I'm about halfway through the first season. I know I won't get an answer about what happens on October 14...

Because isn't that a huge chunk of a good tv show/ movie? I know symbolism, acting, and theme is critical too, but a good plot wraps it all up nicely.

Please stop watching this show and go to your capeshit thread

>why do plebs care so much about plot? I don't get it.
Lindelof fans, everybody.

> muh depression

Fuck off. Can't wait until HBO does away with the series after s3

>>created by Damon Lindelof
>You know the answer already m8
>Just enjoy the ride
literally this

Depends on the show, some need closure more than others.

Stop trying think of the TV show as a mystery and instead as art and character piece. The show isn't about what happened to all missing people, the show is about the people who were left and how they're dealing with it. It's often told in a surreal manner in which takes time to piece together everything, espicially in season 2. But season 1 ends with a completed story. If there is anything you didn't understand, then you just have to look and think harder.

If that's not your kind of jam, then don't watch it.

Really? I just finished S2 and felt the opposite. I felt like by the time you finish S1 everything is wrapped up pretty nicely.
>We pretty well understand the goal of the GR
>Holy Wayne's story comes to a close without any lingering questions
>We find out why Laurie joined the GR
>We find out where Kevin was during the Departure
>We find out why the man was shooting dogs and whether he was real
>Find out who stoned Gladys
>Patti clears things up and we get closure there

About the only thing we don't have answers to at the end of S1 is why Kevin blacks out and what his wish to Holy Wayne was.

Meanwhile at the end of S2
>What causes the earthquakes?
>Who exactly is the man a the top of the tower?
>What did Michael's Grandpa do to John?
>Why did Evie and her friends join the GR?
>Why does Kevin seem to have limitless resurrections?
>Does the cavewoman have a connection or is it just a metaphor?
>What was going on with Kevin's dad smokem peace pipe in a hotel room?

And yes I know some of this has implied answers like pedophilia for Virgil.

It's about how they deal with the aftermath, you obviously cant appreciate high art. Lindelof is an auteur of the highest caliber willing to dig deep into the human soul.

Shut up you autist.

>Place huge mysterious event at the center of your story and have everyone revolve around it
>Keep interest high by teasing your audience with clues
> make them believe there is something to be uncovered
>Lol not gonna tell
Fucking hack

>Does the cavewoman have a connection or is it just a metaphor?

Kill yourself and never come to Cred Forums again you fucking pleb.

Personally, I find there's more to this show than just that disappearance event. That's an interesting background event, but for example in the first season I was way more interested in the GR than finding something to point to for the departure.

>Keep interest high by teasing your audience with clues
>make them believe there is something to be uncovered
There is nothing like that in the show, retard.

Come on it was such a fucking hamhanded crapshoot trying to be deep. I'm still holding hope they bring it back to tie it in somehow because it's so fucking lame.

Can someone throw around some theories about the cavewoman? I forgot about that part of the season and was intrigued by it, but never came to a conclusion on it myself.

There was a lot in LOST that annoyed be not being explained but I feel like they've handled the departure well. It's just something supernatural that happened and the people just have to accept it and move on and we do too.

What about all the bullshit with his dad? And now he's going to parallel universes or some shit? Fuck Lindelof and fuck the fans that keep making excuses for him. You gotta be a real smug fuckhead to have an elephant in your room and expect everyone not to ask about the fucking elephant in your goddamn room.

umm

What. When did that ever come up. He got high in a hotel room so he could talk to his son. That's all.

Wrong, it was beautiful.

I'd hate to see what your spouse would look like.

It had nothing to do with anything and literally just existed to start of the second season in a deliberately "different" way with all the pseudo-depth that entails.

Fuck the Emmy's for snubbing his kino.

>Just enjoy the ride

Rapists say something similar.

It can be fine to not answer everything. A good writer can layer in sufficient elements and themes and handle them organically so all the answers aren't especially important.

Lindelof is not a good writer. He's built all his stuff around huge, "epic" plot devices that he mines for hooks to bring in viewers and for cheap drama whenever things start slacking (always) and then never actually develops anything related to those devices and gets outright resentful when people imply this is fucking lazy, so he shits out something lazy and muses about how the answers are always less interesting than the mystery, to hide the fact hes exploiting the fact mystery and intrigue is exponentially easier to write than resolution.

>OP of season 2 literally ends with "let the mystery be"

Must make you feel bad to be a nobody while he's a somebody. :3

Love when people try to talk big and say nothing. You couldn't even give a single example.

The ONLY thing they haven't answered is the origin of the departure which is the entire point.

Come on, man. I love the show but there's tons of shit they haven't answered.

