How harsh is westernization in your country, int? In Russia it's pretty severe, and I am really tired of it...

Who are some good Russian movie directors, particularly modern ones? Also, is Tarkovsky any good?

>wealthy people
>Subway, Burger King or Mcdonalds
>Iphones

>wealthy people
>eating Subway, Burger King or Mcdonalds,
Well memed my friend

The amount of capitalism embraced by a people varies when they westernize.
You could end up like Ecuador, China, or South Korea. It's a toss up, but in the end you can really only blame your own people for it.

we south koreans even likes usa a lot we are still fond of our tv shows and music also movies and we use samsung and lg phones

>easter
>isn't celebrated in the east
Wat?

>But it`s not celebrated in the east.
What? It's celebrates by all Christians. Orthodox Christians celebrate it together in Jerusalem, Arabs, Russians, Assyrians, Greeks, Georgians etc.
It was popular in USSR but not now. 2bh I liked some their movies when I was a child, especially Disco dancer. Jimi jimi, acha acha. Tutututu tuturturutu.
But why? What's that special about their culture people like it that much. I was in Egypt 2 years ago, most of young Arabs looked like an average European nu male, even more gay. And those are fucking conservative Arabs, no need to talk about way less conservative Latin America or Russia.

Anglofication got so prevalent here for a time there was a slight backlash because it got annoying and now it rebound to a more reasonable degree.

>halloween
This is indeed upsetting.

And fattening.

Such is life in Brazil. This country is depressive.

some of his works are worth watching. stalker is the best for me. the storytelling is a bit old fashioned though.

What's up with ruskie prasing apple products. I was talking to this one ruska girl who was willing to sell her virginity for my shitty old Macbook

>diabeteshake

Are you honestly so poor that shitty fast food is a luxury?

Balabanov, Zvyagintsev, Uchitel'. Tarkovsky is god of cinema. Watch Brat, Brat 2, Ostrov, Zmurki, Bumer, Yulen'ka, Tsar, Nochnoy dozor, Turetskiy Gambit, DMB, Voyna, Den' Radio, Den' Vyborov, O Chem Govoryat muzhchiny.

>Russian culture is associated with old people.
Shit that's bad, i feel sad for it user
>Tell me about westernization in your country
There are some edgy little bastards who use english in their daily speak, thinking they look cooler that way, which makes me cringe
And unlike south korea, we're addicted to w*stern brands

>Deutsche Bank publishes an annual report comparing prices for a wide range of products around the world, and Business Insider pulled out average prices for the iPhone 6.

It shows that the most expensive place in the world to buy an iPhone is Brazil, where an iPhone costs more than one-and-a-half times as much as in the USA.

>amerifat knows nothing about poor countries
even in china and southeast asia mcdonalds is a luxury restaurant

In Brazil fast food has always been a thing for wealthy people.

In Brazil, a Mcdonalds is that special meal you eat once a year for that special day like birthday or maybe Christmas.

>This country is depressive.
>Bunda all day siesta all night
>depressive
Try living here m8, you wouldn't survive a few weeks

remind me why we shouldn't invade/annex your shithole continent again?

Just consider she wasn`t virgin.

depressing :(

They aren't btw, but McDonalds became very expensive here iin a few last years when Putin fucked up our economy.
Because all non Europeans fap to Apple, Russians, Chinese, Arabs etc. It's a status thing here, like an expensive car or suit.

you have giraffas

Her ass was untouched most likely desu

good balanced mix of slav and western culture
though current youth is slowly being nationalised and starts to hate west, i hope its not going to end bad

>we're addicted to w*stern brands
Same. Nike clothes and sneakers, joggers, iPhone, American produced e-cig, Jack Daniels whiskey, Mersedes Gelengwagen or Porsche Cayenne - set of fashionable rich Russian now.

By westernisation you mean americanisation?

Nice digits btw

I'm from South Brazil, where everyone has an aggressive frown on their faces and girls think their vaginas are coated with gold.

Not even Portugal wants it.

Aren't you the Korean who got kissed by Brazilian girl and now you love Brazil because of that?

No Giraffas here in Rio Grande do Sul, so no wonder i never heard about it.

Nice quads friend, but I think you're mistaking Americanizing with Westernizing, we are all Western societies even if those descending form Hellene Byzantine tradition sometimes see yourselves as Eastern this is only in relation to the western Roman empire, not the world. It's a tradition of classic Greco-Roman culture that makes you a Westerner, not McDonald's and Nike.

Our rulers have gradually soul our economy soul to United States in exchange for personal favors $$$ at the cost of a great potential for having the resources and deliberately not making the most of them

We have been brainwashed that being a work slave is a "better life"

>McDonalds became very expensive here
How much for a big Mac combo? 10PLN here and it's already too much for this kankeer desu

People actually use English words and love to name stuff in English instead of Swedish.

Maybe if Russia started producing something other than oil and wars you wouldn't have this problem

It is celebrated in the east, in the middle-east

>but McDonalds became very expensive here iin a few last years when Putin fucked up our economy.

Now you see how it feels to be Brazilian. Been living like for 28 years. You just started experiencing it.

