Why are liberals so stupid when it comes to energy supply?

Microwave power transmission. No wires needed.

>what is a battery

Sounds like a hackers wet dream

>strawman

Most liberal ideas of Motorized transport are a massive battery in the place of the gas tank, which will hold enough energy to last for X amount of time, and power the car. typically the car would be charged the same way one charges a phone.

batteries in that capacity are stupid, too much cost in upkeep and environmental impact to humans and animals. They're only semi-feasible in home use and even then homes still need to be wired to the grid for cloudy / less windy days.

What kind of downy would connect public utilities to the internet?

t. unreviewed hypothetical scientific publishings

The ones currently operating the grid

It's less like space wifi and more like an invisible industrial laser beam just blasting down to a receiving facility 24/7.

The same downy's that invented the internet to connect up their nukes?

The same dipshits that made SkyNet.

They are, but except nuclear aren't pumping millions of dollars bribing politicians and funding stupid biased shit like OP to force their interests.

So was electricity 100 years ago. If not we know for a fact that we can collect energy from a laser. since, ya know they can heat things.

So then what would be the difference?
Also I think it's more localized than that.

Once upon a time everything we have now was:
>unreviewed
>hypothetical
>unpublished
Try killing yourself before you vomit your bullshit.

>hypothetical
You are aware it's been tested and proven, right retard?

Nice picture, very clear demonstration of poorfags thinking you can't own 2 cars

>tfw too intelligent for conservatism

Cred Forums Pass user since January 2016.

>So then what would be the difference?

Massive incentive to hack, the grid is already reported as vulnerable to hacks, but it's such a "web" that it might be difficult to take out large areas.

My father has a home solar array. It has saved him money, and kept his lights on when the grid is down from winter storms.

I wish electric cars could be solar and wind powered somehow. The drive radius would be off the charts.

What incentive? If it's state sponsored we already have nuclear warheads aimed at every village in Africa 20 times just for good measure.

You forgot about oil shale rock

Connect to the internet? A satelltie is just floating up in space, you point a dish at it and beam. What, you think there's going to be a isolated landline connecting up to something in space?

Iff a welfare system for swapping standardized batteries was a thing, charging your car would be faster than pumping gas. Imagine how cheap it would even be in an area with cheap energy? Germany and Washington state/vancouver would be 20 USD to drive 200 miles.

I think we have alot of very smart cryptographers that have secured much more complex things.

The problem is that the batteries are so big and heavy that it would be inconvenient to just swap them out every time you need to charge.

Yes but batteries have a crippling capacity and a ridiculous charging time. Could you imagine how backed up charging stations would be when cars are literally charging for 30-40 minutes every 4 hours?

A friend of mine has a small uhm..
hydroelectric power station (?) he uses to power his house & one of his cars. It's convenient for shorter distances of travel (~100km) like shopping and so on. And if it's farther away he uses the train or other public transport since he's not such a fucking retard as you.. hurrdurr after me the deluge, fuckiing liberals hurrdurr

Still waiting on the self driving cars from minority report.

That's why you have a charging station at your house.

not to mention, Technology is getting more efficent and more microscopic all the time.

I consider myself liberal, but sad fact of the matter is renewable energy has a long way to get anywhere near as powerful as conventional power sources, and the repair and maintenance resource cost is still high.

Yeah, build a huge solar array in the middle of the sahara, but you'd be replacing them before you got half way.

Invest and research renewable, nuclear power keeping things going. Needs to be done.

Well hopefully it would be secured like the nukes hopefully are, but I don't assume that. I'm not too confident that the people who might be involved with the project, if the govt. were directly involved, would take the level of security measures that this hypothetical microwave ray satellite should have.

I found in 2012 a tesla had a 60kwh battery and went 200 miles. in seatle electricity is 0.10 USD per kwh, so thats 6USD for 200 miles. Plus some cost for upkeeping the battery pool plus the cost of upkeeping machines to automatically replace batteries that big.

Say you payed a company a monthly fee to swap your battery at one of their stations that they already had charging. Plus the cost of the energy depending on the actual cost of energy in the area.

the sun is literally always shining and the wind is literally always blowing

How to confirm you're a retard: the post

wasn't there also someone with the idea to charge the cars via induction while driving on the street? (with some solar & wind plants next to the highway)

>Why are conservatives so stupid

fixed

On but it doesn't change the face that if you drive 2 hours any direction you inevitably have to charge your car. It's impractical for the foreseeable future. Battery technology hasn't changed much in the past 100 years despite attempts to make them better. The future is hydrogen fuel cells and we should be focusing on that technology instead.