Towards the end of S2, some very weird shit happens that does "give answers", kindof. Sortof.

>hung up on the lone supernatural aspect
Missing the point user-kun.

Great examples.

it was establishing that miracle texas was a special, different place you fucking mongo. it is the first moment of the show that legitimizes the supernatural aspects.

What supernatural aspects? There's a cave in and a woman gives birth. She dies and another woman takes cares of the baby.

I get the parallels with Laurie and Nora and also Nora adopting Lily. But what does it have to do with establishing anything about Miracle and Jarden whatsoever.

establishing the region has always been seismically active.

beyond that it was just a desperate reaching parallel to the not-rapture. As lindelof, for some reason, imagines cave people would have no idea what a cave-in was.

lol no

>he wants answers
>mfw not wanting more unanswerable questions in his tv shows

How'd the GR go from being a local cult to a national entity between seasons?

I think the riot in their town kind of drew a lot of attention.

What questions do you have? Who cares about how people disappeared? It's entirely about how the world deals with such an event.

Why did the pigeons help Mat?
Why did the Feds burn dog breeder lady?
Who coordinates the Guilty Remnant?
Why did the earthquake happen at the same time Kevin was gonna kill himself and the girls decided to fake their departures?
Why did no one depart from Miracle?
Why did the black daughter join the GR?
How did Mat's wife stop being the average TWD viewer?
Why does Kevin keep getting the chance to come back to life?

>It's entirely about how the world deals with such an event.

>headcanon

thanks lindelof

If the ATFEC are classified as itching to exterminate any cult they can find, how is the GR completely unaffected? How does meg hijack a school bus and suffer no consequences beyond a stern talkin-to from some random black person in the GR?

>Who cares about the plot

>It's entirely about how the world deals with such an event.

As written by someone with zero understanding of how people deal with events. Gotcha.

This is Damon Linderlof we're talking about
At the end we'll have millions of questions and no answers

Mouthbreathers, that's who.

The biggest will be, as usual

>why should anyone care?

As evaluated by someone who ended up on Cred Forums. Gotcha.

I'm sorry he broke your heart by getting you invested in Lost just to flush it down the toilet. It's time to grow up and get over Lindelof breaking your heart.

>tfw no more ''let the mystery be' OP for season 3

Right? The first episode of season 2 I was like "What's this country bullshit? Gimme back my epic theme!" But it grew on me over the season.

and killing disney's plans for science fiction with tomorrowland, and wiping his ass all over Alien and star trek, world war Z, cowboys and aliens.

Its kinda silly to pretend lindelof only has one stinker or that he's redeemed himself at all.

why would you go on the internet and lie?

Not even lying, bro.

>lindelof was the main problem with those movies
wew lad

Let it go.

THAAAAAAAANK I'll JUST, LET THE MYSTERY BEEEEEEE

THAAAAAAAANK I'll JUST, LET THE MYSTERY BEEEEEEE

SOME SAY THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK IN A GARDEN

BUNCHA CARROTS AND LITTLE SWEET PEAS

First couple episodes into season 2 I fucking hate that song. I ended up loving it lol

It was always a national entity since the beginning. It's mentioned and shown multiple times that the GR are all over and Patti even says she's not the overall leader.

You fucking shit taste goblins. First episode of S2 and I knew OP2 BTFO OP1. At least you came to terms with your mistake quickly.

>Dropping the best character on the show so early on into the series
Fatal Flaw

only accurate thing in this thread

Doesn't help that Tommy turned into a dumbass. Nora a shitty wife. And Meg got even more obnoxious.

Who will save us.

I stopped watching 30 seconds into season 2 because the new theme song sucks dick.

Season 1 was good though.

s2 is worse than season 1 and the setting is different. Just drop it at season 1. You'll hate season 2.

The show also establishes her as manipulative liar.

There's literally no reason to lie there. And considering we see evidence supporting it.

If I had good paint skills Id turn him into a feel guy

Nah just more mysteries. My only problem with the show, I wish they had stuck to one unsolved mystery.

You think she likes being choked?

the part about the 'parallel universe' is bait right?

In terms of the elephant in the room, it IS an elephant in the room for the characters. There is something unexplained that the characters helplessly try to find the answer to, but there is no answer. You're not suppose to get hung up on that aspect, you're suppose watch the characters get hung up on it.

I definitely could see it

Anything Holy Wayne related was really exciting and interesting. Wish they would have followed his cult more instead GR and their nonsense

>tfw no hareem of young asian grills

They answer the smaller mysteries as it goes on though. I don't understand this complaint. The show is one big unanswered mystery and finding out how the world deals with the aftermath. There's still a whole final season to finish answering questions but with the rate they've been uncovering things I don't know why anybody is worried. Everything that wasn't neatly tied up in S1 has been answered in S2.

