Is there anything more depressing than levelling in completely abandoned early game MMO zones that used to be bursting...

>log onto runescape after 6 month break
>everyone on friend-list is still offline
>most other players are either at the GE or doing their own things alone
>wander around, reminiscing on the past
>kill something/mine some ore/fish for a little bit
>check GE to see if any of my items have sold
>log off for another 6 months

That is why I don't play MMOs anymore, I just play The Sims and pretend like the people in it are real people and I'm talking and socializing with them and having fun

yeah I just came back for nostalgia but I don't think I will continue. One day there'll be another MMO worth playing.

one day

my major gripe with oldschool is that everyone knows what they're doing now.

The entire F2P map used to be teaming with people, at least 100 people in each town, people just chilling in random places talking to friends, doing whatever

now it all takes place in in GE, with hardly anybody talking due to CC

This. I had the allure of starting an ultimate ironman and actually got pretty well situated so far.

And of course I played a regular alt. But it hit me when I became a member. It was fun at first, being confused and swamped by all the "LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN DO, CUT THAT TREE, MINE SOME ORE, KILL SOMEONE"

And I completely cut out harvesting skills once I became piss rich from the GE. I was flipping bonds. I could buy my metal, and smith it for profit. Why the fuck would I need to mine anymore?

But how will I ever get 99 in those skills? I'm too old now, I don't have the patience anymore. Especially wasting time on skills that don't feel as truly rewarding. Great Kourand is a shitty and desolate area.

Coming back to play on the day a game gets shut down and meeting up with old friends one last time before the servers turn off.

>5am
>new expac
Everyones doing legion shit.

the dev continuing to push esports shit when nobody has ever cared at any point

getting into a korean mmo must be fucking awful

they always last like 2 years then shut down

Played WoW again for the first time since BC, went the long way around to level my worgen druid in Feralas just for fun.

It was completely dead there, not a soul other than myself.

How do I find the vanilla WoW experience?

MMOs are not the same anymore

:(

WoW has like 100 zones, 200 dungeons, 50 raids, 20 scenarios, 20 arenas, 10 battlegrounds

No wonder you barely see anyone

Been like that since MoP

Feralas has always been dead aside from pvp around DM

You can't. MMO's formulas are refined and rigid now, databases catalogue every little secret almost instantly and the skinner-box effect of the theme park ones is in full motion.

The people themselves have also changed.
Communities are less important and other people are usually just tools to get you gear and goodies. Friendliness or proper manners are not needed anymore, and there's less naivete around.
Sure, you do need a guild or acquaintances to get by in the PVE aspect, but you don't really need to be anyone's friend anymore. If you can top the dps/heal/threat charts most guilds will accept cold players just fine.
It doesn't help that most general chats are filled with memespouters and moderators are out to get you if you mess with anyone's feelings even slightly.

The only way would be to get into something real niche, relatively untouched by modern tendencies.

>things that never happened: the picture
I mean, I can see it happening with a website or a meme, but not with a game.

It must be really horrible if the Neople version shuts down with 3x the grind. Nexon DFO at least had a community to it from Ghent and later.

Howbold are you?

Something more depressing?

Leveling in a popular and very alive MMO, then stopping at the sudden thought that even when numerous people surround you, nobody interacts with other players and they just grind away levels, and how you might aswell be alone.

This is most MMOs right now, and most interaction between players is a quick party to finish a quest together and split up after its done.

I'm not very bold, sadly. 30 years.

It's been happening to games for years user

Yeah, all those games that their makers abandoned because they were no longer fun... wait, what?

What games have good communities?

They made it so 1-40s (might be 20s) don't show up on who so they don't get the auto-invite guild spam.

I think you're taking it too literally here. By "founders" the pic probably means those who started the gaming/p&p/whatever sessions.

Let's say WoW for instance: Its core members were mostly ex-raiders of various other MMO's like Everquest, Runescape or Lineage. Now however, few of those types of players remain. Hardcore raiding has shrunk a big deal and tools to help the non-raiders like LFR have been released just so they could "experience the story".

I have no friends and I must cry

pretty sure I had like 1 or 2 people show up in a few zones on who, but regardless of if they show up, all these zones are dead as fuck and probably will be all the way up to legion areas.

accurate

playing wow in 2016

This

Stop baiting, faggot

I never played WoW - didn't have Internet when it was popular, am not a social person - but it was a game made for Blizz to be as big as possible. I really, really doubt that people use it only as a social platform (in fact, a common complaint I've heard is that the social aspect was killed by that thing that allows to look for group automatically.

Basically, the games don't become more casual because "alphas" and women enter them without being interested in the games themselves. The games become more casual because that's what sells, or at least that is what execs think sells. The image just looks like a bunch of /r9k/ tier projections.