Thank God i already ordered my bottle of Nembutal.

>kids dressing like bimbos / gangsters
>metrosexuals becoming normal
>fuckboy hairdo is popular here now (hopefully not for long)
>shopping malls have become popularized
>tv-shows are god awful with shitty humor
>tv is 80% advertisement, shows get cut to commercial break 4-7 times depending on length
it's the little things like that that nag me, oh also the fucking PC mentality, thanks a lot murrican carpetmunchers

>Aren't you the Korean who got kissed by Brazilian girl and now you love Brazil because of that?No Giraffas here in Rio Grande do Sul, so no wonder i never heard about it.
but she was from rio de janeiro she was a japanese-brasilain exchange student anyway it was funny she was a hard koreaboo and she doesn't like japanese thing

It's ok for swedes to speak english imo
You're in the same language group so why would you care?

No its not. In Sweden everybody hates America but love everything that comes from there

>metrosexuals becoming normal
>mfw finnish boipucci is becoming more prevalent

Still different languages and that heavily matters.
Language is the biggest step to cultural shift.

Sounds a bit like Poland-Russia. We hate the country and its politics but love the cultural stuff they produce

Westernization is westernization. Western culture is pretty all the same from USA to Poland 2bh.
Lolno, everyone in Russia hates the West and obviously doesn't consider ourselves a part of the West. We barely contacted with the West before 18th century and most of the history of our interaction is when we fought them.
Mac combo? What?
Big mac costs 140 roubles, i.e. 2$
Lel, we lived like that all the 90s, rich 00s just were a little rest.
Easter is celebrated by all orthodoxes, including ME ones, of course. Orthodox Arabs are significant part of Arab people and history. Ioann Damaskin, one of our biggest saints, was a Great Vizir in Caliphate, half of our saints are Syrians, Baath party was created by orthodox Arab.

i think the uk and all the western and nordic europeans are the hypocrites they hate to say love usa but they loves hollywoodshit so much

>but love the cultural stuff they produce
Lmao what
>Mac combo? What?
Aka bigmac + chips + refill

You lucky Gook. No such a thing as female Brazilboo, so i die with nothing.

It kind of sucks

>We hate the country and its politics
>poles
>the biggest cucks to the West on a planet

Westernisation and americanisation are different things.

Also, nobody really hate the west or anyone.

Sweden is beyond saving

>be brown
>go to Europe
Free Pucci everywhere

Russian music (modern and classic), ballet, literature and more recently recently video games and cinemathography are well liked in Poland. No one will hate you for liking those things unlike saying "I like Putin", on the contrary - it will often make you appear as a cultured person.

You should try coming out of your basement once in a while.

>No such a thing as female Brazilboo
there are some football sluts some 6/10 grills are crazy football fans

And Peter the Great is probably rolling on his grave, Russian culture is not Eastern aka Asian and you people traditionally study the Western canon (philosophy, history, fine arts, science) of which Dostoievsky and Tolstoi are certainly a part.

Seriously man, your religiosity is Orthodox that means ties to Byzantine culture.

>implying we're not in the western cultural sphere already

>Western culture is pretty all the same from USA to Poland 2bh
Not really. Argentina for example followed Europe, mostly France, Italy and UK in everything (culture, government, etc). Since the 60s onwards it became more and more (and more explicitly) Americanised and the difference is striking.

This country became a worse garbage than before. Americanisation has worse effects on some populations and argentinians arrogance and stupidity became even worse with U$A culture than Europe.

I have no idea. I live near hipsters, track suited gypsies, Tibetans doing their traditional Tibetan things and old Polish and Portuguese grandmas. And I don't watch television.

Russian culture is Eurasian, mix of both European and Asian ones. Peter westernized our elites but people remained totally non western, after 1917 all that have mixed and we are 50/50. And pre-Peter culture wasn't European at all, lol. We borrowed a lot from turks and finns.
Tolstoevsky were the part of elite class who was European, but ancestors of overwhelming majority of Russians were not.
Orthodoxy is believed among Arabs, Georgians, Armenians, would you call them western too, lol?
And the main thing no one in Russia considers ourselves western.

>Georgians, Armenians

Yes

>Arabs

Oriental orthodoxy diverged before your orthodoxy, their church used to be called "nestorian" and nestorianism happens to be a major heresy in western churches. Arabs themselves are borderline west, if Islam never happened and they turned to the cross, they'd be also considered western

>and girls think their vaginas are coated with gold.
Elaborate.

They're snobby and conceited. If you have interacted with white Los Angeles girls from Orange county, then you get the idea, South Brazilian girls behave like that but with an extra liberal touch that only Swedish girls could match.

No, nestorianism is different, I am talking about orthodoxy. There Assyrian church which is different, but I am talking about Jerusalem patriarchat, Antiochy patriarchat etc. They are of the same faith. Arab Christians of Syria, Palestine and many Lebanese are orthodoxes.
I am not even talking that majority of Christians are Africans, Latinos, Philippinians, are they western too?
>Armenians
>Georgians
>western
Lolwhat? The are genuine kebab.