The cave woman basically experienced her own departure. The earthquake was her supernatural event that separated her from the people she knew. To her, there was no explanation, it seemed supernatural, just like the departure.

OH SHIT I MISSED THIS THREAD

BUMP

Season 2 is one of the best seasons of any show I've seen and easily the best season of a 2015 show.

Are you really trying to imply that cave people couldn't understand a fucking slide of rocks.

He's a really skilled writer tho. If you watch TLO you get a sense of entertaining and you feel gripped by every scene. He just can't wrap up things nicely, but I'm not worried about it here because it's all about the characters, not the plot. The mysteries only enrich the show and give you the same sense of hopelessness as the characters in this world.

not that but the ground shaking and everything going down

I doubt that was the first natural disaster they had ever experienced. It's just kinda a stretch of ridiculous proportions.

No Kevin husbando, why even fucking live anymore :(

youtube.com/watch?v=r91aMZfB7Q8

Spoilered feels as well

The problem I have with this is the cavewoman knows her companions are dead from the earthquake. If she hangs around long enough she'll start smelling the rotting corpses under those rocks probably.

For the departure people still aren't sure whether the departed are dead or alive and if there's a chance they'll return.

I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter because gone is gone.

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>What causes the earthquakes?
Either something special about the land or they just happen.

>Who exactly is the man a the top of the tower?
This is prolly gonna be answered next season. We see that he sent a letter to a scientist in australia.

>What did Michael's Grandpa do to John?
Something rapey was implied.

>Why did Evie and her friends join the GR?
Their happy life was a lie, they had an unhappy past as a family but were kind of faking it, just like how the whole town was faking not being affected by the SD, so she got fed up.

>Why does Kevin seem to have limitless resurrections?
His dad said he was special and there's something in store for him. Or he's just really really lucky.

>Does the cavewoman have a connection or is it just a metaphor?
-Establishing the past of the place to make a connection to the events of the season.
-To show that the earthquake was like a supernatural event for her and she got "leftover". It makes you think how the SD is a supernatural event for people today but in a million years it could be easily understandable by the humans of the future.
-The whole symbolism with the eagle as something religious for the woman, the snake, etc.

>What was going on with Kevin's dad smokem peace pipe in a hotel room?
He had an extracorporeal experience or something thanks to abo weed ritual. Or it was dreamed by Kevin, you chose.

He has a beard in S3 he's even MORE husbando.

Remember that they are nomads, they probably come from an earthquake free region. And it's not something that happens frequently like electric storms. It's more like how they thought the world was ending every time there was a moon eclipse.

I get this really appeals to 20something numales, but as someone who's actually had real lost in his life, it's just wiping it's ass with the five stages of grief and calling it a day.

Holy fuck I hadn't seen that yet. Guess I will be fapping before bed after all....

...

She's also well established as insane.

The problem with the show is it is not actually showing some sort of real aftermath of "DUDE GLOBAL EXISTENTIAL CRISIS LMAO," its just showing what lindelof is trying to inorganically force that aftermath to be.

and of course no kevin is immortal for reasons.

This seemed like lindelof trying to prove he could keep shit grounded and under control without spiraling out into idiocy that paints him into a retarded corner where he has to find some all-powerful plot device (like magic or a shitty matrix knockoff) to spirit him out of the corner he wrote himself into, but he keeps piling on more and more idiotic shit to force cheap drama.

Insane enough to lead a country wide cult from bumfuck New York without talking 90% of the time?

Come on dude, occam's razor. There is literally zero evidence that would lead one to believe Patti is the head of the GR.

>The problem with the show is it is not actually showing some sort of real aftermath of "DUDE GLOBAL EXISTENTIAL CRISIS LMAO," its just showing what lindelof is trying to inorganically force that aftermath to be.

It's showing the aftermath on a person by person basis rather than a global reaction. Sorry The Leftovers isn't what you wanted it to be but it's hardly Lindlelof's fault that 1) You wanted something different from the 2) Story adapted from a book.

>occam's razor

lindelof is a hack and has no idea where hes going or what hes doing

... yea you really don't want to start applying occam's razor to lindelof.

> Sorry The Leftovers isn't what you wanted it to be

I just wanted it to be good. It isn't.

Don't listen to this dumbass. Leftovers was easily the best show on tv during its s2 run and there are answers provided for the things that happen in the show, just not the one big answer that everyone is asking that the creators said would never be answered.

t. 20 something numale who missed the lost boat

occam's razor is the GR couldn't exist at all and the ATFEC would just exterminate them and no one would care.

