Airforce vs Navy?

Oh I have heard. A friend of the family is guiding me through these and he set me up with an interview with a Navy officer and will be with me during the whole thing. I have heard of the dangers of recruiters pretty mch straight up lying to make you sign up for stuff you don't wanna sign up for.

>But youre not gunna fly unless youre a pilot.

Is that something you gotta have experience with before you enlist or can you become a pilot while in service?

This thread might die soon so just saying thank you to everyone who answered my questions.

None whatsoever, you can sign up to fly in a heartbeat, but you wont be enlisted you go to OTS to be an officer.

Pilots are not enlisted personnel. They are officers.
To be a pilot, you'll first need to go through an officer's academy. Then, I assume, flight training for whatever aircraft you're going to ultimately fly.

Whether you need to have a pilot's licence before you attend the academy, or not... I'm not sure, but I'd assume the answer is 'yes'

And you'd better have PERFECT vision. You can't be a pilot if you need glasses

Airforce does travel around a bit. Yeah. About as much as the navy, it all depends on the deployment schedule of the command you're assigned to.
As for being a pilot, you could go pilot in any branch of the military, but you need to be an officer to do so. And that requires at least a bachelor's degree.
You can't be a pilot unless you're an officer.

Spent 4 years in the USAF. They said I'd travel, but I got stationed down at Tyndall AFB for all 4 years. Place was a black hole, nobody gets to leave Tyndall.
AF won't be as much of a physical ass-kicking as other branches, but they make up for it with max political backstabbing and ass-covering.
The GI bill is nice tho, using that right now. Too bad the VA is slow as shit and not very helpful when it comes to actually GETTING you that money, but the college is happy enough with the promise of it. For now.

Except u can be a drone pilot in the air force as enlisted but i hear that afsc sucks ass

>but they make up for it with max political backstabbing and ass-covering.

Could you elaborate more on this?

Anyone here has been or known someone who has been through SERE?

In the Navy you'll go overseas alot depending on what platform you're on, but alot of it will be actually, you know, in the sea. You get port calls though, once again, depending on a platform.

Most ships and subs do about one deployment every 18-24 months, and during a deployment they will hit anywhere between 3 and 7 foreign ports for anywhere from 3 to 10 days at a stretch. Its a good way to see the world briefly. Plus its really easy to save up cash while deployed.

TLDR: You *can* actually see a good portion of the world in the Navy in a single enlistment.

I was in SF support
I've known dozens of people that went through SERE school

How bad is it? I wonder how much is myth vs reality. Do they actually go through legit torture or is it more like a mild hazing?

Friendly advice, don't ask on here. Do your research. Talk to your recruiter and then probably multiple recruiters. Don't agree to anything while you're there obviously, you just want information. It's mostly preference, do you want to go to sea or air? It's not necessarily your high school grades, but your ASVAB score. Your ASVAB score tells you all the jobs you can apply for, a lesser score means lesser options (you can retake it).

I'm personally going into the Marines. I originally felt like going into ROTC for free and becoming an officer, facing no risk and making much more money than that of an enlisted. But my friends are doing it. It's all up to you. Don't be swayed so quickly by other people's opinions or experiences, they help, but do your research and look for facts. Good luck

Id say go for it, im thinking about doing the same thing but make sure your fit enought to make it through USMBT (US Military Basic Training) Aka. bootcamp, if you can pass that then your set but look up the weight requirements and what you have to do for basic training and practice now. good luck user. id recommend AF but its up to you
>Pic not related

Military is for retards. Don't be a mercenary for rich lying faggots.

Navy. You'll see me of the world and you won't be stuck on a base in the middle of nowhere like the USAF

Air Force. Better facilities, better food, better training. You will get swol in no time. Also no fatties allowed

the health of students is a lot more laxed than any other school
the cadre in the captive portion are allowed to do light beatings, put you in situation where you may break limbs, deprive you of sleep food and water, as well as other things
but being injured is considered a no fault wash out and the student can chose to continue anyway

the survive and evade portion is pretty much camping by yourself for a week with only a chicken or rabbit
and you can't be seen by anyone

I don't know a single person that went through SERE that didn't lose at least 15 pounds
but injuries are rare
going in with just under the taped height weight standards and being able to max out the young male APFT standards is recommended

Thanks for the advice. A friend of my told me to look into ROTC and if my school had it too. Can anybody you tell me more about it? Is it a scholarship or a program to become an officer, or...?