>Jerusalem patriarchat, Antiochy patriarchat etc.

Only orthodox since late 19th century and only because they wrongly belived strong Russian will protect them.

>Lolwhat? The are genuine kebab.

So are greeks and everybody considers them to be westerners.

Пиздa тeбe чёpт, я выeхaл.

>Turkish soap operas are popular
what
is it true?

Because you guys don't have balls to xo that

Russian culture is russian and Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky have nothing to do with you, you dicksucking western shit. Go fuck yourself.

Bceм пpивeтик

Watch Domashniy.
Lolno, they have been orthodoxes since the invention of Christianity. Open Wikipedia, m8.
>greeks
Greeks are western by their culture while Armenians are genuine sandniggers. I bet you have never seen or talked to Georgians or Armenians.

I thought only asians use the term west or westerners to refer to europe

aren't russia european?

Because russia is a crap and our movies are crap, pidr

>aren't russia european?
No. We are Eurasian, half Europe, half Asia. Most of Russians have pretty anti-western attitudes, John.

I fully agree with you and it's a horror. Russia has a strong culture and back in the days everyone embraced it, no matter age. Your culture has faded and the younger generation are less disciplined. But most important, never let the feminism become mainstream in Russia.

I miss the old Soviet Union. Like damn, even the multiki was better back in the days.

They apparently don't seem to think so. It will be weird thinking of Tchaikovsky as oriental music.

Is this a joke? Are British Indonesian?

>If it is not european, then it is oriental
Are all Mexicans this dumb?

>my country is a special snowflake

Here in Slovakia, American fast food is not exactly a luxury, far from it, but it is not a cheap meal either. McDonalds is mostly visited by the youth and by middle class people who have money, but lack time and want a quick meal.

However, meals of better quality are available for cheaper from buffets and small restaurants, consider that some McNuggets menu can cost over 5 euro yet some restaurants offer pre-cooked meals (normal food, like schnitzel with rice or fries or goulash, soup included) for 3.5 euro (it is called a "daily menu") and employers give people "meal tickets" they can use in restaurants instead of money and one meal ticket is usually the value of 1 such meal.

Add cheap langoš booths and Asian fast food restaurants where you can buy half a kilo of Asian food for 3 euro and you can see why McDonalds is not the "poor man's" choice for food. It is not a luxury for the rich through, those go to real luxurious restaurants.

>And the main thing no one in Russia considers ourselves western.
Wow wow Manya, easy there!

Plenty of Russians are starting the engine of their tractors nowadays just to have nothing in common with such degenerate as you.

Russian media are using this term 24/7 cuz Putin hates freedom and supports islamic and communist dictatorships like his one so he needs russian people hate america and the eu

Not everyone lives in a former colony without history or culture.

Australia is better than russia at any aspect

>Plenty of Russians are starting the engine of their tractors nowadays

And nobody of them have the money or guts to be more than a pawn shop janitor in the western world.

Caп, бб. Кoaкcилиcт в тpeдe. Я к вaм, yж нe oбeccyдьтe.

>Russian culture is not Eastern aka Asian and you people traditionally study the Western canon

We are not and were never Western. Our original culture barely has anything to do with Europe.

Russians have been for centuries, if not millennia, brainwashed into thinking that they are somehow different, even during the Tsarist times the russians were told that there is a special russian way, which was used as an excuse for every flaw
>why do we still have severe serfdom, borderline slavery in 19th century?
we are unique brat
>why aren't we industrialised like the English
our unique eastern way my man
>the french are talking about equality, fraternity and stuff, can we have it?
nah, the french have their own way and we have our way, now work my fields you flithy serf

truth is that the western way is intrinsically successful, not the modern PC crap, but the western culture of the previous centuries, thats why any nation that imitated the west prospered, and why monarchs and tyrants that wanted to hold on to their power tried to convince the plebs that their states are somehow "unique" and the western way is simply not applicable

russian subculture and artists are now in the golden era imo. they are far better than any of those well known figures who soulless academics and pretentious critics blindly worship, at least to me. you all will never know of these todays russian young artists who have never relied on any power, authority, money and media, what they have done, where they are actually active, even if you are a russian.

Xenopatriotism is soooo much better than common sense, лiл.

Khokhol, please!
It's obvious that only well-educated and high qualified specialists are able to leave their homeland wherever it be without losing anything. Don't judge people by your own standards if you're a Polish apple harvester or French femme de ménage.

Katsap, please!
Well-educated and high qualified specialists don't leave their country, as their country cares of them and appreciates them. Russians are having wet dreams about western life without moving a finger, and when (by some accident), such a Russian is thrown into modern world, he
maxes as a prison cook. They really should quit dreaming and whining, and try to do something to pull out their fingers from their assholes.

Salo uronili

Vladimir Putin - molodets!!

Vova budet prichislen k liku svyatih

I'm not speaking about the general population of Russia but the most talented ones. They are already leave or being prepared. And I've met many Slavs in Europe (both of our nations) whose are reached much more than you said. There are some exceptions either, I wouldn't argue with that.

