ATHEISTS.... PLEASE TELL ME WHY YOU THINK GOD DOESN'T EXIST

/thread

kinda like believing a random massive explosion happened out of nothing.

I dont pretend to know how the universe started. But if this is best an omniscient being can do.... Not impressed

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Hm. Massive Explosion out of nothing? You're autistic. Go watch some documentaries, when I hear ''just a theory'' ''accidental'' or ''explosion'' I just assume it's b8 or they are autistic.

I'm so brainwashed I read that as AESTHETICS

obviously autistic

Fucking what

please explain how it happened then if you are so fucking smart

Argument:
(1) If God exists, he must exist necessarily, if God does not exist his existence is impossible.

(2) Therefore, God is either necessary or impossible.

(3) God can be conceived without contradiction

(4) therefore, God is not impossible

(5) Since God is not impossible he must be necessary.

(6) Since god is necessary he must exist.

The assumption that God cannot be contingent is implicit in the concept of God itself.Therefore God cannot exist contingently.

because ive never seen one

can you say that again in english please?

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Atheism means you don't believe in a God. Agnosticism in my opinion is just some stupid word used to not be made fun of for being an atheist.

Every atheist does not believe in a God and I'm pretty sure that every atheist would believe there is one if a God provided enough evidence to prove he's real. And since there is no evidence, then most atheists say there isn't one

The only reason anyone believes in any specific god is because they were raised that way. It's pretty pathetic how people can't get past that indoctrination.

It's worded that way as to be misleading.

>no evidence
look at the fucking world around you. there's your evidence

i wasn't raised as a christian. science doesnt know the answer to the origins of the universe so how the fuck is god disproved

Evidence of what? God? Saying the universe is evidence of God because it was created by God is presuming in the first place that God exists. You big dumdum

>look at the fucking world around you. there's your evidence
I don't think disease, famine, war and every other terrible thing in this world is very good evidence

Even if your parents didn't raise you like that it's your entire culture. If you lived in India you wouldn't be a christian. And the God you currently worship would send you to hell for being born in the wrong place.

Also, Christians make the claim that God exists, therefore they have the burden of proof. Prove it wasn't the flying spaghetti monster. The one, true god.

you dont know if god exists or not

Atheists think it's vastly more likely OP is a faggot than some particular god exists.

> most atheists don't rule out the possibility that there could be one

>possibility that there could be one

>could be one

>one

really?

war isnt god's fault you stupid fuck. You can thank the wonderful human race for that.

Sure but there is literally no reason to think he does. And which god do you believe in? Your brand new christian god? Or the Hindu god(s)? Or Zoroaster?

OP is a fag

/thread

good one. very original

I have no reason to believe he DOES exist. I don't really give a shit either way.

literally no one can prove god doesn't exist so there is no reason to be an atheist

When you have religious wars because people can't agree on which god is real then yeah I think it's God's fault for not getting his message out correctly

Because for years when I needed him, I had no luck. I've given up on believing he is anything else but an imagination piece used to give the needy hope and the criminals validation.

Thank you, I certainly thought so.

Atheists do not believe in the lack of a god they lack belief in a god. stoopidhead

God's a story just like Santa Claus. Some adults just can't seem to grow out of the god story. A man dropping presents down every persons chimney in one night? Preposterous. A man in space who can hear everyone murmur to each other, now that, that I can believe. *Sigh, ignorance is bliss though

There might be a god. But I don't think if there is that he actually interferes in Earthly matters.
If there is a god he's like the host of the Twilight Zone - he might know something fucked up is going to happen to you, but doesn't lift a fucking finger to help you.

FNAF porn?
FNAF porn.

>random explosion out of nothing
Preposterous

maybe if retards didn't create fake religions and actually followed the real one.

Which is?

Christianity, duh.

>>random explosion out of nothing
>Preposterous

Op isn't a fag and is actually right about this god thing. Preposterous

If god is so powerful, why can't he wish the devil away?
And in the end times, why does god have to fight the devil right here on earth? why can't he do it on venus, or on the other side of the universe?

What it means is that evidence for or against God has no intrinsic value. If you start off with the premise that God *could* exist then you will always come to the conclusion that he does not exist. If you start with the premise that God *does* exist then you will reach that conclusion.

No matter which way you start, you end up with circular logic. Thus trying to conclude God's existence one way or another through pure logic and rationality is actually useless.

Thus when you look at the evidence you have to look at it as a whole, you have to consider it from two perspectives simultaneously:
- does the narrative make sense if I assume God exists?
- does the narrative make sense if I assume God does not exist?

Atheism would basically say the narrative makes 1% sense if you assume God exists and 99% if he doesn't, but the reality is much more like 95% for both cases.

because the devil is the ruler of this world. says so in the fucking bible. shows how much you know

Solipsist master race here. None of you are real, stop worrying.

