The thread earlier about alt-right artists was deleted, which is understandable, considering it just eroded into bickering between people of different political philosophies. However, a thread on political influence in music (as opposed to the political beliefs of the artist themselves) has potential.
What band artists can you think of who incorporate right wing political, religious, and philosophical elements into their musicianship, album artwork, lyrical messages, public persona's, etc.
Yes, but both of them are older. Do you know of anything more recent?
Chase Miller
any Hip-Hop
David Scott
Why is closer right wing?
Brody Martinez
idk, Ian Curtis was an edgelord aesthetically, I don't think he really had political beliefs
Kayden Hughes
A lot of black metal bands and labels have conservative beliefs, and there are plenty with right or far-right sympathies that may not even be full-blown NSBM bands/labels.
Joy Division has a reputation for being fascistic in some of their imagery and aesthetics. The album art for Closer displayed traditional European art, so that seemed right in line with most of what I'm looking for.
Nicholas Smith
Brethren
Ayden Walker
vaporwave is bretty facist
Logan Gray
What kind of music do they play?
Josiah Wright
Pantera. Phil Anselmo is a literal 14/88er Also Morrissey despite being a vegan, supported Brexit, made a song about muslims being criminals, and has never gone full "gay pride we r so gr8 lol XD" like most Bi Musicians do. Make of that what you will.
Brayden Walker
I think it's more inspired by a Marxist criticism of the empty nature and declining state of capitalism in the West.
We're listening to very different artists then. The criticism you're talking about feels ironic and actually kinda celebratory to me.
Dominic Williams
Synth-wave revival is the music for fashy goys
Matthew Jones
>Marxist criticism whats ole marx got to do with it?
Austin Roberts
What Morissey song was that?
Lucas Bell
And could you link me to some of their stuff? I'm having a hard time finding it.
Pantera still wrapped themselves in the degenerate aesthetics of Southern decline, which, while certainly not being left wing, really rubbed me the wrong way. I prefer bands that incorporate concepts like self-overcoming, self-reliance, and transcendent values into their music.
Nolan Price
Yeah but they weren't actually fascists.
To say they're "Alt-right music" is retarded.
Henry Brooks
I thought Pantera's southern aesthetic was just an accurate reflection of their sound. I can appreciate it just for that.
Justin Morris
Ian voted for Thatcher in '79 and held some pretty racist views according to his wife tho
Oliver Ross
meant to quote
Hudson Carter
that's really grasping at straws, a lot of punk and postpunk bands flirted with edgy/facist imagery. That's like saying the sex pistols, the Fall, or Throbbing Gristle were conservative. Joy Division artistically came from more of a Kafkaesque perspective, and the facist imagery had more to do with being a reflection on the bleak industrial setting of their hometown Manchester, than any of their personal beliefs. They may have been morbid people who were drawn to the horror of the holocaust, but edgy, provocative names and album art were pretty much par for the course in the punk scene.
Michael Hernandez
I didn't say that. I said bands that incorparated right wing themes and elements into their music, album and poster art, or lyrics. With album and promotional art, Joy Division does this.
Fair enough from an artistic standpoint. But as a Southerner, I've grown to really hate that sort of white trash aesthetic. The South has an aristocratic past to be proud of, but I think the white trash culture is part of what has hurt our working class.
Jason Rogers
You sound like you're looking for neo-romantic fascist music? Iceage maybe?
Understandable. I found it as a breath of fresh air for thrash, and oddly endearing.
Henry Mitchell
Asian Rut.
Charles Hill
you guys need to learn to read. OP is only asking for bands that incorporate fascist imagery not one that actually associate with facism
Jeremiah Sanders
For them, it was more than just edginess though. With bands like the Sex Pistols (and I don't know that this is true of the other bands that you mentioned), they seem to be using fascist imagery in A. a very non-fascist way (a swastika t-shirt with a studded and spiked leather jacket and spiked hair) B. in a way that invoked such imagery as a negative thing (the swastika was meant to be displayed as a negative thing and used as a statement to the overall nastiness of the band or something of the like)
With Joy Division, there seemed to be a genuine draw to the imagery and aesthetics, and a "respectful" portrayal of them, if that makes sense.