Imagine being a whale who spent hundreds on a game, maybe thousands only for the community to collapse and your pixels made obviously worthless?

Man I need to take a shit

good thing I still have my original wow guide

While I can agree with most of that, you'd be surprised how many people use WoW just a social platform.
But yeah, the pic really works better for more /tg/ related hobbies.

I dunno, /tg/ stuff is what /tg/ stuff is. If you have a good group, you do, if you don't you don't. Sure a lot of people suck but it really is a question of finding those who don't. And you can always run an older edition or homebrew.

It's weird though that Aion is still alive and people who come back ask whether it's still alive.

>want a site like Gaia, but NSFW
>the only alternative is shit
>everything else are just MBs where people post random shit to increase their post count

I've always seen MMO's as a chat room with something to do in the meanwhile. If people see the game aspect primarily and the social aspect secondary, why the fuck would anyone bother to play it? Gameplay in MMO's has always been utter shit.

if only TS1 and 2 were on steam

why the fuck aren't they?

Uthgard just needs to come back.

>It's a people bitch that none is social in MMO's anymore but forget that the only reason you were social in the first place was because you were a little shithead kid that probably annoyed people.
People are not less or more social in MMO's anymore, only difference is that you don't have to shout "LFG for X" for 2h before being able to actually play the game.

Hopping into an empty server for a game that no longer has an active community and just walking around on the map, while thinking back to the good times when the game was alive.

>3x the grind
Jesus it was already a grind from the start.

How is the XP in SWTOR? I want to finish the crock of shit that is the expansion I waited a year for. I heard they gutted the XP so it's almost as easy as the 12x shit they had going on.

Bullshit. They were far more social. I just ran a dungeon for the first time in like 8 years, not only was it less social but people did not say a SINGLE. FUCKING. WORD, not even 'hi.' That literally never happened to me before.

Literally happened to WoW, most of the original dev team is gone, Pardo and Metzen were the last to fall, most classes have lost 1/2-2/3 of their abilities to make it more accessible, the friendly nerdy community from 2006 is gone replaced by minmaxing turbonerd dickheads

No.

It's truly one of the worst feel. Makes you contemplate your own life too.

Like people moved on with your life while you still play WoW. Like they used to do... 10 years ago.

Shits sad.

Had the same experience, people used to at least say 'thanks for the run' at the end or 'gg' during MoP and WoD. Everyone drops group now without saying anything. I thought it couldn't get any more autistic than it was before, apparently I was wrong. It's gotten to the point where you could literally be playing with bots and not notice

They're silent because they are easier to run and do, and thus not much needs to be said. And when you've done the same dungeon for the millionth fucking time on the millionth fucking character, you don't give a shit.

Sorry to burst your autistic bubble but nobody is itching to talk to some fucking literally who in a dungeon they want to finish for a new set of pants they can transmog. Public chat is still a thing, and still shit, and guilds are still a thing and god knows they're still shit. So what the fuck? Go join a guild.

>databases catalogue every little secret almost instantly and the skinner-box effect of the theme park ones is in full motion.
Apparently devs can keep a secret nowadays, just look at hidden quests and hidden artifact appearances in WoW. Granted, as soon as someone finds it and shares it all over the community sites it's all over, but at least it's not known before the content even hits due to datamining.

You sound incredibly needy, dude. And I'm not even shitposting. Why the hell do you care if people say gg or not?

Why are you a moose?

It's just a courtesy. It's meant to be a social game, people used to meet new friends all the time in dungeon runs, fuck me for expecting people might be extremely minimally social in a group setting.

Yes. Watching a genuinely amazing game slowly die because the shitty sequel got an oversized hype train and everyone, even the devs, forgot about the first one.

>3x the grind

>literal railroad straight to lvl86 that can be completed in 2-3 days
>events out the ass that give free chronicle/legendary/epic gears
>even more events that boost your stats to Korean tier for endgame dungeons

Compared to the shit we had in Nexon DFO it's a goddamn cakewalk. The only real grind is if you're really into completing an epic armor set so you can jerk off over damage numbers.

It sounds like the Dark Souls bowing. A courtesy isn't mandatory, and it certainly doesn't matter if they don't do it. I don't even understand why you're acting like these people didn't exist way back in BC and Vanilla. They didn't have to be your friend or respectful just because they were in a raid group or dungeon with you, it was enough that they weren't disruptive assholes.

In the end some people play the game to play the game, group up with strangers when needed, and don't WANT to have conversations with people they will only know for a short period of time.

>they're not less social
>they are less social, and here are some reasons why that is the case

>everyone knows what they're doing now
I think this is why we can't have MMOs anymore, or at least MMOs without some kind of bullshit gimmick added on. No matter how much depth and diffuclty a dev might put together to lock some content away with, there'll always a guide or wiki dedicated to holding a braindead retard's hand through the whole process.

