Dragon Ball FighterZ

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

Can we briefly talk about the Shin Kikoho and the ridiculous self damage it does to Tenshinhan? Seriously guys, am I the only one who thinks that 66% of your opponents health, at the prize of 80% of your own unrecoverable health, is way beyond reasonable?

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Kevin Sullivan
Kevin Sullivan

Doesn't it cost seven bars as well?

Jordan Cooper
Jordan Cooper

With great power comes great sacrifice. It is the warrior's way.

Nathan Reed
Nathan Reed

If you need a character dead and can switch to him from another super you might as well go for it if you already have a life/character advantage. Being able to kill a character you know is a crutch is pretty useful.

Robert Gomez
Robert Gomez

i still haven't played the game, but back at BT3 days, everytime someone used kid buu, shin kikoho helped me clean the field, it was unblockable too, idk about this one

Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

I don't see why anyone is complaining about this. It already does more than the typical lvl 3. The extra blasts should only ever be used to close out a game.

Wyatt Wright
Wyatt Wright

Completely worth it when used against Cell

Joseph Roberts
Joseph Roberts

I just exclusively use it (+4 meter version) to finish off my opponents, and it saves my ass plenty of times.

Blake Clark
Blake Clark

Its 3 bars but you can keep pressing the button to add more hits which cost a bar

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

But it's one of the best lv. 3s in the game. The scaling is much better than most other supers. In most situations i'll just throw it out at the end of a basic combo and i'll only need one or two blasts to turn it into a finisher.

Joshua Peterson
Joshua Peterson

you use it to win the match
doesn't matter if tien is down to 1 HP when the opponent is completely dead

Dominic Rodriguez
Dominic Rodriguez

It is literally the best punish super in the game. Of course its fair in its compromise.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

I just don't like that pretty much all of his supers kill him slowly.

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

How the fuck am I supposed to stop people from autocomboing me on fucking wake-up in this game? What were they thinking?

John Green
John Green

blaming the game for being bad

Gavin Thompson
Gavin Thompson

That might seem dumb, stupid or simplistic but really .... just block, there's bnothing else to do on wake up in this game

Kayden Kelly
Kayden Kelly

Don't fucking mash

Isaiah Evans
Isaiah Evans

Block, Repel, use the single-char tag-in if you're down to your last character. Use an EX with invul on wake-up.

It's an offensive game though. If you're spending all your time knocked down and blocking you're already fucking up at a level such that what your opponent is doing shouldn't even be a concern before your own fuck-ups.

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

They hurt him but at the same time they do incredible damage raw and they're pretty good still if you can combo into them. Some level 3s like candy beam and nappas mouth blast can go from pretty good to really shitty because of scaling

Henry Cruz
Henry Cruz

The self damage is not that bad if you just use 3 bars. You shouldn't be using more than that unless you can close out the game with it, or at the very least get a kill.

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

Block.
Wait for that like -12 auto-combo special normal.
Punish

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

Underrated

Cameron Wright
Cameron Wright

Nigga just block

Ryder Morgan
Ryder Morgan

On whose wakeup? Yours or theirs? Learn the difference between soft and hard knockdown. soft means you can tech form the ground or delay wakeup.

The only way to escape a meaty after hard knockdown on the very first frame is with invincible DP. You can try wakeup reflect if you suspect the opponent will do a meaty late.

Jose Williams
Jose Williams

DP? This is no street fighter

Brandon Bailey
Brandon Bailey

stop pressing buttons

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

Whateva nigga. I'm talking about the colloquial term for invincible uppercuts not the actual DP motion.

Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

Both Gohans and SS Vegeta have invincible reversals that mimic DPs, brainlet.

Carson Bell
Carson Bell

This 100%. There are zero moves with invul frames lads, you heard it here first.

Bentley Morgan
Bentley Morgan

You are the brainlet here. Only brainlets play gohan and ss vegeta

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

no u
this baseless assumption that I use either of these characters
You only prove me right, brainlet.

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

No, its not. It still has DPs, you stupid asshole.

Benjamin Long
Benjamin Long

Damn bro, you wrecked him. I guess you were right about DPs after all.

Kevin Thompson
Kevin Thompson

Don't press buttons when you're blocking. Wait till his string ends and then hit

Thomas King
Thomas King

Man I'm still looking forward to playing Fighter Z at some point but I can't get myself to sit down and learn the game right now. The roster isn't small but it's full of characters I'm not really trying to play.
So then I'm left with the five or six characters I'd like to play but then both Vegetas are off the table cause OU, Teen Gohan is just a worst Ultimate Gohan why bother (note: I would bother if he was mid-high and U. Gohan was like top tier but that doesn't seem the case) so fuck Ultimate out of spite, Black is OU as fuck which kills me cause I was rooting for him from Day One to get in, Cell is OU, and obviously I'm not gonna be the 'maining Naruto in Naruto' guy who slaps a yellow or blue Goku on his team. So then I'm left with Trunks, forcing Black cause he's too sick, and adding either Android 18, Android 21, or Frieza I guess since he's pretty tight.

I'd rather just wait for the DLC to flesh out the roster and shuffle the OU deck. I don't wanna play nothing but Black, Vegeta, Cell/Kid Buu teams all day once I get good.

Oliver Lee
Oliver Lee

It's just a gimmick thing anyway

I use Tien as my mid and he's pretty much the lynchpin of my team and I almost never even use that super

Lv 1 does decent damage as a combo ender (with more reasonable life loss), chiaotzu suicide scales amazingly well for when you really need a kill, and his real strength is in his oki anyway, who needs supers when you can end anything in meterless hkd and have every single oki tool you could want

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

Bullshit I have people jump on me all the time on wakeup and there's nothing I can do except read the jump and attack them in the air and do nothing cause they block.

Cameron Walker
Cameron Walker

You should just start trying characters you don't even give a fuck about. You never know, you might like how they play.

Austin Johnson
Austin Johnson

Doing story mode hard
everything 15 levels my main character then 20+ on the rest
How do I level in story?

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

The fuck is this post? Stop being a tier whore and play who you want.

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

I know, right. Jeez. I can understand not wanting to play characters that are used all the time for variety's sake, but come on.

Robert Ortiz
Robert Ortiz

denuvo

Shit game, call me when it's actually playable.

Austin Morgan
Austin Morgan

vanish is +on block
most supers are unpunishable without spending meter
no real defensive options
game rewards you for playing like complete noob
anti-airs don't work on anything other than chase, and even then it doesn't work on small characters
throw mechanic is pure garbage, way too specific in the air and way too generous on the ground
tap a button or go from holding back to up back for a millisecond during a block string and you're completely vulnerable for no reason
buffers drop randomly for no apparent reason

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

it should definitely be recoverable health. if fucking 16's SELF DESTRUCT is blue health then shin kikoho should be fucking recoverable. You're already pumping meter into the shit, fuck off arcsys

Carter Bennett
Carter Bennett

complains about vanish being + on block
complains about no defensive options

Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

is this pasta

this is pasta

Nathan Edwards
Nathan Edwards

Neo tribeam is easily comboed into or done on reaction. 16's self-destruct is not.

Adrian Price
Adrian Price

spend one bar
get in for free and get out of the corner

Also it doesn't work on wakeup so it's not a defensive option

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

Say that to my face

Bentley Morales
Bentley Morales

so what, tri beam is not a literal instant kill either, level 1 tribeam also does unrecoverable damage to you

Dylan Wilson
Dylan Wilson

attack or jump during a blockstring and you get hit
Even if this is pasta I've seen this complaint far too many times by legitimate shitters.

