If the Federation is technically in peacetime, how come their ships are so heavily armed?

Because literally none of the other races and factions they meet are peaceful so they have to be able to protect themselves.

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peacekeepers never give up their weapons

they're the space men of peace faggot

Federation is socialist, not fascist.

>heavily armed?

I wouldn't even say they were, Starfleet never even believed in battleships (at least in the real timeline) until the Defiant.

and if history has taught us anything its that it quickly devolves into fascism

this

because its been a long road, getting from there to here...

This is why I like DS9. Federation are massive pricks and authoritarian.

Cold War with the Klingons and Romulans.

And yet still better than the spoonheads, dominion, klingons, ferengi, and arguably romulans though no one actually knows.

Sure, everything's boring because everything is handled by the government, but at the end of the day you can use a replicator for all the dragon dildos you could ever want, have a rape dungeon program for the holodeck, and if you want the real thing you can go to a pleasure planet where it's nonstop sucking and fucking.

God bless the federation.

The only functional difference between the two ideologies is that fewer people starve to death in fascist countries.

>North Korea vs Norway
Yeah, fascism is better

Gun grabber detected.

Nearly every major polity in Trek is demonstrably fascist, except the Federation and the Borg, who are communist (albeit, along rather different paths).

Because not everyone out there is peaceful. The Federation is bordered by a number of aggressive, expansionist powers - the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians, etc., so ships have to be able to defend themselves, even if their primary purpose is diplomatic and scientific.

Why would a bloodthirsty kid shoot an innocent man who was turning in his college application on the way to the church store?

rayciss

cuz he be rayciss an shit nigguuhh...

Nobody needs a 30 round magazine...

Buy a shotgun...

Buy a shotgun.

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Simple answer?

Klingons and Romulans

This

Because they are hypocrites. They claim to want peace, but their ships are the most advanced warships out of all the species.

Sloane did nothing wrong and all his actions will be vindicated by history

They were some big guys

There's a difference between wanting peace and being unable to defend yourself

>If the Federation is technically in peacetime, how come their ships are so heavily armed?
Did you watch Enterprise?

>ship comes in range
>hail them
>tell them hi and can we be friends!
>incoming weapons fire
>hull plating at 70 percent
>fire phasers
>no damage to enemy vessel
>still no response to our hails
>damn, I guess next ship is going to need better weapons..

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Somehow still not as threatening as a dozen soccer faggots after their gay kick ball team loses.

The Federation's ships are not heavily armed compared to their technology.

And just what do you actually know about North Korea that you didn't get from the biased jew media?

American way of thinking.
It's basically guns in space.

Because damn dirty aliens try and constantly kill them?

"Fan theories" are fucking cancer.

Always wondered, in the big battles the Federation are it, like Wolf 359 or whatever against the Borg and that big battle with the Cardassians, how many people do you think die on the ships? Normally, they are filled with hundreds of scientists, diplomats, kids, doctors, technicians, etc., but for straight battle, how many folks do you think are on board?

On battle of worf 359, 39 ships were destroyed and about 11000 crew died.

Is this layout legit? I see cabins, mens and womens toilets (in the 23rd century?) but no shower facilities.

>His mother's gun

I want to shitpost this so hard but because I enjoy Star Trek threads so much I'll just leave it at this meta-shitpost.

They fixed that with the later models.

By removing bathrooms altogether? Riker getting caught in the john when a red alert occurs would have been a priceless scene.

You don't see the bathroom with the 3 shells?

>no battleships
>what is the galaxy

Classified as an Explorer ship.

Nothing close to what a real Federation warship could be. The Defiant was as powerful as a Galaxy despite being less than a fifth the size. God knows what a true Federation battleship could dish out.

>God knows what a true Federation battleship could dish out.
muh vengeance

Yes, it's legit. But the one you're looking at is of the computer core.

Here's E Deck.

>mens and womens toilets (in the 23rd century?)

That's a 22nd century ship. But I don't see any indication they're gender segregated.