Considering the fact that an investment like this would be so goddamn expensive that several of the more wealthy nations would invest in it, i'd say they would be directly involved.

but its also always raining and yet there is no rain energy being used yet!

The issue with that idea is the increase in cost of upkeeping the added infrastructure. I doubt people would be willing to pay double or triple their tags just for that. And what, are you just going to give people free energy? how could you accurately measure how much someone used?

Swapping the battery is the only practical way of making the electric car viable. Otherwise it won't make it in the market no matter how much people push for them.

>there is no rain energy being used yet
What feeds hydro-electric plants on rivers?

Well shit, Hydrogen cells would also be a very good idea, but our research into general use for them isn't very extensive, is it?

and for that matter, since we're talking about Hydrogen fuel cells, do you know if we've made any great progress with cold fusion?

mountain spring water

>what is a waterweel?

how do you catch rainwater with a stupid wheel, stupid?

well... there are lakes in the mountains and rivrs flowing... i guess we use some of your so called rain-energy

And yet you pay for a Cred Forums pass

So what I want you to do is go find your first smarphone. Look at the rated capacity of it's battery. Now look at your current smartphone and look at it's rated battery capacity. The one in your current phone is probably smaller in physical size and larger in capacity. How could that be?

by their mileage derp

...

2/10 made me reply

we already charge highway-tolls in many areas. Same system. The toll would be mre expensive but u would already include your energy consumption

Cars are more efficient on the highway and less on streets.

Companies that sell heaving moving equipment for industrial purposes already have hydrogen fuel cells in their equipment. They're typically 20-30 years ahead of the automotive industry. In the early 80's they had already developed regenerative braking, hybrid systems, battery changeouts, etc. Its all old technology and it will not progress much more than it already has. Which is why they developed hydrogen fuel cells.

kek, true the stones produce water.. everyone knows that, they're called waterstones and are only found in the middle of big mountains

Holy shit, i had no idea. Thank you, researchfag.

Who actually pays highway tolls? Nobody would ever use it. The system would need everyone to use it otherwise it isn't worth putting the matching electronics on the car so people couldn't use it.

Even if it wasn't something already done you are arguing something hypothetical for use in getting electricity to the ground from something even MORE hypothetical? And you think yours is the bigger issue? Really?

>stones produce water

More efficient technology around the battery? It's like putting a 2 HP motor into a 200 lb car then putting the same motor in a 100 lb car. The motor does less work and therefore uses less power thus increasing the time it can work on the same fuel supply

And those batteries are filled if environmental polluting things and are powered currently by environmental polluting methods. This is how liberals think.

welcome to europe ;) we do pay in most places (except germany I think, there it's payed via tax)

no, I'm teeling you to look at the capacity of the battery. Not the average screen on time. The capacity.

And no the things around the battery have not gotten better, we keep ramping up what the battery drives to offset efficiency improvements. Like 5 inch hd screens and quad core 2 Ghz CPUs.

You think... you're going to hack.... a microwave beam?

We pay with taxes in the USA too, so nobody uses the toll roads.

look at this glorious example! Freshly mined from the center of the Alps

Hydrogen is not an energy source, it's an energy storage solution.

Yeah companies that have say 200 forklifts have their battery and power usage down to a science, they can project exactly how long they last based on the age and work load. So instead of changing them every 4-5 hours they just drop a hydrogen fuel cell in the place of the battery and that lasts 2 days on a 5 minute refuel. It's amazing technology. In whistler BC all their city buses are hydrogen powered.

It would have to be controlled somehow to account for drift and to disable the beam if the facility has to go down for maintenance.

Yes sir, we are talking about batteries. welcome to the conversation.

Because everyone with valid points are engineers right? What are you autistic?

And what's wrong with a dyson sphere ?

ITT: Cred Forums solves the energy crisis.

nice, someone listened in school

>ITT: Cred Forums has solved the energy crisis

wow, that's good news!

Not to mention in 2 years a battery this size loses 50% of it's capacity and then it will be done in another year.

But that's the next practice step in energy. Using hydrogen to do the work as opposed to batteries.