Also, how tough is boot camp? As a point of reference I'm doing wrestling right now at school, how much tough is the workout gonna be conpared to that, if anyone knows?

Do you suck dicks?

Then go for the Navy.

and become a submariner
>one hundred sailors go down
>fifty couples come up

are electric shocks used?

>gayvy vs chairforce
You really have to ask yourself OP

Do you like boats or planes?

Do you like cock or pussy?

Do you like sitting in a chair all day or do you like to run around a boat all day?

Do you like videogames or boating?

Also do you have 20/20 vision?

friend's dad was in the navy
always got pissed when we'd joke about faggot sailors
but then he'd tell us stories like this:
>be on guard at the gang plank
>guy is being escorted off the ship
>AIDS
>another guy is crying his eyes out
>What's wrong PO?
>He was my bunk mate!
>It's OK, AIDS isn't transmitted from casual contact.
>NO! He was my bunk MATE!

Go army you dry pussy

bootcamp is bonkers. it's meant to destroy you and rebuild a soldier. your wrestling program probably has you in shape, meaning you might have an easier time with pt at boot camp than others, but there's no comparison. boot camp is a lot worse/better/more intense depending on how you want to say it. It's not literally torture as some people say. The drill instructors can't touch you or abuse you or anything like that. Just a lot of pt. You'll realize you can be pushed a lot farther than you think you can. If your friend meant high school, he is talking about J (junior) ROTC, but besides that yeah you can get a scholarship w/ free college in ROTC, then I'm not entirely sure how it works if you're just guaranteed an officer job I'm not sure. Officers sit behind desks and do paperwork, it's that kind of job. But from a money/safety standpoint it's probably superior, but again it's what you want to do. Nothing is stopping you from being an officer for a while and then enlisting.

>are electric shocks used?
mild low amp currents
I was a radio operator
one 18 series offered to show me how strong the shocks were at SERE
was less than what I'd done to myself working on my equipment

>Also do you have 20/20 vision?

20/20 on my right eye, 20/25 on my left. Actual question: does that affect my chances in the air force?

still enough to be painful i suppose?
do you know where the current is applied? Ive heard mouth and ears are the most effective/painful and will make anyone squeal

If your recruiter says he can get you bonuses for completing boot camp and training schools, take a copy of the contract to a lawyer to be read over before signing. They are going to do everything in their power to make sure they do not have to pay you what they promised, but they can't screw you over if your contract is airtight.

Pretty much your only guaranteed 'extra' money is gonna come from the GI Bill, which is a pretty good deal in itself and nobody is going to be trying to find ways to avoid giving it to you.

Certain jobs can actually double the amount of your GI Bill, nuke techs are the only ones I'm sure of off the top of my head, but the training school is gonna be fucking brutal, and you'll be forced to serve a 5th year. That said, places like TI and Raytheon are pretty much always looking to hire ex nuke techs so you'll be pretty well set after you finish active duty.

yeah. They won't let you fly unless you have 20/20

this. talk to your recruiter but understand he is also a salesman and it's not out of his boundary to lie to you. everything you read in the contract is what you get. there's no "but muh recruiter said.." once you're in. do your research.

That's means you're fucked as a pilot but there are other AF jobs. Or just do what this user said

>still enough to be painful i suppose?
if you aren't used to shocks, yes

the most painful places to apply a shock are also the least likely to cause serious injury

Well fuck, do they accept eye correction surgery? I've heard it' not that expensive.

Not sure. I only know my friend wanted to sign up but they told him that because he didn't have perfect 20/20 they wouldn't let him fly/

>the most painful places to apply a shock are also the least likely to cause serious injury
such as?

not sure about pilots
but 18 series could have vision correctable with glasses, but no surgery until ~'07
but now surgery just makes them non-deployable for about a year

ears, elbow, fingers, toes, any where with a high density of nerve endings
elbow sucks ass bc of the funny bone

Sup Greg

I believe Lasik is enough. But that's only if it takes a single round of Lasik to permanently fix. If you have a degenerative eye disease (meaning it gets progressively worse as time goes on), you are definitely disqualified, since your eyes will continue to degenerate even after the surgery.

shit never thought about elbows, you been shocked there?