Which god are you even talking about? Is there any god you don't believe in?

we have all of that because the devil rules earth. do some fucking research into the bible before you start spouting shit

if you say you are religious but yet you hang around on Cred Forums arent you already a complete fake yourself?

how can you jesusfags even start an argument here?

Religious people are all fucking deluded. They need to be institutionalised. But because so many of them share the same delusion they're free to live in normal society.

Please show me where in the Bible it says the devil rules the earth

stop thinking so hard for something that doesnt exist.

you could use this argument for santa claus wtf

Explain how what happened? Is an explanation helped by saying 'it was magical'?

who would win in a fight, Jesus or Popeye?

He is called, "the ruler of this world" at John 12:31, 14:30, &, 16:11 ;
John 5:19, God's Word says that, "the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one".

>look at the fucking world around you.
You mean look at this thin crust sandwiched between molten lava and the radiation filled coldness of space? You think that is evidence of some type of a god? How exactly do you define this god?

>Science doesn't know the answer to the origens of the universe
Are you fucking retarded, people have worked out what happened a thousandth of a second after the big bang, is that where God is hiding? In a thousendth of a second? Go back to the dark ages, I think they would like you there.

Because I do

I'd like to hear the devil's side of the story. Maybe god is a huge asshole.

God made man in his own image.

No, man made God in his image. Religion is a concept put in place to stop the masses from going berserk at the realisation that death is final.

Because the original bibles had the title "the bible story"

To them (religious people) it is easier to believe some omnipresent being came from nowhere and decided that our special little rock was so special that it deserved beings with free will and poof he made humans. Personally I believe in the cyclical universe theory which to me makes sense of what a big bang would be.

Why ask for proof from the Bible, as if it is some kind of authority on reality any more than the Iliad or Harry Potter. Look at how many Christian sects there are. Anything can be proven by the Bible, so nothing can.

If you are one of those who think the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was the Devil, than you might be surprised to learn that the Bible has the God lying and the Serpent telling the truth.

the bible was written by a bunch of desert dwelling protein starved bare assed jews who didn't know what a germ was, where the sun went at night or how babies were made.

Just one request from all of you religious folks. Prove to me that the bible wasn't written by some crazy old man high on opium, or whatever drugs they used back then. Prove that to me and I will believe.

theres nothing wrong with not fully understanding where everything came from.....we already know a lot and we will find out the rest in the near future.

saying that a divine entity in the heavens made us in 7 days is beyond retarded, its not really an explanation to anything, i'ts ancient tribal thinking

One word. Fuckin jews

God
>I'm against abortion
God
>go forth on crusades and slaughter any who oppose my word
God
>I shall smite all the first born of Egypt (aka killing children. Please see first god refrence if you cannot add 2 and 2 together
God
>thou shall not kill (please see above and below refrences)
God
>ima destroy an entire nation in one swoop of the sea
Need I say more flaw refrences from the Bible to acts of god If he is a forgiving and loving creator?

If it wasn't for the devil we wouldn't have clothes, running water or grocery stores. God's big plan was to have us living naked outdoors like a bunch of fucking animals.

Its obvious a wizard did it

Popeye

This is basically the position of most of the major names in philosophy, although usually expressed very differently.

maybe we would have fucking been better off living like that. Look at the state of this world. It's fucking terrible

Also if god is all powerful why does he need a bunch of people running around with books telling us he is there?

While the stories came from the people you describe, the Bible was written by educated people. The fact they were wrong doesn't make them uneducated. They were working with the best they had.

the bible was put together by emperor constantine who actually wrote "we needed a unifying story for the people of the new rome"

to his credit he actually believed this bullshit, and he had big mommy issues.

muslims took notice and 600yrs laters they too made a new book using the same stories that had been told for many years before jews or christians where even a thing.

this insight also preceded large territorial expansion

fucking dumb humans

We wouldn't even be here. The 'knowledge of good and evil' was the knowledge of procreation. The gods depicted in the Bible just wanted a care taker for their garden, and not a population of people.

God exists to be sure.

But how do your words inspire others to seek him out?

How do you bring them closer to God?

So many Milk toast Christians think they have understanding when if they were suddenly transported to first century Israel would find themselves unable to pronounce his name or even know the time of year of his birth.

Hmm ok

My theory on god is that he is a pan dimensional parasite that feeds off of people's beleif in him, so without belief he dies. That's why people knock on your door to conscript you into its service so that it can feed off of you.

Yes. We certainly need more polio, and to go back to wiping our asses with our hands.

because we like being edgy

they will probably find that nothing was going on there and the story actually surfaced a few centuries later

Your understanding of chronological history is very much out of order.

Many men have mislead you.

Simply believe in God and resist the urge to make permanent choices.

Good one

Checked

Bah dubs or not stuff was happening.

Too many witness lead to an oral History that was unknown otherwise at the time.

Double checked

ayy

is this what you tell yourself every day?

