I still don't get why anyone should care about surveillance if they aren't...

Sebastian Murphy
Sebastian Murphy

I still don't get why anyone should care about surveillance if they aren't doing anything wrong.

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Xavier Campbell
Xavier Campbell

you're probably retarded, it doesn't take much brainpower to imagine why people might be irked about constant obtrusive surveillance

Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

What about a fucking business secret? Any research you don't have stolen from you? Information about where you want to invest in?

There's almost infinitely things you can keep secret without doing anything wrong.

Are you a fucking idiot or what?

Nolan Barnes
Nolan Barnes

Kill yourself. This is not a meme. I'm actually advocating that you commit suicide. Kill yourself.

Joshua Brooks
Joshua Brooks

Let me have access to your email, facebook, game, twitch, bank, etc., accounts if you have nothing to hide OP. :^)

Nolan Perry
Nolan Perry

Michael row the boat ashore.

A decent catch from such obvious bait.

Parker Rivera
Parker Rivera

I still don't get why anyone should care about surveillance if they aren't doing anything wrong
You needn't worry about anything important, assuming you will be ending your own life soon.

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

What's fine today might not be fine tomorrow.

While some people face persecution for their ideas today, they could face prosecution for their ideas if we give up our freedoms.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

Who defines what is wrong?
It might not be wrong to be a faggot in your country, OP, but it is in others. And as such they do have something to hide, although you may not think that they actually do something wrong.

Luke Bennett
Luke Bennett

Let's say you're not doing anything wrong, but since you're clearly autistic you do a lot of stupid, embarassing things. Or maybe you just did some things when you were young that you're not proud of.
Now imagine that someone has the power to use that information against you whenever they see fit.

Eli Ross
Eli Ross

HEY LER

Dominic Baker
Dominic Baker

I agree. I guess they are scared people will know they watch Hentai.

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

How does spying my home webcams help a government of a different country? Will you be okay to open up your phone cameras, webcams and microphones to N Korea/China/Iran/Russia? What do I gain in return of the sacrifice of my civilian privacy?

0/10 Dumb faggot

Lucas Hughes
Lucas Hughes

Just because you aren't doing anything wrong doesn't mean you're doing everything right, which means there's always room for the government to come after you.

Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

Fortunatly i joined the SS and had no reason to be concerned.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

What if you're not doing anything wrong but they say you are? They are allowed to watch you. They can easily make something up, because they know your routine. Why? Because they don't want someone else to be blamed, and they don't care about what happens to someone like you.

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

your neighbour constantly looks in your windows to see what you get up to
keeps logs of what he's seen for an indefinite amount of time and for reasons he's never specified
if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be annoyed or worried!

Cameron Lewis
Cameron Lewis

most people would only say that with the assumption that such information won't show up anywhere public or be visibly used for anything

just about nobody would appreciate something like being followed around 24/7 with the video feed being broadcast live on television around the world

Brody Carter
Brody Carter

Do you lock your doors on your house, or just leave everything unlocked all the time?

Daniel James
Daniel James

It's against the law.

Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

Please post your verified name, address, phone number, place of work, email and password. Thanks.

Brandon Barnes
Brandon Barnes

For the same reason you close your curtains and don't give people your email password

Joshua Hernandez
Joshua Hernandez

Maybe you don't care now.
But you'll care a lot more the day people "caught you" doing something "wrong".

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

That dude is kind of a badass. No fucks given. He seems greedy with his fucks, as if he guards his fucks with his life. I bet women love that he gives no fucks. It's obvious that all men would wish to be as fuckless as this guy. This dude has the demeanor as if he thinks in his mind "fuck fucks." He lacks fucks so when he does have any fucks to give, he takes special care of them. This guy's fucks are priceless. He keeps his fucks in a jar under his pillow because his fucks are scarce and rare. I bet if the jar of his fucks broke he wouldn't even give a fuck, that's how many fucks this guy has. I rarely have seen a man with such fucklessness. Fuck.

Brandon Cruz
Brandon Cruz

Nothing wrong with it. The only problem is one side is entitled to privacy, the other isn't. It's a matter of fairness. What makes someone cut from a finer cloth?

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

credforums.com/thread/56877849/technology

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

Because my personal data is my personal stuff.

Landon Gray
Landon Gray

It's a form of control.

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

That scratching at your window at night, it's me, and I'm liking what I see!

Angel Young
Angel Young

because my data will power a kind of algorithm I'm not OK with, through statistics I've never agreed to participate in.

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

I don't know where the confidence you're not doing anything wrong comes from.

Jonathan Wood
Jonathan Wood

By that logic you'd be OK with the government having full access to your browser history. What's wrong, anything to hide? ;)

Isaac Taylor
Isaac Taylor

do you use curtains or blinds on your windows? something to hide?

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Would you let me install cameras and microphones in your home? Why not, have something to hide?

Man get the fuck outta here you fucking cuck.