You do know that you don't have to use the extra bars right? Farewell Tien does more damage than Shin Kikoho in almost all cases.

Easton Powell
Easton Powell

first shot does self damage, farewell tien can only be used once. "don't use it" is not a response to this move is shitty for no reason

Thomas Watson
Thomas Watson

I'm pretty sure U.Gohan is up there. He's fucking strong with some sweet mobility and mix-ups.

Owen Martinez
Owen Martinez

I shouldn't be completely vulnerable just for tapping something while in hitstun.

Ethan Evans
Ethan Evans

it doesn't instantly shift the momentum of the match in my favor for free so it's not a defensive option
KEK

Isaiah Morales
Isaiah Morales

Gohan
mix-ups

Like what? Random qcb teleport?

Jaxson Bailey
Jaxson Bailey


tap a button or go from holding back to up back for a millisecond during a block string and you're completely vulnerable for no reason

So I'm not the only one.

Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

That works sometimes, but his retreat ki-blast is good, his fast fall is good, and when you unleash potential he gets pretty fucking wild.

That's what I use, anyway.

Xavier Murphy
Xavier Murphy

Here's what you can do after a hard knockdown and your opponent pressures you:

Block
Level 3

That's it. Anything else and you're going to get hit

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

I know you're shitposting for (You)s but some braindead retards actually think like this.

David White
David White

So explain where I'm wrong.

Robert Jones
Robert Jones

Upback tech, you fucking scrub.

Austin Diaz
Austin Diaz

attack or jump during a blockstring and you get hit
I'm definitely a shitter, but how do I stop this then? I wait all day for blockstrings to end, and when they do, if I jump or throw a punch, I get punished.

I guess it has to do with plus/minus on block?

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

the part about throws is the only thing in this post I would tweak in the game

jump j.2S standing low, true blockstrings into fuzzy overhead, fucking minute-long true blockstrings with high-low mixups, ridiculous normal hitboxes for frame trapping... he needs assists to properly mix you up but he's definitely the scariest charater to be against in the corner if he has them

Evan Powell
Evan Powell

reflect
alpha counter tag-in
DP with a character that has it
Not only are you wrong but it wouldn't be a bad thing if you weren't. Retards need to learn to block and stop smashing their protruding foreheads on their controller all the time like a fucking spastic.

Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

the first two you can't do. most characters don't have a DP

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

16's self destruct is a meme super with a million years startup that won't ever hit anyone who isn't retarded. Shin Kikoho can be combo'd into, and is really good for closing out a game if you've got the health and meter for it. Tien would be fucking broken with sparking if it left him with blue health.

Justin Peterson
Justin Peterson

I've seen a blockstring too where you can use qcbH to keep the opponent locked down as long as you have bars.

He's my favorite for sure.

Landon James
Landon James

IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN BOYS

youtube.com/watch?v=kPKW8Q1L8N4

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

why can't you do the first two?

Cooper Perez
Cooper Perez

And then, guess what, they will chase you. And if you block that, then we loop again.

Benjamin Perry
Benjamin Perry

Reflect is active frame 1, you mongoloid.
The alpha counter tag-in can be done on frame 1 of blockstun, meaning it can get you out of meaty pressure if they don't read it.
Confirmed for subzero IQ.

Liam Walker
Liam Walker

50ft ethernet cable just got here

Finally, I'm ready for ranked.

[Spoiler]People are just gonna pull theirs on me anyway.

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

the galaxy brain tech is to intentionally take hit in the corner after uptech, many safe jump setups can't convert off it and you get away with only 500 or so lost HP

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

Not that guy, but what you're telling me is that reflect is pretty reliable to get out of pressure?

Easton Parker
Easton Parker

If you know they're going to meaty you can just mash it so it comes out frame 1 but if they know you're going to be mashing reflect you'll get punished for it.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

Reflect is reliable if you know a hit is coming and you're not in block stun, yes. Obviously it can be baited with throw and delayed buttons.
It's kind of wonky against the first hits of block strings if they have forward moving normals like Cell 5LL and 2M, but you should really only try to reflect bigger moves that are used as frame traps and stuff like 6M or specials

Camden Roberts
Camden Roberts

And for smaller moves just block or vanish?

Sorry, dudes. Trying to learn the defensive game here cause mine is shit.

Austin Young
Austin Young

Randomly join a 6 man team ring match where everyone controls one character
Green Trunks is absolutely slaughtering a team with two Friezas
Friezas keep tagging each other in since neither of them wants to face him while he refuses to tag out
Everyone spams "!!!" when Green Trunks finally goes down
Pink Yamcha on Trunk's team is absolutely useless and goes down to one of the Friezas in under 10 seconds
Frieza team wins the match by overheading Cell three times in a row

This mode is actually pretty fun. It's kind of a "party mode" sure but still entertaining. How come Cred Forums doesn't talk about it much?

Zachary Martinez
Zachary Martinez

You're right about Cell and moves like that, though. I reflected a Goku black combo and I had to reflect 3 times because his moves just lunged him forward and closed the gap. Crazy.

Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

How come Cred Forums doesn't talk about it much?
Because it's a party mode.

Hudson Mitchell
Hudson Mitchell

I love that mode, user. It gets so fucking hype, especially when it's you and 2 pals on one team.

Parker Sanders
Parker Sanders

The only time I tried it the lag was out of this world, said 19F but it was clearly much higher and got worse and worse as the match went on, it took us literally 20 minutes to get through a single match

I haven't dared even try it again since then because apparently all six people need perfect internet for it to work

Nathan Price
Nathan Price

Blocking is the most reliable, I think vanish has something like 3-4F startup before it becomes invu so it needs bigger gaps in pressure to get away

Leo James
Leo James

Stop blocking
get hit
Wow fucking mind blowing stuff here you absolute morons.

Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

I only got to play it once and really enjoyed it, unfortunately I get "no rooms found" in 4/5 ring matches

Nolan Torres
Nolan Torres

I wish you could play it locally or even have one team play one one computer/console

Jace Reed
Jace Reed

There's some happening in one of the US east coast lobbies right by the entrance. I left so there might be some spots open

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

Thanks, man. I'll keep that in mind.

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

That sucks. Really, the only things that are stopping party mode from being considered competitive is that you can't do it offline and that the same characters are allowed in a team.

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

late to the party, but how balanced is this game compared to other 2D fighters.

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

The amount of mental gymnastics newbies do to save face in DBFZ is amazing. I had an acquaintance explain to me why he's too smart for fighting games on discord for 30 minutes. He dragon rushed into 2H at least 5 times each game and I tried to tell him to just dash or cover with an assist with no avail.

Julian Morris
Julian Morris

It's terribly balanced, but ArcSoys will tell you it's balanced. It's not BBCT levels of literal 10:0 matches, but it's probably BBCS1.

Jack Flores
Jack Flores

It's extra embarrassing to lose in a game specifically made to be accessible to newbies. Instead of thinking "Wow, I'm shit even at an easy game" the cognitive dissonance kicks in and instead they think "Man, I must be too SMART for this game!" instead.

Hunter Jones
Hunter Jones

I bet you're a fucking block spammer pussy!

Easton White
Easton White

Everyone saying you can DP and reflect on wakeup is lying.

