Firefox Progressively Getting Worse

every time I start my browser? and that's coming from somebody who doesn't even use chrom*

>I've been using this shit for like 10 years now and don't want to install the Chrome botnet. I've been loyal to Mozilla. What do, bro?

Export your bookmarks and passwords. How do you not know how to do that after ten years???

Remove and reinstall Firefox. The internet is a botnet so worrying about hurr, durr botnets is not for adults. What you do DOES NOT MATTER. Paranoia is the idea of individual importance.

"Loyal" to a browser? Are you fucking stupid?

I run Firefox locked down and with various useful add-ons, while I leave Chrome unstrangled for shitposting and porn. Drive space is cheap so I keep other browsers (Konqueror, Midori, Opera) to play with. The idea of switching is epic stoopid. You can run many and use whatever works best on a given task.

Seamonkey and Iceweasel work nicely too.

Just use PaleMoon :3

There's also a 11 sites test? How the fuck is that unrealistic? And even there Firefox does just as poor as in the other tests

In that case you dont need a new browser - you need medication. The need for 40 pages at the same time to entertain you might be a sign that you have an attention related disorder.

All I can say is that the regular Firefox builds are dogshit. Use ones from tete or pcx instead.

>It's been slowly happening over the last 2-3 months.
You're noticing this now?
It's been slowly happening over the last 2-3 YEARS.
You can even say that it's slowly happening since FUCKING 2011, when they switched to rapid releases.

You could tell firefox was over when they stopped receiving cakes from the chrome (or was it IE) guys. The mozilla team received a cake every time they released a new version. All well and good up to like version 8 or so then the numbers just skyrocketed when they tried to be chrome

He's probably one of those mongoloids that uses tabs as bookmarks for some retarded reason.

BotNET works better at rendering. The test is actually pretty fine. The problem even shows up in regular. Browsing when you have a large thread on Cred Forums, firefox will lag/freeze where as the BotNET powered browser seems to handle it just fine.

IMO firefox simply needs to take the core of BotNET and rewrite bits to remove the Google integration and then add in the power of Firefox customizations.

FF is slowly turning into Chrome.

So it becomes like every other browser around?

And that would also make you lose all the extensions, which is the biggest reason to still stick with FF.

In other words, just use Chromium if you want Chrome with less botnet.

>again with the bate and shill thread
Firefox is more optimised on Linux. I literally don't have any problems you've described.
Pale meme or seamonkey should be used on Windows if you want the gecko engine because they're better optimised for Windows.
Opera, iridium, ungoogled chromium or iron if you want a better chrome.

>Pale meme or seamonkey should be used on Windows*

*if you only want half of your extensions to work.

But they're gonna drop current extensions api or something, aren't they?

They said it. I'm still holding on the hope that they will come to their senses and change their minds, or else I am royally fucked.

If they do I'm switching to Chromium since there will be no reason to stay on FF anymore.

>Firefox is more optimised on Linux.
ayy lmao webmshare.com/play/6wK0n

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>Firefox is shit
If there was another browser that had good extension support, customization, and regular updates, I'd be using it.

Vivaldi
>good extension support
check
>customization
check
>regular updates
check

Keep being "loyal" to Firefox even though there are better browsers, lol.

>closed down
check
>botnet
check
>copy of chrome
check.

I forgot
>open source
That's also pretty important.

Could you redo the test with latest Nightly?
Was e10s disabled or enabled?

>chrome loads ads faster
>this is somehow a "feature"
>chrome loads google javascripts faster
>he thinks google doesn't do that on purpose
And I'm not sure what kind of a potato tier PC that is, but everything loads fast on mine.

e10s was enabled and I even set dom.ipc.processCount to 50. Nightly didn't change anything about it. I have recorded numerous tests for this board, I'm not going to record another one for something that has proven to be 3x slower in literally every test.

>potato tier PC
Skylake Xeon
Plextor M6e SSD
16GB RAM

If you think my machine is a potato, you're retarded.

