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Dubu edition

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who won tho

Divine thread

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that's actually not that bad

binnie in the audience...

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it's not that bad though
i think pink memory's 1st week sales were 30k

damn she uggo

fuck

based gay bro

>yooa teeth

TWICE is the most attractve group right?

>How we should write group name?
>IOI or ioi
>Okay

...

Post well developed women

we like binnie here

not even close

sohye fat ass...

lol

Pervert alert! Pervert alert!

beauty is objective.
but yes.

IOI is prettier than Twice

kek

lol

not that bad for ultranugus lmao

lmao!

rofl

did gfriend disband?

its really confusing to see a gaypopper obsess over girl butts, friend

sonamoo is prettier than twice

crayon pop is literally the GOAT

he's not a real gaypopper

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i need a ludacam

pink memory had 30k in its first week and ended up selling 90k (on hanteo not gaon) which is only 10k less than page two until now
so although pr probably won't be their best selling album it's doing decently

post a better looking band... kinda think you are troling


you know it user, plus nice full house

[Hanteo] 160930 | DIA - "Spell" Normal + Limited edition (5th day): 392 copies (Total: 3,490 copies)

yeah

we like girl buttes desu

Chungha is dying

crayon pop is prettier than twice

>post a better looking band... kinda think you are troling
dal shabet
girl's day

all three are stunning though

they're on the same level imo

just woke up, did i miss the show?

>dal shabet
stopped reading right there

I don't fucc wit that gay shit, now post dahye fat ass

god i hate you people

WORD

>not liking gaybooty instead

dal shabet are nugus with shit tier music
don't make retarded arguments that involve nugus if you want to disprove me

right here oppa

>see that it's a dubu thread
>see that there are dubuposters
Dubu bless from Canada my bros

dal shabet has like one pretty member

exy

get ready for the zico juice!

right there what

why does kpg hate twice all of a sudden

everyone in twice is pretty, unlike most other groups (eg lovelyz has babysoul, gfriend has umji)

we like gaybutt too, of course

jesus christ the people here

why do i keep coming back to this shithole

We had a great thing going yesterday dbh

twice has momo

>all of a sudden

who

...

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4walls nearly doubling pink tape first week sales is kinda funny

red velvet's worst album is their only top 25 entry

there is so much wrong with this chart

remember the crayon pop brotherhood? lol

dalshabet lost me as a fan this comeback

subin is still hot but they seem like they're just trying too hard to be mediocre at this point

i come here for the memes

Dubu bless from Spain too

what? its the best mini they've ever done.
when was the last time they made 3 good songs?

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sorry dal shabet but this uncle fan has left you for aoa

probably wohee looking pretty most of the time, while the rest look plastic as fuck or weird looking.

dubushitters ruined kpg

they're pretty but no personality

you spelled blackstink wrong

yes, were u not at the company BBQ last friday?

I'm the Uruguayan member of the Dubu Brotherhood

youtube.com/watch?v=P0pqwW_9MC0

This album definitely needs more love

what a flop

laboum is prettier than twice

Even as a dubuposter I gotta say KEEP POSTING SEOLHYUN
We really did, I was there
Hey Spainbro, dubu bless

Street was 10/10 killer

are average kr qties as ugly as dubu?

great

it's definitely in my top 5

She's quite something. She's no Dubu though dbh

even worse due to fat faces + monolids

wtf me gusta Uruguay ahora

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what memes? no one makes any content or shoops anymore.

everything is like two years old, unless you count calling idols by ebin funny names like dubu or rat "memes"

but monolids are great

i had a dream about jessi singing to me ;__;

Whose spreadsheet is that?

it would be weird to not like it imho

i guess 1st week sales hang more on a group's previous success? like the most loyal fans will buy it immediately anyway even if it's not great if they liked the group already

album sales and flops are kind of a silly thing to fight about anyway, i just want apink to do well so it triggered me lol

but you posted the only good song from the album

even the title track was dull

i like ellin's meme hair

who is she moooore

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more

seolhyun

stolen from this poster on oh
onehallyu.com/topic/322132-top-25-korean-girl-groups-female-solo-album-first-week-sales-on-hanteo/

ace of pure nonslut angel

shabets are really attractive

whos that one girl who was on the chat and ppl kept saying " wheres the others"?

