Was making Bat Within purchasable a mistake?

Was making Bat Within purchasable a mistake?

> Play Bayonetta 1 or 2
> "This game is hard, I keep dying!"
> "I better save my money for healing items"
> "Techniques? I don't really know what any of these do... maybe I'll just get the first one?"

> Bat Within is all the way down the bottom of the list in the shop
> The difficulty curve and faster attack speed don't make it apparent that dodging isn't enough to get you by
> The description does a terrible job of explaining the technique, makes people think that you have to use it rather than it being passive

Bayonetta was ruined in 2 but Jeanne made my dick diamonds

I don't think it matters as much as you think it does

The way you use greentext makes me think you're an insufferable faggot that came from r/Cred Forums.
Learn to dodge and quit your bitching.

The swap in styles fit them both really well and made them exponentially hotter than they were in 1.

this. fuck off OP

Jeanne lost all sort of personality in Bayo 2

Nah, Bayonetta's beehive is a much better look on her, Jeanne wasn't that attractive in 1, but it looks like she was always meant to have her hair down. I'll admit I have a bias towards women with long hair

Just like any Platinum game your first time playing one of their games you will have to figure this shit out on own or look it up, to realize skills are the best and fuck any consumable item forever, but if you're saying you should get it for free because you might not figure out it makes the game easier then I strongly disagree. You're just saying the game is too hard (which it's not, even without bat within) and you never figured out that you want a lot of moves.

>The difficulty curve and faster attack speed don't make it apparent that dodging isn't enough to get you by

That's because you're wrong and regular dodging is not only enough but you'd have to an egoraptor type 'IT DOESNT COUNT IF THEY DIDNT TEACH ME!' Of asshole not to look into your options when you feel like you could do more. Platinum games are literally designed around you figuring shit out yourself and taking that away hurts the product.

These are the same people who didn't buy Defensive Offensive

> "This game is hard, I keep dying!"
> "I better save my money for healing items"
> "Techniques? I don't really know what any of these do... maybe I'll just get the first one?"
Why do you type like this? Scratch that, why is this in meme arrows AND quotes when you could have just done it in regular text.

People actually got consumables? I only saved up for weapons, techniques, and some accessories and I tried out all the techniques

This, Bayo short hair is tons better
Jeanne is great either way

I'll give a complete fucking noob to the genre a pass for using consumables, but the first time you see you lose points for doing so you should realize the game is practically telling you that you cheated.

Who types like this

Jeanne's makeup always looked like a clown's, it doesn't help that her hair being loose made it worse

I always felt that in Bayo 1 both girls were so beyond dolled up it looked stupid, Bayo 2 is much better about that .

What about as an introduction to the genre? How about the guy that plays it once then writes a review?

There's a difference between making the game easier, and gating a core mechanic behind a set of obscure menus.

I want to take bayonetta out on a date! I'd hold hands with her and touch her butt!

All of the techniques are vital parts of your kit, it's not like bat within is uniquely significant. And even still, you're given the bare minimum you'll need to complete the game for free to start out with.
I really fail to see what the issue you had with the game here is it just sounds like you failed to buy a technique of that would be really I really fail to see what the issue you had with the game here is. It just sounds like you took a while to buy a technique that you yourself use a lot and find very useful to your play style. Bat within isn't necessary to beat the game or anything. What's the issue here?

Even if it was the last move you bought, it shouldn't have made much impact. Any smart player would have realized that techniques are the #1 priority and avoided buying anything else until every move was purchased.

Making an awful long hang on minigame and putting an awful long space harrier minigame before the best boss in the game was a mistake.

>not buying permanent upgrades first when you have money

Are people really stupid enough to blow all their money on one use items in any game? You buy one or two if you really need the help but not realizing permanent upgrades are a superior purchase every time is beyond retarded.

>buying items when you can just make them
>using items at all
>not just dumping your money into techniques

are you retarded or something?

Is it really core? It's basically an extended dodge window. I got through fine without it on my first run. This isn't like W101 and the block.

>Look for Jeanne porn
>It's either Jeanne with big tits (heresy) or Bayo grows a dick and fucks Jeanne
Why
WHY

>and touch her butt!
say goodbye to that hand

>a core mechanic
its not gated though
you have the dodge by default and it does the same thing
bat within just upgrades it

Its not even an extended dodge window, it just gives you more benefits for dodging at that particular time.

The reason techniques need to be purchased is so the player isn't overwhelmed by them immediately. As he/she masters the techniques already available new ones are slowly introduced at the player's own pace. Bat within isn't available at the start because new players and players who need 100s of healing items to move on have no business attempting to time a dodge just right to get bat within.

And a whole other difference between gimping your game so it gets a better score from a review site that doesn't even exist in your studio's country

The techniques are gated to introduce you to the game and genre if necessary.

A beginner has no business attempting to activate bat within on purpose. They also don't benefit from a billion techniques overwhelming them minute one.

Instead you are given good powerful moves to start and given the option to expand your move list in the direction you want to after you have gotten used to the current moves. The player is given tons of new options after they have shown they are competent with what is available. Not only that but they are given the ability to move in the direction they choose by picking the moves/weapons/magic they get next.