If you're pursuing Medical, DEFINITELY go Air Force. I'm in the AF and Med group has THE KUSHIEST schedule. And 90% of the time those fuckers aren't even working, they're BBQing during work hours. Lazy cunts. Another plus is that Air Force medical girls are fucking hot as fuck. My advice though, don't get jewed by your recruiter into security forces. I chose this career field, but for many people it chooses them and they hate it.

by myself on accident
>elbow on vehicle
>antenna in contact with vehicle
>transmit
shit was worse than what the long tabber did to me demonstrating what is done in SERE
I don't think they shock there bc that is the main nerve for the hand and forearm

Long as you test 20/20

See the problem with SERE is that when you aren't deployed you kinda just sit around with your thumb up your ass. I work with some of the SERE guys at my base and they are bored out of their fucking minds here lol.

lmao
was he impressed when he realized you werent as phased by shock? Also where did he do it on you?

> Joining army

Kek, I love when losers fails at college or can't join an elite school.
Thanks for "dufunding my cuntry" while I fuck your wife for money, she will be happy to buy some clothes.

The navy would win because the navy has aircraft carriers but the Airforce doesn't have any ship carriers

>If you're pursuing Medical, DEFINITELY go Air Force
or 18D in the army
>only enlisted allowed to perform surgery
>get to practice medicine in all sorts of crazy ass undeveloped and developing nations
>see and treat shit that no other service or developed nation doctor does

This.

>I'm in the AF and Med group has THE KUSHIEST schedule. And 90% of the time those fuckers aren't even working, they're BBQing during work hours. Lazy cunts.

Serious question to anyone in the AF: does it ever get boring? People talk about how much easier AF is and how much time you spent just sitting around.

Someone in this thread said that if I craved adventure the Navy would be the better option and party of me wants that. I wanna know if air force ever ends up beibg a boring office job or if navy ever ends up being too much.

he wasn't really impressed
having a high tolerance to shock is fairly common
he connected the battery of a HMMVE to my thumb and forefinger

If you dont want to be put in the shit, join the chairforce.

>Chair Force or Gavy

Basically mission/base support. You got Logistics which handles the brunt of the base supply stock, along with vehicle mx, and services that run the dining, fitness, and entertainment facilities. Medical is another big one, and offer most, if not all diagnostic and treatment capabilities you would find in a regular hospital. Civil Engineering maintains the base infrastructure such as electrical, HVAC, water/fuels, roadwork and structural support. Intel is self explanatory. Everything in the Air Force is geared to make sure the planes fly.

there is a reason the navy and air force have the highest rates of online and distance learning college enrollment

how fit before joining the navy?

how many pushups, situps and how long should my 1.5 mike take before i enlist?

Navy boot camp is cool, their final 'exam,' called Battlestations, takes place on a destroyer built by Disney engineers (back when they were known as 'imagineers') on hydraulics, so they can simulate pretty much any aspect of being on a ship, like what a torpedo strike feels like.

It's about 36 hours long nonstop, you do everything from fighting fires to being trapped in a room with a water leak that you have to plug before the room completely floods (obviously they aren't gonna let anyone drown but they'll let you get damn close).

I went through boot camp back in '06, got stuck in a holding unit while my paperwork was going through. Stayed an extra 2 months test running the new battlestations, usually about once a week. It was pretty fuckin awesome, but it was probably better for us because the instructors actually treated us decently since we had already graduated.

Enjoy your future brainwashed lifestyle.
Also, being a cuckold while your are on operation is 100% guaranteed. Be ready to learn that your girlfriend were dating some niggers or your best friend.

Air Force, its a gteat opportunity that not everyone has a chance to do. A friend from high school joined for the same reason as you, ended up making a career out of it. He now flys an A-10 for a living and he says its more than college could of ever done for him.

>he says its more than college could of ever done for him

Brainless confirmed.

Most careers in the AF are pretty much like a 9-5, but the college options are better, and the living conditions as well. Navy I would imagine is more boring because you get fucked into being on a ship for months on end. Like I said before, I'm AF Security Forces, and for a lot of people in my career field, it sucks assholes. (shoutout to my missile field brethren) But if you get yourself in the right place with the right people, the Air Force takes good care of you.