WHY DO NONE OF YOU RETARDS REALIZE THE DEVIL RULES EARTH

>/thread
>sage

>(3) can be conceived without contradiction
can be imagined*
subjectively*
If I imagine a dog, and you imagine a dog, do we have the exact same dog in our heads?

Because there's no proof that any God does exist.

Who the fuck cares tho

Cause he isn't real. Humans and human nature is the explanation for what you call the "devil".

>implying there is free will.
>implying god is good and gives a shit about us.

dubs are truth

oh do you know everything?

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No I do not nor do "priests, Christians, etc."

fucking fairytale's same stories different books

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I don't really think god doesn't exist, i'm just betting he doesn't.

We've been asking the heavens for god to make himself known for thousands of years and god hasn't made himself known. It wouldn't take much for an omnipotent being to do that.

We've formulated a lot of convoluted ideas to justify why he doesn't just make himself known. Like... it being a virtue to believe something without any proof or even the slight indication of evidence. We made that into a virtue, so that it could be a "true thing" without any basis for it being a good idea or reasonable.

So it just really sounds like we're trying really really hard to convince ourselves of something that isn't true.

I am a bit further along in the journey.

I simply watch for stragglers who are stumbling along in a stupor. Seeing if I can not awaken them. Or often I encounter vipers who I try to trip and stumble.

Really, if you look at the world and all its religions, there are only four reasonable conclusions regarding an omnipotent god: Either god doesn't exists, he exists but doesn't give a shit about humanity, he exists but doesn't give a shit about what you believe, or he exists but is a total asshole. So either there's no point worshipping him or you might go to hell regardless of what you do because there's no way of knowing whether your way of worshipping him is the "right" one. Therefore, worship is rather pointless. And I'd rather not believe that the world was created by a total asshole, anyway. There are plenty of nice things about the world, anyway.

clearly you have not read the bible. the devil rules this world. Thats why this world fucking sucks

this shit is only relevant to western society anyways...
if jesus was the son of god and he came down to earth to save us all.

did he not like east asians? could he not inform us about the americas? why didnt he have black friends?
do all fucking prophets had to come to the same area around the same group of people?
even today most of the human race has nothing to do with judeo christian stories
this whole shit is too local, its bullshit, and you only believe whatever people believe where you were born.

The snake was on the humans side, according to the Bible. Have you not read the story? The gods were all lying.

The devil does not rule the Earth Mankind does.
But ha and God whisper in the minds of those who seek them and ibfluence the path of mankind.

Until such time as God sees fit to cast the devil down one more time to try and fool us.

Many will be fooled.

lol....right dude, ill leave you to it then.

No proof.
Or at least it ain't what you think.

>clearly you have not read the bible
You mean the book filled with contradictions?

lmao

thank you

trips dont lie

Christ is but ONE avatar of God.

I do not presume to speak on behalf of any others or to those who are not actually seeking Christs prophecy.

History.

Are you stupid? God doesn't like nips, niggers, faggots, or Mexicans. Why should he? They were all created by the Devil.

Also, chekt

i remember some comic made a similar joke to what you said, apparently whatever the fuck happened in the bible only happen in a radius of 200 miles or so
no mention of anything outside of that middle east part

/cruise

the real one

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>be a christian when you can be a lv 8 thetan scientologist and have tom cruise on your speed dial
shiggidy

Christ often asked "Have you not read." It is obvious you have not read.

The snake was NOT on mankind's side.

He was the Father of the Sons of Cain who are the enemies of God and Christ. Men who to this day confuse others as to truths that should have stood on their own.

Men now doubt the existence of God because so many claim to be experts on behalf of God or against God and yet BOTH play for the same team and disrupt the REAL TRUTH,

GOD DOESNT EXIST LIKE THAT YOU DUMB SIMPLEMINDED FUXCK

:D

(1) If Cthulhu exists, he must exist necessarily, if Cthulhu does not exist his existence is impossible.

(2) Therefore, Cthulhu is either necessary or impossible.

(3) Cthulhu can be conceived without contradiction

(4) therefore, Cthulhu is not impossible

(5) Since Cthulhu is not impossible he must be necessary.

(6) Since Cthulhu is necessary he must exist.

then go fap to your loli traps
you have no argument other than this is what sounds nice to me.

you dont care about other people, thats why you would never consider the rest of the human experience.

youse a fake my friend.

AS you wish or you could ask questions and for the first time in your life get answers.

But hey it is your Journey.

Peace be with you,

You don't believe in 'the real one'? How does that even make sense?

Because science bitch

please explain some of those contradictions

I have a question. Why does the Bible have God lying to the humans about eating the fruit?

science has no answers to the origin of the universe

So is god evil or not omnipotent, then? If devil rules the world, it must be only because god wants him to.

I have no interest in Loli thanks.

I have no argument.

I just answer questions. Do you have one?

