post the best album from the last decade, AND WHY you think it deserves that title.
grimesfags need not apply
Krallice bring an approach to composition and technicality that is completely unprecedented and unparalleled in both black metal, and rock music in general. liturgy is always talking about transcending old paradigms, and while they have made some interesting music, in the end of the day, it's krallice that are pushing the most boundaries and exploring the most uncharted territory. They don't need to talk about it; they simply sit back and let the music speak for itself.
this album hasn't gotten much recognition (yet) mostly because of how goddamn impenetrable it is. i couldn't even begin to comprehend what was going on until about my fifth listen. And even now, years later, i'm still discovering new hidden nuances with every listen.
even though it hasn't received much widespread attention, the critics who have undertaken the challenge of reviewing this behemoth have all sung nothing but praise for it.
This album shares more in common with modern classical music than with rock or metal. the constantly shifting and mutating structures, and the complete abandonment of any form of repetition or motivic arrangements recall an approach to "song"writing that forsakes the traditional idea off songs, in favor of what sounds much more similar to classical compositions.
I hate using the term post-rock, and i think the genre is pretty much creatively bankrupt, but if i had to label something as post-rock i would much sooner choose krallice over the formulaic, psuedo-classical garbage that mogwai or explosions in the sky try to pass off as boundary-pushing
TLDR: post the best album from the last decade and tell us why
Cooper Ward
bump
Nathaniel Sanchez
lol. Krallice is good but please stop.
Nathan Cook
which part do you disagree with?
Jose Kelly
Ya one of my uni lecturers loved this CD (or one of their records anyway). Not for me, music that aims to 'push boundaries' rather than build well structured songs and strong melodic ideas often carries too much pretence for me to handle and this is no different.
Evan Powell
>one of my uni lecturers loved this CD damn that's cool. what class did they teach? >Not for me, music that aims to 'push boundaries' rather than build well structured songs and strong melodic ideas often carries too much pretence for me to handle fair enough. i'd argue that while krallice are certainly aiming to push boundaries, they don't sacrifice building well-structured songs in the process. but calling something well-structured is a matter of complete subjectivity, so to each his own.
Liam Smith
bumping with another great album from this decade.
the importance and influence of this one shouldn't need to be explained at this point
Levi Sanchez
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I did a Popular & Contemporary Music degree and he was the Course Leader, he specialised mainly in noise/experimental stuff and American Hip Hop (he's actually the BBC's go-to guy for Hip-Hop related academia, he was interviewed on BBC One when ODB died and stuff like that).
To be fair I spent a lot of years loving any music that was a bit out of left field or that didn't follow conventions but as I grew older I became disillusioned with a lot of it. My life is a sell out.
Owen Perry
>OP makes a actually insighful post explaining his point of view >you contributed nothing Gtfo
Will check this out.
For me it's pic related, at least as far as rock music goes. Absolute perfect mix of noise elements and indie rock. The intricate, dissonant yet melodic guitar interplay is nothing new, but the urgent, slightly unsetting way it's presented on this album is pretty original. Massively influencial in Canada and originated a ton of copycats. Shame the dude died, I'm sure they sstill had a lot of potential. Viet Cong are pretty good, but their texture based, more abstract guitar work isn't as unique as their more technical stuff in Women.
Josiah Stewart
thanks for reminding me about that album. i haven't listened to it in a while, but i remember enjoying it quite a bit. sonic youth is probably my favorite band, so it makes sense that i would like these guys. >Massively influencial in Canada and originated a ton of copycats that's cool, i had no idea. could you share some of the other bands that they inspired?
also, have you listened to pic related? it's a side project from one of the dudes in the band, and i think it's fucking great youtube.com/watch?v=AWEpzs_Birk
John Davis
>To be fair I spent a lot of years loving any music that was a bit out of left field or that didn't follow conventions but as I grew older I became disillusioned with a lot of it. My life is a sell out. haha well it sounds like i'm currently in the position that you were in back in the day, so who knows. maybe the same thing will happen to me. that's cool that you studied that though. sounds like it would be a really interesting major
Samuel Lopez
Sorry OP
Ryder Mitchell
op here. t b h i was debating between posting that album and the krallice album. they're both super different, but i'd say they're both equally creative and technically impressive, just for different reasons.
William Howard
This album is amazing.
Jacob Price
I don't really know much about the Calgary scene that they're from, but I'm sure if you search for contemporany bands from that zone you'll find a lot of Women influenced ones.
Cindy Lee are underrated af. Besides them, these feature members from Women: Porcelain Raft The Dodos Freak Heat Waves Chad VanGaalen
Jacob Ortiz
try not picking the worst krallice album next time
Aiden Reyes
>build well structured songs and strong melodic ideas yeah, that sounds like years past matter
and stop with the comparisons to liturgy, the one 'contribution' they have is in the focus they have on speeding up/speeding down, something that no black metal band has really put thought into outside of the normal stop/abrupt start that is common in rock anyway
Elijah Gray
sped up VBE rip-offs
Logan Parker
honestly, i love everything that they've done. i just like ypm the best because it seems like a neat culmination of all the ideas that they had been working on up to that point in their career. ygg huur is something else entirely though. i could write a shit ton more about that one.
what's your favorite by them?
Connor Green
They also were aesthetically unique and featured major scales and very little distortion resulting in less claustrophobic sound.
Jordan Ramirez
Emily Howell, for those that don't know, is a computer program that, similar to IBM's Watson, takes in a bunch of a variety of information that others put into it, but rather than being an informational AI, is one that uses that data to help compose music in a particular style.
Pic is a modern classical work created by Emily Howell, the first album it has created.