>its about muh characters!
>just ignore how I'll constantly farm the big mysteries for cheap drama whenever things get slow
>REMEMBER, CHARACTERS!!

The show is literally called the leftovers, as in it is literally not about those that vanished but about those left behind. Fucking morons like you are like "lol but wut happen to them pepls u hack u sux at writingz "

It's disingenuous though. Its pretty easy to just spin intrigue forever. The problem is any time lindelof has had to commit to some sort of resolution, he's failed utterly.

They're a non-violent cult who just stand around. Not much the government could do.

But you're literally wrong. S1 was entirely wrapped up in a bow.

Aimee desu. She is what the show needs

... the ATFEC literally offered to come clear them out. Like they do it every day.

But hey, lindelof coping mechanism 32b: ignore what isn't consistent, for he is as well.

When exactly do they farm the big mystery? The only thing I could think you're talking about is S2E8 with Kevin crossing over but that whole episode is character development for Kevin.

Glad someone else agrees. I miss her. How is Kevin just gonna pick up and move his family no questions asked about his qt surrogate daughteru.

She was 10x more tolerable than fucking Jill.

It's rare that I ever wish this on anyone, but I truly hope you die in a fire with your children and siblings tonight.

>Kevin will never sodomize me in his uniform
>I will never fall asleep in his arms while he tells me everything will be fine
Nora is a bitch for treating him like she does.

>Aimee and Jill will never laugh and Humiliate me

Why live

season 2 sucked for a lot more reasons than that.

Agreed on season 1.

Well, A, season 1 was just the book. B, the departening was mined for drama/intrigue every second of season 1, and C, redneck did just completely vanish once he was no longer necessary to the plot.

Well spoken

It was one, possibly corrupt, guy offering that service for this one podunk town. And you know when questions started getting asked it would all fall on Kevin's head and AFTEC would deny all contact.

The pigeons were just showing Matt's faith coming into play. He interpreted it as divine intervention guiding him to the casino to bet on red. It's a play on the episode's title - showing how God sends help.

The Feds burned Gladys because it appears as if they don't give a fuck about the GR. Everyone hates them, I bet the govt hates them too with the unrest they cause. The only bullshit with this is that they established that the GR was not on the ATFEC's good side, yet there wasnt enough response to Meg's bus antics or the Miracle takeover.

We don't know who coordinates the GR. I'm assuming that Patti founded it since she does seem to have developed some key ideas the group follows (wearing white, the impact that not speaking has, etc). The national spread from season to season is unknown, but I don't think it's that fucking important to show. Obviously being in a cult where people dont talk would present a shit-ton of opportunities for some freaks to take charge and lead people to carry out tasks for their own gain, like Meg does. They are manipulating people.

The earthquake is a matter of geography. They think it is due to fracking, but clearly there have been earthquakes in the area before fracking. Something is significant/supernatural within the area due to the well (Axis Mundi? also, is Perth Australia on the exact opposite end of the earth from Texas?). Or it is possibly a tremendous coincidence, that we or the characters only perceive to be divine. See first response.

So why did the people disappear?

Pleb

I loved Nora so much and thought she was the only good female character in the show. Then she fucking left Kevin when he needed her most and she instantly went into the trash.

Least they never got to ruin Aimee for me.

No one departed from Miracle because it happened. Could have been a coincidence, could have been a divine reason. We don't know.

The black daughter joined the GR because she was a young girl who lost her father and didnt understand why. And she was probably an edgy teenager too going through her own existential crisis. Seemed like she wanted to rebel against Miracle because of the false sense of superiority and utopia created after the departure, even though they arent any better than anyone else.

Mary woke up maybe because of magic miracle earthquakes or maybe supreme coincidence. She went into a coma on the day of the departure and seems to be magically healed - I'm no doctor though so I dont know if this is realistic.

Kevin is coming back to life because he is sexy. Also he seems to be some sort of prophet (if the show is going down this route). The 7th & 8th episodes seem to present this idea that there are a certain few people who can see the ghosts (Kevin, his dad, Dean, the pillar man) and that there is a reason or mission that they will need to fulfill. This would seem to be related to the departure being divine and some sort of floodgates being opened as a result. We don't know and probably won't find out. Maybe magic earthquakes saved him and Miracle really is magic. There was an earthquake the day of the departure (and a gas explosion up in Mapleton?), an earthquake when Kevin jumped into the lake, an earthquake when Kevin drank the poison, an earthquake when Mary woke up (shortly before Kevin was shot) and an earthquake when his family returned to him. It's most likely symbolism and Kevin is Jesus, but maybe there's something more. I'm most interested in his blackouts.

