What's the Star Wars prequels of video games?

Apologists should be executed

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Fallout 3, Fallout NV, Fallout 4

he made a new one?!

Yep and it can be summed up as bitching about diversity and lack of sex.

Mass Effect 3.

Hey man fuck you, if nothing else Qui-Gon was rad. OT Jedi before his time.

pretty much

He said he was okay with the diversity, he just hated how the media and cast kept wanking off to it as if it's something that's special.

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Every single Star Wars movie was complete dog shit except for empire strikes back. It was a movie for children made specifically to sell toys and it got way out of hand.

And how close the new film was to A New Hope.

Episode one pretty much sucked, except for nice action segments. 2 and 3 were ok. The problem in my opinion is that people tend to think that the old trilogy was some kind of storytelling masterpiece. It was not. I love SW movies, but when you start to look at the old trilogy with a bit of a critical approach, you start to notice that the story was actually quite bland and underdeveloped. Just like Obi-Wan's actor said, it's basically a simple fairytale. I myself really like the idea of trying a bit more complicated story and more developed world that the prequels went with.

>Some boring asshole who lies and cheats his way through everything, disobeys his superiors, then dies.
What a great character.

midichlorians will never not be stupid.

RE5, RE6 and Metal Gear Survive

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>everything was filmed in front of a green screen in the OT
>lightsabers were overused in the OT
>jar jar binks was in the OT
Okay

E1 is good if only because it gave us podracing

>would've cheated to free both if watto didn't have jew powers
>does all this for the greater good
>keeps trying to get a hold of everyone after he dies
>even yoda realizes he was right all along at the end of the PT

>even yoda realizes he was right all along at the end of the PT
What?

He was right all along to bring forth Darth Vader and literally wipe out the Jedi?

Sure thing.

I really don't intend to be mean, but the prequels are so fundamentally flawed and so bizarrely constructed into an ultimately incoherent slurry of special effects that have incredibly aged poorly. I watched them all in the lead-up to Ep7, and they ranged from laughably bad to genuinely upsetting.

At least the OT was concise and classical, and its reliance on practical effects gives it an astronomically longer shelf-life in contrast to the prequels. It isn't perfect though, don't get me wrong.

I say this as someone who was literally the target audience of the PT, who saw all the movies and bought all the toys and did all the role play in and out of school.

>That whole section on the ring theory.

I know Cred Forums believes stuff like this, but they are shitposters so who cares. I am surprised that normies who write these articles use the same ideas.

Mass Effect 1 = OT
Mass Effect 2 = TPM+TCW
Mass Effect 3 = Revenge of the Sith

This has potential to be what you are asking

Apparently, nigga. Who do you think Yoda and Obi-Wan got their force ghost shit from?

Why do they have to keep the shitty 70s aesthetic with glowing buttons and shitty monitors with wireframe screens in the new movies? It's seriously distracting when they try to keep the bullshit from those days around.

5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 1 > Holiday Special > 2

I think the the thought is that since it's a sequel to the OT, the tech would look similar

>6 and 3 above 7

I agree 7 was mediocre, but come on. 6 and 3 were fucking trash. At least 7 had a good lightsaber fight.

So did 2 but that didn't save that shit movie.

It would have to be a sequel made by the same developer that made the great original game where they created a product that was incredibly hyped, but failed spectacularly because the dev team fundamentally didn't understand what made the first game good.

Bonus points if that dev then pumped out another game or a DLC that just doubled down on all of the wrong shit and pissed off the fanbase even more.

Double bonus points if that new game that completely failed to live up to the first now has it's own zealous fanbase of idiots that adore it for no real good reason.

Triple Bonus Points if a new developer took that game series over and managed to make a new game that captured some of the spirit of that original game, but didn't quite rise to the same level.

I'm thinking of "unnecessary addition or reboot of a franchise".

Immediately, I think of Duke Nukem Forever.

2 is best nonOT film

This right fucking here. As much as I love Star Wars, the original trilogy is overrated as fuck.

This is correct. The originals story's where any better than the prequels. They were just presented a bit better.

Honestly, the Star Wars films are pretty much advertising for toys and the universe itself, and it's great at doing what it does. The Star Wars video games are much better than any of the films. The best film by far is Empire, and the original 1977 Star Wars is good too but I wouldn't put it up there with Empire. The rest, if they were stand alone honestly wouldn't be remembered if not for being called Star Wars, and the original would only be a cult classic if Star Wars didn't turn itself into a huge expanded universe. Emprie is the only one that can stand on it's own really as a top film.