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>tfw somi has peaked already
she will look way different 5 years from now
damn white genes

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ahyoung tho

Best edition

Dubu bless everyone in this thread
Also extra love to Seolhyun posters for not abandoning her, because her beauty is untarnished after her scandal

And to the Spainbro, you're a cool dude. Same goes to the Slovenian, wherever he may be right now.

just found out title track only refers to a song that has the same title as the album

meant the single ofc

If CLC had been slutpop could they have made it?

that choa back

wjsn's pocket pus *cough* girl

yeah, slutpop groups like stellar make bank

I'm here dubuhonest. Dubu bless you too!

for me yes bc they're all natty

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i love the dubuposters at this time they're so nice

sigh... i want luda to have this hair back

word

yeah a lot ... but TWICE is twice as great

in kpop they call the single the title track for some reason, everyone else just goes along with it to avoid confusion

i just think its funny that people buy albums they dont know anything about based on previous albums.

4walls is easily their worst

bomi deserves better

it's confusing because in kpop people say title track for the lead single even if the album isn't titled after it

looks like my ironing board

Slovene bro you're here?!?!
AWE YEAH THE ORIGINAL TRIO REUNITES
I try to be on my best behaviour late at night

i want a predebut luda

youtube.com/watch?v=_fTNBh5FVwY

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honestly I believe they would have

do we like boram here

yeah, i thought i'd seen that but decided to look it up just in case because I thought it was weird

whaat

Is he here too?
Good

is that CLC fat ugly talentless manface loser?

i loved boram's run on uprs she was fierce

no its clc leader

did someone say [CLC fat ugly talentless manface loser]?

Should be, if not soon
It's crazy how dubuposting went from 3 people to probably 15+

Here's a Momo webm for variety. Also because Momo is hot as heck

does twice has a leader?

>Also because Momo is hot as heck
Word

yeah its that fatty jihyo

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I like CLC talented qt pie

word

I see it now

farting feels good desu

I told everyone who wrote >just one guy to just wait. I hope they see us now

yujin was not developed for slutpop

(m)omo

Yes

Even as a dubuposter I must admit there are hot idols out there
Also Momo has made some advances on Dahyun
I'm not active in any kpop communities outside of Cred Forums, wonder if the dubu fandom will catch on

We love our thicc leader here

wow, luda used to be so much cuter.
imagine getting paid to butcher idols every day and get away with it

i hope her new stylist gets abducted

i feel bad for her having to carry all of them talentless sluts

lmao these girls are sex objects and they know it. I bed they secretly hate each other but they know how hot they are together so they continue the act. Its pretty pathetic.

Why does no one ever post best CLC

youtube.com/watch?v=7KVSviH6icQ

so cuuuute

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I want to carry jihyo

omo...

i hope u are ripped

sulli feels good

>any member of twice
>a sex object
They really are just pure and don't know any better

Because she was an iljin

to keep her a secret

Same

word (since girl love doesn't count)

do we like padded rodents here?

Sana is the purest

You know that Sana had a bf?
I bet that she is not pure

Because we like the fertile one

crazy to think there are brainwashed savages just a few hundred miles from our girls

word.
this smile cant be impure.

Is Umji thicc?

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Is vomitive

sinb tho

Says who?

that's retarded not pure

literal goddess

who hurt you?

...

NANI?

Asian girl love is pure because it's so cute
Wordito
Yeah it was heavily implied in her Happy Together episode
Don't really care though, when will I ever meet her in person?

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a retard

sexiest/sluttiest dance?

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When your waifu makes you a sandwich.

whatta man obv

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actually, that was for zico

I want to put my dick on those lips so bad

Me on the left.

