Memes like Shevshenko,Weah,Figo,Papin or Baggio have a ballon d'or

>Baggio is a legend and he can be compared with the likes of Ronaldo,Messi and Maradona
>I know nothing about football:The post

>not rating weah
>not rating figo

Cool memes amigo, but Xavi is possibly the single most overrated player ever, or certainly in his position at least. Not even close to his peers like Pirlo, Iniesta, Xabi Alonso, Lampard and others. He's Cambiasso tier, except Cambiasso could defend.

kek

xavi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lampard

>Not even close to his peers like Pirlo, Iniesta, Xabi Alonso, Lampard and others. He's Cambiasso tier, except Cambiasso could defend.
*Tips*.
Not sure if you are trolling at this point though

The second group are not on a particularly higher level than the first.

Of the lot I'd probably pick Baggio.

Why? Lampard had passing range, shooting, positional awareness and ability to play as CAM, CM or even deeper. Xavi was a short passing system babby, nothing more.
>can't refute any arguments so I'll call him a troll
Lowest level of posting there buddy

dude wtf lmao xavi is better than all of those except maybe iniesta

>Lowest level of posting there buddy
>Gravity works upwards.If you dont prove me wrong you the lowest level of posting.

lampard was the ultimate system babby. all he was good for was running to the edge of the box, waiting for someone to give him the ball and shooting, and most of them would be deflections.

don't you dare meme arrowing the 80's greatest

At what? "Dictating tempo"?
>le three metre pass to Iniesta, Messi or Dani Alves
>GOAT playmaker
Those players had range and vision, played it short when needed but could deliver a long pass through half a field when there was an opportunity. Xavi couldn't tackle or shoot exceptionally well either. Statpadding passing accuracy doesn't mean anything.
Ok

M8 Xavi could deliver long passes.In fact he could break pressure lines like it was nothing.

>system babby
>performed consistently well under four different managers (at least), every imaginable formation and pace of play
That's not what the term means. I'm not calling Lampard GOAT or anything, but he's far ahead of Xavi. The fact alone he had other aspects to his play than gimmicky short passing is enough, not to mention the amount of goals he scored and assisted from his position.

did xavi molest you or something? why are you so mad at him

>Xavi could deliver long passes
So can Jonjo Shelvey. His ranged passing was a joke compared to Pirlo or Xabi Alonso, and didn't excell at anything else like best midfielders do. Xavi contributed well to the system Barca used at the time, but that's it. Extremely one dimensional player.

Who's LCIM? If it's a English player then LOL

Because he's ridiculously overrated by Barca kids who started watching football in 2009 and takes away the spotlight from actually well-rounded and talented players, like Xabi Alonso.

>not knowing le cut inside man
kys Barbosa

>So can Jonjo Shelvey. His ranged passing was a joke compared to Pirlo or Xabi Alonso
His range was actually pretty good.He had more vision than Pirlo and Xabi combined.There hasn't been a player that has dominated the midfield as Xavi has done.This matc against Madrid is a good example
youtube.com/watch?v=nq7jdbzcbfA&feature=player_embedded

>tfw Henry never got one
>tfw Cruyff never got a sticky

xavi is pretty much the main reason barca perfected tiki taka. I think you're really underestimating the value of having someone who can pass so fast and accurately like xavi. that's like the main point of tiki taka and xavi owned that. He didn't need to be like lampard. Not every player has to be perfectly balanced.

When Xavi started declining, barca needed to change their playstyle because there was no one who could do what he did. Also when Xavi started declining spain started to play like shit aswell and they couldn't play that possession game effectively anymore.

Call him a system babby all you want, Xavi is one of the GOATs.

>Sheva
>Baggio

No

Barcas decline had much more to do with Puyols decline than Xavis and some dips/injuries from Messi. Same for Spain only there it was also the death of real strikers.

Spain won the Euro 2012 without real striker and without Puyol tho

>I rate players that play outside of Europe

Yea I guess puyol also had what to do with it.

But I remember mostly in the 2011/12, just how uninspired barca looked attacking wise. It was just "give messi the goal, he will score". That's when I remember them going from the exciting team of 2010/11 to a huge snoozefest like the spain national team.

>implying Shelvoldemort isn't future GOAT

dumb frog referencer

Romario and Maradona played in Europe

Yet so many modern midfielders struggle with that concept

>more vision than Pirlo and Xavi
Kek. If you want to go down the Youtube road, look up Pirlo's consistent long pass mastery for Milan, Italy and Juve. Besides passing, he was also a set piece specialist (Xavi wasn't) and Xabi Alonso could defend (Xavi couldn't). Both had better shot and probably same quality short pass, but they didn't play in a system with primary goal of achieving 70% possession.
No one doubts his gimmicky short passing and contribution to tiki-taka, lad. But that's all he had, and one trick ponies can't be goats.

can't really say i agree. Messi was on a tear in 11/12 but they still had 4 other guys who got 10+goals and their offence looked great. certainly not the dire shit spain were.