And where exactly did I say "they're not less social"?

I'm saying that there have ALWAYS been unsociable people. The people who claim that this was a tiny thing that barely existed are either lying, incredibly lucky or misremembering it. And the more who come out and claim this the more likely it is to me that people are parroting bullshit.

>Anymore

Nigga since the dawn of the first MMO's guild there was a guide telling you how to bumblefuck your way through the bosses. If that was the reason we can't have MMOs that would have died years ago.

>euRO Ragnarok online
>walking through an empty prontera
>only players online are merchants that sell fucking cash shop items
>old guild spots are deserted
>go in front of the gate where people would sit and chat
>one lonely and afk 150 guy
Felt lonely

Complete shit. I got into conversations with other people constantly while playing on nostalrius. By 60 i even had a handful of very close friends simply because the game was designed in a way that FORCED people to socialise and people from all walks of life do need to be forced. They won't gravitate toward the most enjoyable thing they'll go for the easiest.

In contrast i've been playing gw2 recently and my friends list is totally empty, you play around other players, sometimes help them. But none of it actually forces people to engage in conversation. What you're left with is a shitty arpg unless you happen to break into the inner circle of a guild which can be hard especially since the guild levelling system actively discourages small or new guilds from forming.

May not matter to you, but its just messed up to me that the game that was full of cool people chatting in 2007 (my personal experience) is now people aoeing down dungeons as fast as possible, trying to talk to as few people as possible because conversation slows down runs, so they can raise their ilvl by 2 or 3. My peak experience of WoW was tanking heroics in BC, marking targets, doing CC, chatting with people doing the dungeon because we're together for like 1 1/2-2hrs, wiping and not having people instantly drop group in autistic rage. Better times.

>And where exactly did I say "they're not less social"?

>People are not less [...] social in MMO's anymore

Is your memory this bad?

People are a lot less social now for the reasons you mentioned and because of dungeon finding and shit. Back when dungeons were harder, you had to group up for elite quests and when everything wasn't so automated there was a lot more chatter and making friends was a common thing.

That's not me, genius. And there were still many exceptions to the rules. Many people did not want to make friends, some did, some didn't. That's called variety. And in the modern era of WoW and I'm sure other games (not that I play those ones, since I don't particularly have an interest in them) people are still varied. Some people want to talk, be friends and some people just want the dungeon to be over with.

Making a thread about it.

I agree with this post. What is also really disappointing are the random guild invites without any chat before. And there are huge guilds with noone chatting at all

You know Chris Metzen just left Blizzard right?

>some people just want the dungeon to be over with.

Yeah, everyone.

Switch to heal or tank as druid and instant que up for dungeons, you can make friends while you level and have fun.

I don't know man, we just have polarising personal experiences from the past and now. I'm just getting tired of a thousand of these posts every WoW and MMO thread. If so many people are having this problem you'd think they'd just pick a fucking server and go hang out together.

That has a lot to do with WoW doing the stupidest fucking thing and adding Guild Perks. Which strangled the life out of Guilds and made new ones impossible to create, even when they gutted the traits later on down the track, nobody cares about them anymore since the balance has been shifted and it's nigh impossible to shift back.

Way to be an autist

nice argument

People did do that. It was called Nostalrius and Blizzard shut it down because it was leeching subs off the main game. Can't allow people to enjoy the version of the game they like right?

Argument? Argument against what? Your fucking "durhur everyone is bad and unsocial now" drivel?

Meant for you, whoops. Enjoy that you, I almost forgot to give it to you.

Everyone leveled every class to 100 with invasion shit. You could get from 1 to 100 in 8 hours. Demon hunters start at 98 and you get lvl 100 boost.

I don't really disagree with you on anything then, the way you aggressively responded as if you were disagreeing made me think you were the other guy.

I did switch to resto for a dungeon but no one talked even once and everyone was from a different server, so I'm not sure I'll be making friends or having fun.

And so these people, these apparent thousands of people from Nost, who all want to make WoW social again and talk all the time and yadda yadda. They didn't go "hey lets go back to WoW and change shit, why don't we? We can't stay here, and there are hundreds of us, and apparently nobody else ever talks so that'd be a great start."

Why not? Apparently this is such an issue to them that WoW is socially dead or whatever.

Sounds like you have a dead server at dead hours, OP. And the result of a themepark MMO. The only thing that matters anymore is endgame, unfortunately.

As a WoWfag, you can't /who anyone under 20 to prevent mass guild invites and that's an under 20 zone.

Secondly, the only community left in WoW is in RP realms.

That shit already happened with the release of BC. I mostly leveled in old, abandoned places just for the feeling.
Felt great man

Playing retail in 2016 megalul kys legiontoddlers

I bet Prontera is still a fucking mess.

