I have come to believe that any lesbian will become straight after the following:

>when you try SO hard to act alpha
>when it's this easy to spot cucked wannabes
>when it's this easy to spot the bait
Were you born this retarded, or did you have rocks thrown at your head when you were a kid?

Oh, yeah that totally makes sense.

STFU fgt

You've never known a true butch. They've no interest in men whatsoever & that's a fact.

Ur dumb.

yea you're just not man enough. You need to not give a fuck about her feelings and just dominate her in every sense. This will resonate with their rape fetish and every woman has a rape fetish

Kind of hard to be attracted to the opposite sex when you inherit attraction to the same sex by your opposite sexed parent.

What is epigenetics? Seriously. Keep up with modern research or go back to watching Leave it to Beaver, you fucking dinosaur.

This is coming from a straight white male who is very active in academia. Keep your completely uneducated "facts" to yourself, m88m8

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My wife of 5 years was a lesbian when i met her. she was in a relationship for 4 years with another female and when there relationship started getting rocky i swoooped in and showed her a good time. thats all it takes. LMFAO women are so fucking insecure.

Fucking checked!

Ur mentally ill an need to be re-educated

this

>inherit attraction

Lmao, what a load of shit. According to that logic, I guess I inherit religious beliefs as well, right? What a moron. I'm not saying that every lesbian ever is pretending, but 99,9999% of them are. The exceptions are those freak cases of hermaphrodites or some severe hormone problem, but those should be called "pure lesbians" to distinguish from the other 99,9999% of lesbians who are just pretending and dream about a good dicking every once in a while.

and what i mean by this is when the going get tough women give up to fast. Without a strong male lead women leave relationships or cheat. Every Fucking Time.

Oh, so what you're saying is that the majority of females are bi, but will chose a man if he asserts his dominance over her?
Seems to me we figured that out in the early 20th century.

Religious beliefs have nothing to do with the drive to reproduce.

What is a false equivalency? Man. Can't even reply without a logical fallacy. And you think I'm the uneducated one.

And why would you bring up people pretending to be a lesbian for social reasons? That's not a lesbian.

True lesbians just inherit their father's attraction towards females. (Most likely)

The research is relatively new (started around 2010) and will probably heavily supported in 10+ years.

The only reason lesbians exist is because of the abundance of resources. If something were to happen to either eliminate those resources or destroy society, women would be flocking to men. Even the butchiest of lesbians would have to fing a man or they would die. Natural selection 101.

I really just wish there was a porn category for dykes getting fucked by men

i mean look at the animal kingdom... there are male animals that fuck other male animals but have you ever seen lesbian animals? i havent.

yes...

Bonobos. Dolphins. Albatoss.

There are many exampls of male and female homosexuality in nature. Just google it. They literally have entire documentaries on it..

>>male = power
>> male + male = most power
>> female = weak
>> female + male = balance
>> female + female = most weak

>implying all species have the same level of gendered dichotomy as humans

the whole point of life is sex and sexual contact... lesbians on average have no sex... sux to be them m8

who cares? humans only matter because animals cant put there input in...

we wuz philosophers and shit, darling

>then wipe my cock on her clothes
kek, yeah, this is obviously just some fantasy of yours. i'll take "story that never happened" for 500$, pls

that guy looks like a fucking faggot

Yeah,

Because animals really care about gendered dichotomy.

so your wife is bi...

nope. she did a 180. she has no intrest in women ever since she had my dick.

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yeah, right...

I like you.

I have come to believe that straight men will become gay after the following:

-He confronts and gets put in him place by a real man (intellectually)
-He gets a good dicking

In short, straight men just putting up an act and are just angry at men but deep inside once you give them "the treatment" they will all become feminine and subservient like their genetics tell them to be.

Yup still pretty stupid

"Epigenetics" you mean that fucking scam with absolutely zero professional backing because it's a laughing stock and who's followers are deluded twits?