Tell me plz what the main reason why Slavs leave their home and move to another country, what encourage them to do so?

>original Slav style
what are you fucking talking about? wearing kosovorotka, lapti as shoes, playing balalaika and drinking medovukha in honor of ivan kupala's night? Original slav style is a myth.

Don't really care

>Den' Radio, Den' Vyborov, O Chem Govoryat muzhchiny.
stop right there criminal scum

I have no any patriotism you're stupid idiot. I see a crap i say about the crap. Russia is a shit so i just say it

And apparently you don't understand irony, google beaux arts next time you're bored.

>there was a slight backlash because it got annoying
Same here, young people will make fun of you who if you mix Dutch with english

We are America junior now Tbh

I would say Dostoevsky is actually a good example of the emerging Russian culture, especially when contrasted with a Petrinist writer like Tolstoy.
There are western thinkers that have believed so too, both famous people like Nietzsche and less famous people like Oswald Spengler. Personally I think they were right, and that the revolution (marxism being very western) ironically is what may have begun the process of emancipating the Eurasian culture.

American culture is root kvass, country music, cowboys with their hats and puritanism. Everything else is globalist culture and actual american culture is in the same position as russian, it's just yonger and was more modern than russian one so it survived.

*root beer

>though current youth is slowly being nationalised and starts to hate west, i hope its not going to end bad
pls no ;_;

It's pretty bad. People have even started to believe they are westerners.

>country music, cowboys with their hats and puritanism
It's a culture of few states in 40s. What are you talking about?
I gonna move too but it doesn't make me think Russian culture is European. We barely had any interaction with Europe before Petr - some feeble trade only. We interacted way more with the East - Finns, various Turkic people in Horde, before Horde - polovtsy, khazary. Then Petr came and totally westernized elites and governmental system. Eventually original low class Asian and high class European cultures had merged in one during soviet era and our culture is Eurasian now, combining features of both continents.
Modern western culture is the evolution of previous stages of western culture. And I think all the other cultures for the same way, Europe is just ahead all the planet. There are some their genuine traits but many things we associate with the West are actually belong to all the humankind, West just has evolved further.

I once met an arab who was proud to be white, not like those niggers.

Isn't Netherlands Western?
>Dostoievsky
Lol, he is the most anti-western writer in Russian culture. Are you serious? Dostoevsky was a radical conservative monarchist who perceived Russia as the unique civilization inherently opposed to the West (and Jews). He even didn't wanted to liberate Balkan Slavs because he had been anticipating they would leave Russia and align to the West.
>Seriously man, your religiosity is Orthodox that means ties to Byzantine culture
Which was a base for all MENA culture, especially for Turkey. So? Many Arabs are orthodoxes, I don't think you would consider Palestinians western.

It's a very common things among Arabs, because they appreciate themselves as white. For most of their history only other race they contacted with were blacks so Arabs considered themselves white, and black people in Africa considers Arabs white too. Arabs also are very racist towards black people because of a long history of Arab slave trade. About the hatred between Arabs and blacks you should google Zanzibar massacre.

Dostoevsky's writing is more easy to relate to as a westerner than any other russian writer I've read (Bulgakov, Goncharov, Tolstoy, etc.)

Yes, Russian culture only started to emerge in the 19th century, definitely.
>Petrinist
What the fuck does it even mean?

You can't even understand what he was writing about, let alone relate, lol. Russian literature can only be understood by Russians, don't kid yourself. It is incompatible with the western/european culture.

I will talk about amirecanization : french culture is not dying ant I don't consider that as an important problem but :

There is a paradoxical situation : the less educated tend to believe all american things are classy but they don't speak, read or study anything.

They like to wear ugly t-shirts with texts like
"New jersey boating club 1983" 'cause english is cool bro.

Due to various cartoons we know many useless things about american folklore and customs. Thanks to south park we know many minor celebrities too.

Uneducated parents giving american names from series in the 80-90's, Brian, Brandon etc...so a "Kevin" is synonym to stupid kid here.

Thinking McDonalds or KFS is a cool place to meet.

Thinking our movies are lame and boring and giving money to extrashitty US blockbusters, like they will happily see fast and furious 42 in a few years.

The majority of our rock bands sing in english, because it's more simple and people will not notice bad accent or stupid lyrics
rappers sing in french though, but they recycle trends from the US, there was full gangsta mode, now it's trap music

Cults like evangelists and LDS are growing

Brainwashed french people who thinks american are the good ones, but they just serve their own interests

Rude.

muh russian soul is the WE WUZ KANGS of the literature world

Westerners pretending that they like Russian literature for that sweet worldly cred is cringe incarnate. You have your own authors, leave ours alone.

Do they ever consume nice americana like Moby Dick, A Confederacy of Dunces, The Godfather, The Twilight Zone, or Miles Davis?

Why can't we read authors irrespective of which cunt they're from?

You can read whatever you want, obviously. Just don't pretend to understand what they are writing about, it is embarrassing.

I know more about Russian lit than you, Sergei.