What makes you think I do not consider the human experience. Or declare me a fake?

You have not even asked me anything.

This thread is retarded enough as it is, but most of you guys responding to obvious bait aren't helping much either. These threads are aalmost always just intellectual circle-jerks.
Can't we just settle this with some people just don't care for or believe in God, and some do? I don't get why people on both sides are so hellbent on convincing people they have no hope of turning over to their side.

Faggily fagfagfag

Most Bible contradictions are explained by the Bible Geek. But Bible Thumpers won't much care for the answers.
robertmprice.mindvendor.com/biblegeek.php

Because lacking proof against doesn't constitute a reason to support
Few religions are as easy to wash aside as Satanism or Hinduism, but I can say nothing in ernest on truth.
I believe in Christ to an equal amount as I believe in literally every other religion. Science will usually be observed, but religion gives no conclusion. I believe it in Christ with .001% of my heart

cause its 3am and im bored

any one want to see a shitload of win today?

vol4
BANbhVS

Because the humans in charge of giving you his words decided they were more important then you are.

They don't want you to know Adam and Eve were not the first Humans ever and that they lead to men being here who worship both Good and Evil. It was not about fruit it was about who was Abel's Father and who was Cain's.

Now we have mostly liars telling us how to live and behave and worse fakers trying to steal the blessings God intended for you.

Birth of Jesus
Matthew (2:1)
- Jesus is born during the reign of Herod the Great. [37-4 BCE]
Luke (2:1-5)
- Jesus is born during the first census in Isreal, while Quirinius is governer of Syria. [6-7 CE]

Jesus' Genealogy
Matthew (1:1-16)
- Lists 40 generations before Jesus, starting with Abraham.
- Says Jesus' grandfather is Jacob.
Luke (3:23-38)
- Lists 76 generations before Jesus, starting with God.
- Says Jesus' grandfather is Heli.
Both
- Consistant with Abraham to David.
- Consistant on Salathiel begetting Zorobabel.
- Consistant on Joseph as Jesus' father.
- Disagree on *everyone* else.

Jesus' Arrival in Bethany
Mark (11:1-7), Luke (19:29-35), John (12:14)
- Riding upon a donkey (colt)
Matthew (21:1-7)
- Riding upon *TWO* donkeyes (ass & colt)

The Last Supper
Matthew (26:17), Mark (14:12), Luke (22:7)
- First day of Passover.
John (19:14)
- Jesus crucified on the first day of Passover.

Jesus' Last Words
Matthew (27:46), Mark (15:34)
- "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Luke (23:46)
- "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit."
John (19:30)
- "It is finished."

The Death of Judas
Matthew (27:3-10)
- Judas repents, proclaiming the innocence of Jesus.
- Judas casts the 30 pieces of silver into the temple, after (unsuccesfully) attempting to return it.
- Judas hangs himself (in an unknown location) in shame.
- The priests buy a potter's field with the silver.
- The field is named for Jesus' blood, because it was purchased with "blood-money."
Acts (1:16-19)
- Judas does not repent.
- Judas buys a field with his "ill-gotten gain/wages of iniquity"
- Judas then "falling headlong" bursts open, his intestines spilling onto the ground.
- The field is named for Judas' blood which was spilled upon it.

WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF A BREAD

I will just give 1 of the reasons i believe in design. Google katydid and look at all the variations, tell yourself it was natural selection and then slap yourself.

because in this day and age, people who believe in god still killing people who don't or believe in a different god in the name of their god
example : muslims

holy fuck you are so simpleminded

I have a question. How is it moral to punish an innocent victim for another's crime, and instead allowing the criminal to go free?

>there is a chemical reaction to become a god undiscovered by most scientists
>Jesus dreamt about it first
>It takes 1000 or so years of concentration to perform
>Jesus knew that electricity is alive, you are but a single electron conducted into a human brain
>You reside in the first cell that formed from your parents zygotes that the rest of your bodily cells split from (now located at the base of the neck)
>Energy cannot be created or destroyed
>You do not cease, but merely forget what you wish to
/Thread

nice google search bro. you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about

>be a christian
>browse Cred Forums of all places

dude, you being here is a sin itself - and don't try to trick yourself into thinking that you are here to save souls, since it doesn't work.
man, do i hate hypocritic christfags

Religion is only a means to control the populace and keep them in line. People realized long ago that if you told people a spiritual being would send them to a bad place when they die if they don't obey, they'll do what they're told.

that's it. though these days corporations and government have moved away from religion for the most part. but still include it.

So you are saying the Bible can't be trusted to describe reality? What good is the Bible then? On what basis do you think there is some kind of god, if you don't believe the Bible, and there is no other 'evidence'?

Books of a Tax collector and of A physician.
Who's records do you think would be more accurate when talking about taking money from Hebrews?

Next is understanding the reality of what happened verses the serious spiritual meaning.