Same same, but different. Almost 5 year long relo with a former dyke. Just needed to be taught how to fuck properly, she was pre young though, barely turned 18. Just young, dumb and confused.

/thread

because you know my wife better then i do...

>>wife is not real then i know her more then you.
>>wife is real... i still know her better then you.

you have no argument.

You're so incredibly wrong.

Freud is right you fucking faggot

It's not homosexuality when they have sex with both genders you fucking intellectual cripple.

You're 15 and have Cred Forums as a starting page.

Ask me how I know.

You've never touched a non-family female in your entire life.

/youleavethenm8

agreed

strawman

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Why do you insist on lying to anonymous people?

my argument is that sexuality doesn't work that way. if she wouldn't have been bi she wouldn't have ever gotten with you. she isn't suddenly attracted to another sex just because she is frustrated with a relationship. that's retarded thinking. she may be happy with you plus her frustration may have set her off in indulging her attraction to women again. she's still bi though.

Nah m8 epigenetics has lots of backers and lots of proof as well - just very hard to do research on it
The workings have even been observed and very well documented

>what about these studies that will be considered valid 10 years from now?

Lmao you even fucking trying? Sexual preference has nothing to do with genetics it's just a choice. Everyone has a drive to reproduce but they control it. I have a drive to fuck every girl I see on the street but I control it 'cuz Im not a fucking animal. Some people like fatties, some people like to be cucked, this has nothing to do with genetics; just with personal experience and 'sexual scholarship' if you want to call it that.

Your hypothesis is fucking bullshit, how come someone is into brunettes and fatties yet his son is into petite african women?? Get the fuck outta here, I bet you're just a lesbian trying to justify your fantasy

>>Cred Forums

nigger

>dichotomy

Oh shit, here's the fucking SJW Feminazi again. Everyone, run for the hills before she proves the "Patriarchy" with her biased Womens' Studies info!

Legit, Youtubers are starting to sneak into these feminazi shitbucket university courses.

They start off with loaded questions like "In X situation how would the women be oppressed" and there's literally no fucking oppression. That's how this "rape culture" bullshit started.

You want to know what the REAL rape culture is? Fucking feminazis making the CDC lie about how often men are raped. That's rape culture. That's institutionalised sexism.

NOW FUCK OFF. Fucking subhuman SJW feminazi trash!

time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Jeez,
why didn't you just say so.
Your probably right except she has told me numorous times that she is no longer intrested in women, ever. Plus i was her first male love intrest sooooooo.

n1 m8

Not genetics indeed, but very much dependent on hormones and prenatal exposure to hormones

pls lrn 2 know u fucking uneducated american bastard

You're a clueless child

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so your saying that someone cant have an epiphany and change sexual orientation? So what about all the married men that have kids and figure out in there mid 30s that they are completly gay...

strawman, checkmate...
nigger.

They have been gay for 30 years and now are coming out to a more welcoming society?

you can be repressed or in denial but you don't change your sexuality. just because they have a wife and kids doesn't mean that they enjoy any of that or that they didn't think about dick to even be able to have sex with their wife.

exactly my point. lesbians don't exist because as soon as they get a good dicking they are into it.

Yea that hormones thing is fucking bullshit, unless you're talking about the 0,001%

I bet you're a Lesbian, how does it feel to meet a man that has solid knowledge and doesn't backdown from his point? Know your place, woman. I will now show you how a real man fucks *takes his pants off*

people don't change? i disagree with you.

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Being gay is a choice. And don't get me wrong, you should be free to choose but it is a choice.

I kinda wanna know how can lesbian ``sex´´ be actualy satisfying when there isn`t even penetration going on . I mean they even buy stap-ons for the lack of penetration

who let the 10 year old in

Give me your references then, if you're so sure
I have many to give you. Well written, good, nice and warm academic articles and books that all agree with me

I love you user but... I'm already taken and probably at the other side of the world

They shove their boobs up each others vaginas, grow up kid

certain things are fixed. people change prefrences but years of conversion therapy and other awful practices by society such as disownment have undoubtly proven that sexual orientation is fixed and not a choice.