>but no shower facilities

The rooms next to the restrooms? Were they using sonic showers in the 22nd century?

Kind of off topic, but is the dish on the front of NCC1701 from original series the deflector dish or sensor array? I saw this poster once that called it the sensor array but if they're traveling at warp it wouldn't make any sense...

Here's the Captain's quarters.

Because it's American.

>heavily armed

I always thought they are like ships in 16-17th centuries when it's normal for ships to carry guns

what a waste of a ship

Ugh, it must smell awful in there.

Here's D Deck

Here's the Armory on F Deck.

is enterprise or voyager worth watching?

Yes. They may be the bottom of the barrel, but they are still enjoyable.

I'm watching Enterprise right now and I enjoy it.

Yes.

Barely.

Sure.
Voyager was my introduction to Trek so I'm a little biased towards it.
It's pretty enjoyable and some of the good episodes are actually pretty good. But some of the bad... Well...

Enterprise is pretty bland all the way through. It starts to get some character by the end, but it gets cancelled.
It's good if you're just bored and want to have something on in the background while you're browsing Cred Forums.

Fair enough nigs, thanks

> 6 time felon
> still out on the streets

This is your problem.

>Sloane

You mean Maxwell

"History will look at this man and say, 'He was a fool.'"

Maxwell was "wrong" though.
Even if the Cardies were moving weapons to the border (which they were almost definitely doing), you don't start attacking ships.

You take your big Federation dick out and slap it on the table and ask if the treaty is still good.
Picard was right.
Him talking shit to not-Dukat at the end did more for peace than Maxwell destroying a small amount of weapons shipments.

>Trektards desperately defending their taste for garbage.

Just more sad victims of garbage trek addiction.

Enterprise offered the fanbase some new and original things...

But they had been eating garbage trek for so long that when they were finally served a bit of Enterprise, which is actually the Prime Rib of Star Trek, their acquired taste for garbage forced them to spit it out as if it were poison.

What's with all the reposts?

Some people will do anything for attention.

elaborate flag waving and status symbol, something like only 6-12 were ever put into service

and they're little shits compared to Sovereign and Akira class

thank you for this pepe, dear friend.
i imagined that it was always the case that they are an expedition force or an investigative one (typical setup) but like real life expeditions, they bring the fire, but its shown that when they face a real war party its wits or backup that evens the odds, because even the surreptitious power and design of the fed ships isnt a toe to toe match for a real war hardened cadre, i speculate that its often the optimistic, naive nature of the neophytes on board that leads them to success often. they are nominally armed and carry many rookies yearning for the daunting vanguard glory, in a universe where humanity treasures itself more. but by the wits of the bridge and the hearts of the unbloodied idealists they keep scraping by.

>Starfleet
>Peaceful

Pick one

you prepare for the worst but hope for the best compare but speaking technically look at the enterprise in yesterdays enterprise and compare to any other episode and you will see the difference. we have to assume that even when at peace the ships will still be heavily armed to deter Klingons in said universe.

>not retarded
>you
pick one

Expect the unexpected. Only a fool would build ships without armament and send them into the unknown.

Starfleet did Vulcan

That's only one of many reasons for people to be armed. And it doesn't matter whether "convicted felons" are roaming wild or not. Every one of them had to start somewhere before they were finally "convicted".

space googles

An "Explorer" ship. Sure thing.

It's an "Explorer" in the same way that the nuclear missiles are just bombs.

If nuclear missiles carried full families and passengers on the regular, maybe that statement wouldn't have been retarded.

>This is a model
>The borg battle in First Contact was models

What is the most advanced starship at the Federation's disposal?

I forget the name of it, but I think as far as the shows are concerned, that ship that can split into 3 ships is probably the most advanced.

Or I guess the time ships probably are, but I don't think timefleet, or whatever the called themselves counts as being at their disposal.

Nah, all of the new Federation ships minus the Enterprise seen in First Contact were CG created by ILM. The model of the Enterprise is still great though.