Psalm 22 all of the above were said.

Judas did as Prophecy said he would.

He at least never intentionally mislead others as you are trying to do.

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It is NOT moral to do so.

You are not being punished for anyone else..

Adam and Eve prevented you living in the Garden that is all. You are in no way penalized for NOT living in the Garden.

Google is sin now? Don't do any research, user. God will kill you because you won't know what you are talking about. Just listen to the priest, and get on your knees.

cringe

>the reality of what happened verses the serious spiritual meaning
O rly?

>intentionally mislead others
Irony

God does not call men who are as pure as snow.

He calls sinner right where they are top preach right where they are.

I am not perfect and never will say I am.

But I can aim you to an example of perfection called Christ.

Besides I entered the thread to admonish op for not actually leading other to be closer to or to seek God.

too old

No I am saying you can find Christ in the words of the Bible but you have to find compassion in your own heart.

It is very easy to arrogantly decide to be an enforcer of Gods word rather than a follower.

>It is NOT moral to do so.
But ChristFags think Jesus was punished for other peoples sins. They think they can get off scott free if they just let Jesus take responsibility for their crimes.

no but it shows you dont fucking know shit

Because I don't have my own personal vagina to play with. What am I supposed to do with this meat hangar? It's only good for taking a piss.

i have to wonder if there is a god because the big bang makes no fucking sense at all and macroevolution is a sham. evolution doesnt work if you go back to the first single celled forms of life. if you seriously research how evolution is supposed to work you run into a multitude of statisticle impossibilities.

And they are wrong as they will soon learn.

Do not try to be them.

Try to seek God and the Truth not other men and their lies.

Because there's no conclusive evidence that he does. There's as much evidence for his existence than a cookie monster god. Should we believe in that too?

well you have 4.5 billion year to work with. mutations happen. entropy happens. aliens happen.

You contradict yourself as much as the Bible contradicts itself. ChristFags are so arrogant they think that they alone have all the answers to life's questions because of their imaginary friend.

>Statistical impossibilities
>In a rapidly expanding universe
>Who says the universe stops expanding
>What if matter can only be created
>Youisspelled improbabilities

I am God. Repent!

Simple, I can say it in one word. Sin. BECAUSE If they acknowledge God then they have to acknowledge what HE wants and they don't like that. Now they can't simply live for fun and do what ever they want. Now they have to obey Gods rules and NOT do all those fun things like: Get drunk, take drugs, curse, mutilate their bodies (yes incl. tattoos), have sex with anyone and anything they lust after (yes even animals or their own kind), kill, rape, listen to evil music, watch evil videos, and generally be an ass.

If they only knew what heaven was really like they would NEVER look back to these "fun" things the world (Satan) has to offer.

So yes, SIN is the reason so many people reject the truth and don't want to give up their little bit of pleasure now and wait patiently for eternal pleasures in HEAVEN.

If this ruffles your feathers its because YOU KNOW ITS TRUE....and the TRUTH HURTS doesn't it?!

Seek the truth and you will find it. Just pick up a Bible and start reading. I recommend John.

What am I doing here?..... maybe just typing this for you to read....?!

I know it's just bait, but it's such a shit use of philosophy I want to take the time to shit on it anyway

Atheism just means no belief in gods. Everything else you said is just stereotyping. Agnosticism is the unsure/indifferent.

PEPSI MAN IS OUR ONLY TRUE LORD

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Agnostic =/= Atheist

Because no one has ever seen him.

That which can be asserted without evidence and be dismissed without evidence.

Brother the world is filled with liars and thieves.

Many wear funny hats and try to convince you they know the mind of God.

All for just 10% of what you earn.

Feel free to ask question I am glad to answer for free.

But I am not going to trade insults or play games. That would be a real waste of time.

That's not what atheists argue against though. Most online atheists just talk shit about muh bible and don't go on past that to address any relevant problems that stem from religious belief today.
Arabs today fight for many reasons that are "kind of" related to religion, but would have still been used as an excuse for war if fundamentalist religion was not a widespread practice in the Middle East. Culture, sovereignty, politics, and resources are just a few of them. The entire issue is a lot more complex than "hurr durr Allah wills it" despite the fact that Muslims are in desperate need of their own equivalent of the Enlightenment/Scientific Revolution.

So gods a little bitch who can't even deal with one of his own angels? Not a compelling case for worship there

Read more books will you, and come back when your in age.

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Heavenly checked, ye of little faith.

Just because you're a fucking moron who doesn't understand it because he got his pseudo-intellect off a youtube video doesn't mean evolution doesn't work.

Tommorow your friend will accidentally shoot you 40 times and you will die.