By the way, nothing is completely biologically based, everything only creates a bias.
Doesn't mean it's a choice, fetishism isn't a choice either

Look at this fucking kiddo that doesn't even know how to nipple a clit. This is a 18+ website forum, punk.

It's called Gender Dysphoria, look it up.
The problem with gays is not the fact they're gay.

The problem is they're gay BECAUSE they're deluded.

so if a man was royally fuck over by his wife... i mean she literally shits on everything he has ever cared about... you don't think he could become gay in his hate for women? Or vice versa?

Everything is a choice my child.

Nah, study more mang
It's even more likely nothing is a choice and everything is determined

Or you would have to believe in the Chaotic world-hypothesis, do you do that user? Do you know what is is even?

What I can give you is a good dicking. There are plenty of gay people who say being gay is a choice.

If they are deluded and can't understand that it is a choice, it doesn't mean that it isn't a choice. For example, if I choose to consider myself Napoleon and then I really get into it to the point i really believe I am Napoleon that doesn't mean it wasn't a choice to begin with.

>Gender Dysphoria
that has nothing to do with being gay.
exactly. he may discover that he is bisexual but if he is straight he won't be able to get it up to men. there are enough threads made on /lgbt/ by straight guys who have a hate on women and try to turn gay but that's not how it works.
that's the worst analogy i have heard in a while and believe me it's a tough competition.

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>I am a lesbian, user.
>Sure, that's fine. I'm cool with that. Let's still hang out because you seem pretty cool and we have similar interests.
>90 minutes into hanging out they whip out their tits

This has happened to me three times. Horny is always attracted to confident regardless of gender.

there is no need to get it up if he is taking it up the poop shoot mang

why did you post a pic of justin bieber?

This I agree with

Are you some sort of virgin or something? Why would lesbians need to "get it up"? Good grief....

>> that's not how it works.

no dude. just becuase you think something is one way doesnt mean it is... thats not how that works.

>>Gender Dysphoria
>that has nothing to do with being gay.

Yes it does. It's unhappiness with their own gender. In a very general sense, it's a blanket term.

The point is, it's always a mental health or hormonal issue just like the RECENT prevalence of this 'asexuality' garbage.

But trying to tell these dickheads is like trying to talk to a brick wall. They'll literally mutilate themselves by getting the nip-and-tuck before they go asking for a fucking hormone check.

What happened to this shit being MANDATORY before a sex change op? Isn't it the fucking law still?

user... You would make me so damned happy if you could infect me with your aids and cancer

And sure, some people don't care as much, in that sense it's a choice
But you fail to understand that culture, as well as environment, as well as biology all work together to create humans, sexuality and everything in between

Still, fetishism is not a choice, which can be extremely analogous to sexual orientation

By fetishism I mean: not being able to reach orgasm without a certain thing present
But of course, you could look up the definitions yourself

the act doesn't make you gay. it's the sexual attraction.
are you some sort of illiterate or something? why would i refer to lesbians with he? good grief...
well, i'm actually having an argument and not just saying "i say so" so why don't you direct that statement back towards yourself?

Op here. Reminder that this thread is about lesbians and not about nasty gays. No need to make a decent thread become gross and disgusting. Cheers.

You brought gays into this yourself when you started this thread by being a massive faggot

dsm5.org/documents/gender dysphoria fact sheet.pdf
i don't read anything about sexual attraction here. next time you shouldn't put your feelings of how things are above people who actually know what they are talking about.

but you are saying so

regardless you have no proof someone can't pull a 180 on there sexual orientation without being attracted to the same sex prior to the change.

I'm very sure someone on this earth has done this.

