Any of you liberal fags read 1984 by George Orwell? Looking forward to that dystopia you are building?

Any of you liberal fags read 1984 by George Orwell? Looking forward to that dystopia you are building?

Stupid question I suppose, the US is too busy dumbing down its citizens for them to be interested in written words

You know George Orwell was a liberal, right? All of the violations of freedom commited by the governments in those books were in the intrest of effectivly waging war.

Correct. OP is an idiot. The book speaks of a fascist, authoritarian regime which is right wing.

wut?

Orwell was SLIGHTLY a liberal in the true sense of liberalism. He was nothing close to what the U.S. liberal has been concocted into today.

You are wrong. Big Brother was a left wing government. Orwell was left wing and he was warning of the dangers of going too far to the left

Big brother suppressed freedom of speech and freedom of thought. Big brother controlled the population using fear and also by controlling language (notably by removing the use of words that would be considered emotive). Sound familiar?

You spelled left wrong friend

Hitler was a liberal arts student who blamed all his countries problems on a group of people he considered to be 'privileged'. His party was called the national socialist party. Right wing was he?

Seems like some people can truly make themselves believe anything. Goddamn.

Do you faggots actually consider yourselves and the people within 100 yards of you at this very moment worthy or intelligent enough vote on what's best for everyone? Do you really think you don't piss and shit all over every right and opportunity you're given?

We all want to die a little bit whether you admit it or not. Keep the political distractions on Cred Forums

You can't vote on what's best for everyone. That's why we have politics to argue over who needs what and who is going to pay for it

Duly noted

No, we're too busy living in the Brave New World fuckfest you Ameritards are too fat to understand

It's not left or right wing he is warning about. It is totalitarianism and how totalitarians defend their entrenched position. It was published in 1949 - a right wing totalitarian despotic state had just been defeated and a left wing one was on the rise.

Pretended to be left wing to get votes, was actually an authoritarian centrist.

I just watched deliverance starring you

1984 is about right wing, animal farm is about the dangers of extreme left.
Source: read the books

Too many people get hung up on the false dichotomy of left/right because otherwise they get confused about who they're meant to disagree with

What are you blathering on about, Orwell was a democratic socialist writing about the dangers of totalitarianism. It's timeless because he set aside the left/right bullshit you can't seem to be able to think without and wrote a fucking book

You sure he was pretending? Facism/totilatarism is not a reserve of the right. It can be embraced by any group on the spectrum

He took power by champoining popular right wing ideology.

An excellent suggestion. I haven't read animal farm since I was 7 (so the message might have escaped me)

Lol wut? The republicans are aiming for that kind of oppressive shit, the democrats are just trying to preserve the america we all know and dont hate that much

I realky want Trump to win so everything goes to the shitter, you know, just to know what would happen if a retard gains the power of the world

Absolutely correct. The right/left thing is used to reduce a complex set of circumstances down to some easy slogans where you can point the finger squarely at something and declare it to be the cause of trouble. The simple solution resonates the most.

i really believe todays system is like in the book just a different version..

The simple solution is also easier for the less intelligent masses to understand

We aren't building a society based on Orwell's 1984. The society being built is based on Huxley's Brave New World. Only a teenager who has just read, or more likely watched the movie 1984 would think otherwise.

I suggest you actually read some dystopian futurist fiction before venting your teenage angst online.

Well he wasn't exactly a fan of social security, but he believed in investing in the country.

Got any recommendations?

Divided kingdom is good, set in Britbong

I'd start with Brave New World. It almost perfectly describes the modern world, then some Phillip K Dick, then go from there.

So if a nation invests heavily in education for all its citizens there's a tendency for their democracy to be more resistant to hijacking because reductive slogans stop working on a majority of people.

For me this is the biggest problem with cutting public education budgets in favor of user-pays education systems. You educate yourself and you do better economically, sure. But the real beneficiary is everyone around you.

Brave New World is fucking shit.
Written from a standpoint of moral values, which author considers to be eternal and perfect, and without any understanding of the fact that industrial age will ever be over.
Waste of time.