So all the flashbacks to the not-rapture in season 1, teasing reasons for each person's disapearnening, that doesn't qualify, for you, as farming the big mystery for cheap drama.

Or ya know, the GR suddenly turning into geriatric fucking ninjas who can position a thousand mannequins around the town, in people's houses, as part of their big endgame goddamn glorified sorority prank. That's not farming the big mystery for drama either.

>I felt like by the time you finish S1 everything is wrapped up pretty nicely.
Because there was only one book

>It was one, possibly corrupt, guy offering that service for this one podunk town.

I'm just about on the cusp of being guilty of putting more thought into a show than the writer, but, considering that offer was made to a COMPLETELY RANDOM FUCKING PERSON suggests, rather strongly, it was a regular practice in response to cults popping up.

not to mention the bit about burning all the bodies of dead GR members.

>Could have been a coincidence, could have been a divine reason.
Oh shut the fuck up. Its just statistical deviation. The show itself hammers that idiotic point by making such a huge deal about how amazing it is that a small town didn't have any vanishenings.

The flashbacks are to show where these characters started and where they ended up. It's important to know that Nora was on the rocks with her husband and yelling at her kids when they disappeared to understand why she carries around so much guilt. Likewise important to understand why Kevin thought Laurie's leaving was his fault.

You seem to think any mention or reference to the sudden departure is cheap not realizing that it's used as a framing device for these characters.

And what do the mannequins have to do with "farming the big mystery." People were getting too comfortable in their new lives and the purpose of the GR is to make them remember. This was their final gambit. There's nothing cheap about it because it's literally an extension of their core goals carried out.

Wow you're so unique and have a deeper understanding of all media because you experienced loss. Here's a cookie.

>buring all the bodies of dead GR members

Was that what was implied? I was half-asleep watching and just assumed it was big government being shitty and not doing their job.

>its not cheap to force character reactions to something that should've been nothing but completely laughable

... how old are you

Yeah okay Mr. Cred Forums. You're so much more qualified a critic than everyone else out there. You know TRUE loss.

just stfu and enjoy ride! by far, it's the best tv we've seen in years and you're only in season 1. wait until you get through season 2- so many fucking feels man.

Is this Kino?

youtube.com/watch?v=fohOet_3XBc

Yes, the ATFEC was unloading truckloads full of bodies, by all indications all dead GR members, and burning them like it was fucking Auschwitz

Why would waking up to uncanny valley recreations of the loved ones you lost in a traumatic event be laughable? I thought Nora's reaction was pretty on point. I was unsettled as fuck by them.

>enjoy the ride

Getting dicked around by lindelof is not a ride.

Ok, I think that would be covered under "coincidence"

seriously, how old are you?

I need some sort of context to understand who can think this garbage is on point.

I mean suicide because some old fat people put mannequins in your house? Something you recover from because you find a random blasian baby on your fuckbuddy's porch?

I'm telling you to shut the fuck up because the fact you act like there's even two possibilities is beyond retarded. You would have to have ignored every single solitary thematic element of season 2 to pull some agnostic bullshit like that.

She had seen them, she knew what they were. She was intimately involved with one.

Seeing a bunch in her house should've been met with anger not, OH GOD ITS LIKE IM LEWSING THEM ALL OVER AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIN, oh hey, random baby, fine now.

t. someone who has never lost his entire family and children

What kind of sociopath are you to not understand how seeing your children and husband back in the same spot they vanished from one morning would be traumatic?

People lose ONE loved one and can have psychotic breaks. Hell just being left/divorced causes some people to turn suicidal.

you remind me of the guy from a capeshit thread that wanted realistic physics and consequences even though he admits that real consequences would supposedly involve several chain reactions that would either kill everything or simply wouldn't be allowed to exist because supernatural powers are 'impossible'.

life is a mystery, ultimately. i know it makes you feel better if everything is explained in a way that calms your anxious butthole, but somethings can be great by making use of amazing storytelling while helping us understand each other. *spoiler alert* u won't understand the workings of the universe before your death, but hopefully, you'll etch out a small piece of it that wants and tries to understand you.

>t. someone who has never lost his entire family and children

Yes you clearly are.

this show is basically a litmus test to see if someone has experienced real loss (you failed it), hence the reason practically no one is watching it.

"t." basically means "signed" So you signed your own post as that.

>seeing your children and husband
The real versions, sure.

Laughable mannequins, no.

having geriatric chainsmoking ninjas aggressively rearrange some furniture, adding a few mannequins does not impress upon me much in the way of emotional reactions.