>game sucks
>go on forums and complain about game being sucks
>get attacked by drones
>blue post locks the thread
>try to tell devs directly that game is suck
>they don't give a fuck because you're not their target demographic anymore
>opportunity to relive the past when game wasn't suck presents itself
>take it
>official devs see that it's not willing to die like other mangos shovelware
>they take action
>finally an outrage
>...
>N O T H I N G happens
do you really think things will change at this point in time? you have higher chances of dying before corecraft comes out before blizzard decides that wow should be an actual mmo again

Because socialising is hard especially when it's one way.
Modern wow is silent because of the way the game is designed not because people changed, they were always a bunch of asocial autists.

>There was one ran by whoever runs gaia now
>They shut it down

All that nsfw content gone. Like tears in the rain

That's the thing. Before in wow you just didn't know people for a short time. You'd level up with those people you saw in zones or did low lv dungeons with.

And at max level you'd group up with people you met before doing heroics or in a raid pug. Now it's all cross realm bullshit so Noone cares.

They *mightve* saved it if they let you add friends cross server right away. I remember at the end of wotlk when they started that shit having groups that were a lot of fun, but knew wed never get matched up again.

I realise that now, but just pretend the /who isn't in that image. The zones still have no people in them at all. Doing /who 20-60 is equally as depressing.

Also this is on an RP(pvp) server and one of the top 10 in population according to realmpop

what now? fight me

it's impossible to be social in modern wow because of how the instancing, questing, class design and LFR works

What because you don't spam LFG anymore? There is literally no fucking difference. The dungeon finder just makes it easier to get into dungeons.

I don't think you actually played WoW. You would group up for group quests but plenty of people would then just go their seperate ways and do their own thing. Occasionally reporting to general chat that some asshole was ganking them if they wanted to get an armada together and rush the poor fucker. Occasionally making some jokes or making groups to go fuck with towns and shit.

Guess what? All that stuff is still in the game. Albiet the "make groups to go fuck with towns and shit" seems more related to guilds than general chat now.

Except it's entirely possible, it's just you don't have to talk to get INTO a group. That is literally the only difference. Some people still never talked unless they actually had to (like "please stop pulling all the mobs that are now raping the poor healer, good rogue!") and it's the same now. The soul difference is you don't have to say "I'd like to join" because you join automatically.

Yes.
youtube.com/watch?v=v-GtLObPoto

way to be an autist

>because you dont have to spam lfg?
Because replacing someone is easy.
Because the dungeons are quick and dont require coordination.
Because the quests in the world don't condition players to chat and work together with other players.
Because there's no downtime and all the classes are well rounded.

You didn't make friends with everyone you played with, but you still made many.

Now you don't even meet anyone on your server while leveling. Or heroics. You rarely even see ANYONE your server or not out in the world.

So your one choice is guilds, but how do you find a good guild if you just join at random?

>Except it's entirely possible, it's just you don't have to talk to get INTO a group.

And what are they going to talk about once they're in a group? How shit the game is?

even if you did see someone, you'd phase into different instances within a few minutes

not that you care, since classes don't rely on each other much anymore (everyone has a self heal, etc.) and all the questing content is easy solo anyway

>What are mythic dungeons

Try playing the game before spouting horseshit.

Who paid you guys to make these comments? Anyone who points out all the things that make the game antisocial and recall going into dungeons where people don't even talk is obviously lying for some reason.

I'm telling you, being automatically assigned to a group with 4 other people who aren't even on the same server as you most of the time hasn't changed anything at all.

>Because replacing someone is easy.
Which was one of the biggest complaints in old WoW, it'd fuck you up if someone screwed around or left and made you distrustful. You'd know about those reactions if you actually played old WoW.
>Because the dungeons are quick and dont require coordination.
Except the tank still has to tank and the healer still has to heal.
>Because the quests in the world don't condition players to chat and work together with other players.
Aside from group quests, which have recently returned, this was never a thing.
>Because there's no downtime and all the classes are well rounded.
Wat?

Thanks bro

In about an hour I'll be home to play WoW and I can just go around to these fucking zones and not be a cherry picking prick, taking pictures of all the people still leveling. I can do this because I'm not parroting shit and trying to start another stale discussion on "Lol WoW is dead."

What the fuck did you talk about before? Talk about it again.

So what about the rest of the game.
Oh yea the levelling experience is only an obstacle before you get to experience the "real game"

> Too stupid to realize what he meant

If it didn't change anything why has wow lost so many subs since x-realms? It was a massive incline up till the end of wotlk and been downhill since except for the start of a new expansion.

