/glmg/ - GNU/Linux Minimalism General

Ryder Ortiz
Ryder Ortiz

This is a general for discussing software minimalism and minimal software for GNU/Linux.

What is software minimalism?
en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Minimalism_(computing)

Why software minimalism?
- Fewer bugs
- Better performance
- Lower memory footprint
- Better maintainability
- Higher scalability
- Longer software lifetime
- Prompt delivery
- Smaller attack surface

Acceptable GNU/Linux distributions that aren't bloat

Alpine Linux (Not GNU)
alpinelinux.org

Void Linux
voidlinux.eu

GNU GuixSD
gnu.org/software/guix/

Gentoo
wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
gentoo.org/downloads/

Slackware
slackware.com/getslack/

CRUX Linux
crux .nu/
crux .nu/Main/Handbook3-3

Devuan (Stable is horribly outdated, so be sure to switch to a newer branch. There's also Debian if you want Poetteringd)
devuan.org/
devuan.org/os/releases
devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list
wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian
devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii

Useful links
suckless.org/rocks
harmful.cat-v.org/software/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers

Pastebins
Alternative to Bloatware v1.2 pastebin.com/9NtiV5MB
Pure ALSA pastebin.com/yKhgKt8r

Protip: If you aren't comfortable with the terminal or aren't proficient with GNU/Linux, this thread isn't for you.

Other urls found in this thread:

git.suckless.org/st

Oliver Gray
Oliver Gray

i fkcing love arch linux

Charles Bennett
Charles Bennett

Cool! not going to add it to list, but i'm glad you found a distro that makes you happy ^.^

Also heres the WM ram comparison

Joseph Myers
Joseph Myers

careful with that devuan tho. it can and very likely will install libsystemd if you install some packages. i thought that systemd was completely removed from it but this distro is just a scam.

Blake Lewis
Blake Lewis

still beats the hell out of running systemd full time. Perhaps the packages you are referring to now have hard dependency on libsystemd. There's not much Devuan can do in that case.

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

Should be asking in the stupid questions thread, but what are gaps?

I keep seeing gaps mentioned when reading about i3 and such. I'm very new.

Connor Campbell
Connor Campbell

bloat.(wastes space that could be used to display something useful)

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper

gaps are literally what it sounds like. They're little aesthetic gaps between your windows in a tiling WM. Without gaps, all your windows are literally right up against each other.
pic related is some random rice I found that has gaps.

Jonathan Walker
Jonathan Walker

and here's a pic with no gaps. It's really just up to personal preference. I think most WMs that support gaps allow you to toggle them on and off, so you can switch.

Also, if you want gaps on i3, you need to use the fork called i3-gaps

Leo Ramirez
Leo Ramirez

Interesting, thanks.

I could definitely see myself having a little bit of gap between them. Having everything run up against each other would be hard on the eyes for me.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

sounds good!
oh and what do you think of my OP pic? uwu

Nathaniel Cox
Nathaniel Cox

what's a good number of packages to have? sitting at 901 right now

Christopher Garcia
Christopher Garcia

not terribly important, because different distros package stuff in different ways, leading to big differences in the count between something like Debian vs something like Arch.
Also, there are some people who use stuff like latex, video editing tools, or programming libraries for multiple languages, which always cause the package count to shoot way the hell up.

So in other words, don't worry about it too much.

Adam Brown
Adam Brown

hello anons, I have troubles with my wlp8s0 connection, Can you give me some suggestion please,

Gavin Davis
Gavin Davis

what distro are you using?

Easton Hall
Easton Hall

Why is ImageMagick consider the minimal solution for screenshots and wallpaper management?

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

under 999 desu.

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

nah, its either feh or that suckless

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

feh or hsetroot is the best way to do it.
Imagemagick uses like 10MB more ram consistently. It's not much, but why do it that way when feh and hsetroot work just as well?

