So I think, as previous threads have established here...

So I think, as previous threads have established here, that Suburbia is fucking cancer upon this earth and should be firebombed out of existence, but then, what does Cred Forums consider the best urban trend out there? Does your country do better than Anglo urban sprawl?

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The suburbia is the answer to the non white invasion. Whites can live peacefuly in those places.

We don't really have them because there's no place to build suburbs like this anymore.

hey psst
i know a place, with plenty of lebensraum

What's so bad about suburbs? They give middle-income people the opportunity to own family-sized houses with private yards and car garages.

They increase commute distances and therefore the time and resources spent travelling, plus they benefit movements of social isolation and wealth segregation to move away from social problems instead of fixing them.

My eyes are with water. You could fit all those families into a single apartment building and have an entire factory complex nearby.

Suburbs turn barren, useless deserts into green and productive habitats.

With as much space as you have available you wouldn't need to live in deserts in the first place. The resources required to sustain human population increase exponentially with the hostility of the environment.

Or do you think that air conditioning runs on fairy power and that those trees and lawn grow there out of boredom and not because monumental amounts of water are invested into them?

Suburbs are freedom. Look at all the land these people get to own while still being located near a convenient freeway.

People live in the desert because they enjoy the climate. With air-conditioning, desert living becomes easy and affordable.

The US has plenty of power. We don't have electricity shortages due to lack of production capacity. We can afford to do nice things for ourselves like build large cities in the middle of the desert.

If you're so free in suburbs, tell me where you're going to work or get your groceries without owning a car.

>We can afford to do nice things for ourselves
Gonna be a rude awakening when your hegemonial status erodes further and the rest of the world stops dancing after your tune.

Be honest - would you rather live here, in a nice suburb with some land:

...or live like a zoo animal in a hellish high-density apartment tower forest?

Why wouldn't I own a car? That's like asking how I cook without a stove. I don't; I own a stove.

We have lots of potential for alternative/renewable power. Wind and solar keep growing rapidly.

we have suburbs but they look like pic related with trees and some separation and variety. I think those are fine. these american suburbs with zero privacy, zero nature, and thousands of identical houses are straight from a nightmare

this is an example of where I'd draw the line

Do you only think in extremes? Both these places are horrid. And tons of people would rather not own a car because they're a money sink.

moral of the story?

>what does Cred Forums consider the best urban trend out there
Communism

what the fuck
also
>private yards

...

this is a suburb near my city
can be reached by train, tram and bus within 15 mins
bike is about 25mins
not so bad, I guess

Kek we had white flight after the Northern Migration and it was basically for this reason. The down side is that our cities became hellholes that are only now recovering.

>plus they benefit movements of social isolation
I'm more isolated n NYC than I ever was in suburbia.

>and have an entire factory complex nearby.
That's some Soviet tier thinking, most people would say green spaces.

Even poor people here can afford cars.

this is where i grew up

shame you yuropoors find this comfy place degeneracy

>What's so bad about suburbs?
I guess the biggest problem with mass produced american style suburbs is the isolation from the rest of the world, but ironically that probably is one of the draws. It is also a sterile simcity copy of organic residential area growth, but that don't seem to be much of a problem either.

US debt to GDP isn't that bad in comparison to Japan and southern Europe, and the US actually has monetary authority to reduce the real debt burden (unlike Germany and France). Considering those two points, I'd say Germany's situation isn't actually better.

That's because your government does everything in its power to hide their costs to maintain votes. The pollution aspect is only obscured by your low population density, you'd choke on fumes if you lived as close together as us. You're overdue for a tax hike to finally fix your road network but you'd rather it continue crumbling. Your entire foreign politics have revolved around securing resources for the longest time just so you could keep with your endless grid ways, until you found out that you can extract your own oil by ruining the ground water in your backyard. You have chained yourselves to the automobile.

I don't think people would want to go to cities where degeneracy runs at all time highs right now. I'd so buy a house just outside my city just so I can have the comforts of peace and quiet like the rural parts of my area but also not far away from the city when I could visit. It's really the best of both worlds but at the same time, it's nothing you'd really get. My life is already shitty enough to crumble in total isolation or be the same way in closed spaces.

Don't think you'd get it though. Not going to say you should either.

>monetary authority
I.e. invent more money that's not backed by any actual value. How much longer do you think that's going to work?

>Anglo urban sprawl

We dont have this m8

>I don't think people would want to go to cities where degeneracy runs at all time highs right now.
As I said, Americans take the lazy way out and run from their social problems instead of tackling them.

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THE DROUGHT HAS ENDED, PROBLEM OUT OF SIGHT AND OUT OF MIND, WE'LL JUST CONTINUE THE SAME WAY AS BEFORE UNTIL THE NEXT DROUGHT

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I loved living in the desert when I was a child, riding dirt bikes in the dunes and swimming in quarry holes. I was the only Asian person and everyone is white and it was a great place.

Nigger, I'm fucking married and make over 85k a year, I don't think I have to do that shit if I don't need to. Fuck your socialist bullcrap.

BRAIZE DJEESUS

the "value" of gold is floating and man-made as well. The only thing gold backing does is keep a country from manipulating currency. If you have a functioning, productive economy involved in global trade and your monetary authority doesn't do anything extreme (the Fed has been far less extreme than the ECB, BOJ, central banks of Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark), then there's really no reason for it to stop working. I've yet to hear someone explain the problem.

I consider finnish/scandinavian urban planning to be superior to anything else.

Another typical American trait, thinking no one holds a responsibility for your society's well being if they're not in the mood for it.

you are trying too hard, helmut. Given your the strength of your opinions and apparent lack of knowledge of macroeconomics, I'm guessing youre a teenager as well.