The appeal of Star Wars was this huge universe to explore, with all this cool military science fiction tech and guns and walking tanks, starships. The plot and characters were just sorta stock characters taken out of classic science ficiton like Lucas said he did. Nothing wrong with it. But when faggots go on shitting on the prequels when Empire aside they are barely worse than the originals in story and characterization anyways (Originals were better for banter though I admit) it just gets retarded.

The best thing about Star Wars is it's universe itself, and the games and some of the books that take full advatage of it. The films are mainly advertisements for the universe.

Star Wars tech is not meant to make sense

Mass Effect already had it's prequel moment with ME3 and arguably ME2

It's the worst of the Prequels, and that's coming from someone who grew up with it and the media it spawned.

>Sheer film-making competence

V > VII > VI > IV > I > III > II

>Story

IV = V > VI = III > VII > I > II

>How well this shit is going to age in the year 2054

V > VI > I > VII > IV > III > (episode II already looks like pure shit )

>They were just presented a bit better.
>were just a bit better
>just a bit better
>a bit better

You mean they weren't a total narrative clusterfuck with massive tone and pacing issues, and instead were just simple adverture movies that were written with coherence and decent cinematography?

No you're wrong

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Well i can't change your shit taste so, let's just agree to disagree.

The prequels didn't even feel like they belonged in the same universe as the original films. FFS just look at the droids, in the original movies you had R2 and 3PO, some gonk droids, some other R2 looking things but worse, and an occasional mouse droid. The prequels introduce us to billions of high tech insane battledroids that look like nothing we ever saw in the original movies despite it only taking place like 20 years prior. That would be like Making a modern day movie where you see normal computers, then you make a move set in 1996 and everyone is using fucking crazy ass holographic computers. They don't mesh at all and the excuse of "well things get worse under a dictatorship" is a flimsy fucking excuse as that would take far longer to see that kind of shift. Lucas purposefully ignored what he did in the OT to go off and create his own thing, good for him he's the creator he can do what he likes, but it's a piss poor way to create a cohesive fictional universe.

Mass effect

>VII not below IV in film-making competence

[spoilerthat's really the only problem i had with your list[/spoiler]

No u

Mass Effect 2,3, Dragon Age 2, Inquisition, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2.

>7 above 4 in longevity

You are literal trash

Halo sequel trilogy. Fuck 343 Industries

except fo and fo2 were bad
>ugly grafics
>turn based combat
>ugly sprites
>bad sound
>bad 3d
>literally impossible to beat first dungeon in fo2 unless you went full melee

Episode IV is groundbreaking, but it really is kind of a cheap B-movie that was saved with really good editing and some (for the time) dazzling special effects. The blocking is poor, the screenplay is pretty terrible, and there are a lot of little tricks to keep the thing from falling apart. VII is better made, even if it isn't as memorable or as original.

Go watch episode IV again and tell me that those 1970's sequences match up well with the 1997 CGI. IV is the landmark film, V is the actual good looking one.

Yeah I guess. I don't hate them, I love Star Wars. I just don't get the OT worship and the PT hate. The qualitative difference isn't that big outside of Empire anyways.

I was a fucking huge Star Wars nerd as a kid, and still enjoy going back to it, but Empire aside, I wouldn't put any of the films up as cinema greats. They were just fun action sci fi films on the level of Stallone or Swchazenegger films, but with a more interesting setting.

As I said before, the meat of Star Wars is the universe itself, and imagining all the cool things in it. I spent more time reading books about it and reading wiki articles about random as fuck vehicles and weapons than ever watching the films. And half the Star Wars video games easily eclipse any Star Wars film, even Empire in quality and fun factor.

I am so fucking tired of talking about Star Wars.

Its been almost 20 years and I still keep seeing "the prequels were actually good and you're too stupid to understand them" posts and click bait videos

How did a fun space movie from the 70s escalate to this? Is it some kind of metaphor for growing up? Because Star Wars is no longer fun for me

Star Wars is basically like Indy. It's a fun film, nothing wrong with it. But it's not fucking Apocalypse Now or The Good the Bad and the Ugly.