Jace Richardson
>the Fall Mark E Smith voted for the tories and supported the Falklands war.
Justin Young
Yes, that's true. It's always nice to see Southerners bringing their own unique brand to a genre of music.
Ryan Torres
I don't mind if they do (or if they're leftists and just like putting fascist imagery into their music). I just like the idea of discussing right wing themes in music.
Aside from Burzum, what other black metal artists were into Nazi-esque themes?
Adrian Garcia
Fascists and national socialists were leftists. They were socialists. If right wing social views made you right wing then the Soviet Union would have been right wing too
Kayden Price
uh, bait? >Burzum having Nazi themes >can't find black metal bands with Nazi themes
Wyatt Williams
Hopsin
Jackson Mitchell
Why doesn't Cred Forums like Islam?
Jacob Edwards
Only right wing band I really like is probably pic related, 99% of NSBM bands are truly horrendous.
Burden has never been a NSBM band fuck off
Owen Barnes
>Burden autocorrect is fun
Nathaniel Hughes
see What the fuck does Vapourwave have to do with the "health of the nation"?
>they were socialist Before or after they murdered all the union leaders and leftist?
Asher Mitchell
Why do American reactionaries refer to "European" culture of centuries back as if there was ever such a some clear-cut, monolithic identity?
>Sadly I don't think there's a lot of them That's because right wingers are inherently uncreative. The only songs you could post were meme-tier folk, which was a left wing genre until right wingers appropriated it like they did with punk.
Cooper Bennett
>Delete your account He's right though. The only reason Cred Forums doesn't like Islam is because brown people make up the majority of its followers. Nazi groups all over the world were literally professing their love for Osama Bin Laden after 9/11
Camden Foster
Because their beliefs were handed to them from breitbart, stormfront, and Cred Forums.
Adrian Foster
>uncreative Tiptopkek. If your idea of right-wing music is Pantera or NSBM, kill yourself. Most of these people are just 1488 RACE WAR NOAW without any knowledge of the ideology. youtube.com/watch?v=QBtJW5pbauw >The only reason Cred Forums doesn't like Islam is because brown people make up the majority of its followers. That's reason enough.I agree that we are similar in some ways, but that pic is stupid. Muslims hate white people, and white people hate Muslims. I'm talking about the modern muslim, muslim in 18xx/19xx were far more different than today.
>""ALT-RIGHT" >""WANT A RETURN TO THE MONARCHY"" Pick one. Most of the (((Alt-Right))) are Americans, this graph is shit and so is the (((Alt-Right))).
Kevin Kelly
A shitty British Punk Rock band called Skrewdriver composed of Neo Nazis. The lead singer died in a car crash putting an end to their fringe popularity in the early 1990's. I could understand if their popularity was due to their music, but they really were terrible, so I can only assume the politics trumped the music for their 'fans'. It's worth reading about them on Wikipedia if you're bored.
Matthew Cook
Morrissey is full of contradictions - for every right-wing idea he espouses there's a left-wing idea to counter it. For example he 'forbade' the Conservative PM from liking The Smiths and he adores Oscar Wilde who can hard;y be said to be the poster boy for right-wingers.
Thomas Smith
David Bowie used quite a bit of nazi imagery.
Isaiah Anderson
>Muslims hate white people False >White people hate Muslims I know a lot of white people who get along with the Muslims around here just fine. You sure you just aren't projecting?
>Strauss The Nazi's tried hard to get him to become an icon of theirs but he never wanted to. He wrote an opera with his Jewish friend under Nazi Germany and tried to ignore bans on Jewish composers.
The only person I can think of who was vehemently right wing and notable following the French Revolution is Wagner. Name one new genre of music that was primarily created by far right wingers.
>Pick one. Most of the (((Alt-Right))) are Americans, this graph is shit and so is the (((Alt-Right))). >Implying. Monarchist from 8pol come onto leftypol all the time.
Jordan Price
>Phil Anselmo >Anselmo ended the "Dimebash" Dimebag Darrell tribute show by giving a Nazi salute and screaming the words "white power" to the crowd. Anselmo later claimed he was joking about drinking "white wine".