At what point in time? Because they go right into the future where they have crazy time travelling ships and other stuff.

Over the course of the series they've used both phasers/torpedoes for a number of non-combat related tasks to the point where you could claim they're multi-purpose tools rather than merely weapons of war. Though they themselves never mention this when ayy lmaos of the primitive variety bring up their weapons.

he dindu nuffin, he was a good boi

The number of children on board has no bearing on the combat capacity of a warship.

The official classification, however, does.

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

guys why did TerrREEEE Farrell want the
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KLINGON
COCK

Galaxy ships weren't warships though. They were basically cruise ships like we have today.

Their hull was basically thin as paper and they relied on their shields for defense. Which were also stretched to the limit because of the ship size.

>Enterprise goes into battle
>takes 2-3 hits before they lose their shields
>Hull breach on decks 12, 17 and 21

And then that time in Generations where one torpedo scuttled the ship.

They sometimes travel outside of Federation space, user.

You could say they take treks.

So stupid to just make it a bigger darker Enterprise, it should of been modeled after the Reliant

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wolf three five9

What's the connection?

Your 9

Bridge on A Deck

user please

Relative to other powers the Federation is actually weaker.
Yesterday's Enterprise directly states the Federation wouldn't win an all out war with the Klingon's in the 23rd .
The Federation didn't win it's war with Cardassia instead it ceded planets with human colonists on them to the Union (Bajor's revolution is the only thing that really works out).
The Vanguard of the Dominion is barely beaten by the 3 major alpha quadrant powers combined, although Romulus' wasn't in Total war like the other 2.

All in all the Federation pays the price for their generalist starships. Dedicated warships were an Anathema to Gene.

Yeah.
At least something different.
But I can see some producer going
>Well how are people going to know it's Starfleet?
>How are they going to know it's evil?
>What's the spaceship equivalent of a goatee and shifty eyes?

They're in peacetime as no humans fuck with each other - no wars between humans.

Photon torpedoes and phaser banks are small.

Also the Federation outclasses all of it's rivals to such a great degree that it can go toe to toe with them using just "lightly" armed science vessels. That's the benefit of having a HUGE federation of diverse worlds all working together for the common good.

You don't know what fascism is.

>t. tovarisch

>claims the Federation is belligerent
>posts a science and humanitarian aid vessel

Tell me you're trolling?!?

Their most advanced building has sat unfinished for a couple of decades because they are so advanced that they decided to stop building the edifice of their party's glory halfway through to let it rot?

And that's just a fucking start to the problems in that shithole.

>put a few phaser banks and torpedo bays on a science vessel with a usable volume mostly taken up by scientists and engineers or cargo space for supplies
>Th-They're hypocrites! You can't have a humanitarian armada with any weapons!
Fucking hell, in a lot of episodes they use the weapons to save lives like by taking out asteroids or relieving tectonic pressure in a planet's crust.

What? You mean like Detroit?

you gotta carry a big stick to keep the peace

This really.. Most federation ships (like the nebula class) are lightly armed (six phaser banks and two or no torpedoes depending on specialization) with their armorments mainly ment to stop extremely underfunded or poorly equiped groups from targeting them, or to be used as tools i.e. destroying asteroids. Much like how in the wild west every carivan had someone riding shotgun and nobody traveled alone without at least a token sidearm.

We SEE powerful ships because we see their flagships like the Enterprise and her successors. all ships designed for pushing the boundries of known space like Enterprise and A (deep space exploration vessels dispatched beyond known space and therefore equipped with the best offensive and defensive capabilities to defend herself alone against whatever she finds) or as essentially mobile probelm solvers (the enterprise D. A galaxy class designed to carry five times the origional's crew, and have specialists in every catagory supported by the most substantial and advanced equipment available) In D's case she was an experiment in building multi-use problem solvers. Pleanty of plots revolved around her being equiped with the equivelent of a science space station's reserch tec, or the medical facilities of a medical station. The ones where her being armed like a warship just stick out because they are actiony. she was built to bring a space station's worth of resources to any problem.

and voyager is a special case. a specially built 'problem solver' extra fast and well armed by federation standards because she was designed for more dangerous or martial tasks.

you don't say the coastguard is aggressive because it has a handful of ships with cannon since 80% of its vessels have handweapons or a mounted machine gun and do mainly rescue. In much the same 80% of the federation's ships have guns that are only 'heavy armorments' if you're unarmed or using guns you can buy at a wallmart.