>Are filled with environmental polluting things
And these environmental pollutes are of no concern if disposed of properly.
>Powered by environmental polluting methods
Oh you mean like Solar, Wind, and Nuclear power? You could make a small case for the nuclear methods producing large amounts of waste, and you'd be wrong, as the amount of waste produced in comparison to the power output is so negligible, it's like comparing a space heater to the sun. (Even then, the waste is of no issue if properly disposed of.)

Is this bait or are you that deluded/ retarded?

But how would we produce (or convert) the energy into a usable (or storable) form?

That's... amazing...

Aside from the fact that it's nearly impossible to construct, and even then, it would be so goddamn expensive, that it would not likely be worth it., nothing.

Wut? Do you honestly think when half of the country is recharging their cars every 4-5 hours for 40 minutes at a time is going to be acceptable or work? Because that's the delusion companies like tesla are selling right now.

then tell me plz if we already have proper means to dispose nuclear waste. Other than storing it somewhere and hoping nothing happens.. plz tell me!

You think nuclear power is non polluting? Really? So you say if disposed of properly. Do you know how they dispose of those things because I do and it isn't like they are recycled or something like that. Radioactive waste has to be stored for a VERY long time. There is no way to reclaim it or reuse it in an environmentally safe manner. Around 97% of nuclear waste is of the low level to intermediate level and while this is not as dangerous as the high level radioactive waste that makes up the other 3% it is still not something that can be dealt with in any other way than storing it until it's radioactivity decays to a safe level and that isn't in our lifetime. Do you want one of these facilities near where you live? Most people wont.

yea, hydrogen really sounds like a better energy-storage (no irony)

kinda like this, and the gasses go in a tank

I don't think you realize a Dyson sphere isn't supposed to be built by humans at our current time. It's meant for a Type II civilization; humans are currently Type I. I'm sure perhaps a long time in the future, when the technology develops and we enter Type II, it'll be a possible feat.

ahhh, cmoooon! it's easy to build a huge mantle around an entire sun! We just need to ask Trump, and tell him that it's a big wall around the sun, he'll shurely make the aaliens pay for it^^

>it's nearly impossible to construct
>it would be so goddamn expensive, that it would not likely be worth it
These aren't even the hard parts. Hell, money is only a problem because you people keep worshiping the false idols of the coin and dollar like profiteering wasn't the only true sin of mankind.

The problem is it would take literally all of the matter in the solar system, possibly more to construct, and that's before we consider the defense systems it would need to protect itself from meteors and the like now that we don't have gas giants protecting the inner system.

Well obviously not, But there are ways of re-using Radioactive waste in the form of reprocessing. It's basically the Nuclear fuel equivalent of watering down beer, but yes, the Extremely radioactive material is almost unusable. So you got me there.But the point still stands. it is not a major issue, if disposed of properly. it's not going away, and it's definitely not safe, but it's not hurting anyone, so long as they are careful with it.

And what about Solar and Wind power, as well as Hydro-electric, and Geo-thermal?

>humans are currently Type I
We're not Type I yet. A Type I is supposed to be able to efficiently harness the entirety of the power capacity of a single planet. Type II are able to do this on a system scale.

The major benefit would be you can use any any power supply practical for the area to product it. Solar in the middle of the desert, tidal power on coasts, you get the idea

Or anything.

Oh my bad. It's been a while since I read up on the Kardashev scale.

>keep worshiping the false idols of the coin
sane people on /b? is this real life?

You're only furthering my point.

No, no, how are going to produce the energy to be stored??? >Didn't take physics, i took Chemistry instead.

Gas is a fossil fuel. Learn shit.

And batteries production cause 3x more damage to the environment

yea... if they would be careful about it. BUT... it's waaay cheaper to dump it in the sea, so that's what happens most of the time.. sadly

You seem to mistake me for the person who was arguing in favor of a dyson sphere.

Well that's the problem, isn't it? Capitalism's a bitch.
>i was only pretending to be retarded.

See

how do you produce energy? kek.. however u want, if u like i can cycle and use a dynamo, or a solar plant,.. whatever you whish. There are lot's of ways to produce energy
look :

Oh. Well okay then.

Yeah, i'm starting to remember, now, Because Hydrogen is a very reactive element, it has the ability to store a lot of potential energy, thus making it a perfect battery!

