Sir Roger Scruton points out how Popular music and Popular culture defend eachother and how modern culture suffers under the force of popular music. Is he right? Or more specifically, is he right in his claim that the music composed through the classical tradition and all that it represents, discipline and adult maturity, is superior to the music of youth culture, representative of the desire to abstain from adulthood and its accompanying role of maturity and higher thought, that we apparently are subject too today?
Hudson Morales
that mofo got knighted?
Chase Robinson
Yes sir
Luke Miller
He's right that cultural standards have slipped into absurdity, he's wrong in the particular brand of cultural elitism he espouses.
Also, daily reminder he literally got paid to shill for the tobacco industry.
Thomas Bennett
Wouldn't folk music be a better comparison since that's what more people used to listen to before popular music?
Samuel Miller
MTV started that whole negroid cultural marxist shake that ass psyop to erode normal white values. Basically vaseline for what is happening now. SO yeah, I agree. But the music isn't to blame, but those who decide what's played on TV, radio, what is produced and hyped, etc.
Henry Allen
Yes, folk music is the correct analogy. Classic has been something usually enjoyed by an elite. But folk music, excellent and non-degenerate in its own right, is what common people enjoyed before pop music.
Angel Johnson
Back to your containment board please.
Leo Martin
moron detected.
Brayden Lee
sorta similar to Adorno, but Adorno's hard-on was for atonal classical
Pynchon did it better though
Hunter Nguyen
I wonder if industry paid him for this piece too his argument is just THOSE DAMN KIDS scruton is 100% imbecile
Lucas Rogers
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Ryan Turner
1700: nobles, cultivated from youth, patrons of the arts. classical artisans trained from youth by masters and housed in royal courts. 2016: crowd funding. artists that went to public school.
Julian Kelly
>European culture literally being erased from existence through globalisation and demographic collapse >haha wtf "Old Man Yells At Cloud" amirite xD #readyforsharia
Parker Brooks
roger scruton is like 90 years old and lives in a village in Wiltshire listening to Beethoven i don't really care what he thinks about music.
Hudson Walker
I want Cred Forums to leave.
Christopher Diaz
You forget that we live in a time where sister Ray and miss fortune have greater artistic value than the majority of contemporary classical released in the past 40 years.
Connor Carter
>rich people culture is all of European culture Classical music has nothing to with my ancestors.
Liam Reed
It's easy to forget when it is a meaningless assertion.
Noah Green
>their opinions hurt my feelings
Angel Murphy
You're forgetting that to ears trained on Rihanna, Max Richter and the Velvet Underground both sound like boring background noise.
Nathan Sanders
Velvet Underground is objectively wew lad.
Jeremiah Edwards
No they don't.
Chase Perry
I mean holy shit guys why are you all responding to this? Get this shit off of our board and go discuss it on its dedicated board holy fuck
Jacob Flores
essays are a form of literature you fucking mouth breather
Asher Cooper
Ok so should I start shitting up this board with fucking videogame essays also? Why not start posting a bunch of shitty political essays about Trump and turning this board into Cred Forums 2.0 like the rest of Cred Forums?
This essay has nothing to do with literature you fucking mong, this is a thread about music discussion and belongs on Cred Forums if this shit is tolerated then the board will go to fucking hell with the influx of Cred Forums and Cred Forums posters.
Remember to sage and report this off-topic trash and just in case you're retarded here's another link
Brandon Robinson
>my opinion is the only right one, and everyone who disagrees is a le ebin cuck
You people are no better than SJW. How good it must be not to be able to see yourself in the mirror.
Logan Thompson
Is he, dare I say it, our guy?
Ryder Wilson
Forgot pic
Blake Smith
>essays on literature are the only ones allowed to be discussed
Evan Mitchell
wew lad >not listening to Rautavaara
Noah Perry
Are you really going to sit here and advocate that all essays on all topics are meant to be discussed here on /lit/? Whats the point of having other boards if you can just discuss every topic on here as long as it's in essay format? If you read a book and in it the author presented some interesting theories about the composition of music and how it mingles with the psychology of people would you come to /lit/ to discuss everyone's thoughts on music and psychology just because it is literature or would you go to Cred Forums because that is where music discussion is intended to happen and where it happens most frequently?
Just look at this thread and try and tell me that any of this resembles literature discussion because all I see is shitty Cred Forums and Cred Forums memes that don't belong on this board.
Holy shit you're actually retarded just get the fuck out of here or better yet post about one of your favorite books so you can out yourself as an idiot that doesn't belong here anyway.
Ryder Gray
Are you really going to sit here and advocate that essays on literature are the only ones allowed to be discussed here on /lit/?
Noah Price
cry more, bitch nigga
Samuel Richardson
loud noises
Ayden Clark
>people are still falling for the "back in my day" meme
Isaiah Diaz
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Liam Long
both of these are accurate
Camden Brooks
>People have been saying the present is worse than the past for a long time now. >Therefore, they're wrong.
Your argument is basically "current year" with a college degree.
Jordan Gomez
He is not wrong, though. People like to ideolize the past. It doesn't matter if the present is better or worse, nostalgia will make you biased. One should look at it objectively instead of going "muh currect year" or "muh traditional values", because in the end those viewpoints are the same: an idealization of something which is neither perfect nor completely defective.
Eli Torres
Intredasting. I was just listening to a podcast debate between Scruton and Terry Eagleton and while they were talking past each other a lot, and actually agreed on some things (cultural decline), on the points of disagreement it kind of seemed like Eagleton was owning Scruton. I'm probably pretty biased though.