Morrissey is representative of a lot of the British working class in that he's left-wing on most issues but fearful of immigrants
Henry Watson
When your entire genre is founded on memes, how could you expect anything more than a meme crowd
Carson Garcia
you are comparing muslims to nazis.
the alt-right worships an immigrant, race-mixing, queer jew (milo) lol. the media just span it as if they were a the new gen of white supremacists because it made for better headlines.
in reality is just a bunch of frustrated, jaded young men that feel as if society owns something to them because 'muh ancestors were inventors and shiet'. they are right on some things, but mostly it's just being edgy. then we have people like milo, lauren southern, and the vice co-founder (whoose name slipped my mind) that shamelessly pander to them to get famous and rich. alt-righters are keyboard warrior they would never act on their 'believes' compared to actual white supremacists and neo-nazis.
> inb4 cuck
Aiden Ramirez
Nazi's praised Osama Bin Laden following 9/11. It isn't a far fetched comparison at all.
Owen Thompson
he who controls the memes controls the world
Wyatt Powell
Because they are in our lands trying to force their desert traditions down our throats, and our cucked government who is controlled by jews welcomes it with open arms to displace native white people.
We dont hate them as long as tands, and i still welcome anything to overtake it but it is not my concern as a westerner
>the only thing right wingers can offer up as an example of their musical prowess is moon man Like poetry.
Jordan Wilson
you can consider pretty much every side of the Yugoslavian conflict as ultra nationalist, which is a right wing leaning ideology, so there is that if you want true musical quality but in a different language
Right wingers of today are reactionaries so as the reaction gets bigger and more popular in western civilization the arts will have more of these political influences. Im sure we have a couple 1488ers who are going to be mainstream with a little age (i personally think BONES is redpilled despite not showing it to not get crucified/ruin relationships) just got to see as time goes on. The Right is taking over the civilized world and you will see it's effects throughout every media
[spoiler] Trump's winning the presidency [/spoiler]
Well Big Black made an album called "Il Duce" but Albini is antifa
Cooper Hill
No, you're uncreative. >if WE had the propaganda machine we could produce even MORE shitty marching music kys
>Trumps winning the presidency I mean if you don't pay attention to demographics, then yeah >ultranationalist RIP Tito.
>Right wingers of today are reactionaries so as the reaction gets bigger and more popular in western civilization the arts will have more of these political influences. Im sure we have a couple 1488ers who are going to be mainstream with a little age
No, even in predominately right wing nations all the music produced by right wingers was shit. That's because reactionaries glorify the past, they don't care for innovation. Hitler would consider 99% of the music posted on this board to be "duh genewacy".
Blake Cooper
>Opposed to other cultures integrating we are against ritualistic suicide of our OWN culture, assimilation is always welcomed, at least to a large majority of nationalists
>want a return to monarchy lol no, only LARPers mention it and that is rare
>Against immigration/refugees Temporary refugee status can be achieved, but not for fighting aged males, which is what is being mass imported. Imigration is always welcomed, as long as they ASSIMILATE to western society.
Lucas Flores
> glorify the past, they don't care for innovation >meme warfare text2speech moonman
make up your mind cuck
Joseph Jones
>glorify the past, they don't care for innovation
meanwhile everything on /leftypol/ is about the good ol' commy dictator days and the right has gone through a rebirth and taken the spotlight in a short amount of time
Wyatt Moore
I don't see how anything I said conflicts with your shitty moon man rap about ethno-nationalism.
>we are against ritualistic suicide of our OWN culture, assimilation is always welcomed, at least to a large majority of nationalists
Yeah exactly faggot. You're opposed to influence from the rest of the world because you're deeply emotionally invested in the achievements of someone you're vaguely genetically related to.
Brayden Morales
>because you're deeply emotionally invested in the achievements of someone you're vaguely genetically related to.
Are you naive? Everything we have today is a product of our parents, their parents, and so on's achievements We are living in the world they created for us, and should be honored. Listening to music on your internet computer technology is a product of the west's innovation.
besides what the fuck do you think every other culture on the planet is doing? Only cucked white people think like you do, spit on their ancestors, it's not only human behavior it is animal behavior to stick your own.
Why the fuck are cucks so hellbent on ritualistic suicide of their culture?