I don't fail to understand that. That's literally what I have been arguing, you are the one saying it's genetic or whatever. Fetishim is a choice in the same way that smoking is a choice. You just feel bad and anxious for not smoking one after lunch but if you really had to, you would survive without it, it's just the habit dominating you. The same for fetishes. For example now I can only fap to Cock Hero and normal Porn doesn't do it anymore but that's because I got the habit of beating off to a music while dancing around the house naked, this doesn't mean there's something genetic that made me enjoy this more or that I've been a closet CockHero all my life or anything.

kek

Thank you for summing up why everyone hates the US Psychiatry sham.

The DSM research on dysphoria is based upon studies of self-identified 'trans' people.

>People who are fucking homosexual, you retarded arsemonkey.

>regardless you have no proof someone can't pull a 180 on there sexual orientation without being attracted to the same sex prior to the change.
>I'm very sure someone on this earth has done this.
oh, so now we backpedal from "being gay is a choice" to "someone out there could be an exception". well, maybe but the lived experiences of countless men and women, straights included, make it clear that sexual attraction in the vast majority works the way i explained to you.
i'm out btw, i'm tired.
the dsm v is respected worldwide and the leading guideline.
>they're not trans but gay because i say so

Nah man, if you're autistic enough fetishism isn't a choice. Literally.

And dude, keep your genetics and hormones apart from each other. Seriously. Not much they have in common, apart from being biological
I have been arguing hormones from the beginning, genes have even been proven to not be much of an influence (would be weird as well, as not many gay people get children and thus they can't pass their genes). Epigenetics, at the other hand, is a different beast entirely, but I'm too fucking tired to explain all that and you're too thick to understand it anyway

Just read up on the subject in scientific articles, it's extremely interesting and you can even sometimes find porn, or new kinds of porn, while you're at it

i dont believe that, that chick looks like a dude, seems like more of an issue of hormones than anything

ok

BAHAHAHAHA RESPECTED

No it's not, it's absolutely not

The only thing it is, is workable. It's easier to help people, because insurances wouldn't cover it otherwise

The Norwegian version is regarded as better anyways

I should know, I've used the DSM extensively

>> food is scarce
>> i need dickin
I've known lesbian manlier than jesse ventura. They get shit done by themselves and for themselves. Your beleif are shit.

Why did you fag.

In my opinion, there's a certain percentage of 'lesbians' that this applies to(also a certain percentage of gays I think), but I think that there actually are people who are born homosexual.
I think that's the main reason why there's so many 'lesbians' compared to gays, at least from my experience. I kinda feel like when a guy comes out as a gay, he gets shit on, while girls get even encouraged, so it's only natural that some types of women just want the attention and 'become' lesbians, whereas if a guy just chose to be gay for lulz, he'd probably get his head kicked in by society.

Also, that woman looks more manly than I do. fuck.

why would he be wiping your cock on her clothes?
you got bigger problems than philosophizing about lesbians, nigga, you gay as hell.

This.

The DSM is a joke anywhere outside of the USA. In fact, even US non-psychs are starting to wake up to it's stupidity and are writing articles on how over half of psych "Studies" cannot be reproduced and are obviously fraudulent.

Milo is that you

heretic

It stops becoming a choice after you are addicted to it. But it doesn't mean you were born loving to get your tits clipped. Your genetics thing is bullshit and yes there are some exceptions to the hormones thing which represent 0,0001% of lesbians.

Do you wanna watch some porn together?

Eh, it's a joke everywhere, but you do get to help people with it

The diagnostics are fucking easily applied, but if you have a competent shrink they should be able to help you well
Just only use it as a leverage against insurance companies

No, he meant a woman in general. Else you wouldn't think it's that different, there are cool and uncool, smart and retarded, histrionic and with no attention issues just like with guys.

This

This makes sense, but I guess less and less so in western society.

>my cock gets wiped on some lez clothes
>somehow that makes me gay

the fuck, homie? get real, cuz.

Wait what ? Epigenetics is a big thing and well-known stuff. I can explain you some stuff if you tell me what's your biology level right now.
Ofc what the guy is saying is retarded, orientation has nothing to do with that.