>Yeah it was heavily implied in her Happy Together episode
No it wasnt that is just how humor works user.

thicc

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does this look like slutpop to you?

twise - chorrap

No, that was from today. It's mine. She left Zico for me.

lesbianism truly is the purest form of love

sure does

yes

mimi?

Word

youtube.com/watch?v=4xIqxTFmH2U

>they pretended to break up so they could go back to dating in private
>left zico

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>sana chan did you have a bf back in nippon?
>hehe dunno xD
>ok we get it
what's humorous about this?

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Why would you pretend to beak up? Did you really fall for that meme? If they are caught dating now it would be an even bigger PR disaster.

Seolhyun posters: keep going
For not being completely fluent in Korean, Sana has a damn good grasp on Korean charisma and humor
Lewd!

hes just a sanafag in denial

this was an exception

where is fat sana

I wish I was that dude

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Re watch it.
The hosts complimented her on her Korean earlier in the episode.
She said that she sometimes pretend to not understand Korean when she gain weight and they ask her why.
Then the hosts asked her about past bf.
She then pretends to not know Korean.

That entire episode was fuckin gold

>implying these girls arent brainwashed savages

These are celeb sex symbols, their whole motivation to live is to be desired by others. They are pretty much animals.

they would kill for that kind of publicity, it's not like she killed someone

name PLS

damn faggot you're tipping your fedora so hard right now

Her butt cheek is hanging out

I'm going to bed
Goodnight from Canada
Dubu Bless

list of things irene's not afraid of:

seulgi
clothing
cereal

missing anything?

kangnam got rekt

The image of sexy concept idols literally lies on the fact that beta fucks fantasize about being with her. Her dating has a negative impact. Please stop being a retard.

youtube.com/watch?v=q7IXYOsdykc

Do you think Tommy was there

being a lying cunt

See you soon

Henry even more so by the hosts and the girls when they rejected him
Might go rewatch the episode now

Nothing fedora about the truth

whos this granny

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Slug scared her good here

coffe..oh wait
anim....oh yeah nvm
stairs.......oh i forgot
Wendy i guess

vlive.tv/video/14368/BUSAN-ONE-ASIA-FESTIVAL---Opening-Show

Good night

henry annoyed me so much in that episode i can't believe he thought he a had a chance with any of those girls

sana sizing up again

she's imlpying she did then you fucking autists, she could simply say no and move on

>The image of sexy concept idols literally lies on the fact that beta fucks fantasize about being with her.
i think it's mostly that girls want to be her desu
i'm not sure, aoa might be one fo the few with more male fans

And we LOVE moon here

terrible lineup good night

>this clueless guy
What's your story?

PSY, SechsKies, Girl's Generation, MFBTY, Infinite, Block-B, B1A4, Apink, Girl's Day, BAP, T-ARA, IOI, LYN, DIA. LABOUM

Oink

youtube.com/watch?v=su_qHCBusO8
46:40
>She talked about pretending to not understand Korean
59:30
>They asked her if she dated and she pretend to not know Korean
She could've simply say no like the other idols but doing what she did was funnier. All the hosts gave her a thumbs up.

>SechsKies
omo
this is terrible i was just going to go to bed

chengy truly saved this episode

best sana is muffin sana

lol my cute autistic waifu

twitter.com/Myung_Q_/status/782065932998877187

rare footage of cathy and sujeong on a date

>IOI, DIA, LABOUM
And no OMG again?
this is retarded

delete

those tight dresses tho
i dont think i've ever seen anyone else in kpop wear them like that

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her name is heehun

>their whole motivation to live is to be desired by others.
That's porn. And what makes you think some greasy fingered fatty "motivates" them?

ahahahahahaha

wendy's plushy butt

no nugu uggos allowed

lizzy with a wig

choppy bangs meme needs to die

me, her future husband

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that wig looks really good tho

>DIA
>LABOUM
>Not uggos

I guess my girl is a slut after all

who's been on already?

sana's a cute

lizzy shoulders

dia

are shoulders the new pits?

chaeyeon brings DIA up as a whole so they aren't uggo

and no one cares about laboum

exy

Dia was first and now Laboum.