Whatever dude, a huge motif that Lindelof played with was the axis mundi bullshit. It is still an option - only Meg and the girls' storyline really contradicts it.

All I'm getting from your post is you enjoy superhero movies because you can turn your brain off.

>It is still an option

In a show lindelof has specifically and repeatedly said will never go into anything larger than personal character drama.

Granted he does have a history of lying.

I disagree. I think it would suck. If the departure happened, I bet it would be the only thing I could ever think about. Seeing such explicit reminders would drive me kookoo

And this show continues in its fine tradition of being a fucking pleb filter.

Its a show that he says is 98% grounded and 2% supernatural. There will not be a scene in the finale where Kevin shakes hands with God and he says "I spared Jarden because of the hot ass and dank lake", but like many things in this show, is open-ended

it sounds like you'd already be one of the idiots at jarden or outside that convention.

Its by and for plebs, only in the sense it keeps them distracted and away from anything actually good.

Like its just pseudointellectual enough to keep "smart for their age" teens thinking its deep.

Maybe I would be. That shit would fuck up a lot of "normal" people. A lot of "normal" people are already fucked up.

Nigger, if the show was 2% (ugh) supernatural and 98% grounded, kevin wouldn't be immortal, and nothing would be open ended. You'd basically be able to occam's razor the entire thing into the most sane possibilities without being explicitly told.

Only someone who's gone so far up their own ass they've turned inside out would try to remain agnostic about it.

Damnit, (sexy) Kevin!

Part of growing up, adulthood, etc, is coming to terms with the idea you and everyone you know and love can and will die at any time for any reason.

Which is basically the foundation of my theory as to why the show only seems to appeal to pseudo-intellectual manchildren who've never faced any sort of real hardship in life.

Hell, you probably respond to every "mom die" post.

It's not like she actually believed they were real. I'm starting to think you're actually autistic to be unable to see how it would be a shocking site.

If I came downstairs and saw an uncanny valley version of my dead grandpa on the couch I'd be freaked the fuck out until I understood what was going on and calmed down.

It's the loss of a loved one + uncanny valley + not understanding what this is (How did these get here? Why are they in exactly the same position they departed from?

everyone has lost someone, you are not a unique mature snowflake. The show is more about a different kind of grief and the whole world experimenting at the same time and how that changes people individually.

>site

ah, phoneposter.

My image of you is coming into focus.

>experimenting
the phonepostening intensifies.

The only even arguably pseudointellectual thing in the show up to this point is the cavewoman because that was trying way too hard to be deep and metaphorical.

The rest of the show is a pretty straightforward character piece. You don't have to be smart to understand the emotions the characters are dealing with.

experimenting it* (the grief)

uncanny valley isn't a real thing and certainly did not apply to those mannequins.

Having nora talk about how lifelike the first mannequin she encountered was actually came off as more of her joking around, considering she started humping it.

So if they were actually supposed to be ridiculously lifelike, someone fucked up hard on production, cause goddamn they did not come off as that, at all.

goddamn man how fat are your thumbs.

I'm starting to lean away from autism and towards genuine sociopathy now. Everyone understands that people die. An understanding and an emotional reaction are not mutually exclusive things. My grandpa is in his mid 80s. He could die any day. I understand this. It's still going to fucking wreck me when he does because he raised me.

Ugh ok youre right. Occams razor. Fucking agnosticism, fuck that. This show blows

> Everyone understands that people die.

No they don't. They really, really don't. Not till something happens that is completely senseless.

But most people won't experience something like that, so they have no framework to empathize with something like that, so lindelof can step in and force some bullshit and said people will happily slurp it right up

more like tthe boring, am ir right?

According to the studmuffin expert critics in this thread, you're a huge pussy. Please refer to the 5 stages of grief and behave accordingly.

honestly I think its the funniest thing on television since SVU.

The way it tries so hard to force shit writing as dramatic and impactful just kills me. Laughed for a solid 15 minutes when virgil blew his brains out.

...you do realize that people deal with loss in the real non-leftovers world, right? We aren't all immortal are we?

Nope, never said that. It farms the fuck out of the five stages in extremely and increasingly strained metaphor, because for some reason no one in the show ever heard of them, but whatever.

What makes it shit? Or I guess the Virgil storyline in particular? You do know that this is a fictional drama, right?

What are you even arguing? That people should be desensitized to the death of loved ones? Because again that's literally something only a sociopath would understand. My dad has lost his entire family and it still hits him just as hard with every new death.

Hell to go a step further, we don't know they died. Have you never seen or read a story of someone who's child was lost or kidnapped and never seen again for 10+ years? They don't just go on living. It destroys them mentally and often times physically.