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

git gud

Camden Nguyen
Camden Nguyen

if you're going to shill at least tell the truth

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

you even have a 3-frame buffer to do it, just because you're too bad to time it properly doesn't mean it's not a thing

Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

That's how you can stop meaties on wakeup, yes. If they bait those out that is a different story and not what
was talking about

Evan Price
Evan Price

mash dp
get hit as if you did nothing

wew

Jordan Wilson
Jordan Wilson

maybe you're doing L version, only M and H DPs have invu
if not you're just timing it wrong

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

or maybe it doesn't work

Jace Torres
Jace Torres

I wonder what Mike thinks of DBFZ...
Man, I've been really depressed since he left the scene. I don't think it's related though, but it started around the same time.

I miss him.

Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

Tier fags
Just enjoy the fucking game and play with who you want. I'm having a blast wrecking people with Yamcha.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

caring about niggers

Liam Lee
Liam Lee

Vanish lets you in for free. You're not fucking up, the game enables anyone to get in at will.

Jackson Foster
Jackson Foster

Every character is viable but there's definitely characters that outclass others in terms of just having all the tools. 16, Cell, Hit, & Black all cover most options and assists let them handle the rest. 18, Adult Gohan, SS Goku, Kid Buu, Trunks, and some others are high tier also and you can definitely do well with Tien, 21, SS Vegeta, Beerus, Fat Buu, Nappa, etc.

I'm noticing that a lot of the best characters in the game have really good reach (Cell's long limbs, 16 being big and having his Rocket Punch/Shoulder charge, Hit having halfscreen advancing normals, Black's H normals, Kid Buu's Ms, Trunks's Hs and Ss, A. Gohan's 5S) and some of the weakest have short range (Krillin & Teen Gohan's stubby as fuck normals). Of course this isn't a hard and fast rule but it's a theme.

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

Wow I got mad replies. Basically fighting games are just a lot of time and dedication and right now I can't find the drive to put in all the lab hours just to play a bunch of the same matchups. It's not that I'm concerned about tiers maybe I misworded my last post I don't care how good anyone is (with the exception of Teen Gohan cause I wanted him to be not shit not even God tier just good). I just don't want to play overused characters cause I made the mistake of maining Cammy and then when she got super good and I smashed all my friends they all bitched incessantly about her being 'too good'. And regardless of what people will say about fuck their noise do what I want eventually the game becomes stagnant when you're just running games and getting shit on by your "friends". You pick up someone else cause the game isn't rewarding anymore. That's what bums me out, a lot of the guys I would like to play would be that. Or at least I've gathered that pursuing the threads here.

Matthew Reyes
Matthew Reyes

DBZF threads all the time
no cool webms
What a fucking waste

Oliver Murphy
Oliver Murphy

Or maybe you are retarded. If this is a netcode issue then there's no way i'm defending that because fuck delay and fuck ArcShills for >durr it's fine for me lol

However, if it's just you making an input error then just practice more in training mode. You get knocked down and the buttons you press are masked by the CPU until the first frame after your character physical gets up off the ground. Since there is an input buffer you can start the 236 motion before you finish the getup animation.

This is literally how computers work. Look up "maskable interrupts" on Google if you don't believe me.

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

6 man team match
weak team with amazing A.Gohan vs strong all around team
weaklings have to hold out against strong team long enough while conserving meter to feed A.Gohan enough for his lvl 4 install
A.Gohan uses it along with sparking and wins the match

It's like it was a real episode of DBZ. You guys are missing out if you don't play this mode.

Lucas Lewis
Lucas Lewis

You can do reflect to beat meaties on wakeup.

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

reflect.

Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

I'll play it when Broly comes out. I don't know if I'm 100% confident in any of my mains solo, but with the super armor monster Broly will likely be I will be in my comfort zone; I'm at my best when I can read bad buttons in neutral with huge armored options. 16 is only part of the way there.

Luke Davis
Luke Davis

1. It's not free
2. You can 2H it on reaction if you're looking for it, you have something like over 30 frames to do it (unless they cancel from a special that gives a true blockstring, not all chars even have this)
3. If they don't block it, you just threw them back to full screen, lost 1 meter and killed your meter gain for a while for minimal damage
4. Even if they make you block it you have plenty of options to make it into an RPS situation, backdash gets you out safely against 99% of the players (except against Cell)
It's better for escaping pressure than getting in
t b h

Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

It's good in late-game situations where one bad move can lead to a Vanish punish that ends that character. Assists can also make it a safe approach on block for all characters, and in some situations assists can let you convert off of a raw vanish (Ginyu for example has a few setups like this).

I think Vanish is actually pretty balanced.

Jeremiah Kelly
Jeremiah Kelly

Oh ok i thought it was 2 frames of startup but it is actually one. Good to know, thanks.

Jace Cox
Jace Cox

Vanish is the one with 2f of startup.

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

I agree, I think people just blow it's strength out of proportions because it works so well against people who don't know how to deal with it (kind of like the post I replied to)

Charles Martin
Charles Martin

So how consistently are you guys finding matches? When I go to the "casual/ranked" section I end up waiting for like 20 minutes with no results. I have to go looking for those little circle arenas in the lobby to challenge people directly. Is it because I'm too new and they can't find any other new players?

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

Speaking of which; what are y'all running - I'm using Tien/A16/Virginia myself; im still swapping sometimes between point chars but I quite like Tien's normals and tools.

Asher Turner
Asher Turner

holy kek

Hudson Allen
Hudson Allen

Most of the casuals dropped the game already. It's probably gonna be like other Arcsys games so you'll have to either do ring matches or join a Discord and find people to play with from there.

Juan Flores
Juan Flores

its just okay, not amazing but not terrible either.

Gabriel Brown
Gabriel Brown

On ps4 im getting constant strings of matches. I thought as soon as i hit pink they would slow down but it's been really consistent even with having a 3 bar minimum and only high completion

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

mfw im going to be 3v1 teams ad broly

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

Its OP as fuck finisher.
You can end matches faster than anyone if you fully commit when you know your opponent will die from it.

Jaxon Garcia
Jaxon Garcia

I play Hit/16/Tien myself. I think the synergy is really strong there. I like Tien a lot and 16 is a big body grappler with armor which I use in every fighter, but I feel like Hit is there because:
1. He works together with 16 really well
2. He's chock full of tech which as a lab monster I really love finding

I fear that once I start really playing online (I've mostly played Local Vs or Training) Hit will be a weak link unless my execution of his neutral, blockstrings, and combos are immaculate. I will get thrown off if I go for a combo or blockstring or mixup that I've practiced and fuck it up too, and that'll happen less often with 16 & Tien because they're not as technical as Hit.

Stuff like Hit's 214S being special cancellable is being slept on but I don't think I have the execution to UTILIZE it, even if I like him a lot because he's really fun to mess around with. I'm hoping Broly and/or Bardock work well with 16 & Tien right now. Although I'll probably play both regardless even if I stick with Hit.

Cameron Gomez
Cameron Gomez

game enables scrubs and noobs at every pass and turn

Fuck I hate this industry and what blizzard did to it

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

t: yellow square

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

Do you stay at 1 hp or you can kill yourself?

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

shin kihoho
Tenshinhan
kys yourself

Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

Tien is the MVP in that entire fight. Every other fighter has to learn how to be defeated / defeat Cell while Tien just fucks Cell's shit up and stalls until the heroes get their act together and eventually get the job done. That three eyed cowboy always knows when to make an assist.

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

In order:
Teen Gohan
Android 21
Trunks

It's not the most practical team, but like Teen Gohan too much as a character and Android 21 has a dive attack that brings down enemies for everyone's lvl 3's/supers.