Daniel Watson
>meanwhile everything on /leftypol/ is about the good ol' commy dictator days and the right has gone through a rebirth and taken the spotlight in a short amount of time
Yeah tankies fetishize 20th century Soviet imagery and we mostly discuss theory. The Left is unorganized, no one denies that. Doesn't change my point, which is that right wingers almost never possess a modicum of musical talent. The proof is in the shitty, uninspired march music you've been posting.
Benjamin Clark
the entire genre does nothing but scream at you that our society is based around complete bullshit. it constantly pokes fun at our naive belief in capitalism and how it ultimately does nothing but benefit and empower very few and hurts the working class people who bolster them. did you really think they appropriated old media because they actually enjoy advertisements? wtf mate
Isaac Gonzalez
>he supports hitler
Ian Ross
>muh culshure show me the music then righty? What have you guys created out of adherence to "muh past cul shure" over everything else? Culture comes and goes. Not to long ago "culture," was going out and burning witches, or being a dogmatic catholic or protestant. Limiting yourself to only being influenced by past generations doesn't make you a protector Western nations. It just makes you a faggot.
Sebastian Davis
exactly, just look at how fucking embarrassing 80s hair metal was and popular it became. not much more than a bunch of middle age white boneheads attempting to destroy disco/dance music because it was primarily favored by minorities who were just looking to for a way to forget the anxiety posed on them by society. right wingers have fucking garbage taste because they're sociopaths who can't for the life of them understand what a community is
Josiah Ross
I havent been posting that music, but as opposed to what leftyclown? What hard hitting left music are we seeing that is BTFOing of the right? Music isnt supposed to be about politics, but when it is it is mostly right orientated, the left doesnt have shit.
>Not to long ago "culture," was going out and burning witches wow faggot you think burning witches was on the back of everyone's mind? No they are called LYNCH MOBS and they still happen today in countries in africa and the middle east, so thanks for making the point that they are practicing uncivilzed behavior in those places dummy >Limiting yourself to only being influenced by past generations that's a whole lot of implying, we can take influences from anyone im not sure what youre asking for
>mentiong some vague niglivesmatter "factoid" about how we wuz duh pioneers of (insert genre)
Carson Miller
/thread
Evan Johnson
>trying to get political with me and using some cringe teen rhetoric like "nig"
Ian Myers
>mr serious political guy using meme arrows on Cred Forums
I hope a military boot crashes through your door cuck
>what left wing music Hmm Well we could start with most punk, which was almost entirely a left wing movement until right wingers appropriated it. youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI
Ohh and how could we forget Jazz music? Most prominent black musicians were leftwing for obvious reasons, considering the right wingers were lynching them for asking for equal rights. youtube.com/watch?v=LyHIGotTIU4
How about the Beatles who were relatively left wing, and refused to pay for segregated audiences. GY!BE sells anarchist literature at their shows. Bruce Springsteen, Kendrick Lamar. Vapourware is anti-capitalist. Wayne Coyne of the Flaming Lips campaigned for Obama and speaks out against racism at his shows. I could keep going on, but I'm not going to. The point is, the left has many prominent musicians and entire movements under its belt. Meanwhile, you guys struggle to name even one fascist musician who's worth a shit and have to rely on posting old marches and hymns.
>wow faggot you think burning witches was on the back of everyone's mind? No they are called LYNCH MOBS and they still happen today in countries in africa and the middle east, so thanks for making the point that they are practicing uncivilzed behavior in those places dummy >Strawman: the post
>that's a whole lot of implying, we can take influences from anyone im not sure what youre asking for >We can take influences from anyone Then you aren't really preserving your culture then are you righty?
Joseph Perez
I wanna say this for some reason and I have no idea why
Isaiah Rogers
agree with all of this. i guarantee 99% of the artists you consume would completely denounce you for spouting anything remotely conservative. even fucking third eye blind recently talked shit to republicans in their audience because they're fucking fed up with the complete asshatery. being left wing doesn't mean you support mainstream liberal media or clinton, it means you're not willing to let greedy shit heads who abuse the system take ownership of your life.
David Parker
> and have to rely on posting old marches and hymns I love how you think calling something "old" makes it bad.
