entire squad's accuracy is based off of your own, up to a cap
>Every unit has different abilities
>Commissars/Demagogues lead 15 barely trained soldiers who have a lower accuracy cap, and can shoot/sacrifice members of their own squad give out buffs to all nearby squads, with the leader always dying last
>Bog-Standard guardsmen squads come with 10 dudes, a special weapon, and decent accuracy
>Veterans come in squads of 7, with two special weapons and a slightly higher accuracy base and cap
>Stormtroopers/Terror Squads come in squads of 5, are heavy armored against lasgun shots, and have hellguns for rapid fire murder, plus one special weapon
>Catachans/Mutants come in bunches of 4, have higher health, much higher melee damage, shotguns, a flamer, and a slew of special grenades
>Heavy Weapon squads are just a pair of guys with a big freaking gun and a lasgun between the two of them
>Armored crews can drive a Chimera, Sentinel, Hellhound, or Devil Dog

>Every map has tons of ruins for cover and rubble to slow down vehicles that stray off the beaten path (except the Sentinel)
>Lots of different objectives; securing and destroying artillery, killing everything, or destroying/protecting shrines
>Squads can be customized in look and feel, with chaos able to dedicate themselves to a god, so they scream out his name after wiping units, or Imperials being gung-ho, pious, jaded, or professional
>Tons of banter between squad members during the pre-combat set-up phase

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Ork animations have been changed since they were first added into the game m8.

Mount and blade napoleonic wars 40k edition

He seemed to do pretty well with Khorne.

I just want Old Battlefront + 40

Battlestar Galactagoth was a lot of fun thougj

>Running at some gretchin and an Ork
>thud Thud THUD THUD!
>Shoulder shreck them
>Two gretchin are liquefied, like they just got hit by a freight train
>The Orks are sent flying backwards three meters
>Press execute as you impact
>Titus immediately grabs him, slams his chainsword into its abs, and sets it to maximum
>Covered in gore as gretchin run screaming

UNF

>install that Ultimate Apocalypse mod for soulstorm
>factions actually play like there lore counterpart
>space marines are expensive but unstoppable juggernauts
>imperial guards keep throwing cannon fodder to the enemy till they run out of ammo
>nids just blob everywhere out of control
>orkz hordes are incredibly tough to deal with
Perfect

there's no justice to be done, the setting is trash and the few interesting things it has ging for it are ignore in favor of yet more interchangable space marines

>Chaos is lacklusting

Is it really that good?
I absolutely loved the first Dawn of War games. But I never messed around mods. Do you need to play MP for fun Apocalypse mod games or is it possible to have some decent games with bots?

what about the necrons?

And it was completely idiotic. One of the core themes of Khorn is that he hates magic to the point you can't have sorcerers in a Khorne army (historically at least, no idea anymore).

I want RPG game where you play as hive world gangster who got himself into some chaos related clusterfuck.

It's fun with bots. The main downside IMO is that the newer units have bad voice acting but it's gloriously over the top 40k absurd power levels.

Slower, MUCH TOUGHER and they get out of hand if they can bide their time long enough. Like their lore counterpart.

You can play with bots but they are retarded.

no u

Thanks. I'll try it out when I have time.

>member Space Hulk boardgame?
>yeah i loved Space Hulk!

I want DoW 1 certain mechanics like cover from DoW upgraded pathfinding, models and a camera that can be zoomed farther away from the ground. Why cant I get this?

Firestorm over Kaurava has better Chaos and Tyranids than UA

>Tyranid builder is hive mind itself instead of unfitting ripper swarm
>Chaos marks are more important than just ''lolz your cultists can give AOE buffs''
>you can have more units in a squad

Orks are better too because in UA they got completly fucking destroyed

Man you are here for far to long.

What about the Fallen?

I think it was meant to be ironic.

NO, YOU IZ DA BADDEST AND THE BIGGEST, BUT I'M THE BIGGEST AND THE BADDEST.

GIT.

40K and its fanbase are trash

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There's been a Lore of Khorne for a while now. But most of the spells revolve around ripping your enemy's blood from their veins and such.

Nevermind, it's homebrew.

But Khornate armies can still use sorcerers because GW went full retard with Chaos.

Correcting the misconception, Khorne doesn't hate magic.

He hates the use of magic to do the fighting.

Blowing your enemies to dust from half a mile away? Shame on you.

Using magic to get fuckhueg angry before you go rip people's arms off? He's okay with that.

Concocting a ritual to steal people's souls from leagues away? Fuck off.

Doing a ritual to summon a Bloodthirster to lead you into a glorious slaughter? A-okay.

As long as the magic isn't the thing that's doing the fighting, Khorne's okay with it.

you can try eternal crusade but they are underpowered even eldar are better at melee

Librarians are not sorcerers.

This guy knows what's up, the whole Khorne hates sorcery thing is a myth, he hates cowards, and most sorcerers fall under what Khorne would consider a coward.

But if you use magic to blow a guy up by smacking him with your staff, Khorne is ok with that.

Kinda like MNB in space? Truth is no one gives a flying fuck about Orks in Eternal Crusade they suck, in DOW they suck, in mods for DOW they suck Orks are pretty much just here to make other factions look badass. Even the fanbase makes them out to look dumber than they really are.

>tfw orks are literally mushroom
>tfw meme magic literally exist in their society

Misconception. Meks are legitimate technicians they don't slam a bunch of metal together and it just works the gestalt field simply means things which normally jam work smoother.

The correct way to pronounce it keeps changing. So don't worry about it, just say it however it naturally comes to you.

More precisely, they have an intuitive understanding of basic tech despite having no idea what actually goes on in there, like most Windows users.

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>tfw no farcry like game where you rip and tear tau as a Catachan on a death world
>tfw no Warhammer 30k: Space Marine
>tfw no Sniper Elite: Guardsman
>tfw no Mad Max style Ork vehicle combat game
In the grim darkness of the present day, there is only sadness

>no Great Crusade where you fight with your beloved Primarch and Emperor to bring more worlds into the fold for an enlightened and glorious empire
They could even ask Era to make the soundtrack : youtube.com/watch?v=9eRbw0muGiA

Nah man, Khorne hates psykers because GW decided it would be cool when they came up with Khorne. Everything else is just authors trying to justify it with their own reasoning.
My reasoning is that he doesn't like it because psykers are tapping in to the Warp and then channeling it for their own use, essentially stealing the gods own powers.

>They could even ask Era to make the soundtrack

Good taste. I would also accept Two Steps from Hell.

youtube.com/watch?v=atnJ1A5kEWw