TPM = 7/10. Story was meh but it's not the point, it presented some cool visual artworks and ideas and I enjoyed the video games spin offs. I'm glad it exists and pod racing was awesome.
AotC = 7/10. Same, story was meh, romance part was shit, but the ending battle was great fun sci fi war porn, clone troopers were cool as fuck, I enjoyed all the games based off it and all the Clone Wars TV shows where they used the clone airspeeders like Vietnam choppers.
RotS = 7/10. Same pretty much, overdid the CGI and lightsabre fights which hurt pacing a bit, but by this point you fucking know you are watching an add for games and toys. So I was just like fuck this character/battle is cool can't wait to go buy the new Battlefront with this map and character in it.
ANH = 8.5/10. Story is nothing special, retarded plot like one fucking fighter killing the death star, chracters and bants where fun. Cool ships and guns I guess, I enjoyed it, I like the games based off it it, also Tatooine is a goat setting it's like a space western, also those Jawas and sandcrawlers, I want more games where I get to use and explore them, Jedi Academy and that one level in Lego Star Wars 2 weren't enough.
ESB = 9/10. Legit good film. Fantastic everything. Kirschner is a better director that Lucas. Actual good writing, dialog, acting, characterizing and growth and a good plot. It also has all of the previous bells and whistes and content for the games.
RotJ = 8/10. Awesome setting by going back to Tatooine and seeing Jabba and the Sarlac, but could have been better without ewoks, plot was a bit silly but who cares. Was fun to watch and provided a lot of cool games, visually my favourite of the OT because of all the new rebels fighter and fleet ships they added.
TFA = 4/10. Literal visual and plot rehash of 4. Nothing new or cool.

I honestly can't think of a game that fails as catastrophically as the prequels do.

Plenty of games don't really live up to the name of their predecessors, but we're talking a fairly small step down in quality most of the time. And most are still decent games when judged on their own.

The prequels are just complete shitfests that barely deserve to be called movies. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan. The prequels are awful, awful movies by any metric. Even someone totally ignorant of Star Wars would rightfully call them horrible movies.

I was thinking of maybe DmC Devil May Cry, but even that's better than the prequels. It succeeds at the basic things a video game should succeed at.

Meanwhile Episode 1 doesn't even have a protagonist or antagonist. A fucking 10 year old could've written a better structured story.

This is the best answer in the thread. New Trilogy wasn't just bad, it was soulless, and lacking in imagination, desperately trying to cash in on what the older movies did without adding anything of value themselves. That is exactly how I would describe the NSMB line, even if it's nowhere near the New Trilogy in terms of sheer horribleness.

>Episode IV is groundbreaking, but it really is kind of a cheap B-movie that was saved with really good editing and some (for the time) dazzling special effects.

I suppose so, it has shown it's age and 7 is just a remake of 4. I'd put under VI, but i still like 4 way more than 7, since i've already seen 4.

Why is Episode II so fucking bad?

The love and hate is overblown, but that's because star wars is overblown. It's a fun simple film series that is held up to a higher standard than any other work of fiction.

Love them or hate them the prequels did a lot of strange things not only with the setting, but with characters, and tone, and storytelling and for a good number of people those strange choices just come off as incredibly off-putting.

People that have never seen the original films and go into the prequels blind tend to enjoy them. You need that lens of those first three movies to really understand why they don't work, which shows that they aren't necessarily as terrible of movies as people claim since they seem to stand on their own, but they certainly don't mesh as well with the OT as people would like to claim. Obi-Wan kenobi being a senile lying asshole only covers a few of the inconsistencies.

I wont deny that is a big problem. But you are forgetting IG-88.

Also most of the OT trilogy takes place on backwater planets. Tatooine, a literal wasteland, when we see it in TPM the only droids we saw were pit droids and maybe some other randoms (also remember as controversial as it was, Lucas added some droids to the foreground of a few scenes in 4's rerelease).

Hoth was another wasteland, and we see an Imperial scout droid there. Dagobah is a swamp wasteland. Now Bespin you might have a point, but then you remember that Lando's friend there was an android I believe, you can see his cranial implants a few times. So that is possibly more advanced than battle droids. Yavin we don't see enough off to really guage, but it was basically an old forest planet, and Endor was another forest primate planet.

The Death Star itself was the only high tech area which should have had more droids, and it did have the interrogation droid.

Contrast this with the PT which was set in more civilised areas with huge cities, or if they were in a backwater area, it was a droid military base so it made sense for them to be there since there was also a war going on.

It became a cultural landmark. I'm sure people in china are tired of their warring kingdoms bullshit too but it will never go away.