>I can do this because I'm not parroting shit and trying to start another stale discussion on "Lol WoW is dead."
They didn't stop sharing sub numbers because the game is doing better than ever. Sorry you're in denial

It's like 6x

You have to finish your classes main story along with each planet's main story (the stuff with actual cutscenes)

T. someone who played as soon as KOTFE came out and quit literally a week after

You have no incentive to group up with people because there is absolutely no need to until end game.

Back in the day you couldn't do all the quests by yourself or you had to go to a slightly higher lvl area and would group up with others who did the same to be able to do a few quests.

The world and leveling content in general was way harder so you grouped up.

Now you just breeze through all the content because the mobs can't practically touch you until you hit the last few expansion areas.

>What the fuck did you talk about before? Talk about it again.

The game.

Can't talk about it now though, there's nothing to say, because the game plays itself.

>Which was one of the biggest complaints in old WoW, it'd fuck you up if someone screwed around or left and made you distrustful. You'd know about those reactions if you actually played old WoW.

Clearly he thinks the alternative is worse where people are utterly disposable and not valued.

>In about an hour I'll be home to play WoW and I can just go around to these fucking zones and not be a cherry picking prick, taking pictures of all the people still leveling. I can do this because I'm not parroting shit and trying to start another stale discussion on "Lol WoW is dead."

I genuinely look forward to this. But it will never come, because even if the thread is still up then, you will go to those zones, realise you're wrong and noone is there and continue to live in denial.

yeah, you clearly were.

that's presuming you don't just use the free 'skip the whole game' boost on the login screen

it's quite sad how wow went from being a big explorable RPG to just an instanced grind for minor ilevel gain chore

The levelling in pretty much all MMOs takes a week max and exists to get players comfy with their character and tell the story.

The old/KMMO model where you level forever means that you're much harder pressed to find people doing the same content as yu at the same time, and instead of balancing things for endgame they have to balance things for a huge range of levels, which is fucking impossible.

But by all means, go play a KMMO and enjoy never even reaching max level because you didn't start playing when the game was released.

Oh yeah they're leaking alright. Down from whatever million to another million number. So dead. Deader than the Republic of Chad.

You could do literally all the quests except group quests, my friend.

Sure I will, man. Sure I will. Your hate boner for a game you don't want to play is weird.

>Which was one of the biggest complaints in old WoW, it'd fuck you up if someone screwed around or left and made you distrustful. You'd know about those reactions if you actually played old WoW.
It has its bad points but ultimately it makes you value other players more and makes people less inclined to troll since the opinions of other players could massively inconvenience you.
>Except the tank still has to tank and the healer still has to heal.
But do the dps need to cc shit? Does the tank need to make sure the other group members are ready? Plan the next encounter?
>Aside from group quests, which have recently returned, this was never a thing.
I don't think you realise how difficult or grindy a lot of the normal quests were
>Wat?
Every class has a heal, a cc, every tool they need to survive on their own. You had to regularly sit and drink/eat and that made room for socialising.

I've recently resubbed, after a 5 years break I thought I'd never end.

Just wondering, what's up with people showing up with "Unknown" as their name? Don't remember that happening more than when servers lagged like hell.

You got to do a lot of dungeons but eventually you will get some people who talk and be friendly, sounds like you are not on a large server?

WoW had a good balance where it wasn't difficult to find people at a similar level. Now that it's this way, you will never find people your level as all the zones apart from the latest stuff (that people just boost to) are dead.

I don't have a 'hate boner', I'm just stating a fact that the early zones are completely dead and people are antisocial in general. You seem to be paranoid and think people like me are all paid shills or something, lying instead of accurately describing our experiences. Is it so hard to believe that this is an incredibly common sentiment for a good reason?

it's a problem with people being loaded in from other servers. Reloading your UI fixes it

>Maybe if you keep spamming the LFG tool, you'll find someone who wants to talk in an MMO
Kind of sad don't you think?

You mean the experiences that are wrong? Wrong like who seems to have forgotten howgrinding and collect quests used to work?

the instant blizz started selling level ups they killed any hope of random contact with friend or foe questing in the wild, y'know the thing that made MMOs interesting

Cheers, was bugging me a bit.

>Blizzard shut it down because it was leeching subs off the main game
No it was because you fucks couldn't go 5 minutes without talking about it at every turn.
Even in the actual game you were spamming trade-chat with it.
Fucking idiots. There are many private servers around, and do you know why they aren't being shut down?
Because they're not stupid enough to advertise on the blizzard forums and in trade chat.

This shit doesn't bug me. I used to love questing in the shitty forgotten zones like Desolace or Hinterlands. Desolace specifically always lived up to it's name. Before the Cata remake, I almost never saw people there unless it was to do Mara. And then that was killed with dungeon finder.

Having to make new friends because your buds from when you first started playing splintered off to other realms or fucked off of wow altogether.

EVE Online

does that also fix being unable to see what they're saying in party chat as well?