Anthony Perry
Anthony Perry

When you jerk off to Internet porn I will know exactly when you are doing it because I can see what websites you're visiting in real-time. While you're watching Internet porn and beating your meat, I will be watching and recording you through your Macbook Pro icam and I will record the wet smacking sounds and your homoerotic pants. I may choose to blackmail you with the video and audio recording, threatening to make you look as if you were chatting up a minor online to make you look like a pedophile because you sent this to her. You're ok with this, right? It's not like you're doing something wrong.

Anthony Wood
Anthony Wood

Dafuq you talkin bout bitch

Julian Sanchez
Julian Sanchez

Hey, nerds, it's Chad.

You really should stop caring about all this freedom stuff. No offense, but it's pitiful. You should start believing the government like it is the gospel, too. They do all my thinking for me, one less chore, right? And tell you what, nerds, my life looks great. You know that fine ass bitch you dreamed about last night? She's on her way to get some Vitamin C. Get it? Cause my name is Chad.

Anyway, forget about your freedom. Who knows you might even get noticed by the 1/10 girls I don't want.

Evan Morales
Evan Morales

Have you ever heard about the sun?
Literally worst argument I've ever seen

Oliver James
Oliver James

are you a vampire?

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

Yeah, I mean who do they think the government is paying to read all their emails and why?

Parker Cook
Parker Cook

When you're in that sort of situation and haven't instantly died you almost feel like nothing can kill you, and you keep very calm. It's hard to explain.

Justin Wright
Justin Wright

You don't care until your data gets into wrong hands.

Eli Cox
Eli Cox

fuck you, you subordinate bitch. keep doing what youre told

Camden Gray
Camden Gray

Nice try NSA.

Owen Gomez
Owen Gomez

Here is why you should care about surveillance even if you have done nothing wrong. Today we have liberalist governments with a broadly left wing agenda. What is legal today might not be legal tomorrow, and if they know what you like today, they will put you inside for it tomorrow. Another reason is that nobody had a referendum to decide whether they want government imposed on them, nobody asked to be born to a particular regime, who the fuck put them in charge with surveillance? When were you consulted about voting for ever more government surveillance?

Bentley Hughes
Bentley Hughes

These threads are like the equivalent of "athiests can't define atheism" threads on /b/. The only difference being that this is more than likely an information gathering operation that will be used against privacy advocates in the future.

Isaac Wilson
Isaac Wilson

youtu.be/HckcY_hSbjs?t=289

Josiah Clark
Josiah Clark

Reminder this is a psyop to get you used to constant surveillance

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

t. CIA Nigger

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

Except digital surveillance is itself a slope towards doing everything wrong.
In case you missed it during the Paris attacks, the Human Intelligence in the West has deteriorated to an unimaginably low level since the 90's.
The laziness, obsession with ease, and the lower and lower quantity of individuals with field experience,
as field experience itself has been substituted with digital jerking,
has produced the worst generations in military and police ranks in the past 2 centuries.
The terrorists during the Paris attacks even used non-encrypted communication.

Digital surveillance should be scrapped or at least heavily defunded so incentive can be put on Human Intelligence,
while defunding surveillance will force the existing programs to focus on quality rather than chaotic worthless quantity.
Most importantly, politics needs to change as bad politics is the source of terrorism. Surveillance isn't an answer to a problem which is born of shitty politics, shitty decision making, shitty choices in which groups your retarded government will fund (and inadvertently create terrorists out of them).

So yes, surveillance is an indicator that everything else has failed from ground up. It's an excuse so as not to admit failure out of pride in areas that have been fucked up.

Kayden Rogers
Kayden Rogers

advocates defunding the NSA to give more to the CIA
Hi CIA.

East Germany focused on HUMINT more than SIGINT too, look what happened with them. More of any type of intelligence discipline leads to an increase of a police state. And this is indeed already a surveillance police state.

Cooper Ramirez
Cooper Ramirez

How do you know that you aren't doing anything wrong? Did you read every single law in the U.S and local legal codes?

Chase Johnson
Chase Johnson

East Germany focused on HUMINT more than SIGINT too, look what happened with them.
And Japan focused on building infrastructure and technology, look what happened with them.
Such stupid arguments can apply to anything if one knows a bit of history.

The thing is that Human Intelligence actually would stop terrorism because it focuses on tangible contact,
while digital surveillance only benefits fucking ad firms with how shit is now with the NSA shit.
And considering those agencies always need funding, it's not even a question of whether or not they are selling all that surveillance on the people to ad companies, it's a matter of rational and logical management and self-funding that they certainly are. If they aren't, then there's no intelligence in the intelligence agency.
And this is the problem.

Alexander Bailey
Alexander Bailey

Then don't do anything wrong.

Is it so difficult to not break the law?
Fucking loli hoarding weaboos, of course you'd be paranoid if you keep cp on your computer.

Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

you're making some strong claims, but your last statement is almost always true.

mass surveillance is like the "oh shit oh shit oh shit" when politics and especially control goes wrong.