Lucas Adams
Eric Satie was a radical socialist as well.
William Butler
>command + f billy corgan >not found
this shit will always be so fucking disappointing
Jason Lee
>missing the point Right wingers are stuck in the past. They don't innovate. I don't think "old = bad". The point is you haven't been relevant musically save for a few cases, like Wagner and Stravinsky.
David Ramirez
almost like we've never evolved or gained an increasing intelligence. stay naive friend
Chase Gutierrez
>right-wingers are stuck in the past Because someone who is stuck in the past would use modern technology, right? Maybe they just don't want subhumans from Africa and the Middle East to replace them in their own country.
Charles Barnes
>subhumans from Africa You mean the subhumans who have been the driving force behind Western music for the past 115 years? The subhumans who the genres they've largely innovated like Jazz, Rock, Funk, Rap etc you probably consume on a daily basis considering this is Cred Forums?
>Because someone who is stuck in the past would use modern technology, right? How do you tie your shoes in the morning being this stupid?
Parker Long
The problem with not enough right-wing artists lies in the fact that modern mainstream right-wing is almost exclusively hypercapitalist and pro multinational corporations. When anti-corporation right-wing which supports smaller national, regional or local businesses above globalised big ones returns, right wing art will follow.
Joseph Bell
>When anti-corporation right-wing which supports smaller national, regional or local businesses above globalised big ones returns, right wing art will follow.
Before or after you deport all the Jews and niggers?
Christian Baker
>replace them
imagine being this much of a fucking coward. right wingers are like a deer with it's tail between it's legs when it comes to people trying to escape tyrannical (and conservative) government. hypocrite bastards.
John Martinez
Ian only voted for thatcher for a protest vote against the labour leader at the time
Levi Sullivan
>leftist actually thinks simplistic nigger music will be remembered in hundreds of years
>How do you tie your shoes in the morning being this stupid? Not an argument
Luke Wilson
>muh poor Syrian refugees who can't fight for their country because reasons
Not an argument
Nicholas White
>cant mention a single song that was made in his lifetime
next tell me about emmit till
Tyler Reed
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Oliver Brown
They were morbid and edgy, that doesn't equate to any political stance you idiots.
John Butler
He's anti-establishment and kind of a cunt but he was always the spokes-person of every outsider in society, be it fascist kids, homosexuals, alienated teens AND immigrants. People just are dumb as fuck.
Julian Smith
>leftist actually thinks simplistic nigger music will be remembered in hundreds of years
>not an argument Have fun with your no music right winger.
I mentioned GY!BE up there as being left anarchist. Are you blind? TPAB had a shit ton of leftist and anti-racist themes on it. How about you name one right winger?
Frank Zappa was anti-fascist and had lots of black and Jewish friends, like Flo and Eddie from the Turtles. He was a liberal, in the vein of Obama or Hillary Clinton. Certainly not a "must preserve muh culshure". Uncle Remus off Apostrophe has leftist themes of black liberation. Try again cuck.
Hunter Sullivan
uh yeah mate i'm not a complete dickhead. refugees are the tiniest minority in every single country in existence besides like fucking Lebanon. literally less than 2% of the population across the board. you're being a pansy for no other reason than you're a spineless control freak who has bought into fox news and your uncles dumb ass fascism. i'm praying for the day when you'll be the minority and get what your bonehead kind finally deserves.
Joshua Lewis
I can see him supporting the war, but wasn't he a socialist when he was a younger man? There was this though which probably shows him to not be a through-and-through lefty. youtube.com/watch?v=pgaRehO-oiY
Xavier Fisher
Iceage are pretty controversial in that regard
New romantics were considered right-wing in their time
Asher Peterson
Deporting people who already live there would be a very shitty thing to do. Its better to just take a more hardline approach to granting asylums/citizenships etc.
Luke Hughes
Going in the vein of the Coltrane, Jazz which is "nigger music" is already being studies in conservatories along side proud "muh western" composers. Stay cucked.
Logan Bailey
> refugees are less than 2 percent stop freaking out you pussy > you'll be a minority
So which one is it?
