How many kanji do you need to learn to be proficient with japanese?

how many kanji do you need to learn to be proficient with japanese?

How many hanzi do you need to learn to be proficient with chinese?

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I heard that you'd need to know around 2000 kanji to fully understand good newspapers.

Just learn Korean, m8. They know nobody needs that shit.

...done...

a friend told me it's around 1800 kanji for japanese and around 4000 hanzi for chinese.

Then why learn it, when no one needs it?

All the kanji and all the hanzi

Japanese: If you learn the kanji for every word that is occasionally written in kanji, you will end up at probably 3000 or so from basic adult material, closer to 4k if you read classic literature like souseki. This is assuming you don't try to learn words without learning their kanji and hope you can rely on furigana.

Chinese I don't know but I'd say add at least 1000 to the numbers for Japanese.

그럼 한자 배우는 것을 시작해

It will be easier on your memory using 한자 than Kanji or Hanzi, no?

I remember someone saying it was between 2000 and 2500 hanzi. Since hanzi are almost always pronounced the same and most words are compounds it's easier to understand things even not knowing all the characters imo

What happens if someone from Japan or China moves to a country without Chinese characters and doesn't read any text from their home country for 5 years. Will they still be able to read newspapers?

Might be enough for writing but no way is it enough for reading.

Just the HSK vocab (~5000 words, supposedly having high intersection with the actual most frequent 5k) has something like 2500 hanzi in it. Natives usually passively know at the very least 15k words.

yes, they could end up forgetting a few of the more exotic characters but the majority will be stuck in their long term memory forever

시작했지만 힘들어
너무 많이 있고 시간이 별로 없어~

>Natives usually passively know at the very least 15k words.

jesus

ㅋ 그러면 왜 이스래드를 만들었어? 그냥 궁금해? 나중에 일본어/중국어 배울거야?

나도 일본어/중국어 배우고 싶어, 사실..

Good luck in any case

Isn't most Kanji based around a few ones?
Like one kanji combined with some others can make up an entirely different meaning? Also, isnt' there some shit with added lines giving some extra meaning?

because weeabooism, why else

That's the average vocabulary a non-native English speaker has.
That is if, they're not some poo or chink and have at least above intermediate level of proficiency.

ㅅㅂ 한국어...

왜?

>Isn't most Kanji based around a few ones?
yes, they're called radicals
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>Natives usually passively know at the very least 15k words
what language you're talking about?
my chinese friend said it was "only" between the 5000 and 7000, every other hanzi has like 29+ strokes and you will only find on ancient literature

>what language you're talking about?
all of them used by first world countries
>my chinese friend said it was "only" between the 5000 and 7000
15k+ words, not 15k+ hanzi
5k-7k sounds believable, and would probably correspond to an educated adult with 25k+ passive vocab

물론이죠! 한자어 배우면 일본어도 배울거예요. 문법도 비슷해!

니들 게이냐? 아니면 여자야? 니들 말투가 여자같아서 싫다

that's too much. I think even 2000 would be out of my league..

I assume that's words not hanzi

>words
Wait what do you mean by "words", if not "hanzi"? Do you mean, "漢字" is 2 hanzi but only 1 word? Is that what you mean?

Do Koreans still understand mixed Hanja-Hangul script?

>t. 짱깨

우리 선생님이 다 여자라서 이렇게 한국어 공부했어 ㅜㅜ

>15k+ words, not 15k+ hanzi
AH! yeah of course, like said that's the average vocabulary of any language

2000 is the minimum for the Japanese Language Proficiency Test. but where 2000 fit, 2005 fit, then 2010, then 2100... it's just a matter of getting used to their use

>Do you mean, "漢字" is 2 hanzi but only 1 word? Is that what you mean?
yeah it's what i understood at least

>문법도 비슷해!

맞아...

But the fucking Kanji...

now i see why you made this

also

>일본어 배우고 싶다
>위아부아니다
>일본어 배우면 위아부랑 이야기해야 돼
>그 느낌

나는 케이팝 좋아요

t. Koreaboo

8/10 한글
한국사람이 시칠리아 여행가면 위험하냐? 마피아 만나면 죽는거 아니냐?

6.5/10 한글

>6.5/10 한글

진짜? 나는 이 언어를 ~8달 동안 배우고 있어

I would have thought 4/10

귀여운 싱가포르 여자라면 괜찮아 고등학생이야?

너 한글맞춤법 정확하다 그런데 문체가 여성적이야 한국영화중에서 신세계나 비열한 거리같은거 보면서 한국남자말투 공부해라

문장이 조금 어색하지만 괜찮은 편이다 한국사람들이 영어를 교과서처럼하는데 그것처럼 네 한글도 그래 그런데 너도 여자같은 문체다

Don't wanna make different thread so I will ask here. What nonslavic language should I learn?

설명해줘서 고마워

>너도 여자같은 문체다

여자야..

유어웰컴
거짓말하지마 나중에 벌받는다

What do Japanese people do when they come across new characters? Consult a dictionary? I really have no idea how Japanese works.

ayy lmao hieroglyphics desu

you check the radical in a dictionary and look for the specific sign you need

radicals are the core symbols of any kanji sign

Yes
In old dictionaries you had to find the "main radical" and search a paper dictionary by that. You can use the "Stroke count" to help your search

These days, you can draw the kanji on a litte white square and the dictionary will find it, or you have more efficient search mechanisms like jisho.org/#radical

Also, it is often possible to guess the pronunciation of a character that you haven't seen before, so you can try a couple guesses if you're feeling lucky

I don't even know if i know 1000 yet
But I recognize a ton but it's still not enough

>거짓말하지마 나중에 벌받는다

No.

Source: I can't read any more.

Sorry. Do you know how many years it took to forget them?

you need 2000 kanji

니가 여자라면 손목 좀 보여줘

Does the look of a character at all correspond with how it's pronounced?

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