I really really like this gif

t.millenial

how old are you

yes but you realize that xavi played how the team needed him to play right? you think lampard would've done a better job than him if he had been in barca instead of xavi? barca played that short passing "gimmicky" style and Xavi was the exactly the guy who made that work.

I just remember barca that season being much less exciting than the season before.

t. I was born in 2000 and i'm dumb as fuck.

And how does that qualify him for Balloon Door, let alone GOAT status? He excelled at the one thing he was doing his whole career (short passing #8 in slow paced 4-3-3) but even then it was obvious his tackling and shooting was very much lacking. Whether he could consistently perform as real playmaker with several long key passes every match like Pirlo or Xabi Alonso will remain arguable. If we're talking about award-winning midfielders, look what Nedved (complete player) or Kaka (perfect #10) were capable of.
We can agree Xavi was a great fit for Barca at the time and it's questionable if anyone could do his gimmick better. But one of the best ever? Lmao

I putted 1 match not some highlights. Xavi dominated games alone. Also saying that Xavi couldnt defend when he recovered 5 balls a game just shows how little you have actually see him. He had the highest working rate in the world and could pressure for 90 minutes straight. Spain/Barcelona had that much possesion because of Xavi. Also Xavi averaged 9 long passes a match with 90% accuaracy

>He ranks Figo

Xavi WC 2010:

7 games, 635 minutes played, 657 passes total (93 passes per 90 minutes), 91.2 % passing accuracy, 83.3 % passing accuracy in opposition half, 57.6 % duels won, 34 recoveries, 9 tackles won, 9 interceptions, 15 fouls won, 33.3 % successful crosses, 30 chances created

Zidane WC 1998:

5 games, 460 minutes played, 280 passes total (55 passes per 90 minutes), 80.4 % passing accuracy, 71.6 % passing accuracy in opposition half, 47.0 % duels won, 37 recoveries, 5 tackles won, 5 interceptions, 10 fouls won, 23.5 % successful crosses, 18 chances created

Btw the only player in history to create more chances in a World cup than Xavi was Cruyff,and Xavi played against teams that just parked the bus.

People that compare Xavi and Iniesta know nothing about football. - They are completely different players.

Zidane was more of the Iniesta mould. Why you are comparing Xavi and Zidane is beyond me.

>Xavi
>muh sideways passing

Kek, and what is this supposed to prove except that he's a system babby (Spain NT = Barcelona light) great at short passing? Something we agreed at? Why bringing up Zidane, do you see him discussed anywhere in this thread?

>it's a spanish shitposting episode

>Chances created
>Sideways passes.
Whatever m8. Xavi was the anchor from the defence to the offense and on top of that created a shit tone of chances. You would deny it even if you are proven wrong by stats.

>dominating midfield
That's not what Xavi did, "dominating" means being physical and contributing both to attack and defence, think Vieira or Nedved. Xavi's direct counterparts are Xabi Alonso and Pirlo, both had much more to their game than him.
>highest working rate in the world
kek
>averaged 9 long passes a match with 90% accuaracy
Define long pass. If you honestly believe his long distance range (25+ metre passes) is even comparable to Pirlo or Xabi Alonso, you really are a Barca babby who started watching football in 2009.

I didn't say sideways, but short. Who said a chance can't be created with a short pass? That's all Xavi did, pay more attention to the thread and football in general.

>thnking Eto was better than or even in the same tier as Baggio
>thniking Xavi was better than Pirlo
wew, some shit opinions we have here

Spanish posters have no football knowledge

Eto'o was fucking brilliant.

i know, but compating him to Baggio is madness

Just to show how dominant Xavi was and compared it to what is considered a great WC run. Xavi also created more chances playing way behind Zidane's position,meaning that he made deeper and longer passes that created chances

>Xavi's direct counterparts are Xabi Alonso and Pirlo, both had much more to their game than him.
Simply false. Xavi pressed a lot and had the enemies midfield always in his poket.
> highest working rate in the world
Yup. That is a fact. He run almost 14 KM a game
> thniking Xavi was better than Pirlo
Xavi is a thousand times better than Pirlo

>a player that was irrilevant for 50% of his career and was useful only thanks to Pep's meme taka
>better than Pirlo
'no'

>That flag
>That post
When is the mighty EPL going to show that Pep is a fraud la?

He wasnt just better. He was on a completly different league. The 2012 was a clear example. Xavi played in Pirlo's position and created 3 times more chances and lost the ball way fewer times. Outside of muh freekicks was worse than Xavi at everything.

Zidane's game wasn't about pass accuracy/chances created. His main function was to control the game via being a focal point for the opposition, beating players 1vs1 and at times a false striker/scoring goals.

To put it in more simple terms, Don't compare CM's and AM's

>Sheva, Figo, Baggio
>memes

kys right now my man

Thanks for proving my point

>pass accuracy/chances created.
Yes Zidane's role was to dominate the possesion and create chances. In fact that was what he was supposed to do. Specially later on in his career. The whole point was that Xavi did way more than sideways passes like the slav troll was claiming,when in fact he was able to create 30 assits as a CM at one point in his career.