I don't think you understand how people cope with loss in the real world.

...

You sound like a junior in college. Sorry that the characters in this TV show dont adhere to your psychiatric models, I'm sure your real friends and family will.

Nora confirmed for cursed and/or evil?

Na just a heartless bitch who wants to be coddled and handed everything she desires but dips the second anything goes off her desired path of choice.

I see you can't even conceive of a senseless death.

Like your old grampy dying will be because hes old. Its his time. Whatever the fuck. You have an entire framework to which to codify his death into something that won't just leave you bedridden and non-functional for weeks. You see it coming, he sees it coming, it won't be a surprise, it'll hurt, you'll have a funeral, closure, etc, etc, etc.

Now try to imagine a death you have no way to prepare for or codify. Like your mother's car just explodes one day and no one can find any reason for it. Which is kind of a bad example as you'd have the car manufacturer to rage against for as long as it takes you to come to terms.

But what I'm talking about here is the foundation of the show. Completely out of the blue loss, that can't be processed in any way that's become part of our culture. The problem is the show completely botches how it decides to handle that in favor of all these forced protracted metaphors for the five stages of grief... and a cameo from the book of Job for literal reasons. The GR are angry about denial, holy wayne is a charlatan who's positioned himself as a toll booth at bargaining to get to acceptance, in s2 laurie has her underwear model son targeting people who are visibly depressed, laurie then botches how she de-GR(RR)s the people she pulls and ends up telling them that denial is the answer, which results in a fun vehicular murder-suicide. Underwear model decides to become wayne, and meg and the stupid jarden kids are angry about their grief being denied, etc, etc, etc. Its like child fucking psychology 101 up in this shit.

Negro I'm just saying if a worldwide existential crisis happened, the five stages of grief would be on every other billboard.

HOLY SHIT WHAT? It was probably the best season of a tv show of 2015. I really hope you die tomorrow.

>see a long Leftovers thread
>it's this same guy going on the same rant he does every Leftovers thread
get a trip so I can filter you already

Did I say I thought the virgil storyline was shit?

That episode was almost the best "fuck you" possible. Ending a storyline about kevin dealing with his split-personality hallucinating suicidal behavior by getting tricked into killing himself by an anti-magical negro in the shittiest trailer known to man, only for said negro to then blow his brains out would've been utterly brilliant and redeemed lindelof's every past fuckup.

But of course lindelof completely pussied out and now kevin's immortal.

Damn you should educate the characters on this, it would probably help them solve all their problems.

Also, a person doesn't need to vanish for their death to be senseless. People get in car accidents every fucking day, children drown, kids shoot each other. You'd be damn lucky to make it to your old paps age and die in bed

Pretty much this. The black actors were really good surprisingly.

Low bar negro, 2015 was shiiiit.

and 2016 so far has been even worse.

>you will never shove your face all over his bulge after he returns from a run

Are you talking about the dude saying people wouldn't care that much about only 2% disappearing

>People get in car accidents every fucking day, children drown, kids shoot each other.

What you're failing to understand is there's always shit to blame to distract yourself from the pain. Blame the driver, blame the people near the drowning kids or the lifejacket/boat/water, blame guns and start campaigning/protesting for gun control.

And I offered no solutions to that shit, just bitched about how the show is taking the least organic routes possible. Cause organic development is hard.

Sue me, there's only like five people watching the show.

And ya know, sorry for being right.

I think you underestimate people's internal conflicts with themselves

>Why did the pigeons help Mat?
Help him in what way? Could just be mere coincidence, or some magnetic force fucking with the pigeons who the fuck knows, this isn't a major plotline, it's up to the viewer to dictate what they stand for. Have you never read a book in your entire life or something?
>Why did the Feds burn dog breeder lady?
You're going to have to refresh my memory here because I don't remember anything about this.
>Who coordinates the Guilty Remnant?
Are you sure you aren't skipping any episodes?
>Why did the earthquake happen at the same time Kevin was gonna kill himself and the girls decided to fake their departures?
Because coincidence? Supernatural force?
>Why did no one depart from Miracle?
First we have to figure out why people departed in the first place, don't ya think?
>Why did the black daughter join the GR?
Maybe because she was tired of all the bullshit going on in her town. It doesn't take much to convince a teenager like her to join a cult like the GR, trust me. We'll probably get a real explanation next season to satisfy shits like you.
>How did Mat's wife stop being the average TWD viewer?
I don't know, but something tells me you should go back to watching TWD because this show might not be for you.
>Why does Kevin keep getting the chance to come back to life?
Because dreams and a hotel. And it depends what you mean by 'dead'.