>stop culturally appropriating muh culture you're triggering me

You sound like american SJWs, I guess you really are westernised

Russian lit is nice and dreary and comfy. Kind of like watching Threads

I recommend you to try Sviridov and Gavrilin. Their music are true russian.

That means you don't really understand what he was writing about.

As the anglo/us culture is the most present, all your great pieces of litterature are translated, all your genres of music are listened.

The godfather series is popular, scarface also is a cult film in the suburbs; like every low level dealer fantasies about being Tony Montana.

I didn't know twilight zone and can't say JK Toole is famous, but writers like Poe, Hemingway, HS Thompson, Stephen King, Brett Easton Ellis or Bukovsky are.
DFW is translated but not well known, french readers have also great interest in russian litterature.

Imo anglo culture is like the second culture of everybody now.

2bh Letov music is the embodiment of Russian spirit.

>But why? What's that special about their culture people like it that much

Easy--Western/European culture is associated with civilization and whiteness. (^:

Thanks user, this is nice to know. What nice french work should I move on to? I enjoyed The Stranger, Journey to the End of the Night, and a bunch of Godard's 60s films (tfw Ana Karina became the closest thing to a waifu I've had)

>I didn't know twilight zone
You should try it, it's comfy and has a lot of masterpiece episodes.

Sure you do, Tyrone

It's funny because while America is slowly "Mexicanising", Mexico is slowly Americanising. Globalism is a bitch.

Why don't Russians celebrate Easter?

But it's always been like that since Peter the Great. In tsarist times, the upper class spoke French and wore the latest Parisian fashions. Russian culture was just for illiterate peasants.

Stalin was a big enthusiast of Gene Autry, John Wayne, and other cowboy movie crap.

During the (late) Soviet era, kids would listen to bootleg Queen and Motorhead cassettes. When Metallica played in Moscow in 1991, as many as two million people attended.

We celebrate ПACХA, not your western degenerate shit, called "easter"

Poe was always more popular in Europe than America, especially back in the 19th century. The America of the Manifest Destiny age was too optimistic for his brand of Gothic horror.

>muh western degenerates
Russia is just as, if not more degenerate than the West

itt: Many Ruskies in denial.

"Standing alone in the world, we have given nothing to the world, we have learned nothing from the world, we have not added a single idea to the mass of human ideas, we have made no contribution to the progress of the human spirit, and everything that has come to us from that spirit, we have disfigured. Today we form a gap in the intellectual order."

-- Pytor Chaadayev (who was declared insane by Nicholas I and placed under house arrest and medical care)

Russia is pure

Now you understand.

I am really glad, that the West slowly becomes Russia

my countymen slice their eyelids to look more western, play golf, and converted to Christianity en mass

they are even forcing cow pus and blood down everyone's throat these days

That doesn’t matter though. You can’t understand everything so why even try?

>Thinking our movies are lame and boring
they are

Everywhere is slowly becoming everywhere, that's the result of globalisation.

>they are even forcing cow pus and blood down everyone's throat these days
wat

But Russia is not good example to copy from

Russia is best described as a European country that never quite left the Middle Ages. The Mongol conquests left it isolated from the Renaissance and Reformation.

"milk" is subsidized in elementary schools now

neither are 90% of the other countries

Having McDonald's and watching american tv-shows =/= being westernized, stop being so dramatic. West is dying already.

Maybe because our cinema is pure shit?

Russia belongs to Asia
t.vietnamese

kek. How is that possible? We have high taxes and salaries, and yet you can get 3 cheeseburgers for 30 SEK, thats €3,11 or R$11.27.

That I can agree with. I watched maybe 10 Russian and Soviet movies and they sucked, but modern films sucked less.

That is not what I said. Dostoyevsky is a better expression of Russian/Eurasian culture than the comparatively western, francophilic Tolstoy.

Petrinism is the term Oswald Spengler uses to refer to the westernizing reforms and influence of Peter the Great.

Peter the great and Ivan IV rolling in their graves

Probably government’s fault. Like, Brazil is failing to subsidize the farmers, and you don’t.

>Thinking our movies are lame and boring
well they actually are, not the old ones but the current french movies are complete shit.

You have >20 mcdonalds outlets per mln ppls

>rappers sing in french though, but they recycle trends from the US, there was full gangsta mode, now it's trap music
Aren't all your rappers just Arabs and niggers?

das racist

The Netherlands are the most western country in the world.
>First Republic of the modern times
>invented capitalism
>freedom of religion
>freedom of pres
>frredom of thought
>first multinational
>one of the most important regions during the Renaissance.

>invented capitalism
that was jews

I bet you eat Mcdonalds all the time and watches Game of Thrones and that shitty Robot TV show or whatever it is. Traitor.

Looks like OP had himself some nice juicy member berries

We imported jews from Spain and Portugal

Dostoyevsky is probably the most popular Russian writer among Western countries because he fuels all the negative stereotypes of Russians we have. "Yeah, told you they're all dumb Asiatic barbarians who think the French Revolution was a Jewish conspiracy to corrupt Holy Russia. Now gib Poland missile shield."

So people in your countries just use us/USA as a second culture?