And what do macroeconomics have to do with you being too lazy to admit any sort of social responsibility?

Wow you are stupid

Dude, what are you trying to say? It's their choice, if they want to live in a city or not, my family owns property in the city, suburbs, and country.
What social responsibility are you taking about? You don't have to live in the city to contribute to society you know?

>being too lazy
>40 hour work week

Gee, doesn't Germany push for lower on that?

>social responsiblity

Again, fuck off with that socialist bullcrap. No one has to commit themselves to collectivism in Western society if they don't want to.

He's right though.

And that's why western society is falling apart. We are driving ourselves against the wall.

you've posted on topics besides that one. you're just lashing out at this point, and your understanding is based on memes, stereotypes and 4channers

If your understanding is based on your suburban cosmos, we might as well write it off as sheltered delusion altogether.

Should we all live in cities?

No he's not. He doesn't even know how things work here. He sounds like he is copying and pasting straight from a teenager dairy.

Neither. Asian cities and suburbia are two extrems. You need something in the middle.

So....suburbs??

i've actually lived in a city my whole life, and even if I hadn't your point would be entirely irrelevant.

please school us on monetary policy again, and how the ECB has followed a more stable path than the Fed.

No, but we shouldn't exept to be freed of all social responsibility just for moving away from them. For your own short term benefit you'll of course want to leave everyone else to whatever it is they're facing, but in the end you're both still part of the same society where everyone's actions eventually have an effect on everyone else.

Can you even read ffs? Look at finnish cities in google sreet.

urban sprawl isn't really an issue in the UK
we just build low-med density terraces out until the council estates, which are all shitly planned

Might want to handle those muslim ghettos in your country. And the refugees before you cast stones and act like you know what goes on here

What wall? Be more specific.

>muh sheletered delusion

Wow, you must be fun at parties. I'm not the one that's immortal.

Dude, what are you taking about? America is America and #1 because we and all our ancestors escaped the social "responsibility " in Europe and Asia.

Those all look extremely shitty

also by the way lads if you're into this shit /n/ has an urban planning general

come and join the trainspotters and cyclists and /o/ invasions blaming the israel palestine conflict on the existence of the bicycle

Social responsibility creates conflict, Hans.

Because it goes both ways, you'll divide all the relative "social responsibilities" and it will create Balkanization of subgroups in areas. Why should people dedicate themselves to places where they're not naturally inclined to have, any, if at all, any empathy?

The only empathy people should have should be towards the nuclear family. You and I would both agree with this.

>the only empathy people should have should be toward the nuclear family

i couldn't possibly disagree with this more. Do what you want, but this sort of stance is a race to the bottom. The economy literally cannot function without trust and respect - they are the basis of most transactions and property rights.

More young Americans are moving into the cities, but Americans tend to retire in the suburbs.

As a Eastcoastfag, I can't imagine living in this these godforsaken places.

No one hides the costs if our cars. They have the same markup from materials/labor as any consumer good (roughly 220%). We pay sales tax on them, registration fees, insurance, fuel taxes etc. Our mechanics rape us on repair costs. Poor people generally just drive used cars. The population density is b.s. as I live in NYC. His whole statement was utter bullshit pulled out of his ass. The things our government subsidizes is food.

My Grandpa has retired in a subdivision in SW Utah. It's pretty comfy 2bh, though it does get a bit hot in the summer.

This; as perhaps restrictive as our car culture is, we are paying the full price.

>registration fees
Not high enough if your road network can't be maintained.
>fuel taxes
See above.

And once again none of your automotive costs reflect its pollution impact. This damage is completely disregarded in the equation.

>walkable cities
>efficient public transport
>shops you can walk to
>living in places where you're regularly exposed to opinions other than your own
>cycle lanes
yanks will NEVER know this feel

>comfy
I don't think you understand this word

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Every state is different and there are federal and state and in some areas city taxes. Add to this the revenue from toll roads. Not all of America has shit roads. Hell the Jersey Turnpike is nicer than any part if the autobahn (I drove from Hamburg to Munich) I travelled on.
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>it's an "every state is different" episode

Was simply testing him because I wanted to see if he truly cared about social responsibility.

But yes, you're right.

Tbf, he's not completely wrong, and laws are the one area where States are completely different.

>tfw

Naw, the subdivision dates to the 1970s and everything is spaced out pretty well, and you get quite the scenery. That being said, I'd still prefer either city or completely rural life tbqh.

>paint stripe pollution

When I retire, I'm going to segregate my wealth by many acres of land and shoot poor people for sport. There's not one thing you can do about it either, Jew.

Don't remind me

They are in a way, but in terms of "living space" they aren't. Cities are forced to be wide and filled with parking lots because suburban faggots want to drive their cars in and not have to walk or use the train, ruining the point of a city.

might become a subversive graffiti artist where i draw bikelanes everywhere with the sole intent of driving down house prices

>parents go for a vacation
>teenager kid stays home because prefers school/friends/vidya
>can't drive yet
>fug

Is there a difference between suburbs and developments? Or are suburbs developments but developments aren't always suburbs?

I saw an amazing housegroupthing north of the Bronx -- iirc -- (or maybe since I live in a poor people suburb I was just amazed by how normal it was).

That's not Poland

whoooops sorry

well unless you live in a city

>i'm wrong because i'm simplifying something too much, so i'll complain about someone pointing this out

Don't you know how stocks work? That will crash to 0 soon and we can get more money.

we kin of do, it's just villages that are close to big cities
and the people there are just as cancerous as in Anglo suburbs

>some land
Bitch, most of those people don't even own an acre in there.