Are you retarded as well?

then you have fallen into what is called "the god the gaps"

once you reach the limit of your understanding you answer everything with a god, happens in many cultures.

or maybe take a second look at biology? i promise its not bullshit lol

also, science is a way to incrementally learn more about the world.
not a static set of rules that you must follow and agree with.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ovlrV7SoPCo

>I'm on Cred Forums

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Ain't the Interwebs a blessing and a curse,

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One must have a bit of self respect.
I'm not going to accept a 2000 yo sandnigger as my savior.

yeah but evo defies entropy, straight up. and for a life form to come into being it would have to have mutated DNA, error correcting DNA, RNA, and all the biomachines that process all that genetic coding all at the same time. there are even more codependant properties of any life form that would all have to appear at once. including some kind of cell membrane since DNA is incredibly water soluable and life supposedly started in our oceans.

probably aliens.

youtube.com/watch?v=pkCJ8rb8Grw

you misspelled misspelled

God does exist. His name was Adolf Hitler

No but when Trump or Hillary introduce you to a Super Natural Being who claims to be either an Alien or the Second Coming of Christ, here to Rapture you away?

You are going to be fooled as are most of man kind.
All because our Churches are filled with liars more interested in Profit then in Prophets,

If the rapture ever happens, I really hope Jesus will take all his loonies up away in the sky and leave me on Earth.
I want nothing to do with heaven, eternity and all this shit.

Do you mean god, as abrhahamic god (jahwe), or any deity in general?

only evil humans and sociopaths believe in god...

the worst things humans have ever done have been in the name of some god.

and no other institution in the history of human kind can claim more pedophiles on its ranks than the catholic church.

it just goes to show how much filth and evil religious thinking brings to the human mind

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NO ONE HAS FUCKING DISPROVED GOD YET FFS

i get that, but we are talking about how this all came to be and i think a designer is as plausible if not more so than a series of random yet incredibly helpful mutations and other natural phenomena

Which one? We've worshiped millions of them. Why is yours real when the rest are not?

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you mean yahweh?

AS I have been trying to say.

There will be NO rapture. It is a false lie taught by ignorant fakers who claim to be holy men.

Armageddon is another thing entirely.

Entropy isn't local, it happens across the entire universe; local patterns seeming to defy it are powered by some external source of energy. Wonder what our source could possibly be?

Given that source, you learn the stats behind most of these processes in uni if you take bio sci and are not totally retarded; all of it checks out. Please stop talking as if you understood cell bio or physics at any sort of useful level.

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There is no actual proof either way. Atheists simply don't waste much time pondering the existence of a god like entity. However an atheist has spent considerable time researching different religions to validate this god thing. They are more likely to take direct action in their lives than pray for change. Atheists know religion is a huge scam and profits in the billions annually without paying taxes. We simply don't want to be a part of what we consider a truly corrupt system of control that is far worse and further reaching than any government. If a god did exist it according to most all religious texts i have read it would most likely hate humanity and would probably smoke a fat blunt while we kill each other off over dumb ass interpretation of human written and revised religious text - and laugh.

youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

Because if he would then why there were so many wars and dead people...

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To Atheists saying there is no evidence, I urge you to do research, and by that I don't mean listening to a militant Atheist who reinforces your already established views.

The evidence is in fact overwhelmingly on the Theistic side, if you're interested, Dr. William Lane Craig is an excellent source for philosophical evidence. You won't find "God of the gaps" there, just purely deductive arguments.

I would say scientific evidence exists, but it would be more correct to say, there is "Scientific evidence to support a premise in a philosophical argument that has theological significance", as Dr. Craig so eloquently put it, and that is true! One example would be how the standard Big Bang model predicts a beginning of the universe, and since it's common sense that anything that begins to exist requires a cause, we can conclude that the universe therefore, based on the big bang, requires a cause, etc...

It's actually very interesting and fascinating, and there is really so much evidence you would be surprised! Even historical evidence is extremely strong in favor of the Old and New testaments. You guys just need to care enough to look...

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Nonsense.

Christ emptied hell.

The 7 Billion+ alive on Earth today more than dwarf the number of humankind in all of History.

Don't you ever, EVER respond to my post again unless you're going to say something constructive. I have had it up to here with you jackasses ruining this board because of what you think are 'smart' or 'funny' comments, when really you're just trying to hid your insecurities by belittling someone on the internet. Why? What do you gain from it? Don't you realise that the posts you respond to have REAL people behind them? Real people that don't deserve the bullshit you think is acceptable to throw in their faces? Did your parents not teach you any decency or basic manners? Whatever the case, it ends NOW. It's time you little brats learned a thing or two about respect. If I catch you pulling this sort of shit again, believe me, there will be hell to pay.

The abiding lack of understanding between the terms atheist and agnostic seen in this thread is fairly disappointing.

I'd honestly thought even children knew the difference.

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Jes, sorry about that mistake, havent typed it a long time.

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Fuck your feelings

yes

God exists, the true religion is called pantheism.