> T-shirts with texts like "New Jersey Boating Club 1983"

KEK, this is so like our regular "sport" t-shirts you buy to wear when exercising. I remember wearing one of those in Turkey, it said "California runners" on the front.

Some smug brown turkshit t-shirt vendor started going;
> ""EYYY BUY MY T-SHIRTS BUY"
"No, they are ugly"
> "EyYYYY UR T-shirt SO UGLY U EVEN BEEN CALIFORNIA??"
"Yes I have, FU"

God I hate turkshits. Why did I go to that rat nest of a country.

he was polish

>Tolstoy
>francophilic

Never thought Cred Forums would become a hub for melancholic nostalgiafags. The next step is to start making memes about your nostalgic feelings like 9gag.

The other factor is probably Orthodoxy, which doesn't value education as much as Catholicism or Protestantism, it also has the medieval notion that man is the slave of God rather than the child of God.

What do you think about 20s century russian literature?

Among 20th century writers probably the one most Westerners have heard of was Solzhenitsin although he was also an Orthodox monarchist.

Are you really calling Tolstoy a 'westernized author'? Is this for real? You have absolutely zero idea what you are talking about, holy crap. This was the most dumb, ignorant thing I have ever seen. Thanks for the laugh, I needed it. Western knowledge of russian culture is top notch.

>This country became a worse garbage than before. Americanisation has worse effects on some populations and argentinians arrogance and stupidity became even worse with U$A culture than Europe
Probably because American culture is much more...bombastic than European culture.

I know, right.

I assumed he had him confused with Pushkin.

>muh GULAG
Fuck, I forget the surname of anoter writer, who also wrote a lot about GULAG. Btw, somebody consider his description of his camp live even more brutal than Solzhenitsin

And then of all things, they decided to replace the tsar with a socioeconomic system invented by a self-hating German Jew and which was equally as foreign and Western as Voltaire.

Do they still squat?

>Pushkin
>westernized
>francophilic
My sides are officially in orbit. This thread is the best.

>Russian Jews sponsored by Western Jews decided to replace the tsar with a socioeconomic system invented by a self-hating German Jew
FTFY

Americans own us, body and soul.

Tolstoy was heavily influenced by french writers, specifically Victor hugo

Look closely and you’ll see the signs.

Don't just stopvthere, please, continue. Tell me more about Russian literature.

Glad you’re having fun.

>WE

cause you just know about our shitty movies with famous actors playing dysfunctional bourgeois with couple problems
It's like saying all english litterature is Agatha Christie

cool french movies from the 1990-2010 ( idk if subs are easily avaliable)

Jan Kounen : 99 francs, Blueberry / the renegate, Dobermann

Jean Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro : Delicatessen, city of lost children

probably our best teen movie : les beaux gosses / the french kissers

classical comedies : la cité de la peur, les visiteurs1, les trois frères/the three brothers
some older comedies with Louis de Funès

Jean Pierre Melville, Jacques Tati, Eric Rohmer for the classics

A good part but they still sing in french.

You're right, but his philosophy was anything but westernized or francophilic.

Aren't most south east asians lactose intolerant?

Also, do koreans hate mothers milk as well?

I understand you disliking milk, but that comparison limps a bit.

It’s a logical contradiction. You’re not making any sense.

There's not enough land space to justify having cows for dairy farms, and its a pretty western thing, at least in my mind to drink milk regularly

It is not only east asians who are lactose intolerant

breast feeding actually seems very big here

Because he's either a troll or a piss-poor butthurt retard
I'm not even middle class and still I can afford to eat at these fast-food restaurants every time I go out with my friends
It's not a luxury, but it is convenient. No brazilian would ever leave their house with the sole intention of specifically eating at a fast-food restaurant

Actually true, anglos only got big by copying you and stealing your (Henry of) Oranges.

>Tfw "of german blood".

but isn't that one of the factors that young koreans are getting taller?

It's not. Tolstoy indeed loved France, French writers and philosophers, but his own views were independent and mostly pro-Russian.

That’s impossible. You have to be schizophrenic to pull that out.

A lot of northern asiatic people and nignogs also drink milk, also ayy-rabs.
I agree its not economical, I just disliked the pus comparison.

Easter is an universal chrisitan holiday

We call it Paste

I don't understand why you find it impossible.

The truth is more complicated than that. If you go back to the early history of Russia in the Middle Ages, definitely it was European as opposed to Asiatic, but what happened then was the Mongol conquests and subsequent isolation from Europe that led to Russians adopting Asiatic culture in various ways. Despite Peter the Great's attempts to impose Westernization, he ultimately could not prevail against the country's sheer size and poverty.

>Tolstoy indeed loved France, French writers and philosophers
Jesus, take the wheel

Evangelical isn't a religion

>I'm not even middle class

Yeah you're probably upper class.

That's quite commonly known fact from his biography.

I think communism destroyed Russian culture far more effectively than anything Peter the Great could have done. Before 1917, there was the differentiation between the Europeanized aristocracy and the peasant culture, but communism obliterated the traditional village life that formed the backbone of that culture.