JinE is still spooky tier, they're resting atm

>fat sana's a cute
word

well, since they're there, and omg isn't, nope

oh good, thought I missed one

holy shit when will they let her eat?!?

heehaw?

is sana getting back to fat sana

OMG is having a comeback in november

fuuuuck me she's so beautiful

oink

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I always thought shoulders were lewd

i legitimately think she's doing this to herself

fuck these uggo waegukins in the audience

fully naked shoulders>pits

DROP IT

fuck yes

make it a yura thread

what about backs?

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i dont know what kind of responses i expected lol

is the stream live?

>Jigeum hoksi naege johdago malhaetni
Geuge jinjjani I geuge jinjjani

pits aren't a meme
pits are forever

the whole neck, shoulder and collerbone area is lewd

time to mute

make it a somi thread

WASSUP WASSUP
TELL ME TELL ME WASSUP

>muting b1a4

do not migrate shows on

do u think sana is a piggy

>he did it again

Nothing better than buttons, especially stealth ones dbh

where is show

make a real edition this is a fucking joke

Deleter

Because he's the hero kpg deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him, because he can take it. He's not a hero, he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a gook knight.

Possibly.

They are getting through the performers really quickly. It is like to be over in the next 20 - 30 minutes.

show's on

I'M VERY VERY GOOOOOOOOOOOD

vlive.tv/video/14368/BUSAN-ONE-ASIA-FESTIVAL---Opening-Show

vlive.tv/video/14368/BUSAN-ONE-ASIA-FESTIVAL---Opening-Show

i don't think it is, the sun seems to have set and anyway there's no pause between acts

it's not a show unless twice is on it

wtf this gaypop is actually alright

it dont matter if sana is fat or slim in the end shell always be a piglet

but twice never even headlines shows

Indeed

Omox3

it's block b, zico's group
lots of girlpoppers seem to like them

>those gay ass metal riffs

Varg would shoot these bitches from a watchtower

but really though, this is true

why don't korean women have 3 sets of tits

>tfw this is probably snsd's goodbye stage

Is the DMZ concert on today as well?

Varg dont care about metal at all anymore. And he would be into djent obviously if he cared.

>DMZ concert

is that actually a thing?

who is this nugu guy and why is he blogging

they confirmed a comeback in 1 year user

>Korean baseball dude is done speaking
ok guys we're done here, go to bed.

funny how all dreams come true~

they're already way past their expiry date desu

sunny will be in a wheelchair by then

yaass sechs kies
i hope they do road fighter

Good joke

Yes they have them every year.

It is DMC instead: vlive.tv/video/14252/2016-DMC-Festival-개막공연-축제의-서막

In about 5 hours.

Lineup:
CLON, TWICE, Lovelyz, Dynamic Duo, Kwak jin-eon, Moony & Niel, Red Velvet, MONSTA X, EXID, GOT7, YB, Kim jang-hoon, Tae Jin-ah, Cho,Jung-Min

the dick is in the motherfuckin pussy

>lots of girlpoppers seem to like them
because "Her" is a masterpiece

Faggot ass retard
They just became grown ass women which is the god damn prime of a woman

>CLON
omomomo
what is it with old gaypop acts coming back

>TWICE
>Red Velvet
>EXID
Good

why theyputtHe diCK in The pussi?

Word

>TWICE
>no gfriend
will have to do i guess

hope twice performs first so i can sleep, hate watching nugus

Probably CLC, with a typo. Same with Jo Jungmin.

[INSTIZ] KPOP males and females idols ranked by gays/lesbians in Korea

20. Red Velvet Yeri
19. Lee Hyori
18. Wonder Girls Sunmi
17. Red Velvet Joy
16. IU
15. SNSD Yoona
14. Mamamoo Hwasa
13. BEG Gain
12. SNSD Tiffany
11. Fx Amber
10. I.O.I Doyeon
9. Red Velvet wendy.
8. Twice Jungyeon
7. Mamamoo solar
6. Mamamoo wheein
5. SNSD Taeyeon
4. Mamamoo moonbyul
3. Red Velvet seulgi
1. Fx krystal and Red Velvet irene.

rv is lespop

feet are still kpgs number one fetish

>Lion Heart has the best costumes, hair and makeup, lyrics and performance of any SNSD era.
>Past their expiration dates.