>Them droprates for hoofs, heads, tails, everything else you can straight up see on the mob
>Respawn time for some mobs
>Respawn time for questgiver that sir Chucklefuck killed

This new tagging system has made things a bit too easy, but I think I like it overall. Can still fuck over opposing factions which always make me feel good.

I mean not really most people just are leveling not looking to socialize. Kinda easy to understand. You can spam LFG to level and play with people. If you want to talk to people there's other things then LFG.

What do you think socializing in an mmo means? Talking about the weather?

No fuckwit, it's talking about the game and things in the game and strategising and asking for help and dungeon runs and so forth. It's about making the fucking world seem lived in and immersive. You seem to think it's a facebook game, where you play and have the option to open up a chat window and talk to someone while you do that. You grossly misunderstand the point and I assume it's because you've never actually experienced what the person you're talking to has.

You're a dumbass. People become friends through shared experiences.

Funny thing about OPs picture is that it's a sub 20 zone and players don't show up on /who when below 20.

Oh you mean that thing that's still a thing, and you'd know if you actually played the game instead of shitposting? Hm. Weird.

>playing the game right fucking now
>nobody ever talks during world quests
>nobody ever talks during mythics
>city chat is memeing, anal [whatever] and spam bots selling shit, with rare guild ad now and then

>bu hu anyone who says what I dont like is shitposting

lol

your post is worthless, you avoided the argument and offered nothing, you are the shitposter.

>anal [whatever]
The worst thing about vanilla is that you cant do this.
Druid has the best fucking moveset for it.

The mythic shit is literally as false as it gets, the world quest is unchanged from how it used to be and guess what you're lying about playing the game in the past if you don't admit that it has ALWAYS been memes in city chat.

No, good sir, shitposting is shitposting. Your argument is fucking empty and wrong. Socalise is basically becoming a buzzword in this thread, some shit you throw out to make a stupid argument.

This hurts. This hurts badly.

people talk in mythics all the time dude

I was just playing in Redridge last night at like 4 in the morning and there were like 10 or 15 people running around. I haven't played since the first couple months of Mists but back then you were lucky to see anybody in a zone prior to level 50-ish zones or the starting zones. Most people just queued for dungeons to level.

>Your argument is fucking empty and wrong.

Say why, shitposter

nah senpai. you clearly haven't been playing MMO's that long.

If you played vanilla up to TBC WoW, and were ever rich (had phats) in runescape, you saw literally thousands of people who had no idea what the fuck to do

now everybody just googles what to do before they even play a fucking game, or watch somebody good on twitch and copy them.

new media has ruined the MMO experience.

Scroll up and re read the thread, retard

MMOs are just dungeon queues now. There's no point to the open world in them anymore.

>Oh you mean that thing that's still a thing, and you'd know if you actually played the game instead of shitposting?

Good argument faggot, try again.

Even further, fuckhead. The entire thread is literally "but you can't socalise anymore, in vanilla you could!" "Except it's almost identical" "NO BUT IN VANILLA YOU COULD!"

The early WoW zones aren't even the same ones they used to be, all the quests and a bunch of the NPCs and even the land itself is different thanks to the shitty revamp in Cataclysm, I can't even resub for nostalgia anymore.

while I was lvling from 1 to 100 in WoW everything was deserted and empty, felt like playing a dead private server for the most part, dungeon queues are nice but they nerfed the fuck out of the exp you get from dungeons so questing is the way to go now.

After I got to 100 though every area became a lot more filled up

>"Except it's almost identical"

That's not an argument shitforbrains, try again

>think to myself:"it's not that bad, right?"

The worst part is that they replaced all tgat worldbuilding with memes.

blame cata for destroying the old world and replacing timeless regional quests with cata shit thats only relevant for one expansion

also love that running deadmines 2-5 times jumps me like 10 levels that lets me skip two regions

Did you play vanilla, you stupid faggot.

I mean, there were always memes and pop culture references in Warcraft, like old Un'goro was more memes than actual world building or lore, but for most zones it wasn't so prolific, you're right. Redridge became just a huge Rambo reference. Duskwood got it the worst, though. Stitches was made into a fucking phased soloable quest.

"almost identical"

in vanilla and tbc, you lvl'd at a snails pace struggling to complete quests that were impossible to do alone unless you were one of the few really strong solo classes.

grouping was ESSENTIAL for BASIC LEVELLING. you made friends with people whom you interacted with quite often, because you'd get more quests that you would need help with.

Before x-realm, servers actually felt like their own world. people had reputations, friends would find friends of friends to join your dungeon, etc.

Now, you level up from 1-100 in a haze of LFG dungeons. if you bother doing world questing (most people don't) there is zero difficulty, you literally just one shot most mobs if you have decent gear.

tell me, again, how the social elements are "identical".