FUN FACT: gas and oil has been obsolete since the 40's
but the government cant control free energy from zero point generators

>someone points out you missed the bigger problem over the two minor problems you posted
>hurr durr a retarded liberal is proving my point for me
>no way someone could agree with me that the sphere is an impossible ridiculous idea and just had information I didn't post, no sir
How many cocks have you sucked today? Have you beaten yesterday's record yet?

i dont understand why would anyone WANT to keep giving saudiniggers money?

Exactly. This is the only viable option to replacing gasoline and diesel in vehicles at this time. It can be refuelled in a similar manner as gas and diesel, and the only byproduct is distilled water.

and what generates that electricity that you use to charge that battery?

This. Bankrupt dune coons=bankrupt the Middle East=no problems for real civilizations to flourish

depends on your country
for france it's mostly nuclear which is objectively the best source of energy at the moment

A turbine. We put a conservative in it and hang up a picture of a dollar. He'll think it's a real dollar, run towards it and spin the turbine, generating power.

Since they don't believe in abortion they'll keep making retard rape babies with their cousins and sisters, so we'll never run out of them.

I was saying I was acting retarded, Not you. You are right, i did think that you were in favor of a dyson sphere, and when i realised you Weren't, i felt like a dumbass.

Maybe try to relax a bit, eh?

Wouldn't clouds cause a problem with that?

Oh no, Perfectly healthy drinking water, what do we do?

There is a problem with with having dozens of megawatt- range masers (that'd be a "microwave laser", you fuckin idiots) being aimed into our atmosphere…

It's mostly that microwave frequencies are really good at heating up water, and there's plenty of that in the air. So we would heat our atmosphere directly, and we would do it at specific points instead of evenly. I somehow don't think that would be good for weather patterns. It *might* have a negative impact on the environment.

It would probably blast through clouds just like massive solar farms do.
>implying that they're any better for the environment by affecting weather patterns

...

because they're afraid of nuclear energy due to being low information fucking idiots

we should have modern nuke plants fucking everywhere.

Shut up peasant and pay my fuel subsidies so I can get richer.

So many "liberal" ideas are stolen from socialism.

[Citation needed]

And Soviet Union doesn't count

What if I'm driving a shitbox with half flat tyres with three passengers and a bootload of luggage? My consumption per mile will be higher because that weight takes more energy to move dipshit.

Like so many other things liberals take a hard stance on, there is a reasonable answer that they've completely ignored. If the "energy problem" was really about producing clean energy, we'd be building nuclear power plants. It's safe, cheap, reliable and clean.

But it's not about energy. It's not about the environment. It's about control. They don't want everyone to have abundant energy. They want to control those who disagree, force their compliance.

Liberalism is a cult. Their policies and beliefs are not about practical outcomes, they're about controlling others and, in particular, those who dissent.

In the U.S. we generate electrical power using the following;
Natural gas—41%
Coal—27%
Hydroelectric—10%
Nonhydroelectric renewables—10%
Nuclear—9%
Petroleum—4%
Other sources—0.4%

What we call nuclear "waste" can actually be used again in modern nuclear reactors. What is needed is for all of our nuclear reactors to get an upgrade to modern technology, and we need more reactors to serve places that have traditionally only had more dirty forms of energy.

>hybrid cars
>hybrid

and that cost to build and use would be?

I hope you retards know there's more energy then just solar and wind, there's plant Base fuel systems to name one.

>stolen
It's been known that modern moderate-liberals (those are the ones who don't want to kill you for not being a transracial genderqueer polycuck and understand their system is imperfect, but prefer stronger economic regulation by the government through taxation in exchange for social programs such as funding infrastructure and healthcare, legal limitations stressing on keeping the wage gap between economic classes low, and market regulation of the middleman merchant instead of the producer) have been borrowing ideas from socialism while modifying them to fit their overall design in place of the more overtly totalitarian systems of socialism where the means of production is seized by the government and there is the idea of a shift to a communist disestablishment of social and economic class altogether (as this is inherently impossible, albeit would be nice on paper).

hurr durr better call other people retarded instead of thinking.. fuck you, fucking cunt

A small price to pay for the survival of our species considering the CO2 levels in the atmosphere are dangerously high

Probably to the tune of a couple billion dollars. It would cost pennies in the long run. It would cost nothing compared to keeping us reliant on coal and oil for fuel.

We're trying to stop the rainforests from disappearing, not push them along the log cutter faster.