I don't think she'd mind user.

at the very least expect a ton of sass

>play game for the first time
>not realize at first how good buying skills is
>find out about skill
>game becomes easier for buying the skill, like you wanted
>CRY LIKE ITS UNFAIR THAT YOU HAD TO LEARN ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE GAME
>WHEN YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED

When I find out about a new skill that helps me play, I get happy, rather then cry on the internet and get pissy when no one cries with me.

This. If you want to shit on Bayo and platinum just say this instead of saying you were mad when you found out how good an upgrade was.

Bayo touches your ass, you don't get to touch hers.

>Tfw I grab bayo's hand with my ass

>A beginner has no business attempting to activate bat within on purpose.

Bat within isn't really an ability that you activate on purpose, though. It really just functions as an extension of the dodge window to a little after the attack hits. It can't overwhelm you, new players, as it's just an extension to the existing dodge.

>yfw bat within activates the second you make contact

Well that's your fault for not checking what's there.

>Bat within isn't really an ability that you activate on purpose, though.
Oh yes it is.

It also doesn't extend the dodge window but transform the first normal dodging instance into bat within.

By purchasing it the player is given an explanation of its use and opportunity to practice instead of just being a thing that randomly helps out shitty players when the get lucky but not enough to do them any good,

Fucking lel. So you admit you don't even know how to use the skill on purpose to get out longer attacks before dodging, and just spam dodge without timing it and like bat within because it forgives you for fucking up?

Also you quoted the wrong guy but I'll still attack your shitty argument against him even though I stole his (You)

>but transform the first normal dodging instance into bat within
What do you even mean by that? Not that guy but I found it basically served as an extender to the window.

You always dodged at the time bat within is activated. When you buy bat within it changes that instance of dodge into bat within. It just feels like it extended the window becasue before there was no separation.

>> "Techniques? I don't really know what any of these do... maybe I'll just get the first one?"
The game points out recommended techniques. I think Bat Within was one of them.

>> The description does a terrible job of explaining the technique, makes people think that you have to use it rather than it being passive
That's why you have the option to try it out.

More importantly, why the hell did you have to buy Air Dodge in Bayo 1?

>I better save my money for healing items
first of all in the first game you were punished heavily for using them so why would you buy them?
second of all if you use healing items you are a pathetic loser

You're still not really explaining anything. What even is bat within if not just an extended window? You keep saying it changes to bat within but not what that actually is.

Bayo 2 was about her family, so it makes sense they had to reduce her screen time. Also she was dead for most of the game.

In that case, what is the actual purpose of bat within and how do I "use the skill on purpose to get out longer attacks before dodging"?

I'm genuinely curious, the game itself just says it mitigates damage if you dodge immediately after taking damage.

To activate Witch Time, you dodge just before getting hit. Bat Within makes this dodge window longer, by dodging as you're hit instead. This makes it so that your dodge window turns longer. That's all Bat Within is.

>You always dodged at the time bat within is activated. When you buy bat within it changes that instance of dodge into bat within.


Thats not true

Lets say you have a ten second window to dodge.

With bat within you still have a ten second window to dodge but second one now becomes bat within.

I believe bat within has increased witch time, increased magic gain and is the only way to get witch time in certain situations.

From the Bayo wiki

>By successfully dodging an attack at the very last second, Bayonetta will briefly turn into a flock of bats and push away nearby enemies. Witch Time will also activate once Bayonetta reforms.

So it's just a dodge window extender.

Bat Within isn't even available for purchase from the start, you have to get Panther Within through the story after the first boss before you can buy it. You're supposed to know that regular dodging and not bat within is the main way you're supposed to avoid damage and that bat within is just an extra stylish bonus technique. If it were made available from the start you just end up with a lot of new players who can't dodge quick enough relying on it as their main form of avoiding damage which isn't what it's supposed to be for.

Yes but it pushes enemies and has some nifty things about it.

What are these nifty things?

Basic moves that need to be purchased are just classic Platinum bullshit.

Don't fucking play the second one before the first one, dumbass

What the fuck are you talking about?

Can we just talk about what's really important here, guys?

Where's the PC Port?

CEMU is working on it.

In every other game on the planet
>HP bar extensions, magic bar extensions, stamina bar extensions, defense-buffing armor, offense-buffing weapons, more powerful spells, etc., are unlockable as the game progresses.
This is fine and normal

But in Bayonetta
>dodge-window extension is unlockable as the game progresses
THANKS FOR TEACHING ME GAME GOD WHAT THE FUCK

It's a purchaseable upgrade to Bayo's stats. Just like the Witch Hearts and Moon Pearls in the shop, you spend halos on a thing that permanently enhances your character numerically; in Bat Within's case, by extending the window available for dodging.

How is this odd?

Yes. But not quite. It's pretty much a "oh shit I got hit but I pressed the Dodge button, oh look witch time activated'
Extended Witch time for one and a tiny bit of damage. You trigger a big ass bomb if using the rosary accessory.