Thanks, I will read these. Truth be told I have likely fallen into the trap of only listening to the perspective that appeals to me, so anything which gives me alternative perspectives is appreciated

There is some truth to this - of the two I think Brave New World aged worse than 1984. I also still really like Animal Farm.

Moral values that are coming back, pushed by puritan Christian groups.

God says - don't masturbate and don't have sex before wedding.
Boy, that kinky bastard is really into blueballing, eh

I don't see your point to be honest.

Politics is about compromise. If we had enough resources so that everyone could lead the life they want then there wouldn't be any need for politics.
Tbh it's not a very clever point

Reading is for faggots, post some tits.

Orwell wasn't a liberal you dumbass
He was a trotskyists.

No it's all about who can shout the loudest and fuck anyone who disagrees with me because they're wrong. Also fuck anyone who has less/more stuff than me.

As requested

There is only one question you should ask to determine left or right.
> what do you think of private property in the means of production?

This is true, apart from within the halls of power fortunately.

Anyone read the book and watched the movie? What did you think of the film?

The same as every book that has been made into a film. It sucks.

Well, for them it's fuck everyone who's not them.

Cloud atlas and children of men weren't shit as films.

liberal then was different than liberal now.

But what if they approve of both private and public means.. or disapprove of both?

You trolling?

>Implying that liberals have sole claim to the responsibility of the impending dystopian future.
Wew lad.

Agreed it's not just the liberals, but their argument for removing freedoms is much more seductive and dangerous than the one coming from the right.

if you disapproving both than they are probably some kind of neo luddists and they are for natural economy. If not I'd like to hear their alternative.
If they are approving both private and public means of production, you've got to ask which sectors should be private and which should be public and in what extent.

O rly? Remember when the Republicans gave us the PATRIOT Act?

when do you see that both liberals and republicans are the same shit but in a different angle?
Always ask yourself: which social class does a candidate belong to? And you get an answer whose interests does he promote.

Yes and it's appalling. But two wrongs don't make a right and I suspect the liberals are on route to making the next wrong

Patriot Act passed with bipartisan support under R president. Reauthorization passed with bipartisan support under D president. You can argue which party is better/worse, but the truth is you have push back against the government no matter who's in charge. Governments need a certain amount of power to function, but they will always try to take more.

I think most people see the benefits of both. The centre (for my country) seems to be that transport, communications, education, healthcare should on the whole be publicly owned, along with the state providing libraries, museums, galleries etc. However, if you want to do these privately then go for it. There's little need for the state to own manufacturing or agriculture.

That was my point.
>sole claim

How do you figure? Take a look at Hillary & Trump, both are utterly terrible. (And no Johnson/Stein fags, neither really is a viable option.)

>under R president
Who's administration used fearmongering to fuck us in all sorts of new and creative ways.
>under D president
Who proved your point quite well by continuing to do so.

I wonder if you guys have a means of swapping a vote with a democrat/republican and both agree that you'll vote for whichever third party candidate you prefer.

Seriously? Are Johnson and Stein actually not viable compared to a power mad lunatic and a national disgrace. And yes, both descriptions apply to both candidates. How could they possibly be worse?

Too late, the inertia of the emerging plutocracy is too heavy to be stopped. Nothing we can do about it.

Similar things were probably thought about the French and Russian monarchies. Unfortunately the world is owned by banks now, and they can buy off/threaten the governments all they like

There aren't purly left countries in the morden world. Maybe that is why liberals are called left nowadays.

In the recent past the main difference between left and right was in the ways of managing surplus value and the consequent social hierarchy. If bourgeoisie can exploit working class and appropriate surplus value - then that country's policy is right-wing.

Not a matter of better or worse. Simply a fact that a legitimate 3rd party will never get elected.

He was a socialist who hated the idea of a culture centered around Political Correctness and shit like that.

He'd be spinning in his grave if he found out about the world today

Surplus value is now sold off to the incumbent's friends, then they get a cushy job in the private sector. It is de facto corruption, just indirect.