Jaxon Russell
Jaxon Russell

anchor Broly reverse OCV with Pantera playing in the background

Damn it feels good to be a PC player

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

the fuck is block spamming supposed to be?

Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

I want to believe. Where does Vegita + Bardock play into this scenario?

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

try orange

and you should stop shilling

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

he can't even get a pink square in a game that enables casuals and noobs at every pass and turn

Joshua Price
Joshua Price

waaaah waaaah no defensive options I can't do anything against meaties

Dominic Gutierrez
Dominic Gutierrez

I want to be green square
less people will dodge me

Landon Baker
Landon Baker

It's what Xenobabbies were saying 1st week into the game when they were upset other people weren't "letting them play" by blocking too much.

Gabriel Sanders
Gabriel Sanders

Because scrubs and noobs can just mash buttons and get in and do damage.

Jack Young
Jack Young

This game has exposed anime players as nuetralless shitters. No gimmicks can save you with the scaling in the game.

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

I wish i could stop being a pink square.
It takes for ever to get matches because I keep getting dodged

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

Why don't you beat them with superior neutral, reflecting, antiairing, defense and good combos / mixups then

Hunter Perez
Hunter Perez

Aren't most of the top players right now almost entirely anime players? How is it exposing them if they're all the ones at the top?

Mason Evans
Mason Evans

he thinks there's neutral in this game

Because the game doesn't let you. Every time you do what you're supposed to do the game rewards the bad play instead.

Benjamin Jones
Benjamin Jones

The top players are NRS and Capcom players. Chris G and SonicFox are undefeated. Sonic is so far above the anime scene he rarely loses a round even when he spams autocombo for Shenron memes.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

Or maybe you're the one with the bad play if you can't even beat auto-combo spammers.

Nicholas Green
Nicholas Green

Haha w..white square for life!

Zachary Barnes
Zachary Barnes

You sound like 's friend

Thomas Sanders
Thomas Sanders

No, it's designed to reward shitty play.

Evan Long
Evan Long

Im a dark blue square is that good?

Aaron Evans
Aaron Evans

the game is without flaw and every problem is actually the players

Josiah Morgan
Josiah Morgan

How?

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

Putting it in green text doesnt make that statement wrong

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

Yes. It means you're the best. You should be playing top players.

James Carter
James Carter

rank up to Supreme Kai
first match after is against a Frieza Clan rank

poor guy

Jack Ross
Jack Ross

dumb wojak poster

Kayden Long
Kayden Long

I always use Saiyan rank despite being orange

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

I could be here all night explaining it...

screen is literally full of projectiles taking reactions out of the equasion
jumping leaves you vulnerable for 4 frames meaning throws will always work because it's too risky to counter throws
dashing leaves you completely vulnerable
vanish is plus on block meaning you can continue to mash after making an incorrect guess
mashing auto-corrects
level 3s are instant and invulnerable meaning doing them at random is a good idea, and they're nearly impossible to punish

Nolan Cook
Nolan Cook

Dumb Arcsys shill

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

Motherfucker, you write in such a confusing manner.

David Campbell
David Campbell

You can block most level 3s and still have time to dragon rush in how is that unpunishable?

Grayson Wood
Grayson Wood

The best players right now in regards to results are SonicFox & Tatsunical who have been winning weeklies all over; Chris G has beaten Tatsunical so he can be mentioned as well. None of them come from anime games although they've played them and SF/Chris G have played hyper tag fighters before.

No footsies like in a slower game =/= no neutral. There's plenty of neutral in this game, mostly in the form of finding safe approaches using assists, feeling each other out with beams or ki blasts, throwing out certain long-range normals (depending on the character) to catch things, etc. The game gives ample resets to neutral between character deaths, Reflects, defensive Vanishes, etc. while also making sure most characters have strong pressure games to offset this. Some characters excel in neutral but not pressure or vice versa (18 isn't God Tier because she has poor neutral but is High Tier because her pressure is insane; if you're correct then 18 would be way more popular since not having neutral wouldn't matter).

Autocombos scale very poorly and are always the same string, so even if they have a built-in mixup like Trunks or Beerus or Bluku they are easy to punish by the 2nd or 3rd time used in a match; you can even jab the overhead in Bluku's string if you block the low.

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

screen is literally full of projectiles taking reactions out of the equasion
welcome to tag fighters, slowpoke
jumping leaves you vulnerable for 4 frames meaning throws will always work because it's too risky to counter throws
dragon rush takes a million years to come out, your fault if you can't react and tech it
dashing leaves you completely vulnerable
and?
mashing auto-corrects
which are necessary in some advanced combos to put you at the proper height for things
level 3s are instant and invulnerable meaning doing them at random is a good idea, and they're nearly impossible to punish
you got caught pressing buttons. also they do 100% blue damage so unless you're using it to kill someone throwing out a random level 3 is a waste and reeks of desperation

Colton Sullivan
Colton Sullivan

The best players right now in regards to results are SonicFox & Tatsunical who have been winning weeklies all over;

Do you happen to know where I can watch those weeklies?

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

The only thing i find bullshit about this game is it seems unfriendly to new players.

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

other tag fighters aren't completely full of projectiles. You can see what's going on. dragon rush isn't that slow. Dashing shouldn't be as vulnerable as it is since all characters have the walk speed of a slug. It rewards mashers. Again. Instead of players who want to improve their position or corner their opponent.

Auto-correcting mashing isn't necessary. Idiot.

Level 3s shouldn't catch a jab from full screen. This all rewards shitty play and thanks for proving my point.

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

NLBC for SonicFox

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

screen is literally full of projectiles taking reactions out of the equasion
It's hardly anything difficult to follow, since the best projectiles are straight lines along the ground and most smaller ki blasts are easy to avoid, block, or get rid of. Only characters like Frieza and Ginyu have strong zoning games.
jumping leaves you vulnerable for 4 frames meaning throws will always work because it's too risky to counter throws
The long-ass startup with the blue ring and distinct rushing animation gives you time to literally just press L to tech it unless it completely takes you off guard which means you got read.
dashing leaves you completely vulnerable
Invincible backdashes need only exist in games where unblockable meaties exist, like SFIV. Forward dashing leaves you vulnerable in every fucking fighting game. Super Dashing SHOULD be vulnerable because it gets you in so fast and easily.
vanish is plus on block meaning you can continue to mash after making an incorrect guess
It's also wildly easy to react to, and since it costs a bar it's basically a universal EX, and EX moves are often safe.
mashing auto-corrects
Makes no difference above a basic level of play in neutral, in advanced combo strings using j.LL is very useful to position specific combos, giving them a legitimate use that isn't scrubby (since it's just LL instead of an LM)
level 3s are instant and invulnerable meaning doing them at random is a good idea, and they're nearly impossible to punish
They also cost 3 bars, can't be comboed after, and can be baited. It's not a constant option, nor is it a safe one.

NLBC highlights on TeamWpooky for SonicFox (he also won a TSB on Day 2; TSB is an NYC anime game weekly). Tatsunical has won a weekly whose name I can't remember other than Dropkick [something]; watch his sets with BreakerDave. He also won a recent Wednesday Night Fights.

Jackson Price
Jackson Price

My secret is that I shouldn't be highposting. My b man.

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

try to neutral
HURR VANISH I'M IN HAVE FUN BLOCKINGHIGHLOWS FOR 30 SECONDS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

ty

Jordan Collins
Jordan Collins

leveluplive and teamsp00ky vods from wednesdays.