Nah man, stoped porn years ago, I know what addiction is like, shit dude, 3-5 times fapping a day was a bit too fucking much - ruined my fucking life

And well man, if you fetishise fucking feet, or better, 'something with leather' or something weird-ass like that, that is unexplainable and absolutely not a conscious choice

Many autistic children develop fetishes, so before they're even old enough to understand what sex is

I'm telling you man, shit is very interesting

Yea let's pretend there is no difference between interacting with a girl and a lesbian. I don't even have to try near regular girls, they go wild from my natural masculinity, but around lesbians I have to try my best because I'm on a Crusade to save them from themselves.

epigenetics is the shit brah, i love it fo life :3

check'd

>Yea let's pretend there is no difference between interacting with a girl and a lesbian
If you're even interacting differently with boys and girls, you're potentially a virgin and at least a beta.

I've worked with a number of lesbian women over the years (50yo). They have more mental issues than straight women on average, and when they are older often/usually end up single, and suffering from depression.

I don't have an issue with their orientation at all, but those are my observations.

This

It's subconscious you twat, everyone does it.

Lesbian bed death, it's a thing.

I have fucked many dikes. Always the same drill. Drink a bit, get confortable, get sick sucked.

It's mostly that someone needs to feel comfortable to reach orgasm, doesn't make it a choice still

Autismos like having the exact same thing, therefore they develop fetishes like leather-fetishes

Secual orientation is also quite often about what's more comfortable, which is as well dictated by culture

Not everyone is cultureless and carefree, therefore sexual orientation is not a choice for everyone

>very active in academia
>being this wrong about basic biology stuff
yeah you know, having an economics degree doesn't make you smarter about subjects you never studied.

this

6 years is already old in molecular biology. This isn't mathematics.

You have absolutely no reliable source to support that claim.

Nope, got a buddy with like a 3 foot dick. Dates this chick a few years. Some years later i wind up in a 3way with here. She dayes another buddy of mine. Marries a chick.

Still the same awesome girl she was.

Seems legit happy.

>Opress gay people for centuries
>"Come on being gay is obviously a choice, else why would these people not dare coming out ?"
>Being this retarded

Did you wake up someday and decided to like boobs ?
Well some men like penis the same way.

>being this virgin
you can't be serious
oh btw men buy dildos too, even heterosexual men.

No wonder you all are sad cuckass virgins, even lesbians hate you. Fucking tards.

Yes I absolutely do

Barlow, D.H. & Durand, V.M. (2014). Abnormal Psychology - An Integrative Approach. Belmont, CA: Wadsworth / Cengage Learning (7th edition). ISBN-13: 9781285755618 / ISBN-10: 1285755618

Look that shit up nigga

>He thinks psychology is science
You can't prove anything in psychology.
Seriously bro, I was speaking about reliable sources, aka at least one publication in a peer-reviewed and correctly ranked biology journal.

Milo Yiannpolous agrees and that's enough for me!

-all of Cred Forums

comfirmed, one of my aunts is a lesbo n this is currently her situation

Look, maybe some of the people in this thread went through a lot of debate and fence sitting in their lives, but in my opinion anyone who thinks they made a "choice" to be straight probably did, because they're actually gay. The only thing I know is the first time I ever saw a vagina, I didn't really know what it was, and I didn't completely understand what you were supposed to do with one, but I knew I wanted to see more of them, and I knew that whatever it was you were supposed to do with one, I wanted to do it. I didn't weigh my options or debate, I just said "yes please". If people chose what they were attracted to, it might be a beautiful world, but it would be very different from the one we live in..

touche

2016
being this deluted

>implying psychology isn't litteraly using the same techniques as biology

Get your shit together you fucking mongoloid, the fuckers who wrote the book know a lot more about biology then you ever will you fucking faggot

good one user, good user, pscychology is more art than science

lol'd. you don't know me. i'll probably never get on his level in anatomy though

Ok. So tell me user, when did you decide boobs would get you aroused ?
Tell me your story and I'll tell you how to greentext.