>kids are fighting
>as an adult, make them stop
>am a hypocrite because I'm larger than them

Visiting Detroit is so jarring. It's even more of a depressing shithole than movies and TV make it out to be.

It's more depressing than a post apocalyptic wasteland?

well, warships. Until the dominion war even starfleet's most 'martia' ships were just more well armed exploration ships because even when they were open enemies of the klingons or romulans..they were never actually AT WAR.

Then in the dominion war they were forced to face a REAL war and built the defiant and later akura class ships...the first true WARSHIPS who's primary purpose was WAR in federation history....and they were devistating because the federation was so advanced and well equiped compaired to the rest of the galaxy (because coorperation is king in setting) that they had managed to survive over a century sourrounded by violent enemies without building A SINGLE class of ship whoe's PRIMARY purpose was COMBAT.

It'd be kinda like a country surviving world war I with cops so well equipped and competent that they didn't need an army and just barely surviving, then actualy building an army for WWII.

It's like a real life version of the zone from STALKER, but with less chiki briki

Hiroshima had an excuse. It took an atomic bomb.

Detroit only had niggers and democrats.

that goes to the setting. they are the 'most advanced' because in setting the federation's teamwork lets them advance quicker than anyone else. The setting's meta shits on any group that doesn't have open teamwork, so the federation is always more advanced across the board, which is why they can field their best exploration ship (the enterprise) against another group's mainline WARSHIP (Like a romulan warbird, a beast meant only for war) and win....it's like a coastguard sending their best cutter against a cruiser (or if you want to be dramatic, a battleship, if anyone had those anymore) and WINNING

>should of
shut up kid

Because the Federation was founded just months after a major interstellar war. They know space is dangerous as fuck and they have to have at least a little tooth and claw.

it's one deck, each deck serves a different purpose. the showers can be on the floors with living quarters. office buildings and power plants don't have showers (emergancy showers don't count)

I don't think we should see abandoned buildings as necessarily depressing. It's to one degree or another an inescapable result of having shifting economic interests.

>how come their ships are so heavily armed?
Not visibly, notice how the Constitution Class has no visible phaser turrets or torpedo launch bays? The retroactive in-canon reasoning behind that is that the Federation doesn't want to appear outwardly hostile & make newly contacted alien species feel immediately threatened by or hostile towards them.

>the church store

kek

>Were they using sonic showers in the 22nd century?

No. They carried a huge water reservoir on the ship. The showers used hot and cold running water just like a conventional shower.

There are a few shower scenes in various episodes demonstrating this. The captain has one in his quarters.

See: and Also, here are the guest quarters.on Deck G. The shower is located in area "3 - Private Head"

Shut up, Shlomo.

They put them in for Wrath of Khan.

Also in Wrath of Khan they stopped using phaser beams and started using pulse phaser blasts then went back to beams after that movie.

He was a true American hero.

youtube.com/watch?v=EDWo6m5hbG4

TOS has like pulses also.
They slowly got longer by Undiscovered Country. Full long phaser beams were not seen until TNG.

in majority of their scenarios they are outgunned while all the heavier fed ships are doing border patrols

>world's oldest attractive woman celebrates 48th birthday
Today Now is always great.

Great now even Home Alone gets a gritty reboot?

So why did Marv turn into a skeleton after being dipped into the vat of flesh-melting acid?

what

"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

It means stop trusting jews and their liberal propaganda.