There was also a tournament with a bunch of known players from this last weekend
twitter.com/dropkickevents/status/965095816992997382
link is in the replies

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

If you're in neutral and the other dude raw vanish you can punish that on reaction with 2H or 4/5L in the freeze frame of vanish

Luke Reyes
Luke Reyes

2H it retard

Dylan Cooper
Dylan Cooper

Give it a rest John. Even a green square will laugh at these.

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

youtube.com/watch?v=muvdYM3Pa_Q

Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

i'm literally looking at a video of tatsu losing to brkrdave who is an anime player. I'm seeing all top 8's outside of sonicfox being comprised mostly of anime players. One player doing well doesn't mean they negate the fact that most of the top players are anime players.

Jason Rogers
Jason Rogers

Vanish raw in neutral
Opponent 2Hs because there's a fucking 30 frame window to react to it; even online it's easy
If they don't 2H they can reflect it, use a reversal if they have one with invuln like the Gohans or Vegeta, Guard Cancel, etc.
If you covered your approach with an assist before the Vanish then guess what, you played well and earned that approach especially since you spent a bar on it when most people can get in just by approaching which BUILDS meter

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

you sound like a salty bitch, lmao

Carter Taylor
Carter Taylor

My neutral is literally just pressing H with 16. People who think they can IAD me for free like it's online Guilty Gear or Blazblue get gassed hard

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

Caring about how much usage a character gets and what their tiers are
Fucking off yourself, Smash scrub

Ethan Lewis
Ethan Lewis

Why do Vegeta players always mash buttons?

John Jenkins
John Jenkins

Picking Broly doesn't turn the game into a 3v1
Missed opportunity

Ian Kelly
Ian Kelly

Literally no one else outside the anime community besides SonicFox is playing DBFZ in tournaments yet on the East. Tatsu, Chris G, and Sonic are the only big players that show up and they're dominating. I know Justin is playing online with a troll team, but he has yet to show up in person. You are basically like those people who are happy GG has a top 8 with Americans when only 3 Japanese showed up.

Alexander Jackson
Alexander Jackson

You can backdash, reflect, or 2h if it's not a true blockstring. Also if you get put into blockstun in this game you already lost neutral, hold that.

Cameron Martinez
Cameron Martinez

They just picked him for his assist and don't know how to actually play him because if you're making them actually use him they're already losing anyway

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

YOU'RE WIDE OPEN

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

He would either be so good that everyone picks him by default or so shit that picking him is like forfeiting out of the gate. You wouldn't be able to balance that

Nicholas Diaz
Nicholas Diaz

not my fault the game only has 1 assist per character and vegeta has by far the best one for saibaman shenanigans :(

Gabriel Harris
Gabriel Harris

Assist Character Syndrome. They pick up the character because of a God-Tier assist so when the 2 characters they can actually play die they're left with this character they barely 2 BnBs for. Same thing happened to a bunch of people in Marvel 3 who played characters like Akuma, Dante, and Doom for assists alone and then sucked with them; there were tons of Zero May Cry teams but the only ZMC player that could use Dante was Cloud805, and he was one of only 3 good Dantes in the meta alongside Yipes & KBrad.

John Collins
John Collins

hurr just 2H his neutral

Right like that works. 2H is garbage against anything but chase. And even then small characters somehow completely avoid your anti-air. Also grab isn't as easy to react to as you guys claim. As usual.

Henry Johnson
Henry Johnson

tfw can't us 21 (good) and (evil) palltes
Why, they do the exact same moves so i don't understand

Daniel Long
Daniel Long

jumping leaves you vulnerable for 4 frames meaning the grab move with 20 frames of startup always works because it's too risky to mash L to tech it once you see its huge glowing telegraph

Joseph Long
Joseph Long

This. Even Chris G refuses to learn Vegeta. Top tier Vegetables strategy is to tag him in as a punching bag and run away to recover blue health on your 2 point characters

Jace Miller
Jace Miller

That's being reserved for Jiren

Liam Russell
Liam Russell

Good lacks the "Turn you into Sweets" Level 3 and just has the Air Level 3 both in the air and on the ground. I guess that's enough for them to prevent that option.

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

I play Vegeta unironically because he's my favorite character, and learning cool stuff with him. I like his ki blast barrage better as a tool while playing him than as an assist, Piccolo's assist is my favorite because you can use it as a time bomb and do wild combo/pressure stuff with it

Justin Wright
Justin Wright

well the blue skinned evil with the cell patches has no excuse then

Christopher Powell
Christopher Powell

isn't as easy to react to as you guys claim. As usual.

Maybe you're just slow in the head

Nathan Ross
Nathan Ross

Yeah I also picked Vegeta on like day two before I ever used assists or knew he was going to be top tier, I'm not trying to say NOBODY can play him, just the vast majority, most of them probably also have some combination of Cell, 16, Black, Hit, and Frieza for the rest of their team too

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

doesnt stop them from talking about smash, you stupid faggot. KILL YOURSELF

Jace Ross
Jace Ross

no air level 3 from the ground
this would make for an amazing wakeup reversal option

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

Given that 16 the number one god tier no make that broken tier character in the game don't even deny it he is true bullshit, all the scrubs crying about Cell and Black don't know shit gets an instakill 100% damage super and still lives with FULL BLUE HEALTH (don't give a fuck how "difficult" it is to land it, he has a ton of easy opportunities), Fucking Tenshinhan should have all Kikoho damage suffered be blue as well.

At the very least, normal Kikoho should leave Blue Health (possibly costing more, making it more tactically sound to use it in a DHC to swap him out immediately and recover), and Shin Kikoho's extra hits after the first should leave Blue Health, while the initial shot of Shin is a permanent loss as a way to reflect the impact and damage scaling.

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

Amen, PC rules for this fucking game

Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

Things I would tweak:
SD tracking is ridiculous sometimes, it shouldn't fucking do a 360
While ground DR is good, I think air DR could use some more range, it can be difficult to catch people who like to upback all day on neutral
Add a few more frames to vanish startup, it feels too good for escaping corner pressure right now
Reduce sparking blue regen while in hitstun or something, it just prolongs the inevitable most of the time and makes it annoying to play the last round
DLC: add more unique / specialist characters, there's not too much variation at the moment if you compare the roster to other Arcsys titles
I think that's it for the most part, I'm happy with the game for the most part, too bad all the FGC guys in my country already went back to GG

Andrew Williams
Andrew Williams

tien is the best tho

Camden Stewart
Camden Stewart

16's final power lands so often, I'm beginning to think I'm fighting sloths.

Chase Garcia
Chase Garcia

Anyone else feel like every characters health should be increased by 50%? Matches feel super short

Eli Baker
Eli Baker

tfw this single move made me realize how much shit chaoz character is nowadays and howshit the entire DB series has become
im a chaoz fag now.

Ryder Butler
Ryder Butler

nigga wat

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

The trick to it is that it has a deceptively large amount of active frames, so if they aren't used to seeing it, it's very easy to go "alright I'm in the air, now to land and punish it", and then land right in it instead

Lucas Evans
Lucas Evans

If they had more hp. Getting a perfect would be even more humiliating.

Connor Howard
Connor Howard

Player hp for all characters is super short. Look at this user's webm one ult takes away 80% of someone's hp.

Chase Hall
Chase Hall

just get your opponent down halfway and throw it out, ez kill.