So if you charge your car battery, aren't you just using fossil fuel? Did you just "move" that gas pump down line?

btw, the retarded liberal was talking about nuclear waste in this context and not about the sphere.
Here's my opinion about that:
and that's called irony

kek, trying/10

try to learn physics, you will know what the best power source is.

There are plenty of problems with hydrogen fuel.

>difficult to store
>difficult to transport
>fuel cells have low power output per given weight / size
>I.C.E engines become brittle and break down running hydrogen
>hydrogen is very expensive to produce from an energy perspective (this can be fixed if we were producing a shitload of nuclear power)

That's a short list, there's many more. Not saying I disagree. The optimum energy solution, given today's technology, is nuclear + hydrogen.

Besides, through ethylation or alkylation, using hydrogen and carbon capture, we could produce heavy hydrocarbons (in the gasline or diesel range). It would be carbon-neutral and therefore non-polluting.

Because conservatives don't believe in climate change.

Yes. And every time you convert energy from one form to another, you lose some energy to entropy. But the turbines used at power plants are much more efficient than the combustion engines in a car and electric motors are much more efficient than engines. You could potentially save quite a bit of energy by moving to electric vehicles, even with the extra conversion from fuel to electricity to mechanical energy.

kek, cameras above the freeway? That is how they do it here.

Yes we do but most libtards believe it's because of the industrialized nations carbon "footprint" when in fact it's a natural cycle that the earth goes through.

Can we all agree that wind turbines are too big, too ugly, too inefficient and a complete waste of time?

10% hydroelectric in the U.S.

That's wavelength-dependent. Your kitchen microwave is usually around 2.4 GHz, where it is best absorbed by water. Obviously you use another frequency.

No, No, Most conservatives Do not believe it is happening. at all. Whether humanity is making a noticable impact, is debatable. What is NOT Debatable, is that it is in the begining stages.

FYI distilled water isn't perfectly healthy to drink (at least on regular basis), u need them minerals

Science is still young.

>too big
There is no such thing as too big.
>too ugly
We'll paint flowers or something on it since you have no dick and don't like the glory of machinery for machinery's sake.
>too inefficient
We're working on that, be patient.
>and a complete waste of time?
No.

I wouldn't say "most".

Idk if you have been reading the news but the co2 levels have reached a tiping point and it's probably not gonna return too normal. So it's just natural right?

>microwaves
Let's beat global warming by beaming in literal heat into the atmosphere!

nice map

did you make that in MS Paint?

It's not going to harm you, is what i'm saying.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. No matter what the source of the energy, it's in electrical form when it leaves the power plant, so that energy is lost to entropy.

Eat shit faggot

I'm getting at most electrical power generated in the U.S. is produced by fossil fuels.

The more energy you use, the more you pay.
Your energy per mile does not count, what counts is what you fill into your car.
Just like if you are going to fill up your car on a gas station.

Most cars nowadays tell you how much fuel you used, because many of them have an onboard computer.

>too big
Waste of materials and the area of land used/ energy produced is fucking terrible
>too ugly
Ruins the natural landscape
>too inefficient
We already have much more efficient sources in use
>complete waste of time
Unless you're aiming for sjw brownie points , yes

yeaa.. true. ocean dumping was forbidden mid 90s, but u can still dump the less radioaktive water in the see. i.e. look up Sellafield and then look at the measurements of the ocean nearby

We had electric cars in 1915. If you conservicucks didn't love pumping oil into your own asses on a daily bases we could have already had far better technolgy. Since you are all greedy fucks that don't want to pay taxes because you are smart. We are stuck in a technology gap until the last oil man chokes on a big black dick.

see
Infrared is literal heat, you mong. Understand your electromagnetic spectrum.

typical libtard reply

Shouldn't you be in church faggot?

And I'm getting at the fact that using an electrical vehicle makes more efficient use of the energy generated by fossil fuels so you can burn less of them.

Microwaves are not Heat-based, You're thinking of a different electromagnetic wavelength, known as thermal.

>Claims liberals are stupid when it comes to energy
>Posts comic that's ignorant about energy
Kek

So my point is ...

you're just moving that gas pump

down the line

We need more nuclear powered generators

Yes, we agree on that. However the point in doing so is improving efficiency so that you use less fuel.