No one has mentioned Daikatana? The answer is Daikatana. Totally hyped up on a history of successful games, bombs massively

IV is in nearly every regard a better movie than VII, it just didn't have the luxury of a $200m budget and a massive production team assisted by modern filmmaking techniques. Episode VII is very slick and well made, that doesn't mean that it's a great film, just well executed.

Who is this and why should I care?

>You need that lens of those first three movies to really understand why they don't work, which shows that they aren't necessarily as terrible of movies as people claim since they seem to stand on their own,

Well this is definitely true.

The PT is only bad if you are wanting it to be more OT. By itself they are fun films too.

I honestly don't even mind the tonal difference between the PT and OT myself either. I acknowledge OT is better but not by far, and only because of Empire really.

Ironically enough, the ST seems to be trying to be OT 2.0 and it's fucking trash. A literal rehash in every single way. I think it's the only Star Wars films I watched where I didn't see any new cool vehicles or weapons, even the enemies where only minor fucking reskins of Stormtroopers. For fucks sakes the Clone Troopers went through more chances int he 3 years between 2 and 3, than the Stormtroopers did between 6 and 7, and that was 20 fucking years.

woah, i tip my hat to you good sir, you are such a unique snowflake.

The prequels had some great ideas which were realised in Clone wars and Republic Commando
George lucas was the worst thing to happen to them.

Lucas was writing the script as the movie was being filmed, he only had a collection of set pieces, Coruscant chase, bug Colosseum, Clone battle, etc... There's a good book out "How Star Wars Conquered the Universe" that goes into detail about what was going on at Lucasfilm for each film. Episode II was a complete disaster behind the scenes because Lucas was at peak arrogance. Btw Count Dooku's name is literally derived from "doodoo" because he was tired of fans taking sith so seriously.

this post is garbage

E1 had shitty acting done by young Anakin. To the point I got the feeling I was watching a kids movie.
Also Jar Jar Binks with his fucking annoying voice. Luckily they toned down the amount of dialogue he had in 2 and 3.
The Pod Racing part was just a filler. It didn't advance the story at all.
E2 had similar issues.

mmm yes i love those walk and talk sections along with all the political scenes. Afterall writing, dialogue, acting and deep philosophical plots were always the strenghts of Lucas and Star Wars.

Not as garbage as your taste.

Is Lucas insane?

He knew there needed to balance with the force. There were just too many jedi compared to sith.

George Lucas will forever be an angry child because the most successful Star Wars film (Episode V) is the one he had the least creative influence on.

you also watched the force awakens Plinkett review, did you OP?

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In Disney's defense doing a soft reboot of Star Wars makes perfect business sense and was easily the smartest thing for them to do. Now if they keep doing this shit and reboot ESB and RotJ then people are going to start revolting really damn quick. But if they are smart then we stand a good chance of having some pretty good new additions to Star Wars. But it's a little early to judge the whole thing based off of TFA which was a calculated reboot.

Anymore Lucas classics. I don't know whether to consider the man an autistic manchild, or a extremely smart businessmen who fooled the world into thinking he's an artist and became a self made billionaire and Jewed hollywood out of toy rights and fucked them over big time.

Probably a bit of both.

The prequels were at least original and though not executed as well as the OT, their source material gave birth to some incredibly good stuff.

Well from what we know, Ep 8 is going to be a soft remake/reboot of Empire anyways, going off what some of the actors have stated about it recently.

>LE PREQUELS ARE BAD XDDDD

Reddit needs to fucking go and stay go. Prequels arent great, yeah, but they're miles better than the uninspired trash that TFA was.

>Ep 8 is going to be a soft remake/reboot of Empire anyways

Great, that's what made episode 7 shit.

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The problem with Lucas is that he only had a little to do with what made Star Wars good in the first place. He had a good idea for the visual style and special effects, but the script for A New Hope was constantly changed depending on what was feasible, actors would rewrite their characters on the fly against his advice, and the movie was edited in a way he didn't like that, combined with the score, saved the whole thing. Then he had almost nothing to do with Empire, which is widely agreed to be the best one, and when he took back the reigns for Jedi it was considered a weaker entry.

So then the PT comes around and he has full creative control, because of course he would, "he created Star Wars", and the backlash was massive. How could he not have a complex about it? A lot of the crazier decisions were probably made out of spite.

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Those articles always bring up the same reasons on why the prequels weren't as bad as everyone says. My favorite one that's always used is always

>Better and more Lightsaber fights

I will never get why this is a good reason, The prequels overuse them to such excess that I got sick of them by the second film.