I didn't even play Alliance in vanilla, but Cataclysm Westfall makes me want to kill myself

>ultimate ironman
I made one as well but it's such a broken mode I decided to change it to regular ironman after a while
Stopped playing alltogether now but

>Cataclysm Westfall makes me want to kill myself

I played some gamecube game that was about a universal studios tour and you literally had to pick up trash as the gameplay. THAT was more fun than that Uldum zone.

>mfw i don't know that feel because gw2 enforces coming back to old maps and have a mega server feature

Which is a good thing, because the biggest feature of the game is how beautiful the maps are.

You are literally fucking lying and I've told you repeatedly. IT WAS NOT FUCKING ESSENTIAL UNLESS IT WAS FOR A GROUP QUEST.

Stop parroting shit you've heard from other people in these threads, you LEGIT fucking autist.

Nothing will ever infuriate me more than them turning Hogger into this actual powerful character so terrifying a guard shits his pants when he hears the name.

>stop parroting shit you've heard from other people in these threads

I've been playing WoW since closed beta faggot.

are you telling me you did the harvest watchers quest in westfall, for example, alone?

bull fucking shit you did.

I like gw2 but it'll never scratch that same itch that old wow did.
Gw2 epitomizes the idea of "playing alone, together" also that next expansion better be fucking coming soon.

Not that guy you're arguing with, but I did it on a vanilla warlock

Which, in my memory, was not a very good class

vanilla warlocks were godlike for questing. They were just shitty in dungeons.

warlock, hunter and shaman were easymode for levelling up.

This is true of vanilla zones during wotlk. But during vanilla? Hell no half the quests in the zone would be too hard to do on your own (or too hard to do quickly on your own at least) most classes had no heals and dying was a pain in the ass because most zones only had one graveyard.

I've seen videos of people trying different mmos in vr and so far they've been quite impressed.

Gliding around gw2 maps in VR is gonna be incredible...if I only had the money for it.

I dont understand, how can you play a third person game in vr?

>most classes had no heals
the only class that had trouble solo leveling was warrior

I played during BC and Red Ridge was already abandoned.

Is the free WOW still only to level 20? You would think by now they would of raised it a bit. I have barely any interest in playing but if I could play to say level 40 or 50 I might spend some time with it.

>holy priest
>paladin in any spec
>rogue pre distract

dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.

GW2 has first person view and action camera. I don't know about the other mmos. Though I have no problem hovering above my character in fpv like a spirit.

The only classes that could heal were priests, druids, paladins and shaman.

Kronos 2 WoW private server.

Kronos doesn't even have proper glancing blows. that shit is easymode.

It's probably the closest you're going to get.

Crestfall when.

mate you don't level in healer specs, the only people who did that were me
pallies could literally drop concecration and the atkspd seal and tab out for half a minute because that was the only way to actually kill a mob as a paladin
rogues could just nuke mobs and run away if they're overwhelmed, same with mages who could keep distance thanks to A LOT of cc on frost
turbomemes such as warlock and huntard didn't even need to tank mobs because their pets did that
literally the ONLY class that had actual legitimate trouble leveling solo was warrior

Sims 1 and Sims 2 aren't sold anymore.
Only way to get them is pirating.

you obviously dont remember how bad glancing blows fucked paladins and rogues.

consecration took like half of your mana back then. glancing blows were true RNG, not artificial RNG, meaning you could literally die fighting any mob.

rogues also couldn't run away as well as you think unless they were specced for vanish or sprint, both of which were wastes of points if you planned on doing dungeons.

80% of players were grouped for at least half of their questing experience. also dont forget that nobody really even knew how to play.

Played this a week ago, peak time usually actually has a few people playing, got into a pretty active guild almost 5 minutes into starting

Kamadan and Pre-Searing both have good communities, Pre-Searing exclusive toons are pure cancer though

PVP is fully dead though, much less people to quest or run with, empty outposts are the most depressing thing I've witnessed in a game

>tfw i hate pve
>tfw i wanted to do some JQ, FA and AB and nobody does that
>everybody just jerks off with their edgy characters in pre-searing ascalon city

fuck my life

does anyone still play age of conan?

this. tbc strats were not super public in raiding for a little bit, and even then it was not the easiest to execute either. thottbot/allakazam/wowhead (was wowhead even a thing back then)? and mmo champion were only starting, I think.

The internet was like a different age back then.

I liked both about the game. I loved being a ranger on that kurzick castle map the luxons attacked, using a longbow and feeling an archer defending the castle. They fucking hated me once they found out (which was not very often)

Man, FUCK arena net and their awful gw2. I just had to come see this thread right after reading a depressing webtoon to boot.

Oh yeah they finished the bridge.

Ain't no school like the old school.

there was no wowhead, wowhead was wrath/cata.