Ethan Watson
Ethan Watson

Please, do you have the webm where a beaten Frieza fucking wake-up supers an incoming Chiaotzu out of sheer spite before losing? I need it

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

You ever play people that use strong characters and do optimized combos without dropping them? 2 combos per character and the game's over

Makes me wonder if I even want to reach that level of play

William Ward
William Ward

Could've just extended the combo after haikyuken and won right there.

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

why is team volleyball so much fun to lab?
youtube.com/watch?v=q88gBYzDZKU
youtube.com/watch?v=tWlEntf1etQ
youtube.com/watch?v=IT3hmKq67k0

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

Fighting 16 makes me wanna die. Feels like his only downside is having mediocre projectiles, but he can score a knockdown from anywhere and has incredible normals that can just get you from much farther than you'd expect.

Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

Its so dumb that this is true.

How hard is it to be a if statement on the buttons.

Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

He and Cell are the only two characters that I feel confident in predicting are gonna get nerfed

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

BASED

Josiah Long
Josiah Long

I don't want to play this character because they're good!
retard

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

And skilled players know how to swap out safely and defend from forced switches, these games can last a really long time in actuality.

Leo Torres
Leo Torres

I just realized there's literally no point to this discussion until a major happens because that's still true of anime players. A lot of the non-NY best haven't really been out either.

It's kind of pointless we see what a major top 8 looks like.

Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

(don't give a fuck how "difficult" it is to land it, he has a ton of easy opportunities)
You'd have to be retarded to get hit by 16's self destruct super. 16 is ridiculously good, but he only has that super as a reference, it has no practical use whatsoever. It's not at all comparable to Tien's super.

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

You have to remember that blue health management is a big part of the game, matches can already take quite a while if both players are effectively swapping their characters

Cooper Richardson
Cooper Richardson

I just don't like it when the only group of people I like and play with won't play me because my character is good or played a lot nigga.

Angel Sanchez
Angel Sanchez

Raw Level 5 super with Sparking on
Literally all of the damage dealt is blue and thus recoverable by benching that character or popping Sparking
That's a heavily isolated case, user, and also uses a lot of resources. In most cases 80% is very hard to do with one character, and anything over 70% requires a LOT of resources (3 bars + 1 assist + carries to corner early in combo is the absolute minimum I've needed to crack 7500+ and that's with 16 off of 5M into 2 Z Changes).

Colton Scott
Colton Scott

nujak
Look at dis dood.

Nathan Lee
Nathan Lee

Every fighting game is unfriendly to new players. Every single one. Veterans will already know the tricks of the trade regardless of what fighter they come from.

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

Pre-jump frames will get you hit every time

JUST BLOCK AND PUNISH NIGGA

Ayden Campbell
Ayden Campbell

The worst part is that the edit actually looks a lot like Tien.

Gabriel Nelson
Gabriel Nelson

REMINDER that based 17 was going to BTFO Goku and he got super scared

Evan Powell
Evan Powell

Yeah, I know. I'm not very good yet. I'm in that phase where I'm picking up combos in training mode and getting used to actually doing them in real fights, so I forget and drop shit all the time. Still, I love being a sneaky shit.
no sorry.

Evan Allen
Evan Allen

Tell me how to be good with Tien. Everyone else is straight foward, but I can't even figure out combos with the guy that isn't pretty much universal for everyone

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

Reminder to keep characterfaggotry on /a/. You guys ruined /dbs/ with rampant character worship.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

(don't give a fuck how "difficult" it is to land it, he has a ton of easy opportunities)
Only rage shitters are easily hit by the suicide attack. youtu.be/rm7klc8olGg

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

Rank match
He wins
He slams rematch instantly
I win
He flees to the lobby with his tail inbetween his legs

WHAT'S THE MATTER, COWARD!? AFRAID I'LL WIN AGAIN?

Lincoln Baker
Lincoln Baker

Sounds like your friends are scrubs if they can't take their losses

Colton Sanders
Colton Sanders

Blue Goku can take you from 100% to 15% for free if he has meter
So is he the definitive unga anchor? Even Tien's Neo Tribeam can't do that and he has to sacrifice all his life for it.

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

Using a team of gohan ssj2, gotenks, and trunks.

Andrew Wright
Andrew Wright

try to enter lobby
"can't join lobby it's full"
5/6
I wish i could ever join one.

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

19f delay
Yeah, I'd drop out too.

Landon James
Landon James

No rooms found.

Jackson Cox
Jackson Cox

Beerus is all you need.

Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

tfw I'm so bad at fighting 16 I can even get zoned out by his projectiles
Fuck this gay robot.

Easton Harris
Easton Harris

play ranked
guy keeps rematching me
win 10 times in a row
guy finally quits and sends me a private message
calls me a no lifer and that he has to much pussy to worry about getting good in the game

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

SEETHING

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

Damn Beerus looks like that???

Josiah Perez
Josiah Perez

Ok lets go point for point
others tag fighters...
Marvel? That game literally has so much shit going on pros cant see everything, this game is extremely tame in comparison, most chars cant put 2 projectile at once on the screen, most projectiles are high risk, linear amd totally visible beams, and most others are small, do shit damage and are generally super dashable, many GG characters can put more shit on the screen than most full teams on dbfz, lime venom or dizzy

dragon rush isnt that slow
I agree, its slower than other games grabs but that doesnt mean its reactable it just means its punishable, also it scales like a motherfucker and since it puts you on the top of the screen and uses your super dash, it doesnt rewards you as much as it risks, also your previous point on jumps having 4 frames of startup is true, but they are still throw invul so that is flat out wrong.
Also, they loose to mashing/sticking out buttons, so why you complain that mashing is so good while complaining that a mechanic that looses to it is also good?

dashing shouldnt...
What do you propose? Making dashes have super armor? You can cancel a dash into a block at anytime, maybe learn how to approach in an anime game (aka the neutral you are so convinced it doesnt exsist) before complaining, and be gratefull blocking after dashes doednt cost you resources like in GG or BB, or that they dont require complicated exploits like in marvel, dashes here are as good as they have ever been in an anime/tag team game.

auto correcting mashing isnt necessary

But why do you have so many problems with people mashing autocombos? Most of them are either punishable on block, have a gap you can interrupt or flat out suck, you can neutral jump them and punish most of them if you know they are mashing them on neutral, or throw proyectiles at them, them autocorrecting only gives a little more combo possibility that characters like trunks need for advanced combos, its a plus unless you suck.

David Nguyen
David Nguyen

I found it, this is for you

Thomas Rogers
Thomas Rogers

Character based around orb summoning
Orbs do shit damage
Orbs are beaten by beams
Orbs are beaten by Dragon Rush
The only move you have where you can summon a bunch of orbs at once takes five millions years to activate

Beerus is fucking terrible

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

How do I use 18's quarter circle square grab move? it has no range or forward momentum

Jeremiah Brown
Jeremiah Brown

the particles in the beam looks like bits of chaotzu flying off lmao

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

I have people jump on me all the time
Do you mean they're doing overheads? Then just neutral block. All you can do is block, deflect, and attack at an opening. You can also waste meter on a vanish if you're desperate.
It's all just practice honestly, figuring out peoples patterns, and how to react.
Of course, if you're opponent is a tier-list fag, and has SSJ Vegeta and a beam assist character like Rose, then it's way more fucking annoying, but there's still ways to get out of it.