Everyone could, for example, have their own home gas turbines that generate electricity just for their own homes. We don't do that because it's horribly inefficient and we'd be using even more gas. Same logic here. Move the pumps down the line and you save on gas. It's a good thing.

and how do you know that I'm not in church you cum guzzling nigger

I use to fucking LOVE this book as a kid.

Gr8 reply, just kidding kill yourself

:D Glad someone else did too.

Absolutely agree. However, if we use less energy overall, which switching to electric vehicles will accomplish, we give ourselves some breathing room to build up new nuke plants and decommission fossil fuel ones.

that's the only thing you can say? u can't read not-so-neautiful diagrams or what? there's data and that's what counts, not if it looks good. fucking degenerate retard

btw
>typical coservative response

Because liberals are fucking idiots. That's just common knowledge at this point

lol the retard OP must not understand the term "non-renewable". what a fucking retard.

>all evidence shows otherwise
Damn if only conservatives could read :/

but you're still consuming fossil. Now add more and more electric vehicles on the grid and it's still the same.

Your an idiot. Here's a great question,why do liberals give a fuck about that right now when there are thousands of people who wish to slaughter us simply because we don't share their customs in the country as you spew more incoherent verbal diarrhea???

>your an idiot
>your
Stopped right there

>tfw libtards talk about electric cars and not realise how bad lithium mining is to the environment
>tfw they don't know hydrogen cars already exist and will be mainstream shortly in the future

Because those thousands of people are of no immediate threat to us. are you honestly worried about that wasp outside your window when the window is closed? No, because there is no way in hell he's going to hurt you.

kek, missed that one.

uhm... what r u talking about? If ur always talking bullshit like this I'm shure there are billions who want to kill you. At least 7 billion

>read the whole thread before posting, faggot.

Where's the infrastructure for hydrogen?

I see absolutely no hydrogen fueling stations being built.

Shut up you 13 year old bitch, you literally have nothing meaningful to say and should probably fuck off

There are bigger problems faggot. Forgive me if I say that I done give a shit about energy right now when people are trying to kill us.
>Hurr durr oh shit he's right an I have no good comback better spell check to make it seem like I won hurr durr

>in the future
the technology exists though

Yes. It's a good move, but it's a temporary one. Once you take away the excuse of, "but we need more energy *right now*," you're free to work on hydro, wind, solar, nuke, etc.

If I wasn't sure you were 14 I'd probably think of something.

where the fuck are you living that u are so fearful of dying? Syria?

Yes, let's only focus on exactly one problem at a time. In a world of 7 billion people, multitasking is just too hard.

It will be just like petrol,
Mainstream, ie.. Available to everyone

No faggot all you civilians don't give a shit about the real problems. You don't give a fuck an why would you? Not like you to to deploy there in a year or so

We're running out guys. It's not just just energy sources, it's rare earths/precious as well.

The elite won't starve. Soon, they will cull the world population to sustainable levels.

With modern tech, they don't need billions of slaves.

Because that's not a realistic threat dumbfuck, while on the other hand global warming is a very present and scary issue which has the potential to kill every living organism on this planet. That's what you should be afraid of not terrorist or Isis you stupid fuck

>not like you deploy there
Go back too cod faggot

>Deploy
Okay, you are milifag. Maybe you shouldn't have joined the military if you weren't ready to face people that might not like you?

You koolaid chugging tard.

We still have large aluminum reserves so you can keep making hats.

Then that means we can't do shit about it retard

we've been working on those things for years.

Electric cars need to be charged. The electrical grid you plug that vehicle to has it's electricity made mostly with fossil fuels. You're just moving that gasoline pump down the line.

>call him a tard 'cause no other arguments
Good job.

kek

Every oil alternative requires oil to produce. Where do you think plastics come from?

Fucking liberals and their pipe dreams.

Tesla LITERALLY makes the best cars that have every been built, are you completely retarded?

Other arguments aren't needed to prove he's a tard. He did that himself:

> global warming is a very present and scary issue which has the potential to kill every living organism on this planet

Read that, ffs. He's a fucking fear-mongering moron.

>where the fuck are you living that u are so fearful of dying? Syria?

sooo... I'll ask you again, mby ur able to reply now. Don't you think the people where you to to deploy there then are also afraid of being killed? Do you think that's a reason to neglect that humanity is killing it's basis of living - the environment?