>That flag
>Claiming anyone knows little about football
Stop. You are just making a fool out of yourself

you cant take that final seriously talking about singular players, our team was wrekt even before starting, the first game was a tie too and Xavi had better partners too. And he wasnt so much better as you claim, everyone was talking about Pirlo that year in fact.
And Xavi was and will always be a system babby who was a benchwarmer untill Pepe started that specific playstyle

>He run almost 14 KM a game
That's a cool story, but if we're sticking to reality Xavi's average distance covered in Barca was 11.3 km. It was the best in the team along with Pedro, but simply above average for a CM. "Best in the world" kek.
>Xavi pressed a lot and had the enemies midfield always in his poket
>Xavi is a thousand times better than Pirlo
Hmm, the famous Spanish Cred Forums football discussion at its best, I see.

>Sheva, Figo, Baggio

>Scholes never won a Baloon Door
Fucking FIFA ABUs. Played for a bigger team than any of those literal who's being mentioned in this thread.

>Zidane 98
>great WC run
A final isn't a run

>that flag
>pretending he knows about football via hiding behind the accomplishments of his NT

No, you're the one making a fool out of yourself.

t. 10 year old spic that's only been watching football for the last 5 years
thanks for proving my point again

He's been posting nonsense this whole thread, kek
>B-but my opinion is valid because our NT won stuff

That's literally what every Spanish poster does on this site they're all mentally ill

Xavi had the highest workrate in the world at his peak.
> An example of a player with a high work rate is Xavi, midfielder with Barcelona and Spain. During the final of the 2010–11 UEFA Champions League, Xavi ran almost 12 km, more than any other player in the game.The same is true of the final of the 2010 FIFA World Cup, when he covered a distance of 14.98 km (including extra time).
And it is just too obvious that Xavi is way better than Pirlo. Only fedoras like (You) and rate Pirlo. Xavi was better at everything. And if you watched him you would just know it.

>Argentina
>Valid opinion
Pick one nigger
What point?

>e-everyone is wrong except me!
>f-fedora tippers!
come on call us all vergins autistic cucks and you complete the "i have no more arguments" bingo
Enjoy your shitposting

Xavi was simply better. He recovered more balls,had a higher pass accuaracy,had a higher workrate,he created more chances and he won more titles. Your only argument is >system baby

This is getting hilarious now. Xavi's work rate was above average at his peak based on the distance covered, this is a well documented fact. For example any CM in Bundesliga runs more, not to mention other midfielders elsewhere famous for their stamina who ran at least 1.5 km more per match.
>Xavi was the best, I said so
And you wonder why people make fun of your argumentation. Flag is no use for you when it's obvious your football knowledge is limited solely to watching Barca and your NT since 2009.

>And you wonder why people make fun of your argumentation. Flag is no use for you when it's obvious your football knowledge is limited solely to watching Barca and your NT since 2009.
>Put stadistics
>Only reply is system baby
Ok moron you can have this last (You). I am still waiting for a solid argument that proves that Pirlo is better than Xavi. He was worse at literally everything.

>There is just one spanish poster

You are the one replying to his delusion

Yeah exactly, it's a waste of time at this point.
>I rate short passing one trick pony systembabby

fug

Farca has been a irrelevant team since 2009, that "team" got its shit kicked in regularly by EPL teams.

youtube.com/watch?v=GBo9meu1Zks

I'm a great admirer of Xavi, though whether or not he would of had such great stats had he not been playing for the GOAT club team is another matter. Seriously doubt it, but being a one club man it's kinda meh to compare him to anyone of similar ilk, let alone those that played for numerous clubs.

Anyway, your post made things clear. I was just triggered when I saw comparisons between Zidane and Xavi.

>short passing
>More long passes per game than Xabi Alonso and Pirlo
>More chances created in 1 game than Pirlo in 5

>post stats
>two matches (one with ET) make him the most hard working midfielder ever!!!
>actually average workrate outside of those two matches
While this is an interesting topic, discussing it with you is pointless amigo. Watch some more football (there are other clubs than Barcelona, you know) and come back.

As much as this Spaniard is a clueless faggot, do people seriously think Le classy beard reddit man is better than Xavi? Or Iniesta?

Iniesta is different sort of player, you can compare him to Zidane, Kaka or other advanced midfielders. But I do believe Pirlo is superior to Xavi, of course. When your job is to dictate tempo of the play, passing range is rather vital skill to have. Plus he proved himself in very different systems, in different positions even before reaching his late peak as regista in front of CBs for Juve.

You made this exact thread 3 days ago. Fuck off

Sneijder should have won in 2010

>When your job is to dictate tempo of the play, passing range is rather vital skill to have.
Xavi has abetter long pass accuaracy.Pirlo is just a reddit may may

But Zidane wasn't even good during the 1998 WC, he had 2 good matches.
His peak was Euro 2000.