>but everything loads fast on mine.
Prove it.

Has Firefox been invaded by Gnome "developers"? I think "regressors" is a more apt word.

works fine for me.
I even use Seamonkey and ESR versions (which are slower) and I have zero problems.

maybe stop visiting bloated sites??
or install a botnet

So, Brave is a thing?

Can you attempt it in Nightly with e10s enabled?

Switched to Operah when they forced Eich out, I knew it was going to shit. Now I'm a happy camper with a snappy browser.

Not yet, it still has some annoying bugs, scrolling is broken on some sites and it annoys me to hell. It'll be good in about 6 months.

Any company that spends 10k moneys on removing "slave" from their code instead of optimising their browser with said funds needs to die

read

FREETARDS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>its another "same 5 autists shill chrome skins" episode

Shit was hilarious. I originally only posted the first test with e10s and processcount.. and then the excuses came. First they said "omg nobody opens 30 sites, FF performs better in real world tests".. so I only opened 11 news pages. Then they said it's because of Windows, so I booted into Arch and did the same again. Then they said it's because Chrome takes all of your resources and FF performs better on low machines.. so I created a shitty VM with only 2GB RAM and it still performed better. Then they said FF performs better with uBlock.. and you can imagine the result... so yea, them being on suicide watch is pretty much on point

i have over 1200 right now mate

DELETE THIS!!!

Sorry, wrong picture. Meant to post this one. ^_^

Have you tried refreshing your profile?

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chrong is also free

>starting with ff and then chromium
>on all of them

>doesnt know what dns caching is
>doesnt know what inetcache is

thx, but... yeah... no thx. dropped

Chrome/Chromium is better out of box. Firefox is better once you tweak it to your liking.

difference is that google has a ton of products, and the sjwturds are not actively meddling with the browser development with such stupid measures

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH WORST EXCUSE EVER

Fucking FF always gave me issues with flash related stuff. Also noticed it's getting slower and slower loading stuff. But I can't let it go because the extensions are too fucking good.

When they started hiring for diversity instead of skill

Why not reverse the test then?

chromium is google botnet free?

nope. people on Cred Forums want to believe that chromium is botnet-free but it's actually exactly the same as chrome only without the google account integration. apart from that, it's exactly the same code.

>almost 2017
>unironically using Flash

Cred Forums was a mistake

you want ungoogled-chromium

There's nothing wrong with Firefox.

what theme is that

>dns caching is
Isn't ff support it?

The only major issue I have with Firefox is that it gets ridiculously slow and laggy after my laptop resumes from sleep. This has been the case for dozens of Firefox versions and 3 Windows clean installs. I always have to close and reopen it after waking the laptop up.

I admire your dedication

more like pale meme LMAO

>cookie whitelisting
oops

>Seamonkey
I like this browser, but esential addons like self destructing cookies doesnt work, any alternative to it?

Change the cookie retention policy to session only, block third party cookies and explicitly block Google/Microsoft/etc. cookies. It's not perfect but it's good enough.

>what happens on my machine is objectively true and can be applied to others

you're free to do your own test then

I have spent a lot of time fucking with firefox performance and 90% of the issues are disk reads/writes from arbitrary sqlite dbs.

Disable them entirely and the browser runs fine with a shitload of tabs AND a shitload of addons. Since e10s it doesn't hang when you close a million tabs at once either.

how do you use extensions with ungoogled-chromium?

I already did :^)

how do i explicitly block google/microsoft/etc cookies?

>they fell for the diversity meme

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support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings

>implying i use anything mozilla would recognize as a profile
Profiles are a meme that are designed to cause more databasing. THEY CANT GET ENOUGH DATABASES ON YOUR DISKS.

They are like vampires that feed on shitty disk writes.

about:data, go to cookies only. Select the cookies you want to blacklist and check "when removing cookies, block the listed websites from setting future cookies".