What do you think Russia would be like if communism had never have taken hold there?

While true, as things would have it, communism ended up being easy to establish in a peasant society without much of a middle class and which had a history of an all-power authoritarian state.

Less angry and suicidal, I guess.

You guys aren't. You just gobble up cheap pop culture trash while ignoring actual culture and tradition.

It may have become a constitutional monarchy in time, certainly Russia was making significant progress in terms of civilizing in the last 60-70 years before the revolution. All it took was one great catastrophe with WWI to set them back 300 years.

I can’t explain! It’s just a contradiction. Tolstoy loved France, but he didn’t is what you’re saying to me.

Honestly if the tzar would've stayed in power for a bit longer things would've been different as the were starting to build up their war industry and the u.k negotiated a massive supply deal for them for US goods. They were a few months from being shipped when the tzar was killed

During the early 20th century, there was still a fundamental weakness in Russian culture that allowed Stalin to happen just as Germany still had a fundamental weakness somewhere that allowed Hitler to happen. This did not happen in the US or Britain or the Netherlands or other countries with a more solid democratic foundation.

a few mcdonalds arent going to change mexico, its a deeply rooted culture

>During the early 20th century, there was still a fundamental weakness in Russian culture that allowed Stalin to happen just as Germany still had a fundamental weakness somewhere that allowed Hitler to happen
Just as America has a fundamental weakness that will allow Trump to happen

Yeah, no matter how they try, Mexico will never stop being an uncivilized shithole where the president gets decapitated if he says anything bad about the cartels.

t. butthurt shitskin

>communism obliterated the traditional village life
>All it took was one great catastrophe with WWI to set them back 300 years.

I'd like to debate on these subjects if it wasn't 11 p.m.
>During the early 20th century, there was still a fundamental weakness in Russian culture that allowed Stalin to happen just as Germany still had a fundamental weakness somewhere that allowed Hitler to happen.

I believe there's little to connection between culture and ascension of Stalin and Hitler.

I love Russia!

youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

not an argument

Don't bother with him. He is your typical Latin leftist who blames the us for everything.

Well...we still love following our dear leader.
Just look how people still follow Merkel and how people rather think diferent opinions are wrong thsn just..different.

We still have a lot of authoritarian baggage.

Hillary is as bad, its a decision between typhus or cholera basically.

Hilary is SNAFU
Trump is FUBAR

Whoever gets elected, it's still a fundamental weakness in the American system. You'd think a nation of 350+ million could produce at least 2 slightly qualified candidates, apparently not.

>people rather think diferent opinions are wrong thsn just..different
That's only logical. Opposite implies that there are several right opinions instead of just one or there's no right opinion at all. Both cases are equally absurd.

The thing you must understand about Russia is that it never achieved any high culture on its own. Russian culture is essentially peasant culture and since Peter the Great, the upper class just followed European culture.

This was an important distinction compared with a country like China which did have its own independently developed high culture/literature/art whatever (although communism has since destroyed it).

Russia has great ballets and stuff, also all cultures succumb to external influences to an extent

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>there's no right opinion at all
That’s pretty much what I believe in. My opinon is wrong, and so is everyone else’s.

A good example would be the hypothetical scenario of arguing for and against automatic or stick shift in looking for a car.

Both are acceptable and have their advantages, but being rabidly for one is bullshit.

I believe there is allwaysa "best" decision, but good luck finding it and even more luck in trying to convince everyone.

Life is about compromises.

But I digress.

Democracy lives by struggling with multiple ideas and critically thinking which is best, not following the party line unquestionably.

I get it, we should all vote for Gary Johnson and legalize w33d. 420blazeit, man.

Do you believe in some "ultimate opinion" that is right, but it's so much out of this world that people can't even comprehend it? Or do you just believe all opinions are wrong?

ou j'ai eu un flash
hou hou hou

Proofs?

t. gypsy

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Your system is fucked, you need BIG reforms.

>In Russia it's pretty severe, and I am really tired of it. Our bydlos has abandoned their original Slav style and now they cosplay English chavs. Youth are all about hip hop, trap music. Tons of words are borrowed into Russian from English, often instead of old Russian ones. No one is watching our cinema anymore, everyone watches western only. All the TV shows are copies of western ones (well, Turkish soap operas are popular, but it's only non western thing I can remember). Majority of youth wants to move to the West. Russian culture is associated with old people.
We've been through the same thing in the last decade or two, now the bydło is going through some sort of padriodig revival. They wewuz like crazy and wear wacky turbopatriotic t-shirts. Pic related.

seriously, I'm seeing bydło wearing this stuff on a street every day

>celebrating פסח
JEWED.il

And beating up REAL polish intellectuals for speaking german with a friend from Jena.

Thats Bong tier.

Man they are ugly, if they were at least good looking.

Clear colours, shapes and borders.

More geometry and less eye cancer please.

The first one is themost acceptable by far though.

>Should I wear teutonic knight stuff now?

No, it is not. Americans abandoned milk in favor of soda/cola drinks and still getting taller. It's worldwide trend. You can get calcium from many sources.