Brandon Scott
Brandon Scott

I'm not the best person to ask because I'm quite the novice myself. I'm good enough to make people ragequit in the lower levels but that is far as I go right now.
from my experience he is very unga and that weird delayed foot thing he does in his autocombo throws me off.
lose first match
win second rematch because I am used to the guy's playstyle
other guy loses his shit, seemingly drops any form of knowledge on how to play and is reduced to button mashing
finish him off faster than last time
this game really does make me feel like I'm a DB character sometimes.
never gets old

Joshua Campbell
Joshua Campbell

You use it in pressure when you've put the fear of god in someone so they're afraid to do anything but block

That's pretty much it unless you get the hardest of reads

Daniel Edwards
Daniel Edwards

Correct me if I'm wrong but you can't combo after the universal overhead, right? It's just there to sneak in tiny bits of damage to close a round, or make people paranoid enough to block high so you can get in a low and start a combo right?

Ian Wilson
Ian Wilson

Know full well how SSB Goku's autocombo works, with that third hit being an overhead
Have it drilled into memory that it's going to happen
Still fuck up on blocking it sometimes because I'm an idiot
Nothing makes me feel dumber than getting hit by that overhead. They fully deserve the win every time I fall for it.

Robert Sullivan
Robert Sullivan

you can combo after overhead if you use sparking thought,so it is a option.

Nathan Johnson
Nathan Johnson

Use assists with your overhead. Combos started with an overhead have a lot of scaling on them but it's something

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

you can combo with an assist

Samuel Martin
Samuel Martin

You can convert off of it 2 ways:
1. Use an assist as you do it, which can make it less risky in a blockstring but also let you juggle afterwards (or continue a standing combo if you used 16 or Yamcha's assists).
2. In Sparking you can airdash-cancel the UOH on block or hit; you can cancel it on hit and do another fast air normal before landing and continuing the combo.

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

level 3s are instant and invulnerable meaning doing them at random is a good idea, and they're nearly impossible to punish
Lvl 3 arent instant, all have a couple frames of startup before the flash and after they have at least one, sure it will catch anything if you are in their face, but midscreen and further theyll give enough time to vanish cancel anything you are doing (all normals and movement options are vanish cancelable at any point).

Also they are all punishable, at least with either a super dash, raw vanish+assists for a combo, ki blasts into vanish (this works full screen) or another level 3

Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

Problem is if the enemy is blocking and I do a single light punch it knocks 18 backwards and unable to grab

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

Level 3s are also some of the most obviously unsafe-on-block moves in a game where a lot of stuff is either plus or minus-but-safe.

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

I'll never stop reposting this.

Isaiah Powell
Isaiah Powell

Here's his main bnb and the only one you really need to know, even though it's just a slightly different version of the universal route

2M 5M jc L M 2H SD L M 2H jc L M 2H 236M

This is meterless, does 4k damage (without sparking and started off a raw 2M, so obviously more or less accordingly), and ends in hard knockdown so you can then either end it with your great supers (including chiaotzu, which is the best scaling super in the game and always adds a minimum of 2160 more damage) or start doing oki with his dozen oki options

As far as I can tell you need assist extensions if you want to do any fancy loop stuff, but Tien's crazy oki game is his main strength anyway

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

kek

John Wood
John Wood

2M 5M jc L M 2H SD L M 2H jc L M L 2H 236M does more damage.

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

On top of all said, some chars can set up ways to combo out of them, like beerus with ball setups or gotenks with ghost super setups

Also i think all chars can combo them if they hit really meatie but that doesnt seem practical/doable in a real match

Nathaniel Flores
Nathaniel Flores

Depends on the spacing, but yeah you may have to dash up first

It's probably the slowest command grab in the game anyway so the dashin barely even adds anything to how long it takes to come out

At most I only mix it in once in a while to put fear in people that I'm having trouble opening up, but you can accomplish the same thing with DR anyway, its only real advantage over DR is that the M version gets HKD

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

Meant 2M 5M jc L M 2H SD L M L 2H jc L M 2H 236M

David Moore
David Moore

If you can combo into Volleyball Fist on the ground and pop them up from the spike with an assist, then do j.M2H as you fall and continue the combo as usual, it does even better damage (5k meterless if from 5M). It's not hard to learn as long as you have an assist good for that kind of extension.

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

Oh and of course you can't tech it like a DR so I guess it has that over it too

It's still so slow that it's hard to actually land though, but at least the startup animation is a bit more subtle than DR, for the non-H versions anyway

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

When you say pop them up from the spike, you mean after the spike and before/as they land, right? I think I get what you mean, gonna have to try that, I assume Vegeta assist will work for it

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

three 2Hs in a single combo
You can do that?

Joshua Moore
Joshua Moore

Tien can, his 2H moves him higher in the air

Only the first one does the little zoomin launch effect and the subsequent ones can be jc'd like any other normal, it's just that most other characters can't jc a 2H and get high enough to continue their combo like this

It's actually required for the j236M to combo too

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

how do i unlock this scene?

Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

Yes, and Vegeta will definitely work because of how active it is. I do it with 16's assist and I have to call him right before the spike lands for it to work, but your timing should be much easier.

You only get the Smash that you chase after from the first one, but the others still connect. They knock them up a smaller distance, which you can catch with a jump cancel into a j.L, and then the second is caught because Tien hops upwards during the startup of j.236M

Anthony Jones
Anthony Jones

Have Yamcha defeat Nappa with a 5H (not sure if it can be in a string or has to be raw, but it does have to be the killing blow) on the rocky wastes stage

Lincoln King
Lincoln King

It only works because his 236M pops him up before he spikes after the 2H.

Jordan Ramirez
Jordan Ramirez

i'm really bad at remembering to use my assists, its a pretty big problem

Matthew Rodriguez
Matthew Rodriguez

You can combo into Dramatic Finishes sometimes.

Jordan Nelson
Jordan Nelson

When this happens, change your name. Works for me

Jason James
Jason James

2 things:
How the FUCK do you get out of a blockstring when the other player knows what they're doing?

And why the fuck do matches keep randomly dropping.

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

Beerus with ball setups
I can hardly find time to lay my balls let alone lay them with such accuracy that I can 6M someone near them. I want to see someone really good with Beerus go to town with him. He's either got really cool hidden depth or he's just a gimped Frieza.

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

reflect, or frame 1 invincibles if you have them

Dominic Gray
Dominic Gray

Guard cancel, reflect, even vanish sometimes, use the iframes on lvl 3, use a DP if you have one, pay attention to his tendency of for super dashes mid blockstring and punish it with 2H

All I got

Levi Watson
Levi Watson

Thanks. Do A16/Hit/Freiza have any invincible reversals, or should I stick to reflect?

Luke Murphy
Luke Murphy

You have to figure out how your opponent likes to do their blockstrings and where they leave the gaps, this game doesn't have that many defense options so there's no one easy solution

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

When you put them in the corner end your block strings with 5H into cr.S or any other ball.

That will put a ball right in front of the opponent while pushing you back, locking them down. (unless they super dash)

You can also block string 5H into your light dunking special and if they block that you can instant air dash to try another overhead.

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

16 has armor on his 5H, but I don't think it's frame one, still really good tho
Hit has that fucking counter
Frieza I would stick to blocking, but if you see the opening for it he also has that meterless teleport attack, 22S that can crossup and starts a combo

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

Frieza can do a wakeup super by holding R2 while in a hard knockdown. Otherwise you don't have many options with that team besides reflect or a raw Level 3. Maybe if there's a gap in the pressure big enough you could use Hit's 5S counter or a 16 5H/2H to rip through a frame trap since it has armor, but that could be risky.