It was all thottbot (who the fuck used allakazam lmao)

glad to see somebody else actually remembers. I feel like a lot of these people in these threads just played some nostalrius and think they're getting the real experience.

> Le Pristine servers meme
> Even Blizzard devs thinks current WoW is the same as vanilla.

>you can solo in this game
instant drop
was FFXI like the only mmo that was balls to the walls hard to solo to the point where doing shit alone would be worthless?
I'd like to see a game like that again.

How many people in these threads are even talking about raids though.

thanks, you're only the 3rd or 4th person to say that and be replied to. the /who in the image doesn't mean anything but unless they were hiding really well there were legit no people there, and I went through a bunch of other areas and saw like 4 people in total. This is on a top 10 population server.

I really, really doubt that. I'd be surprised if you saw a single person but I could buy it. 10 or 15 though? At 4 AM no less? Keep it realistic dude.

I'm surprised you found anyone, but what the fuck are those other two 110 guys even doing there?

weird, it's been over an hour now and still none of these screenshots with busy levelling zones. Very strange.

allakazam was more from vanilla I think? I played that too, but not as much, tbc and first half of wrath was my main go.

Man I remember the raids fighting each other on a pvp server in classic in blackrock mountain, that shit was good.

Oh, and shit talking to each other in /1 during raids to other people raiding, and then guild leaders would get mad sometimes and shit.

As much as I'm conflicted about it, there was a tweet from ghostcrawler that was really right. LFR, as an idea, is good for fucks to experience the story, but it was not implemented right.

Back in vanilla/tbc/some of wrath? there was a sense of amaze when you saw someone walking around in awesome ass tier set. Its what made me make my orc warrior. I saw thrall and saurfang (back before he became a big meme) and made my guy named saurfang, because he looked cool as shit.

I still remember being first on the server horde side to down illidan, and I was the prot warrior off-tank (GM was prot warr MT, with a druid and healer pally that would go prot for hyjal trash) and we were cool with loot, and he gave me the shield that dropped. I felt like a fucking celebrity. It was so dope.

Theres no more of that feeling, finally killing the boss period. Not killing it on mythic only mode to get a slightly cooler version of the armor with neat color.

This turned into a big fucking rant, but yeah back then it was more community, less online about stuff. "google it" had not come just yet.

Either way redridge is like an 20 plus zone anyway.

the reason they probably saw anyone was because of CRZ, to make it all seem less dead. not in for broken isles, but thats where the bulk of the actual server is playing so it shouldnt be dead anyway.

fucking crz is awful with trying to get anything from old content like time lost proto fuck, or pandaria rares with their 5-10% drop rates on toys and shit.

Only thing I really like is the tap system, took them fucking long enough to implement it.

20+ what?

Oh. In vanilla it was around 16 -25 with a few higher level elite quests.

My favorite thing from vanilla and TBC was getting the guild together to fuck with x roads (we were an alliance guild called the blood hounds).

We would get everybody 40+, maybe a raid group of like 30 of us and just go fucking wreck it. It would end up becoming a huge war, we'd send a guy back to stormwind to recruit randoms and join us while we fought. So many horde would come.

The best was PoM pyro in TBC as a mage and doing those raids. I had good enough gear to one shot anybody that wasn't a tank.

It was really a different era of online gaming. glad that I could share this conversation with you.

Remember back then, people couldn't inspect your talents either? Guilds weren't obsessed with min/max bullshit unless you were a really hardcore raiding guild. nobody acted like a pretentious dick. everybody was just trying to work together to have fun, for the most part.

the inspect/talents/gear garbage was mainly in wrath especially once gearscore became a thing. as it opened it up for casuals, it opened it up for their awful behaviour as well (doesnt help dks were actually a little complicated in wrath, unless my memory is failing me) there was pretentious dick stuff but it was mostly on "elite" guilds of the server, much rarer than it is now.

yeah man I remember in vanilla being the "do it all" warrior spec (minus raid tank MT) that had mortal strike and the prot talent to actually give you threat in def stance. I cant remember if I ever got an arcanite reaper or used a OEB or some shit, but pvp was fun shit back then. It was more like rock-paper-scissors. I could blow up some stuff with MS crits, and rogues I could overpower. Mages that raided had the pom pyro with toep and hakkar trinket, it was such bullshit but they were squishy as fuck so they really actually felt like glass cannons.

Back before the pvp turned into pillar hump, that was my ONE main gripe with tbc. FUCK arena, and fuck pillar hump.

You probably have the most skewed version of nostalgia I've ever seen.

how so??

That guy is right m8. Feralas was always pretty much dead. I started Vanilla day 1, so I know.
But that was okay. At least you had the idea of people being "over there" in other areas. In the same world as you. So finding a cozy place with no people was just chill. Every place is empty not though. Which ruins it.