Hunter Perez
>niggers playing randomly while high on heroin are geniuses according to leftists
>Have fun with your no music right winger. Not an argument
Christian Jenkins
Zappa describe himself as a conservative and you should really look up what he had to say about unions before you start calling him a liberal. Uncle Remus was mocking the black who gave up their own fight for afros and cool clothes and proceed to engage in useless petty forms of protest like knock the jockies off the rich people lawns. Zappa was an autist didn't have any friends, just musicians who he hired.
Nolan Roberts
Be careful with those non-arguments and contradictions, you might hurt someone.
Caleb Perry
can you not read? i said i hope all conservative republican religious alt right dip shits are thrown into a gulag
Eli Diaz
>niggers playing randomly while high on heroin are geniuses according to leftists HAHAHAH. The "jazz is just random notes" is the shit you hear from teenage girls. See .
>Zappa describe himself as a conservative and you should really look up what he had to say about unions before you start calling him a liberal. Uncle Remus was mocking the black who gave up their own fight for afros and cool clothes and proceed to engage in useless petty forms of protest like knock the jockies off the rich people lawns. Zappa was an autist didn't have any friends, just musicians who he hired.
I haven't listened to apostrophe in a long time, but I remembered George Duke talking about it in an interview like that. I know what he had to say about unions, but he was anti authoritarian as fuck and had lots of black and Jewish friends. At most, he was a lolbert. Not a fascist.
Owen Jackson
He was by all regards pretty conservative anyway though.
Leo Robinson
>someone points out that you're a hypocrite >FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU DIE YOU RELIGIOUS REPUBLICAN SHITLORD IM SO TOLERANT BTW I think this is some guy from Cred Forums trying to false flag, no one is this stupid
Jeremiah Anderson
you're right. i apologize to my fellow white overlord counterparts. god forbid we feel any real oppression
Brayden Thompson
Well good thing that could only be possible if pinkos were an overwhelming majority, which is not gonna happen
Charles Lopez
Of course conservatories have to teach about nigger music, otherwise the government would shut them down for being racist.
Joshua Murphy
Who cares about musicians political opinions anyway? I am conservative as fuck but I listen to GYBE, Coltrane or whatever else I fucking like. Its almost as if one could separate politics from art and don't dabble in this bullshit identity politics antics.
Isaiah Brown
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Luis Perry
violence for peace friend. welcome to real leftism. no tolerance for racist shit heads
Noah Turner
>I'm tolerant until you start disagreeing with me
Colton Ortiz
>i don't want to be called racist >is a racist
this is why no one takes right wingers seriously
Jaxson Stewart
>i don't want to be called racist I never said that.
Josiah Gutierrez
>implying In reality he's changing the scales he's playing with every single chord to match that chord. It takes immense knowledge of music theory to play like Coltrane does. If it's so simple I welcome you open an "intro to Jazz theory" and try and play something.
But it doesn't matter anyway, because Jazz is already cemented as being one of the most complex music genres ever and that's why it's taught in conservatories. And that isn't gonna change. And that's because your whole worldview is based on memes.
"Tolerant" does not mean tolerant of all things.
Grayson Ward
look mate, you clearly started the intolerance first with your dip shit racism, so own up when we lefties hit you back you hypocrite fuck
Jaxson Murphy
Not him, but to satisfy you guys, Burzum certainly has certain themes that in line with the Thulean and Nordicist elements of Nazi party propaganda.
Matthew Richardson
oh yes you did buddy
Caleb Cooper
>this is what Cred Forums actually believes
Ryder Diaz
>jazz theory Aka theory for dindus because western theory is racist
>But it doesn't matter anyway, because Jazz is already cemented as being one of the most complex music genres ever and that's why it's taught in conservatories. I bet prof. Goldberg taught you that.
>"Tolerant" does not mean tolerant of all things. My bad, I forgot that leftist don't tolerate those evil right-wingers who hold signs and hold demonstrations. But they do tolerate a desert cult that is killing their countrymen.
I never claimed to be tolerant. Leftists do.
Where?
Not an argument
Bentley Reed
no one said zappa was a facist, just right wing. this is the right wing music thread isn't it?
Isaiah Richardson
man this is a bad thread. Not the subject just the discussion. Oh well....