Late to thread but this table says it all

That's like saying you can stop being obese and then maybe lose weight

That's why you see so many of them!

kek, nah he thought being in the military is like vaccation on the bahamas

Climate change is a very serious and potentially civilization ending phenomenon. I completely agree.

Wtf are you Talking about??

Lots of people have trouble seeing the big picture, not just liberals.

????????????????????????????

ya, that's a think that maaay become worrysome

but Trump said it was a hoax, doesnt he know more about climate than all scientist in the world?

*thing

Well depends on your MOS but they can just fuck my contact an make me 11-B which is likely in the next year apparently

You're saying that you can't do anything about global warming when in fact you can do a lot and I'm comparing it too a fat person saying that they can't lose weight
Why am I explaining myself too a retard?

The shift in energy will have a huge impact on individual illuminaty. This will lead to blood shed

I would not be surprised at all if people who sign up into the military actually think this, tbh.

nice map
Did you make that yourself in MS Paint?

co2 could rise to impossible anthropogenic levels (ie 10000ppm), while humans simultaneously exploded every nuke, pissed on every flower, and shat on every seal... and you still wouldn't kill every organism living on this planet.

You're illogical, irrational, fear-mongering DIPSHITS.

The argument is about global warming. We aren't burning the oil to produce plastic and the quantities are orders of magnitude smaller than energy production.

I'll be sure to take your word on that

We can't make it better treehugger. We can simply prevent it from getting worse

It's common fucking sense. Do you idiots understand what ORGANISM means?

Jesus fuck.. are people really this stupid?

The only reason Thorium powered reactors aren't powering the entire world right now is because people everywhere will lose jobs. If I were to mine a vessel of Thorium, which is not rare at all, for 1 week then I could literally power the entire goddamn world. A literal handful of the stuff can power me for a lifetime.

you're using *too way too wrong

prove zero point exists

can you tie your own shoes?

I would happily put every coal and oil worker out of work to power the world on relatively clean energy. People who lose their jobs due to advances in technology will just have to find another source of income.

...

The point is that oil is a finite resource, energy is required to access, extract, purify, and distribute oil. EROI.. it's getting less and less.

Every oil alternative uses oil to produce it. Even if the energy isn't sourced from oil, the structure/packaging is created using oil.

Oil is FINITE.

BANANA TIME NIGGERS

it's medication time

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the problem is that for example Exxon would lose revenue, so they pay lawyers to block the development and hire scientist to lie about the dangers of fossile fuels

AND chew gum

>oil is finite
As is every resource on this planet. What's your point?

shure, cockroaches will most likely survive. Too bad for you, that you're even lower than that

I really really like this image

Not only did he say it was a hoax, he said it was a hoax made by China! and china are bad guys, so that means it MUST be true!

>people everywhere will lose jobs
How is this even a reasonable argument? You can't hold back scientific advancement just because a bunch of dipshit coal miners will lose their jobs.

Ann Coulter is that you?

To be fair he suffers from dementia and later completely forgot he had said it.

There isn't enough oil left to convert to an oil-alternative utopia. It's a pipe dream.

Does anyone know if there's been a study done to see if an electric engine is any more efficient than a gas engine in terms of fuel consumption?

Yes, but there is a difference between having a set quantity that we can use and something running out after a period of time regardless. Solar energy can't possible run out due to being used. And biological fuel can be grown

it's been done, yes

internal combustion engines are not very efficient.

There's plenty of oil left which is more of a problem for the industry then one would think

gas as in regular fuel or natural gas?
Because there is nothing less efficient than fuel driven engines

There aren't any studies done but thermodynamically it is more efficient since a motor is more efficient than an engine (electric-driven vs heat-driven). The inefficiencies in the motor are in its power supply.

I didn't criticize your argument. Them two too errors were just bugging me. I'm not the guy you had the discussion with

It's okay, he's mentally ill, and didn't mean to post it on twitter. Trump 2016!

Ive literally heard someone say that he only shitposts on twitter so it shouldnt be taken seriously. Trumplets are beyond saving

Oh, wow.. your picture talks about enough oil to sustain the world for 250 days.

You just don't get it.

The EROI back in the oil boom days was 100 to 1. Today, oil sands for instance.. is 1.5 to 1. Average is about 10 to 1.

We're reaching a point where we're almost using the same amount of energy to get the fucking energy. It's a matter of decades before it won't be worthwhile to get it.