You can't use Firefox without a profile as that's where all the settings for the browser are stored. it's not Google Account shit, it is absolutely fucking required for the browser to work and remember any history/cookies/settings you have made.

Thanks a lot

They should hire more women HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING REQUIRED... for the browser to believe it has a profile. I am not 100% sure you even NEED a profile if you find some magical user preferences. You can 100% block half the trash the profile wants to write to.
>crashes -> /dev/null
>datareporting -> /dev/null
>formhistory.sqlite -> /dev/null
>minidumps -> /dev/null
>search.json -> /dev/null

Most of the sqlite outside places and maybe cookies,permissions are optional but you can keep places and cookies on a ramdisk so it never has to write to disk.

These are the people browsing Cred Forums. Too dumb to even look at a link they got provided and without any clue, jumping to wrong conclusions.

Site cache, add-ons, passwords, cookies, about:config settings, everything custom is stored in the profile folder. Sure, you could make do without one, but that really makes it just unnecessarily inconvenient.

how do I disable the disk writes / reads? I already have browser.cache.disk.enable on false and browser.sessionstore.interval on a high value but Firefox yet writes >10GB a day.

You really can't do without one, it does not start. Cache is 100% optional anywhere but tracking and history stuff is not. Eventually the browser then wants to write all of that non-optional stuff down and that takes a while, even when you fix their broken sessionstore setting.

Portable firefox used to be a thing. They didn't used to spawn a new database every time they added a bad feature.

my solution was to keep my profile in an overlayFS which would load a skeleton profile from disk into a ramdisk which would then run the firefox.

done and diddley done with installing both on fresh VMs so none of the has any cache built up :^)

l2bench mactard

Have you tried PaleMoon?

Chromium is open source, right? Do any Chrome extensions actually work with it? It does piss me off how slow Firefox is these days with lots of tabs open.

LMAO

I haven't used FF in 3 years, Chrome leaves it for dead.

LOL

There's a fix out there for that. I used to have that problem, can't remember the exact fix though.

>Chromium is open source, right?
Sure. Doesn't mean you'´re safe from the botnet, though.

>Do any Chrome extensions actually work with it
all of them, chrome is based on chromium

>It's been slowly happening over the last 2-3 months
*years

There's also a lot of hard-coded google services requests in there.

can somebody redpill my why pale moon is a joke/not a viable, un-fucked firefox alternative?

I feel like Firefox has fallen for the "we need a new version, quick change stuff" meme. They spend so much effort and money doing stupid things like redeveloping the UI every 2 years, removing handy features, and adding shit features no-one wants, instead of actually making the browsing experience as smooth as possible.

You don't need benchmarks to see that Chrome is just smoother and faster than Firefox, even with no add-ons. I use Firefox at work but occasionally I need to use Chrome for certain things and the difference in responsiveness is readily apparent. It's a shame because Firefox is open source but they really need to concentrate of improving its speed, even if it means stealing Chromium's web engine.

They have been focusing on that stuff for the past 5~ years, they just haven't mainlined ANY OF IT til this past version.
>Okay so our renderer is slow.... lets invent a programming language that allows us to write a faster renderer!

And today we have Servo.... not in firefox. Not in firefox at all. We got electrolysis tho

They've redone the UI a total of one time in the last 10 years. Changing a theme is not redoing the entire UI you dumb nigger.

They hired way too many SJW web devs and now they can't stop their bullshit from running rampant. Needs more computer scientists working on the back end of things.

>Yoshino Yoshihito

But Japanese people don't use anything else except Internet Explorer.

5 years hasn't yielded much, it seems. Is the UI even running in a separate thread from page loading? Doesn't seem like it since when I open my browser everything is unresponsive until the 15 or so tabs have nearly finished loading (and this is with a 12 core CPU).

as of 49 electrolysis is not on by default. You can turn it on and configure the number of processes they use in about:config.

49 enabled e10s if you have approved addons or do not have addons

Thanks, turned it on with 10 processes and it's way faster.