That was all because of French culture. Prior to the 18th century, the Russian language was only used for religious and practical texts, there wasn't any literature and the language wasn't refined enough for that anyway.

Also ballet originated in Italy.

>ballets and stuf
Obviously a french culture.

glorious

A little bit of both. The ultimate opinion would be just physics but it’s not a right opinion either.

Our entire country was built on the Western World taking out the Indians.

Aka Panamad. That fucker has been all over our dick for years, ignore him.

Germany, Scandinavia, and East Asia tend to be that way, they're Borg collective sort of cultures where independence of thought is not encouraged.

As compared to the US, Britain, France, and the Netherlands which cultures have a high degree of individualism.

>mfw I'm actually BR
>come to live in Poland
>no free Pucci
>wonder why
>my family is polish immigrants to Brazil and I look fucking average here

FUCK.

Bydło's gonna bydło. But tbqh a punch in the face is not a broken bottle in the neck, so I guess we're not Bong tier just yet
>Man they are ugly
Yeah, we're reaching 'Murrica tier levels of tacky padriodism :-DDDD And the best thing is that these tards usually have no idea about events and characters on their T-shirts, they just wear it for show.
>Should I wear teutonic knight stuff now?
DAS RAYSIS

deep

That's what it's been ever since at least the 19th century. Russia is a source of raw materials for Europe using technology and infrastructure imported from Europe. :^)

Also most of the industrialization that happened under Stalin was thanks to Western companies, for example Ford built a whole bunch of car factories. During the Soviet era, they relied on massive industrial espionage to stay abreast of Western technology.

>starts to hate west
The "germoney YES bureaucratic leftcuck" kind of west, not "'murrica fuck yeah" kind of west. Poland is as pro-USA as it gets, which will probably bite us in the ass sooner or later. Poles are dumb and suck American dick even though we can't even go to USA without visas.

All of this is on point here as well, I think most of European cunts are more or less the same in this regard.

thanks user

No one person is 100% right or wrong, so we basically go along with Jeremy Bentham's idea of "the greatest happiness for the greatest number".

>and that the revolution (marxism being very western) ironically is what may have begun the process of emancipating the Eurasian culture
And then it really didn't since it ended up destroying said Eurasian cultures and turning everyone into an amorphous blob of "Soviet" people.

Now Putin, he's tried to create this so-called "Russosphere" which encompasses all the countries that have been influenced by Russia in some way (mostly a couple of Central Asian shitholes) and promoted the idea that Orthodoxy and Islam are brothers in arms, hoping that you forget about 1453 or how Russia fought wars with the Ottoman Empire for 300 years.

McDonalnds is pretty fucking good t bh

>Jack Daniels whiskey
I'm not seeing a problem with this.

>In Sweden everybody hates America

Just over five years ago there where no subways, only one over in stockholm airport maybe. But now those stinky shitty places are everywhere just like mcdonalds.

The worst shit is hearing kids and teenagers speak swenglish or just full on english constantly

thanks united states!

>culture was weaponised by an idiot and later bombed and raped out of my country
what the excuse from other european countries to succumb to the burger- and walmart untermensch culture?

t. indio

Sila is really good.

our country is slowly and painfully getting taken over by analbanians and turkroaches HELP

Being critical of authority, and in particularly being critical of the West, is as Western as you get. Add universalism (aka egalitarianism which Dostoievsky certainly included in his work) and what you have is the exact same line of thinking that created hippies. There's nothing more quintesentially Western than a fair skinned well educated class going Russeau's noble savage and idealizing some mostly made up misconception of a non Western tradition. We get more than our fair share of that in Mexico.

What are the Asian elements of Russian culture? Turkic peoples like the Khazaks? Indigenous Siberians? Do they get the same cultural visibility as the European Kievan Rus peoples that gave Russia its name?

We are a mix of cultures too you know and yet other than a fringe barely visible minority we all speak a Latin language, live in a latin culture and basically accept Western concepts as the basis for our world view, That we are the last heirs and custodians to one of the world's truly original civilizations doesn't mean we are not Western peoples who can actually trace their ancestry to citizens and subjects of the Roman empire.

If Russia is a special snowflake despite it's most populated regions being in geographical Europe and having been the historical source of its mainstream culture then that's a rather curious case. Even Huntingtn who did obviously require Russia to be non Western for his dumb fuck clash of civilizations theory to work admited Russia shared its cultural ancestry with the West even as he denied it underwent the renaissance and enlightenment, which I guess means there's no neo-classic architecture in Russia and that the existence of Catherine the Great's court was basically as much of a farce as Potemkin villages.

>actual mexican intellectual

>There's nothing more quintesentially Western than a fair skinned well educated class going Russeau's noble savage and idealizing some mostly made up misconception of a non Western tradition.

Im asian and that phenomenon pretty much happen thorough all asia, i think that phase is important for creation of strong national identity, as well as defining your people position after centuries of western domination in 20th century.
I mean without that, we would be complete western worshipper like philippine or lack vision and greater perception of ourself like african countries

i think thats why japan able to preserve its identity and able to create their distinct version of modern culture