Because he gave us free will.....he cant step.in and stop you everytime you jack off....he gave us free will and we ate off the forbidden tree and brought sin n death to the world...

you do realize the bible says the devil rules earth?

And in my language we type it Jahve, so my mistake ia smaller. But still my guestion remains

Nice bait godfag

And you know that how? Did you just guess out your ass?

(watches zeitgeist once)

So so far I've found two responses to questions based on philosophy; the "Sex and Love 101" sort of philosophy. Both arguments fell afoul of actual philosophy (of logic).

Got to say, that is not a promising start.

Which God?

Sorry!

Do you realize the humans wrote the stupid book and has heavily edited it over thousands of years? Its a great book of fiction not far from mother goose nursery rhymes

I couldn't agree more.

do you realize you are retarded?

You where really impolite user! Don't you have manners!?!?! Let me go ahead and one up you by literally breaking the law by nebulously threatening your person (Assault). I'm such an upstanding misunderstood guy, woe is me.

Logic at it's finest; manners mandatory in all post, legality optional

CHECKD. STAY BRIGHT PUPPER.

To you maybe but i have done my research. George Carlin is more a God now than any of that pagan bullshit

>Don't you ever, EVER respond to my post again

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George carlin is dead

microevolution exists. we see it all the time. but macroevolution is bs. there are so many missing links, not only with humans, but with any organism. i had caterpillars in my backyard that straight up looked like bird shit. they would also contort the top part of their bodies to look just like a snake head, with markings on the skin for the eyes and nostrils even. if i messed with them they would extend a red forked snake tongue looking thing right out the top of their fucking heads or right where the snakes mouth would be! now tell me that the snake head shape of their bodies plus the eye and nostril markings plus the forked tongue were all a product of seperate Random mutations! for any of those mutations to help the caterpillar they would have all had to manifest at the same time. you tell me natural selection did it, ill tell you to fuck off.

Jesus has to fight the rest of the gods hibernating inside the earth imprisoned as soil nutrients until they are absorbed by a human when they arise for control of the earth

Why he is more a God now dumb shit

How I, or that mister, knows whitch ones are your posts?

u persian?

Same here, religiousfags always called the devil as the "dark one" or the "dark lord" for being so "evil and devious" just because he did "bad" things, it wouldn't be bad if there wasn't a moral standard, everything would be fine.

"Rules" is not the right term.

From the beginning he wandered to and fro upon it.

And When God saw fit to place mankind upon it he and his ilk left their place of "Habitation" and began to try and interfere with Gods plan and Promise. (Genesis 6:4)

Since the time of Christ Super Natural beings have been pretty much forbidden from being on Earth and Mankind has been left to rule itself course we are still all subject to the whispers of the Super Natural.

We can hear the Holy or the Unholy Spirit..

Id Ego Super Ego as I like to teach here or an Angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other.

> thinking microevolution and macroevolution are actual things

You're a fucking retard. It's just evolution, you knuckle-dragging troglodyte. The only people who use terms like micro/macro evolution are creationist shit-stains who have no other recourse in refuting the truth of evolution.

Besides, by your own definition, the only difference between micro and macro evolution is time. Which means you're basically saying, "Sure, changes can happen over a few decades or centuries. But organisms changing over millennia or eons? BULLSHIT!"

Literally KYS.

when jesus got nailed to the cross

Every period and territory had their own gods - so thatswhy I just cant believe in any. Its just to ridiculous to believe in someones imagination. There are to many religions and estabilshments. Every differs from other. You understand??? ITS JUST SOME IMAGINATION! You just cant hold some stupid imagination related to specific place and culture! Why we dont believe now in e.g. Zeus??? Just use Your brain You sheep...

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Little reason to make up what they have already claimed though THEY may have made it up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

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well i do know that information doesnt arise out of nature in any meaningful way. and i know that in all studied mutations the organisms only ever lost genetic info, never gained it. seems like pretty localized entropy to me. i also know that you are really just as clueless as any one of us.

i cant imagine whats its like to be a fucking atheist. fucking emo depressed fucks all of them

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>You Sheep

Newfag Confirmed.

lol, with this hate you are surely a christfag....

FAKE MOTHERFUCKERS

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they're not mutually exclusive

On the subject of god beliefs, you are either a theist or an atheist. It's a binary position. A dichotomy. There are literally no other options.

Gnosticism and Agnosticism are about claims to knowledge. You can be an agnostic theist, a gnostic theist, an agnostic atheist, or a gnostic atheist.

You'll find the vast majority of atheists, self-proclaimed or otherwise, are agnostic atheists. Those that say they're agnostic are actually, in fact, agnostic atheists. They don't claim to know whether gods exist, but they also don't hold any personal beliefs in one. Therefore, they are a-theistic. As in: They don't believe in a god.

Anyone trying to make the thing into anything more than a binary position is a fucking coward too afraid of what other think of them.