You can do some back of the envelope calculations on that. This is what I was pointing out here Motors are very nearly 100% efficient. Even if you give them a very low 80% rating, then factor in the drive electronics, which might be around a low 70%, you're still 56% efficient, which is really more than double the efficiency of an internal combustion engine, excluding the fact that the conversion of fossil fuel to electricity at the power station is also way more efficient than the internal combustion engine.

Gas as in petrol vs. how much coal was used to power an electric car to travel the same distance

are you sure about that?

what about the "inefficient" process that has given us HillbillyfuckinClinton and RetardeddonTrump?

Think of it like this.

> 25 BILLION BARRELS! WOW!

It takes 2.7 BILLION BARRELS JUST TO GET IT OUT OF THE GROUND, let alone purify and ship it.

All pollution is not created equal. Also I ran the numbers on a Tesla and at least in Calgary it'd actually be cheaper for me to run than my current gas vehicle... Of course Im a poorfag who cant afford to buy one but it'd still be a helluvalot cheaper. Especially when considering maintenance costs, and as far as pollution you drop like 5 more toxic fluids by going battery powered (no tranny or radiator or any extra shit

The rich would say it was very efficient :^)

It's still the #1 energy source in my state.

okay, now we're getting to the reason you don't see Teslas all over the place.

>invoice sticker

Pic related.

Conservafucks are retarded and can't grasp science , math, ethics or their wives butt when they get home.
You want to know why America is slipping into 3rd place in the world?
Weak
Ass
Republicans
And regressive dumb ass conservacucks who refuse to accept they are wrong or not getting paid enough to agree to be right.
Also OP is a faggot. For the record.

and that is the real power that runs this somewhat free country.

It's not a conspiracy theory, its a real issue we are going to have to deal with. People losing their jobs will leave a lot of people in the whole world jobless, and entirely fuck up some parts of the Middle East.

As someone who is pretty split down the middle on the issue, based on what I see in this thread, it's the liberals who don't grasp science and math and the conservatives who can't think long-term.

>People losing their jobs will leave a lot of people in the whole world jobless
Fuck those people
>and entirely fuck up some parts of the Middle East.
Fuck those people in particular

So who is preventing thorium plants, then?
>inb4 the gubment

This is the most retarded thing I've read in this thread.

Pissed off coal miners

The global economy

Well they are needlessly fancy. There a lot of extra hardware you wouldnt need in a basic vehicle marketed at plebs. Also there is the fact that Canada doesnt have Tesla stations yet which blows. But running the numbers it would save enough to return the investment.

Sounds like a fucking retard that doesn't understand a damn thing

Coal miners are always so uppity about alternative energy sources. I hope they all die in a mine collapse.

LOL says a conservacuck who didn't know about other resources for energy until this thread.
Lol this has gotta be bait.
The only reason we don't have flying cars or fully electric cars that run on water is basically because conservatives killed off the inventors of those technologies because big brother oil paid them off.
If you think this is just a "Liberal vs conservafags " then you are a fucking moron and shouldn't be 50 ft from A person who is actually typing on this thread.

You sure it's not that it's just an unviable technology that was abandoned half a century ago in favor of mite fissile material?

Why aren't thorium plants ANYWHERE, including states without any coal mining?

Look guys he thought he was smug, but as usual just a uninformed , ignorant moron standing in the way of progress.
Let's all laugh at the conservafag.
Hahaha

kek

I've watched that thorium shill on YouTube talk about how it'll be cheaper than coal, so why would the global economy decide it wants to pay more for current fuels?
See

Basically every scientist Ive met has been liberal. Conservativism is just about standing in the way of all progress, regardless of what.

And top speed would be about 5 kph.

Ever heard of lobbying?
Thorium reactors are finally being built right now

They've done studies that show in academia and the sciences.. people claim they're liberal even when they're not.. for fear of backlash.

Every engineer (the people who make science useful) I've met has been conservative

Have fun putting a nuclear reactor in your car faggot

Lol yeah because your car, that truck , and those planes run on Amurcan pride.
Not scammed for oil/gas by the channeys and the bushes from the Saudi Arabians riiiight.
Why do you think conservafucks where so angry at Obama for activating more off shore drilling and fracking?
You think North Dakota' oil boom was just laying around while we " felt like " paying the saudis 100 bucks a barrel? Lol at you dude . Lol