Checked.
You must become aloha over these dyke animals.

>walking to my meeting for UBC. It's cool raw day on main st. The kind of day that makes you love the grey...
>townspeople scurry as I stroll
>woman in distress as she pensively waits at a cross walk for the denizens of the road to slow down and allow her passage.
>frenzied drivers ignore her as she wrings her tiny hands.
>see her chin quiver as I approach. Wearing my simple grey fedora today...to match the hue of our day.
>allowmemalady.rar
>distant thunder rumbles. The gathering power in my arms jolts like unseen lightning.
>I forcefully extend my umbrella into the crosswalk, signaling to the gas beasts that the traffic party is over, and this woman shall cross. NOW.
>Back turned and head down, I smile inwardly as I hear every car screech to a halt.
>the woman (once beautiful I was told, but I don't notice such unimportant things) is visibly 4 shades darker in the crotch of her denim pants.
>"think nothing of it ma'am"
>every driver looks down in shame at my dominance over them, a hush falls over the road.
>I humbly tip hat. They don't know that I would do the same for any one of their mothers or sisters. With guile, style, and savoir fare.
>as I continue down to my meeting with other brilliant minds, I walk silently, confidently knowing my power, and wielding it only with the greatest of restraint.
>Rain doesn't dare start until I arrive at my destination.
>except the rain that douses every panty gusset I pass on my journey in this world.

Op your fuckin right

His Fucking right what?

If a woman wants to be with another woman why choose to look and act like a man?

Omg yes that's my fetish

Fair enough, and I'm glad you lol'd
Still, the guys know their shit, and they're not just some DSM-jerk offs who think sex is sacred

Psychology is more than just a social science by the way, and a lot of it is done by cutting open brains and experimenting on animals: literally the same as biology, only specifically focused on the brain

Sorry for yelling at you man, just wanted to really, don't get to call people mongoloids very often and I quite like the word

Because most women want men.

Are you fucking retarded?

And plenty of cognitive psychology gets posted in biological peer reviewed studies, cognitive psychologists probably help in most animal studies as well, even if it were just for the statistics

>>>implying psychology isn't litteraly using the same techniques as biology
You're kidding right. The polls that pass as "data" in psychology papers are unreliable, non-representative, non-reproductible laughing stocks to anyone not in the field.

lol, you're quite gullible

Jesus, studies, I meant journals, I'm very fucking tired

Sorry for my shit user, but please don't be so hard on all of psychology
All of that social shit is bs, all of the clinical shit as well, but cognitive psychology deasl with very well documented and proven effects, it's quite closely related to biology, as well as physics in many regards (carving up eyes and looking at how they react to light - all cognitive psychology if the brain is involved)

More, but not all, there's as much biology in cognitive psychology as there is in biology itself

Look man I didnt because I was born a man, men r inheritely are attracted to females (boobs) any other behaviour is either asexual or a result of a deep seeded psychological brain damage cause by enviromental exterior factor that some jew mechanism managed to get removed right before they issued the DSMIV

> (((active in academia)))

This makes sense. I thought I was a super straight girl until I met a woman who just made me swoon with the way she carried herself (also 10/10 blonde with tits and ass). I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with her, but I'd do whatever she wanted sexually.

Can I ask you though- did any of the lesbians bang you more than the one time? Like, did it seem like they actually had an interest in you or did they just want to have fun?

>very active in academia
perhaps you should get out of your liberal echo chamber and look at the real world facts of human relations

Not all gay people want to be the opposite gender

Okay. I'll think about it and look up more stuff. Gotta try to find the book.
Always cool to cross paths with somebody nice in here.

Yeah man, thanks for being considerate and open minded

You never know man, sometimes people who try to insult you immediately turn out to be quite nice guys