Honestly what's really intriguing me right now about this tech is how far we can go with this in the future. One way (the way it's sort of going in direction-wise at the moment) is how David Cope essentially acts as a coach to the program and helps it develop its own style. Years into the future, and this is kinda simplifying it, this can very easily turn into something like "senpai, check out this guy named Brian Wilson he made cool shit with the Beach Boys and then check out this guy named Michael Gira he made cool shit with the Swans now fuck my shit up" and the AI will create something out of that. All of a sudden ideas people get that much more important in the music world.
Another way, the IBM's Watson way, that I think this can be cool is if a lot of people can take one of these programs and simultaneously increase its language of music so much that it'll know more than any single living human can possibly ever know. You can have someone like Quincy Jones impart his knowledge of music onto it, a music historian impart knowledge onto it, some freaking Tuvian Throat Singer from the other side of the world impart knowledge onto it, some obscure folk musician doing a style we don't know from nowhere impart knowledge onto it. It can literally become the ultimate patrician musician.
Normally for threads like these I would just gush on and on about To Be Kind, how great it is musically and what it personally means to me, but for the past couple days I have really just been thinking about what something like the Emily Howell program and its successors can achieve.
Dylan Richardson
Holy crap this sounds amazing (the concept) thanks for this, seen this posted around but haad no idea it was made by a computer.
Noah Parker
Sped up Volunteer Babywearing Educator?
Bentley Clark
>only vbe is allowed to use certain chord patterns >fucking krallice doesn't even sound like vbe >fucking deathspell omega doesn't sound like vbe either, other than using some of the same chords once in a while, that are common to black metal anyway
Adrian Scott
The last track on Years Past Matter is the best composition I've ever heard. I've listened to it over 30 times and my jaw still drops.
Jack Cox
>aesthetically unique and featured major scales and very little distortion resulting in less claustrophobic sound nothing new
Jose Foster
That album or this. There really aren't any other answers.
Elijah Ross
power & possession is the only good song but it's damn good at that
Nathaniel Fisher
Care to give a few examples?
Isaiah Long
Yeah dude. I found it the other day looking for modern classical stuff to listen to. It doesn't sound bad either if you enjoy that type of music.
Guys, I love all three of these albums, but still explanations are cool and what keep this topic alive. It doesn't matter even if its obvious or not, sometimes you never know. OPN and DsO get hate here because some people started believing in the meme. Congratulations' cover turns some people off. Etc.
Ethan Cooper
>only vbe is allowed to use certain chord patterns you said it, not me >fucking deathspell omega doesn't sound like vbe either Oh they do. In fact DsO is basically the same old VBE and Dodheimsgard thing, plus crap.
krallice aren't even different from what is typical black metal, they just have more of a focus on interplay and virtuosity, they don't particularly use major key anyway
Noah Ortiz
damn this is the first time I've ever seen Krallice get respect on Cred Forums.
that album is fucking amazing. krallice is one of my favorite artists to listen to on runs and bike rides.
Lucas Ortiz
i said it because it's a stupid thing to think about any band VBE didn't even really on that shit other than on sang for the swans, and even then, it was mostly in the intro that used a bunch of notes that dso would never use, on top of an idiosyncratic strumming style that reached full bloom in virus and fuck of with the other comparison too the only reason people compare deathspell omega to other bands is out of the recognition of dissonance, something which black metal seeks to use anyway, the approach to arpeggios and tempo is something holy unique to deathspell omega
Logan Martin
The bands you listed use clean sections, sure, but in a way that enables dynamics. In Aesthetica, most songs use exclusively that almost clean, high sound, through the fullbduration of the song. It's like black metal without distortion. It's that specific trait, along with the occasional drones, major scales, and acceleration shifts that convey the spacious, positive mood of the album. No one can deny it's a aesthetically unique album, despite HHH's pretentious babbling.
Jeremiah Reyes
>OPN and DsO get hate here because some people started believing in the meme what meme?
but you're right that they should have descriptions. i'll make some brief ones.
opn pretty much laid the foundations for the post-internet movement of electronic music. other early vaporwave artists may have helped with creating the aesthetic, and the general sound, but opn is the one who demonstrated the range of possibilities of what could be done within this niche. dso inspired just about every single black metal band to come after them. they popularized dissonance and technicality within the genre and spawned multitudes of bands in their wake. it's almost impossible for modern black metal bands to avoid comparisons to them if they make use of dissonant playing.
Connor Torres
DsO at one point got so much absurd levels of love at /metal/ that it became a meme to just shit on them.
OPN is part of the weird frontier meme which has annoyed quite a few people. That being said, I guess in defense those threads do often have a lot of "OPN is the only good one" posts.
Ian Barnes
oh okay. damn i wish i was here for the time that /metal/ liked dso. nowadays you get shit on for even mentioning black metal.
Justin Campbell
Shame they went from dickridding atmosphere based black metal to riff based metal. It's like they can't talk about one without memeing the other.
>the approach to arpeggios and tempo is something holy unique to deathspell omega I bet you didn't even listen to top 3 most famous black metal acts, lol youtube.com/watch?v=i_Ftb0vj-fk
Daniel Bennett
wtf op that album sounds fucking awful
Aiden Morgan
rapfag detected
Hudson Perry
at least rap is listenable and you can understand what they're saying. this shit is just noise.
Hunter Myers
nice bait
Dylan Hernandez
>anyone who has a different opinion than me is baiting
Aiden Cooper
>listening to music for inferior lyrics when one can listening to music for the music and poetry for good lyrics >living life in such an inferior fashion
Camden Kelly
bump
Austin Jenkins
Your opinion is childdish and edgy, so yes he's right.