Charles Campbell
Charles Campbell

Is it so difficult to not break the law?
do you even know about every law that might apply to you?

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

He's going to say yes when even the feds don't know all the laws on the books.

Colton Allen
Colton Allen

No, but I know enough not to be worried.

Things like cp are an obvious no-no.
Too bad weaboos don't understand that

Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson

besides the fact that there are way too many laws and regulations for an average person (in america, at least) to avoid EVER breaking any laws, the notion that there is NO reason to privacy would lead to the conclusion that you should have glass walls in your vehicle and house, and that you should log your dreams, actions and purchases for your landlord or mayor or president to review.

obviously there is need for surveillance of some things, for instance, it is beneficial for security agencies to know where explosives and radioactive materials are. for instance, if you have nothing t hide, then you shouldnt be worried if people are allowed to make sure you have no warheads. however, the argument is not suitable for the general case.

counterpoint: if you have nothing to hide, what is wrong with google (through google chrome) logging all of your underwear, sex toy, candy purchases and then giving it to not only the government, but other private groups as well? you have nothing to be afraid of, right?

the argument should be, like most instances of liberty-vs-safety, if there is enough to gain from the lessening of liberty to warrant that lessening. duh.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

No, but I know enough not to be worried.
you know this how?
because you haven't been called up about it?
what if everything you did was monitored automatically, such that anything you do illegally is immediately known, would you be confident you'd never break any obscure law then?

Owen Cook
Owen Cook

Because I've read through the laws and was satisfied. I can't remember all of them obviously, but I know enough.

Owen Hall
Owen Hall

you've read through the laws?
are you a lawer? because hardly anybody actually reads laws unless they are, or have been caught breaking it

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

Hope Gigi is alive and well.

Isaiah Fisher
Isaiah Fisher

Your ignorance is somebody elses strength. or "Freedom is slavery"

Jackson White
Jackson White

Then don't do anything wrong.
Is it so difficult to not break the law?

Kek you're retarded. You likely break several laws a day and don't even realise it.

Do you connect to open WiFi Hotspots at coffee shops and other public areas? Did you get explicit permission from the person who pays for the Internet access at the place? No? You just broke the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act law, kiddo.

Did you swear when you were talking to your friend in public recently? You just disturbed the peace which is a criminal offense.

Did you drive your car just a little over the speed limit last week? You broke the law.

"Bu-but it was only 1 or 2 mph over the limit, Officer!"

Why do you find it so difficult to obey the law, buddy?

Jonathan Nguyen
Jonathan Nguyen

No, I was bored.

hardly anybody actually reads laws
There's your problem. If you don't know the rules no wonder you're so paranoid of breaking them.

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Because it's not wrong or illegal to send pictures of my ass to guys on craigslist, then have conversations with them about how I'm a sissy faggot that wants to swallow his cum, then meeting them and doing just so, but I'd still like that to be a private affair.

Carter Wood
Carter Wood

sauce?

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

You're an idiot. Just another pro-police state shill.

Nathaniel Gonzalez
Nathaniel Gonzalez

When's commander Givi getting a movie? Fuck batman and captain america

Alexander Garcia
Alexander Garcia

A good analogy is your pissing in public bathrooms and someone decides to look at you take a piss, you don't have anything to hide but you don't want the person too look at you.

Eli Ward
Eli Ward

what this guy said. it's a common idiom where full surveillance would cause a breakdown of separation of powers (in american constitutional govt) because the executive branch would be able to pick and choose who to punish because technically, almost everyone, literally nearly 100%, is a criminal.

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

He's saying why can't we fucking walk into the NSA headquarters and read all their files?

Asher Walker
Asher Walker

Steal your secrets.

Steal your pictures.

Watch you work and build detailed profiles of everyone based off what they do on computer.

Find out every ideology you subscribe to.

Basically you're doxxd harder then you've ever been before.

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

An evil god controls a rogue intelligence agency that branched off the CIA known as MK Ultra. We can protect ourselves from its influences by encryption and hiding in anonymity.

This is the new breed on enlightenment

educate yourselves

Hudson Fisher
Hudson Fisher

go back to /x/

Camden Garcia
Camden Garcia

I dont get why anyone needs to be surveilled if they arnt doing anything wrong.

Carson Martin
Carson Martin

“What does a scanner see? he asked himself. I mean, really see? Into the head? Down into the heart? Does a passive infrared scanner like they used to use or a cube-type holo-scanner like they use these days, the latest thing, see into me - into us - clearly or darkly? I hope it does, he thought, see clearly, because I can't any longer these days see into myself. I see only murk. Murk outside; murk inside. I hope, for everyone's sake, the scanners do better. Because, he thought, if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I myself do, then we are cursed, cursed again and like we have been continually, and we'll wind up dead this way, knowing very little and getting that little fragment wrong too.”
― Philip K. Dick, A Scanner Darkly

Chase Kelly
Chase Kelly

Some people do not believe the government can be trusted with a blank check in compromising individual privacy. With good reasons.

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