Nigger several of the members have looked their best since 2015. And no more Jessica to hold the group back.

youtu.be/SUaToGVNmTE?t=30m47s

here they say

>SNSD is currently preparing and waiting for a good timing to show it
>Within one year?
>Within one year is likely
>Within 6 months?
>I’m not so sure

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9-1=0

sica was great tho

Sica has a great body but her face is subpar and she can't really sing nor dance compared to the rest.

Seohyun has superior nasal voice anyway

>open stream
>gaypop group gets 3 songs in a row
>close stream

>SNSD is currently preparing and waiting for a good timing to show it
Tiffany killed the options of a comeback, at least this year and the first half of the next year

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they look young

I'm really struggling to masturbate to this

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>Mamamoo
wtf I love queers now

Literal perfection

Sicas feet are the only good thing about her desu

do lesbos hate twice or something?

boy is obligatory but the rest being behind yeri is kinda weird

ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me ping me

Someone seems to be scared

PICKMEPICKMEPICKME

I just opened the thread. Did I miss a lot of the concert?

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Now IOI, the only good thing

not kpop

>Open Webm
>"I like that" starts playing

omo

She just had a korean comeback idiota

>tfw missed SNSD

doesn't matter, she is a chinese fashion saleswoman mainly

>sohye is beautiful

what happened?

i wanted to see doyeon and nayoungs legs

exy

t. spic

I'll just download everything later ;_;

what do you use to download vlive videos?

Seohyun desu

what's with this jessica hater

No idea

She fucking up and left the sones
She really doesn't deserve respect and I don't give a fuck that she came crawling back to the industry after she couldn't make money being some shitty fashion saleswoman

*mutes*

*mutes*

T-A-R-A
BLOW YOUR LOAD

I'll just wait until it appears on one of my kpop dl sites.
Or just watch it later because that's possible on vlive.

Word

T-ARA has performed in Korea with only this blue outfit every time they have performed in Korea this year

Are they that poor that they can't afford new outfits

wait t-ara is there? daebak!!!

home.soshistagram.com/naver_v/

Once a replay is available it can be downloaded.

you can also use it to watch live in VLC

>not a single person cheering
lmao

sso cute

i missed most of i´t :(

Why does Korea hate T-ARA so much

the black ones probably have stains on them

the fake bullying scandal

pathetic netizens with unbelievable high standards who do not forgive nor forget

T-ara is finnito in Korea?

As a leg enthusiast I don't mind

shows over make a thread

not exactly they have cfs and some drama and variety appearances again
but they're not nearly as popular as they were when they were challenging the very top groups

damn it vlive, you had one job

who is that

Taengoo

Who is your favourite in Led Belberu?

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omo nice legs taeng

hanbyul was in that group, right?

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thanks

you call those legs? lmao

no i don't remember

>Remember
Oh thank god, Apink is gonna perform a good Apink song this time

>bomi is the visual now
what happened?

remember was a mistake. toldya apink went downhill after nonono

>Only One
And they fucking ruined it
Fuck you Apink

give me bomi's forehead back

*sleeps*
God, they are boring...

remember was the jjang

I'd like Eunji a lot more if she stopped using padding

>ten replays
every fucking time...

That's just how asian TV works

did you guys switch to the vlive app?