I'm currently on 49, should I switch to Nightly or Aurora?

Also, should I do that SSD "fix" ?

>dns caching
>Vivaldi still faster than Opera

the SSD fix is a general fix to firefox performance, I hope whoever set it to that low number was instantly fired.

Set sessionstore to as high as you possibly can.

Some devs let people download their extensions manually in a .crx file or .zip off of github or their own site. Then it's just a matter of drag and drop or browsing through menus.

Here's what I have so far
>uBlock Origin
>uMatrix
>https everywhere
>Cred Forums x
>style chan

It's to restore windows in case of a crash. The higher you set it, the more likely it is that you'll lose something.
It's in your judgment whether that's alright for you or not.

I've set the value to 15 minutes but Firefox still writes an incredible amount of data on my SSD. Can I circumvent that without creating a RAM disk?

>letting firefox protect your tabs
You've already lost m8

You could potentially do that yes, if you have a decent fuckin OS.

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firefox_on_RAM

Firefox 50 is a lot faster than 49 , why do they even offer 49

I've already done this and it improved nothing.

It's meant for SSD health

I know but FF still writes >10GB/d even after I've applied this guide.

You arent going to write 1PB of data on that ssd.
Who gives a fuck if things write to it?
You bought it to USE IT
The first and second gen,sure, but not anymore

That's impossible, if you followed that guide.

mods please pin this post

thank you based user

What about Iridium or ungoogled chromium?
Those are just as good as chromium, and just as botnet free as firefox. (Chromium is just good, don't deny it with stupid arguments unless you actually work on a 2GB RAM machine)
Am I missing something?

iridium isn't particularly degoogled, firefox isn't either by default.

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>Even if I had 3-4 tabs open only, it could go to 700k-800k memory-wise.
i have like 11 tabs + several addons
and it's at 700k right now for me. the fuck are you guys doing?
use uBlock instead of ABP by the way if you care about memory usage,

In pc works like a charm for me, but not the same in my phone, any suggestions?

So what's the consensus on Vivaldi, guys?

inox

So basically Vivaldi.

>It's been slowly happening over the last 2-3 months
>last 2-3 months

Everytime I fap, which is 3 times a day.

Firefox on windows is garbage.

>As soon as I opened up Twitch, Youtube, or something with Flash, it shoots up past 1.5-2 million and destroys my viewing experience.
So you blame the browser for adobe being incompetent?

>I've been using this shit for like 10 years now and don't want to install the Chrome botnet. I've been loyal to Mozilla. What do, bro?
Use an alt-browser

I'm on qutebrowser myself. Very easy transition from pentadactyl to qutebrowser

Don't bother with chrome, you will only be disappointed by it if you are a long-time firefox user by how inflexible and locked-down it is.

I'm using lubuntu and firefox works just fine. I've got flash extension installed for chromium in case I ever need it and it works about the same.

It's all fast and works just fine on my machine: z97 with i3 and ssd.

You need to install Pale Moon Commander addon from Pale Moon's website; it gives you advanced options, one of which is actual legit disabling of the caches. the setting you mentioned does not do this, as you know.

lol
SJWfox caches on the drive and the constant writes of the session restorer means it'll write 20 gigabytes daily just from that alone

It's made by a furry

Do you really need more reason than that?

Sure, but how long it'll keep being "good"?

>SJWfox caches on the drive
So does every other browser
>the constant writes of the session restorer
That's what it's designed to do. I don't want to lose my session in case a shitty plugin crashes.
>it'll write 20 gigabytes daily just from that alone
And? I probably write hundreds of gigabytes per day.

>Cred Forums x
thread watcher still hasn't been fixed on firefox

>z97
>i3
You're either baiting or clinically retarded

Enable private browsing to run all of the time and you prevent 99% of disk writes straight away.