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

Ubuntu 15

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

wallpaper is NOT minimal

Levi Morgan
Levi Morgan

this t.bh. Does feh use memory when setting a wallpaper

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

Speaking about ImageMagick, since I only use the "convert" part of this big chunck of software, is there any alternative to this ?

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

Very nice setup even if I can't stand that web browser.
I think I might also use that font.

Also, if you want gaps on i3, you need to use the fork called i3-gaps
Why aren't they merging it in i3?

Are anybody else having glitches on their wallpaper when they run an application through bumblebee (primusrun/optirun)? It fucks it up and then it stay broken until you reload it. I think it might be an hsetroot problem.

Wyatt Smith
Wyatt Smith

Why aren't they merging it in i3?
Apparently is implemented badly as a hack and, because of how i3 is written, it can hardly be done otherwise.
The maintainer of i3 and i3gaps is the same guy.

Isaiah Morris
Isaiah Morris

Daily reminder to join #glmg on EFNet
IRC is minimal

Lincoln Perez
Lincoln Perez

it's the faggot debian fanboy op again, putting in devuan just to subtle suggest debian. Still did not explain how that shit is minimal, how apt handles packages minimal and how the netinst is not bloated as fuck, installing random packages you won't ever need even when you uncheck everything. Also every installer who do not allow you a sh shell to proceed on your own is bloat. Still, let's include debian in the list cause the op has a fetish for it.

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

I never used debian nor devuan, but if you have a point you can argue your opinion without being a little bitch.
If it makes sense, he'll remove it. Archlinux had the shitty pastas for days; we discussed what was true (eg. no splitting packages) and what was bullshit (eg. vim brings X) to finally choose to remove it from the OP.

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

1. What is the fastest window manager?
{Also i tested "bspwm vs i3" and i3 works muuuch faster than bspwm, but i don't think this is The Fastest, because it's bloat}

2. Why glmg-guys so love dwm? According to this it eats much more memory than 2bwm for example, and also it uses XLIB(which is (?)slower(?) than XLIB).
And what's good about config.h?

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

slower than XCB*

Mason Turner
Mason Turner

That looks so cool.
Gaps are shit

Cameron Miller
Cameron Miller

I agree Arch does not belong in the list with stuff like alpine, slack, void, etc. but imo same goes for debian/devuan. Systemd is the main point of course, and no systemd distro should be allowed in here. But, even without it debian (devuan) is still bloated. Debian splits packages more, and even so, is not entirely true and situational, for example in Arch meta packages are more modular and you can avoid the meta-package, picking single packages without breaking stuff, in debian you can't most of the time. Apt often pulls unecessary stuff as dependencies and the installer itself is bloated even without anything checked. Arch has an installing process the same as void (which isn't an arch fork, thank god, but inherited the good things, such as the installer) which gives you way more freedom than something like netinst, void adds up to that giving you (and not forcing you, like debian does) an installer script which keeps everything minimal, but in the end it's always: partition, mount, install base in /mnt, chroot and do what you want. In conclusion, I'd just remove debian and derivates as a whole from the OP. Even Arch has forks without systemd, even without it, it's still not minimal. Same goes with debian, for different reasons.There you have the non-bitching version.

Alexander Brooks
Alexander Brooks

forgot to add that stuff like GNU GuixSD, afaik, does not support LUKS encryption yet and if anything, users should be aware of that when choosing it. No point in being minimal if you miss some critical security features. It's like choosing a distro which doesn't support ssl/tls at all.

Angel Mitchell
Angel Mitchell

why does anyone actually run gentoo?

just seems like one of those waste-of-time distros like arch

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

i3-gaps causes memory leaks on muh gentoo, it was installed through an ebuild from gpo though so maybe I had an outdated version

Angel King
Angel King

pulseaudio
great music taste, tho.

Luke Diaz
Luke Diaz

was meant for this delete and repost reddit hero.