Being on a ship isn't quite as bad as it sounds, unless you're on a submarine, then it's actually worse than it sounds. But most navy chicks are easy, and finding a chick to fuck in a port city is like shooting fish in a barrel so you really don't have to worry about not getting laid a lot. You're probably working more hours every day when you're out at sea than an Air Force guy would, but it's not like there's really much else to do during those times anyhow.

This idiot thinks college can get him Into an A-10 warthog lol.

>most navy chicks are easy
many chicks leave ship duty with a dufflebag or two full of checks from whoring themselves out to the rest of the crew
although this is changing to more electronic forms of currency
>giftcards from ebay, amazon, etc
>having electronics ordered online and delivered to their stateside address

>most navy chicks are easy

Isn't banging people you see and work with every day usually a bad idea?

Who gets more pussy, airforce or navy?

Yeah bro lol totally bro lol fuck the bank jobs and their $10.000 i'm gonna fly a plane it sounds way butter XD lol [spoiler]lol[/spoiler]

At 18-25yo, each forces.
After that, men with real jobs.

only if the chick is looking for a long term relationship
military sluts join specifically to have access to fit, std free men who just want to fuck

Airforce = Nicer living conditions, much better food, You can leave base to go out and party.

Navy = Shitty living conditions, shitty food, stuck on ship for long periods at sea

Whatcha think user?.

> military
> std free

Sure. 0 whore fucking in external operations. Sure.
Try to leave your bootcamp for once.

Air Force fag here. AF is dick duty. We keep the planes in the sky and our officers do the fighting.

GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING. If the recruiter promises something, it needs to be signed by him and you have a copy. Also... avoid MAFB like the fucking plague.

lower rate of stds among service members than civilians
I stated the perceptions they have
not that it was absolutely true

> hot sluts have to join army to get men who just want to fuck

The fuck I'm reading here.

Air force is the comfiest branch.

>I stated the perceptions they have

Based on what? Knowing one or two of these "sluts"?
Official sources, thanks, like sociologic studies or some shit, not "I've heard for a friend from a friend of mine..."

I guess if you literally work right alongside them. Plus it usually becomes a bad thing when one party or the other wants something more serious, as long as you don't go falling in love with a Navy whore it should be fine.

Never served in the AF or even knew many people who did, so I can't really tell for sure, but I know it's piss easy to get laid in the Navy in just about any port town, at the least. Of course plenty of them only sleep with military fags in hopes of getting knocked up to get a US Citizenship, but whatever the reason it really is just as easy as being American and in uniform.

Navy offers much more ability to promote quickly. In crypto ranks E-7 isn't uncommon in 9 years, but medical is probably much different and you'll get shit rotations to sea.

Air Force is much more laid back, but no one gets out so getting promoted is tough. Saw plenty of 18 year E-6s. Only time I saw that in the Navy was locked up rates, did see 6 year E-4s and 16 year E-6 corpseman though.

Air Force is a good choice if you are sure you are going for life, but for 4 years, Navy has higher chances of giving you skills that look good other places.

a military 7 is a civilian 5
a deployed 7 is a civilian 3

>wanting clinical studies on a subject where no one involved wants to admit the subject of the study occurs

Wait a minute, I will ask a female friend from Stanford University her opinion on the subject "will you fuck some 4/10 soldiers who has leaved high school or one of your school mate?"

af fag here. the af pays better? how the fuck did you come up with that? we get paid LESS than navy in terms of allowances and shit like sea pay

Fly a death dealing machine and probably go commercial afterwards...yeah fuck the banks.

the conversions were not for the men
they are for the women
when deployed a male service member will see a 3/10 chick that is willing to fuck and think she is a solid 7

> Air forces
> Obligatory "Fly a death dealing machine"

Time to stop Call of Duty, Timmy. Go to bed now.

Seriously, Navy gets paid a lot more. Fast advancement and seas pays with hazard duty. And being away for months at a time where you can't spend any money.

You're right about it being a good setup for saving your money, but I don't recall there being a 'sea pay.' Everything we do is at sea, it would be like paying plumbers extra plumbing pay, it's just redundant.

Volunteering on a sub will get you paid more in sub pay as well as hazard pay, not all surface ship jobs get hazard pay though.

Then again I may be remembering incorrectly, I was doing a ton of drugs while I was on active duty.