>beat burger
what is this cancer

*snoozes*
Apink's discography is a perfect example of pure pop that everyone dislikes pure pop for, they have no catchy songs which IS a requirement for good pure pop

>comfy show threads a few days in a row
daebak

word, this oppa left them for gfriend

I want to shove Eunji against and fuck her hard

Apink is arguably the reason why so many purepop groups are stinking up the genre and giving the whole kpop industry a bad name

which is a damn copy of apink

when is apink dropping the retro 90s purepop meme

their latest song is just the worst and it's no wonder their song flopped on the charts

apink has no bad songs

her smug face is getting annoying now

PFFFFT HAHAHAHQHHQHAHAHA

>he haven't heard their shitty trance song
youtube.com/watch?v=ylzLNp1MIQo
Considering people here likes fx airplane it wouldn't surprise me if you liked this too

Girl groups normally start with purepop and then transition to sexier concepts. The reason we have so much purepop is that there are quite a lot of successful new groups.

lol

gfriend is more a copy of the first snsd singles desu

no, they're a copy of early days snsd
listen to "trust" i literally think it's snsd sometimes when it comes on shuffle

I wish every girl was a whore

Fuck, 00's kpop was so good

Now we've got this boring fucking purepop garbage

apink is the kind of hooky purepop everyone loved before the generic knockoffs bored them of the genre

late but still, SNSD next

well, there was ses and groups like that
kara and snsd started as purepop too

SNSD hwaiting!!!

I wish I was as badass as Rain

why dont you fuck off already

i dont hate beatburger, i hate this awful rapper hes let on stage right now

thanks

>Rain
Good old days

SES was totally different, and SNSD/KARA was never purepop garbage like Apink, Gfriend, Lovelyz, etc. now

It's just really fucking annoying annoying that we went from such an amazing error of Korean music and now we are probably in the worst spot ever in terms of girl groups where everything is the fucking same.

>Tiffany
THAT FUCKING BITCH SHOULD BE REFLECTING

wow wth is wrong with sooyoung's vocals, worse than yoona

tfw too depressed to open the stream and enjoy it with you

I like these sparkly outfits

What is wrong with Sunny's knees, they seem fine here?

I thought that she was dead

wow yoongie shines~

comeback this year

>zoom way the fuck out

tiffany should be reflecting

If it was up to netizens she would be dead

she looks like a literal skeleton at this point

Not enough focus on the actual talent, Taeyeon

>comeback this year
lolno

seohyun looks amazing

i think a single stage is easier on her knees
maybe promoting regularly and training for promotions aggravates her injury

Seohyun is actually the best looking SNSD now.

please disband snsd

Why can't we just have OT7
Tiffany really adds nothing to the group

it's was supposed to happen earlier this year already iirc but got postponed
soompi.com/2016/07/28/rain-aiming-for-music-comeback-end-year/

Fuck yess can't wait for some Taengoo aegyo Gee fancams

what are you idiots watching?

Sunny*
Word

vlive.tv/video/14368/BUSAN-ONE-ASIA-FESTIVAL---Opening-Show

shows almost over, make a lisa thread

Not this uggo, that's for sure

snsd that still look great

>yuri
>yoona
>taeyeon
>tiffany
>seohyun

snsd that now look buster
>the rest

Girls Generation perform as an OT8 for the last time before the knetizens literally murder Tiffany for not reflecting

wtf is with the cameraman

She has been the best looking for the last couple of years.

cosmic blasting is such a thrill, after 2 hours i ended on yeonjung of all cosmics

show's over?

>implying anyone wants to see these uggos in close up

>gaypop and gangnameme left
Shows over

>Hobos: The K-pop Group

Kinda, the rest is shit

That was pretty good 2bh

let's hit the image limit anyway

Can the next OP please photoshop a pic so the birthday hat fits?

people in kpg don't know drunken tiger?

>vlive.tv/video/14431/ReplayRed-Velvet-IRENE--SEULGIs-LieV---레드벨벳-아이린슬기의-눕방-라이브

subs when?

kpg only listens to shitty girl groups

vocals were shockingly bad though

He has one song that was good for one listen, lets not be crazy here

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you have to turn mute off.

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>he

Deleter

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well, this performance isn't the best lol

ewwwww

*vomits*

cutie

Don't know, but there were subs when it was first broadcast, so there should be some.

>damage control

her name is mfbty now

migrate

what damage?

>migrate to a deleter thread
no thanks

we're still watching a show, make a real thread after it's over

If the birthday hat doesn't fit I won't migrate