Carter Kelly
Carter Kelly

it's actually more time consuming than Arch to install and marginally more time consuming to maintain. I've been using it since November 2017 and it's been quite good fun but it's definitely for hobbyists.

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

personally I think it makes more sense to use a WM that supports it by default, rather than some random fork. That's why I switched to using bspwm at one point.

Jaxson Clark
Jaxson Clark

Damn, these dudes are cute

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

I know right!?! ^_^

Henry Cox
Henry Cox

got rid of dbus, pam, consolekit, and policykit
Freedom never felt so free.

Daniel James
Daniel James

is there an slstatus date format string? i've tried looking but there is very little documentation surrounding slstatus

Ryan Hughes
Ryan Hughes

Why glmg-guys so love dwm?
It's a genuinely brilliant piece of interface. Workspaces are tags, multiple tags can be applied to one window, and you can make unions with a key press.
it eats much more memory than 2bwm for example
2bwm doesn't do any of that though? To my knowledge the only other WMs that can are xmonad and awesome.
XLIB(which is (?)slower(?) than XCB)
Makes no difference that I've ever been able to notice.
And what's good about config.h?
I dunno if it's great, but I've seen a lot worse (((human readable))) config file formats.

Chase Thompson
Chase Thompson

gentoo is probably the only distro that has packaged dwm properly.

Benjamin Green
Benjamin Green

getting dwm from a package manager ever

Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

Good OP

Caleb Gray
Caleb Gray

yay u like it!

Luke Jenkins
Luke Jenkins

theres nothing wrong with doing that on gentoo. just remember to enable the savedconfig useflag so you can edit the config

Joshua Martinez
Joshua Martinez

can't figure out how to patch st on gentoo

Luis Perry
Luis Perry

Just occurred to me the CloverOS guys do Gentoo with presets, how minimal are they does somebody know?

Cameron Nguyen
Cameron Nguyen

tfw patched st but I don't remember how

Henry Gomez
Henry Gomez

patches are bloat. st is perfect by default.

Sebastian Perry
Sebastian Perry

i just want scrolling. otherwise it is perfect.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

I am lazy AF. Is that any distro which is not arch but has something like AUR?

Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

just git things

Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

Is that any distro which is not arch but has something like AUR?
Plenty
I am lazy AF.
Void Linux?

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

one week has passed
still trying to use this shit distro called Crux

Anthony Roberts
Anthony Roberts

You are teasing me into trying CRUX

Mason Russell
Mason Russell

Most distros have some kind of automated build script. Fedora and Debian anyway. Of course windowed fullscreen support is only in git, and most distros just blindly ship the last point release instead.

Nathaniel Parker
Nathaniel Parker

never used that distro but it cant be harder to install than gentoo.

Robert Kelly
Robert Kelly

Nothing campares to AUR. I use arch btw

Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

Crux is basically a sub-sub-niche version of Gentoo with extremely bad release testing.

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

I want to install Gentoo but I am afraid to ruin my dad's Ubuntu partition lmao

Jeremiah Barnes
Jeremiah Barnes

CloverOS is minimal in that it doesn't have useless services or programs compiled with useless stuff. The ISO includes software though.

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

Seriously, this distro is a mess!

Tyler Parker
Tyler Parker

I've been seeing a lot of people struggle with CRUX. are they brainlets, or should I take CRUX out of the list next time?

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

on virtualbox
just werks
on vmware
kernel panic
on host machine
kernel panic

Matthew Roberts
Matthew Roberts

maybe the kernel is not configured properly if its like gentoo?

Luke Nelson
Luke Nelson

I like my vanilla dwm. Fuck off fag

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

take out fucking crux

Ryan Gray
Ryan Gray

will do

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

Fuck off fag

Carter Scott
Carter Scott

Is TCC worth using? Is it still being worked on?

Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

Kernel is configured properly. All loaded driver and modules are included on config.

This distro is a fucking garbage bugged.

Nolan Roberts
Nolan Roberts

How well would Devuan work on a Thinkpad X200s?