Every character has them and take them out at every opportunity that they lose the magic and make every character who uses them invincible unless they're up against another lightsaber wielder/Sith.

The OT barely used them because the special effects were expensive, The limitations made them special. They were used for story purposes and not because they wanted an over-choreographed duel in a bad CGI environment.

The Prequels ruined the lightsabers, like they ruined the force with midichlorians.

i actually want you to kill yourself

I agree bro, I hated the prequels until everyone else hated them. Isn't being contrarian fun?

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The group who might genuinely be one of the first (if not the first) and certainly most popular early creators of "overly long and possibly nitpicky reviews that also have how I would have done it sections"

Is Lucas the Ken Levine of cinema?

LITERALLY BIRTH BY SLEEP.

Terra was pretty much Anakin minus being the Chosen one (or technically yes since all Keyblade wielders are chosen).

I think Lucas is probably a nice, decent guy, but he's out of touch, can't take criticism, and definitely doesn't understand his creations or the people that enjoy them. Mildly autistic at worst, he's a benevolent billionaire, but it would be nice if he would just calm the fuck down.

Lucas is sort of a genius when it comes to running businesses. This is the man that created not only LucasFilm, but ILM, had a role to play in creating Pixar, had a big role in creating non-linear editing, and knows how to market and make money off of his properties. He's like the Steve Jobs of movies, he doesn't make the best stuff, but everyone wants it and he knows how to make it seem incredible.

Anakin wouldn't end up as Darth Vader if they cut some slack on him as a kid instead of having him oppressing his feelingsm they could've taught him how to moderate his feelings to not go to the extreme

The lore and expanded material the prequels created is amazing. The films themselves are just as terrible as they always were. It's like a rape-baby that grows up to cure cancer.

>had a big role in creating non-linear editing

Can you tell me a bit more about this one please?

Lucas was a rich white kid from California, so of course he was good at business.

And like other people from similar backgrounds, he likes to pretend he's an artist and is just good enough at pretending to convince idiots.

>The films are mainly advertisements for the universe
That's Lucas's goal but not the fan's experience.

The extended universe is great but that's not what captured the imaginations of the people who watched the OT. The trilogy's success was won on the merits of its iconic visual design and soundtrack as a backdrop for a familiar, archetypal story with memorable, likable characters.

Now consider the prequels. They struggle in every one of those areas.

The exact quote was much more benign. It was just Oscar Issac making a comparison saying that Episode VIII is going to be as different from Episide VII as Episode V was from IV. There was no implicit meaning about saying "well it's going to be a lot like ESB".

The real problem comes when you read about the rough draft for Episode I and realise how perfect it is.

Ay fucking this. Perfect explanation of the prequels.

I will always appreciate their existence just because of all the fuckawesome lore, and war porn and good vidya and books we got out of them.

Films aren't half bad when you rewatch them from the perspective of a game intro just to see some cool CGI battles either.

>he likes to pretend he's an artist
If he knew he was just pretending, why make the prequels so divisive for his "vision" or whatever? Or did he just know they'd be successful anyway and decided to fuck with people?

Here's the thing about Lucas. He loves Starwars a lot, and he believes in it. He is also unfortunately not competent enough to produce greatness unaided and his pass successes have made him a little crazy.

A great example is the Clone Wars film and Ahsoka. The film was shit and everybody hated Ahsoka at first.
But Lucas believes in the project and has vision so he hands over the TV show to more competent people and personally talks to the VA to tell her not to quit because her character will be beloved given time.
And now look show was top rated and the character is getting a book.

The prequels also have fantastic soundtrack and visual design though.

>he doesn't like Duel of the Fates

Steve Jobs didn't make anything though. He got rich by stealing someone else's invention.

He and his film team created the edit-droid, a film-based non linear editor that was one of the first in the business. Lucas was an editor in college and that was one of his early passions so he was pretty invested in trying to make the editing systems of the time less shit. However edit-droid ended up being kind of a technological cul-du-sac because it was analog, shortly thereafter digital editing systems began to come into the market.

I always saw Lucas as kind of a moron who got lucky. The original trilogy cleaned up financially, and was critically well-regarded, and he took the credit for it. So for the prequels, he was in a position where whatever stupid shit he said just got greenlit. "Yeah, it's about an intergalactic trade embargo, the lead character's a kid, and we'll greenscreen every single scene in the entire movie" YES GEORGE WONDERFUL IDEA GEORGE!

So? That doesn't make them good movies.
In fact plinkett mentions apologists like you specifically.