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literally no one can prove god does exist so there is no reason to believe in god or some shit.

no bitch, what im saying is organisms do mutate. into slightly different variations of the same organism. NOTHING ever becomes a completely different organism. mainstream scientists believe orcas evolved from wolves! LMAO get the fuck outta here with that bullshit! haha

Arrrright pirate let's get em

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You're both fucking retards. You definitely distinguish between micro and macro evolution when you study ecology at a university.

One idiot miss using a term doesn't invalidate it.

>There are literally no other options.
Not true the option are limitless.

I believe in God.
I believe in Christ.

I follow Christ teachings and Worship only God.

Oddly though if what all men have said of God is true and what I have witnessed is irrefutable?

I find I do not much like God.

I hope I am wrong.

Which one is it really because Christianity is quite younger than about 3 others.

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which came first the chicken or the egg? which came first DNA or the protein?

i agree, retarded people created the fake christian religion out of judaism

we should all follow Ra then, or some ancient god that is sure to be the real one cause he came first.

> the options are limitless

No, they're not. You missed the point entirely.

Belief in god, gods, deities, etc, has the possibility of two positions. You either believe it, she, he, or they exist, or you don't. Saying, "I don't know if they exist." isn't an answer on belief. You are either a theist or an atheist.

Whether you claim to know if your position is true or not is where gnosticism and agnosticism come into play.

Innocent until proven guilty right? Let's hear him out.

If he fucking exists.

Given that your reply shows that you hold to the popsci definition of entropy rather than the actual one, no, I'm sure I'm at least significantly less clueless than you are.

As to information not arising out of nature in any meaningful way, just, fuck, I don't even know how to respond to that it's so incredibly stupid. Short lived organisms provide evidence of evolution literally every day; both in the sense of a shift in incidence of different genes and in mutations causing new alleles or completely new genes.

New mechanism (information) arises from nature in this method literally every day. You arguing otherwise is just exposing your characteristic ignorance on the subject.

Christ fulfilled the prophecy that was made to the Hebrew people..

Thaqt there are today liars who try to usurp that prmise and claim it remains unfulfilled and yet syill lord it over others calling them cattle and prtending onlyu they are the chosen ones?

It is offensive.

Messiah has been and has gone they rejected him once another chance is not promised.

ok im out guys.....this was pretty lame and uninformative, same bullshit religious arguments

what can you expect from the largest pedophile sect in the world

god is real but he is gay

> the same organism

So are we gonna get into the discussion of "types"? You know, that bullshit thing creationists do to half capitulate to the insurmountable evidence in favor of evolution while simultaneously pretending like they've drawn some arbitrary line between what is and isn't a "different organism"?

Those discussions are fun, and always good for a laugh.

And again, why can you accept that small changes happen over a short period of time, but can't accept that big changes may occur over very long period of time?

You're literally contradicting yourself while pretending like the overwhelming evidence in favor of long-period evolution is just 'wrong'.

bye faggot

My point is that the distinction is irrelevant. That other poster is acting like one can exist without the other. It's a completely asinine distinction.

OK.

Then again you ignore the third option.

Which is in fact the entire reason for mankind's existence.

Their are those who have yet to choose and they are exactly what the entire battle is about.

The lost sheep.

The ones who just can not decide or worse have been fooled into the wrong choice.

But don't worry about it you all still have time.

As I said I stopped in to admonish OP not folks who are trying to decide the path they want to take in life.

If god doesn't exist why he gave me those dubs ?

Stay bright pupper

You will get your chance, and you will realize you heard it before.

God is fair..

Don't worry too much about choices right now.
If you make the wrong one's hopefully there will be some one you can blame..

Now you get to decide what parts of this post are serious and which are not.

You are welcome.

i know right? fucking jews, cant even recognize their own prophet.

lets just start anew ,this one is called jesus, he true god for reals not like the other 1,000.

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So was most of Algebra.

You just have to try and sort through all the info and decide how you want to treat others.

You're either baiting really fucking hard or you're just willfully thick.

If you haven't "chosen" a belief in a deity, then you DON'T BELIEVE IN A DEITY. Ergo, you're atheistic.

Fuck's sake, why is this hard to understand?

> the lost sheep

Seems a pretty apt definition for yourself. Shame you've decided to align yourself with the pack of wolves. And, just like the wolves, your religion will eat you alive, leaving you an frightened, empty husk in the end.

But you still have time, friend. Free yourself of your bronze-age thinking. The future is much brighter. We have electricity, after all.

Then argue that, or go ahead and call the other guy a shitstain or something. Just don't claim the terms have no value; more than anything you're just validating him by allowing useful terms and ideas to be discredited because someone miss used them.

Letting an idiot have a say in how science is done or discussed is not a step forward.

Too bad you do not understand the difference between a Jew and a "Liar who claims to be a Jew."

Revelations 2:9 or 3:9....

Just treat others the way you would want to be treated regardless of who they are.