Jace Walker
Jace Walker

why does the person that posts these threads always put little boys as pic related. We get it you like kids- this is not catholic church general, man. Quit it

Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

Threadly reminder decimal kilobytes and bibibytes instead of proper binary kilobytes are bloat

Nolan Garcia
Nolan Garcia

not measuring in nibbles

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

Devuan is a meme distro like crux.

Just use debian

Michael Watson
Michael Watson

figured it out.
git clone git.suckless.org/st
cp *.diff st;cd st
git apply *.diff
make & make install
*diff is the patch
way easier than gentoo's guide

Christopher Harris
Christopher Harris

fell GNU/Linux-systemd

Alexander Lewis
Alexander Lewis

tfw enjoy installing distros and programs more than actually using them

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

version of Gentoo
Wrong

David Butler
David Butler

installed void today after a month in fedora, and arch before that.
thanks

Noah Gonzalez
Noah Gonzalez

Dont rush to remove it before having a second opinion, not that I use or that I disagree in its remove

Works wonderful and I am now with Ascii (Debian Stretch) because cutting edge

Matthew Sullivan
Matthew Sullivan

I got rid of consolekit, policykit and avahi and is working great, feels good man

Henry Wright
Henry Wright

I've got an idea: If 5 or more people can install Crux and set up a basic environment, you do not remove it. If fewer than 5 people can do that then you remove it.

The installation must be done ONLY in physical machine or Vmware (Player, Workstation, EXSi ...). Not worth installing in Virtualbox.

Nathaniel Edwards
Nathaniel Edwards

Computers are bloat, goodbye.

Charles Foster
Charles Foster

This is true
But where will you go user? Let's be minimal in the mountains together

Joseph Reyes
Joseph Reyes

2018
not using smoke signal or letter

Ian Rivera
Ian Rivera

t. Kaczynski

Robert Hernandez
Robert Hernandez

computers are minimal. life is bloat.

Adam Bennett
Adam Bennett

Life is 0123456789
Computers are 0 and 1
Computers aren't bloat

Justin Sanders
Justin Sanders

If I did it once before from windows to a different os once before,
Is there any reason not to dban nuke it again before installing another os like ubuntu?

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

My sides

Daniel Ross
Daniel Ross

Guys why the fuck is twitter so bloat

Leo White
Leo White

PC is bloat. Laptops aren't. Laptops are /minimal/. If you own a PC, throw it away and get a decent laptop

John Morris
John Morris

How is Xmonad? I recently taught myself Haskell and heard about Xmonad so I'm considering switching over from i3.

Levi White
Levi White

dwm man

Daniel Brooks
Daniel Brooks

implying you need anything more than tty1

Chase Morris
Chase Morris

How about you go do some integration testing on your piece of shit distro and do a little more meditation on the definition of "basically".

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

It's pretty good. I don't have use for anything more complicated than dwm, but if I did it would be xmonad.

Justin Thompson
Justin Thompson

Is Plan9 bloat?

Sebastian Hernandez
Sebastian Hernandez

implying you need anything more than kernel

Dylan Garcia
Dylan Garcia

No just retarded, except Harvey OS.

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

using debian now should i switch back to gentoo?

Lincoln Gonzalez
Lincoln Gonzalez

yes

Ethan Morgan
Ethan Morgan

gentoo

INSTALL LFS

Carson Williams
Carson Williams

Is midori a minimalist browser?

Jayden Green
Jayden Green

Use what you're comfortable to use.
Why have you choose to remove Gentoo and why you choose Debian as your new distro?

Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith

Just installed void linux with herbstluftwm, what browser should I get? Something minimal that doesn't sacrifice too much usability. Im using gnu icecat right now, but for some reason its very slow to load pages

Asher Price
Asher Price

I like qutebrowser but get used to using the keyboard often.

Qupzilla is good too, like a lightweight firefox.

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