>he wants to redownload images, javashit and css constantly
thanks for wasting Cred Forums's bandwidth

Attempted to switch to Firefox. It was laggy as shit (loading animations, scrolling animations, etc.) on my 6820HK with 16GB of RAM.

just switched to chrome after 10 years of firefox. it took me 5 hours to set up extensions and shit and now it's blazing fast. firefox is not bad but it feels like an old dinosaur comparing to chrome.

upvote ^

Works fine for me.

PEBKAC m8

All browsers I've ever used except w3m are laggy and unusable as shit on my Dual Xeon 2xE5 2670 with 32 GiB of quad-channel RAM

Didn't know firefox has sideways tabs in its experiments right now

works pretty gud and doesnt slow shit down like tree style tabs

Retardation is the only reason to do that

>what is Ungoogled Chromium

>it's better cause its new :^)
Typical botnet shill.

Have you tried Dillo?

Force-enable e10s. Also
>flash
>any year

Dillo has virtually instant page rendering even on Northwood celeron cpus.

it has no ublocko tho

Doesn't Firefox disable background webpage loading by default?

I had my PC crash two times this week due to a chrome memory leak. So I went back to Firefox instead.

>Twitch

Chrome bloat is even worse. Just use an FF fork like Pale Moon, or use SeaMonkey. You won't get as much extension compatibility, but all the essential extensions should work, or have fork-specific ports.

Who uses any of the mainline browsers anymore? They're all excessively bloated, even Opera. This is one of the reasons why FORKS exist. FF has numerous forks.

Wait Mozilla's doing a first party vertical tabs implementation? God I hope that makes it to SeaMonkey.

testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center

>Firefox is more optimized on Linux

Except it is. Some distributions give you a more stripped down or optimized version of Firefox right out of the box. Newer versions of Firefox on my Slackware machine used less than half as much memory as a Windows desktop installation.

To those complaining about SeaMonkey extension compatibility:
addonconverter.fotokraina.com/

This is an online script that converts FF extensions. In my experience, it works in most cases. Of course, you'll have to go through the hassle of using it every time you want to update the extension.

>2-3 months
Uhhhh, it's been a lot longer than that.

I get losts of errors in firefox while im on facebook.
Cant watch videos normally, STOP SCRIPT all the time, loading comments slowly.
What is alternative (no googlebotnet)?

Chromium

ungoogled-chromium, straight chromium is a super botnet. Ixon? or whatever and iridium also minorly botnet.

what about opera?

Proprietary, so 100% botnet. Someone will eventually make a decent firefox build that is less shitty, I deshittyfy it myself and it is an awful process.

>He's probably one of those mongoloids that uses tabs as bookmarks for some retarded reason.
There's literally no reason to close a tab if you know you're going to revisit the page soon, so long as it doesn't passively suck assloads of CPU or bandwidth. This is literally the basis of caching.

So which one are you using?

You're a fucking moron.

Official Mozilla Firefox Stable, with my own profile hacks. ~/.cache crammed into my tmpfs /tmp, profile loaded into a different, effectively read-only ramdisk. Loads of user prefs changed so as to not rely on google services, loads of addons to block things by default. Userscripts designed solely to stop hax/malware/tracking in javascript at the cost of basically breaking all javascript, even when javascript is enabled.

Even worse, bookmarks are stored in sqlite just like tabs! There's a performance penalty no matter which way you go. Might as well go the convenient route.

>over the last 2-3 months

More like the last 2-3 years; I left that fucking shitstain of a browser a few months ago because of all the shit they've done to it: Australis (that shit no one asked for), Pocket integration (what the fuck, why would you do that?), and requiring add-ons to be signed by Mozilla®, as if users are mentally fucking retarded and need to have their hand held through everything.

I'm using Vertical Tabs Reloaded and it works pretty good.

Firefox has eaten memory since like '06 man. Absolute piece of shit.

for christs sake switch to seamonkey, the interface is just like how it was before hipsters took over the internet. should have found out about it sooner.

firefox blocking unsigned xpi's was the last straw for me