Wyatt Hill
Wyatt Hill

I always forget that teleport attack with Frieza. Didn't seem all that useful when I was messing with the character but I guess it is a good meterless vanish, unless it's slow and I don't realize it.

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

Guard Cancel Z-Change. More viable when you're in the corner, it's more likely they'll be able to catch your incoming character as they Super Dash in when you're in the open. Ideally, perform the Guard Cancel as you block a special or a Heavy/Ki attack after the opponent has already done their Ki/Heavy attacks in their blockstring (otherwise they'll just hit your next guy with whatever is coming next in their blockstring).

Or the Guard Cancel when down to one character which gives you a much more reliable and safe Vanish Counter.

Kayden King
Kayden King

Its like a shitty version of Cell's speed, you know.

Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

Got any tips for his oki game?

It feels the same as everyone else

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

ChrisG totally fucking stopped people from raw vanishing this weekend on the DragonBrawl thing. I think in 6 months people won't let that shit fly either, everyone will react to it

Zachary Adams
Zachary Adams

It's like anyone else's except you have all the tools you could want, so just mix it up a lot

You have an overhead special that HKDs, a divekick version of this special, a fast low, a slow low with armor to bait jabs, a pretty good command grab, telekinesis which is an amazing meaty, and really good normals

Ian Hernandez
Ian Hernandez

Tien is one of the most straightforward and simple characters, but he definitely requires you to have a good ground game.

Personally, I prefer him as a point character, because with assists, you can combo after volleyball fist and end up dealing 5k damage with a single assist and no meter. 5M 2M 5S (or 5MMS) into 236L and so on. Then you use a juggle to let you connect a j.M2H after volleyball's last hit and then into air combo bit (or you can do the full combo he posted if you don't have assists to use). Don't bother using meter. Why? Because you'll have a hard knockdown where you can just time 236S (call Chiaotzu) to cover ANY tech option. The opponent will be forced to block, and if airborne, drop to the ground. This gives you an opportunity to do a quick high low mixup (using your other assist, you can easily convert from 6M or a instant overhead j.P). Then you repeat until dead, using meter to kill.

In neutral, you'll just be moving around trying to hit with a IAD j.H or a 5M for bigger damage. Volleyball is also a great slide for whiff punishing. The 5M 2M 5S string I mentioned is 0 on block, so you can auto pilot that safely. The hard part will be getting in for your relatively short range normals to hit.

Mason Morris
Mason Morris

I cant do assist combos no matter what i try

Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

I do that but with Yamcha. It was fun at the start before the Dragon Ball casuals dropped since you knew it pissed them off. Makes it even better knowing Yamcha does the least damage in the game to win with him.

Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

Take note of how much startup your assist has. If it comes out fast, you can just press your own attack button and assist at the same time. If your assist takes awhile to hit, you will have to press the assist slightly before your own attack. So if you have vegeta's assist you can press j.H+Assist from a soft knockdown juggle and the opponent will catch the Vegeta ki blasts.

Cooper Ward
Cooper Ward

He can use that teleport mid combo with some assists to combo that double destructo disk twice and deal 5 billion damage.

wish I knew how to link twitch clips to show

Daniel Young
Daniel Young

Sure, anyone should already be able to 2H react to a Raw Vanish as long as they're on the ground.
But a Vanish can be preceded by whatever projectile to stun the opponent and stall any reaction. Using generic Ki blasts is rather effective against opponents who like to Super Dash, they expect they can just ignore it and dash through them at the opponent while "busy" with throwing fireballs, but then they get kicked in the back of the head.

Dominic Davis
Dominic Davis

Just hit enter after tv like this

clips.twitch.tv
/FineLitigiousPineappleYee

I guess the link also can apply to

Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris

What would you do if any of them were added to FighterZ?

Colton Cook
Colton Cook

Barely win
They leave

But why, WHY THOUGH, LET ME LEARN, I DON'T MIND LOSING

Levi Wright
Levi Wright

ranked
get stomped in first match
win the second match convincingly
stomp them in the third match

I CONTINUE TO IMPROVE

Henry Cook
Henry Cook

clips.twitch.tv
/AdventurousRelatedLettuceRedCoat

Adrian Garcia
Adrian Garcia

toriyama san we need a goku that transforms into a bald supersayian called SS ocho cinco dale edition

Brody Foster
Brody Foster

Do any of them even have a sizable set of unique moves?

James Williams
James Williams

My sides have been sent to another dimension.

John Hall
John Hall

What the fuck are you supposed to do after you successfully block a couple hits? When I try to punish at the end of my opponent's blocked combo he has enough time to block before my light attack comes out. They can also just jump away before you can react to punish.

What the fuck am I supposed to do?

Jayden Clark
Jayden Clark

Learn what's actually unsafe

If they play it safe and don't allow any gaps you can jab out of, reflect

Jackson Ramirez
Jackson Ramirez

Need to give us more details. Are you in the corner? Do you have room to dash? What character are you using? Also, you need to recognize when they're doing something unsafe, do you know how to see that and react in time? We need details to help you, man.

John Johnson
John Johnson

You can equip various to them since they're avatars in Heroes, in fact that V-Jump scan from the previous post showed Beat using the Ultimate Dragon Fist.

William Brown
William Brown

If SSB Note was added I'd spam their customer support telling them to fix her fucking hair.

Parker Smith
Parker Smith

Immediately put Note in my team

Gabriel Price
Gabriel Price

Give me a grown up Sword-wielding Gotenks or Viola.

William Sanders
William Sanders

That's Dimps fault, not ASW.

Jason Nelson
Jason Nelson

I'd enjoy it because I don't really care much about the lore, only cool characters. Another Frieza type would be fun. Good thing we're getting Cooler at some point, but because he's going to be a big boy I doubt he'll play anything like his brother.

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

Let's say I'm mid screen and successfully blocked a string of light and mediums until he stops. Then I try to punish but he blocks before my attack even comes out.

I usually play 16/adult Gohan/Vegeta

Samuel Cooper
Samuel Cooper

Dyspo would be a great addition to FighterZ.

Jayden Ross
Jayden Ross

thread has gone on for almost 6 hours
this wasn't brief at all you fucking liar

Jack Nguyen
Jack Nguyen

I'd prefer Toppo, but both would be better than Jiren

Kayden Morales
Kayden Morales

Do they explain in the show why he looks just like Beerus?

Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

This is just wrong though. I can't remember the exact numbers but it matches Piccolo's and Gokus only when you do it twice.

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

the ol' razzle dazzle

Austin Powell
Austin Powell

probably the same race, but I'm only guessing

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

this picture gets better every time you look at it

Benjamin Lewis
Benjamin Lewis

blazblue is better
What did he mean by this?

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

not using Lvl 3 plus one extra bar in order to secure the kill
Worth it to use to annoying Cell, KBuu and We Wuz Goku players

Brody Turner
Brody Turner

Just a coincidence.
Beerus/Champa are Sphinx Cats.
Dyspo is a rabbit.
There are a shitload of purple creatures in Dragon Ball.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee

If you KNOW they're going to block, then follow it up with a dragon rush since they probably aren't pushing a button to punish. Also wait, you're having trouble punishing with any of those characters? They got good buttons. I believe 16's 2M is pretty good at punishing blockstrings.

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

It appears he died already and the person who took the screenshot has 1M left.
I wonder if cell was KO'd then the madman continues to neo-beam his ass several-times-over.

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

Mike Ross is whiter than your punk bitch ass

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