So are you trying to say that survivors of senseless deaths in real life don't go through the stages of grief or something? Because you'd be pretty baseless in that assumption.

Your initial point was that Nora acted unrealistically for someone who experienced senseless loss. Explain how she should have acted then.

>people wouldn't behave in this way, they'd behave in THIS way

You sounds a bit autismo

show me 25 places where I said that.

>Low bar negro, 2015 was shiiiit.

>The Knick S2
>Fargo S2
>Mad Men final season
>The Americans S3
>Better Call Saul

FUCKING KILL YOURSELF PLEB

No, I think that's more than one idiot making the same stupid criticism. This guy makes the same posts every thread for months

I am not sure why you would think that.

Maybe because we're trying to talk about one of the biggest things in the human experience because of a show that kinda wipes it's ass with it.

I don't know who you are dude this is an anonymoose burmese origami discussion board

knick s2 dumped what made the first season great (early medicine) in favor of character drama

fargo is shit. season 2 was shit cubed

mad men ended with the most resounding whimper possible, one that was predictable once we learned weiner has no problem with advertising

oh no, paige is being a cunt!

You have no grounds calling anyone pleb if you liked BCS.

>everybody is an idiot but me

>He thought Nora was gonna kill herself

>he didn't get that

>everyone
No, just you.

the point is that for a split milisecond they thought their loved ones returned. It was that sudden feel of happiness and hope that got completely overshadowed by the sudden realization of their current situation what triggered the feelings they had buried deep down. Nora tried to convince herself that her weird mourning process was cured via negro magic only to find out that she had been lying to herself all along.

Lump me in there too because I didn't think that at all my thought was she was going to run away to start over like she said. Linking back to asking Kevin to run away with her earlier in the season.

Thank god someone in this thread has a brain.

I could not take one more post of BUT DA MANNEQUINS DUN LOOK REAL Y SHE MAD without Virgiling myself

Angry people: the show.

I don't get all the rave about it, the only thing that I liked about the show were Tylrape and S2 ending. Daughter is also a qt but wasn't used that much.

Thank fucking God at the last part. I wish I could depart Jill with a gun. Kiev should have left Nora and Jill in a ditch and run away with Aimee.

God delivered, that's what happened.

Terms like leaving, departing, etc, were used to dance around the idea the departed were dead, so when nora starts voiceovering shes going to leave, language actual suicide notes use a lot as well, especially after her recreational activities that involve getting shot so she'll feel something, playing at death/dying, etc, I really don't understand how anyone could see that as her not talking about suicide.

The show has never given clues. It repeatedly tells us what happened isn't important.

>m-mom always said I was special!!!.

the foundation of that entire sequence and half the show is "no one ever is really over it everyone in denial," which is either bullshit or the show just does a really, really bad job of establishing it cleanly.

I think the only real organic relapse the show had was the woman laurie pulled from the GR who killed herself and her family after laurie told her that lying to herself was healthy.

Which opens yet another can of worms at laurie being quite possibly the worst psychiatrist in existence.

It's not the same kind of senseless and you know it.

... uh, every single departure flashback in season 1 was a clue as to why some people departed and others didn't.

>I don't want this baby
>I don't want this family
>I don't want to be balls deep in this hot bitch
etc

Also do you think the GR tried to sneak fetus mannequins into the uteri of the women who had not-rapture abortions?

In the book she leaves a letter and skips town

Explicitly? Like there's a first person segment of her just driving off?

> I wish I could depart Jill with a gun.

idk

the whole point is that no one in the world has gotten over it and the ones who seem to have wrapped their mourning process are just faking it and deeply in denial and they don't even know it. That's the whole point of the GR.

I thought that was really obvious and showed by Nora's tragic reaction. I don't see how someone could think "oh they sad cuz the manequins look like their family"

>About the only thing we don't have answers to at the end of S1 is why Kevin blacks out and what his wish to Holy Wayne was.
He wished for a second chance with having family.

Also s1 is better more concise then s2, it's one complete story.

>s2>s1
>s2
>those hipster tunes (remakes of old top song)
>muh spiritualism
>muh surealism
>muh symbolism

>> make them believe there is something to be uncovered
retard

>but am I gonna get answers on fucking anything?
no
its from the same guy who made lost

Is it really that different though

garvey is jesus christ and the rest are his associates. liv is beezlebub.

book is very different from the first season. Patti is more of a minor character, it's mainly about Kevin/Laurie/Nora and no one else. Kinda interesting but also kinda boring, show is way better obviously

>the leftovers
>art
pick absolutely none