Dailly reminder that TFA ruined Luke and Ruined Star Wars.
The point of Star Wars after all six movies was that the Jedi order fell because of their outdated philosophies. Among them, romance being forbidden, which becomes their downfall when Anakin is forced to turn to Palpatine with his fear of Padme's death after Palps manipulates him into not trusting the Jedi. The Jedi essentially kill themselves by being afraid of what they perceive as the dark side.
Before we get to how my final point, lets notice a moment of pottery. -in episode 2 we see the (arguably) original divergent point in Anakin's life where he starts down the path that leads to destruction. It's when he disobey's the council by going back to Tattooine to save an attachment, in this case his mother. This leads to him slaughtering the Sandpeople. Rage. Now we come to Luke. In episode 5, Luke makes the same choice as Anakin, he betrays the council (Yoda and Obi) to go rescue his own attachments, in this case Han and Leia. But the difference is that he hadn't been poisoned by the Jedi's sterile lifestyle. Yoda says >if you leave now help them you could, but you would destroy all that you have worked for
Now notice when we start the final film, Return of The Jedi, Luke is wearing black. He has married light and dark. He has attachments, and he is not torn between them and the order because their is no order. Luke is a new breed of Jedi. He's a Jedi as they should have been. Under Luke's philosophy, Anakin would not have been driven insane with fear and guilt.
Star Wars is the story of the Jedi finding redemption.
*record scratch* *freeze frame* >hi i'm JJ abrams
>Luke and his entire order got rekt by a little Anakin 2.0 kid offsscreen in between movies and Luke ran and hid on a rock in the ass end of nowhere just because we need him to be the hermit Obi Wan character because money even though it ruins Luke, and it ruins Star Wars.
Good analysis, but I don't think it was intentionally written that way. People give too much credit to the inner machinations of George Lucas. He wrote the three star wars movies and then wrote prequels to get richer. The complex plots here are mostly coincidence.
I haven't seen the new movie, but has Luke's character really been ruined by this decision? He was only just introduced - it's entirely possible they will take the character in this direction as they develop him over the next film.
Daniel Reed
*poots*
lol I pooted on your analysis
Elijah Hall
They state that he went into hiding after mexican anakin somehow rekt his whole school.
Utter character assassination.
Jaxson Rodriguez
naw.
luke didn't say shit.
SNOKES IS MACE WINDU
anyways, it was a star wars movie, you can tell because it played just like star wars did.
shills... you even try?
Camden Ross
>because it played just like star wars did. speak english you ape
Justin Collins
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Jackson Russell
Eh. On one hand, I enjoyed the film a lot but on the other I do feel it defeats the purpose of the whole saga which is to say that at the end of RotJ Anakin fulfilled his destiny and brought balance to the force. Hopefully Episode 8 and 9 handle it better and feel more important and connected to the rest of the films.
Matthew Williams
I could accept Luke's academy being fucked up while he was away but I can't accept Luke going in to hiding.
Gabriel Morales
>Yoda says Yoda said that, and he was very nearly right. Luke was lucky to have survived. Luke's impulsiveness could have very easily cost him everything. >He has married and light and dark. Not really. The whole point of the throne room sequence is that Luke controls himself and rejects his more base impulses. He rejects further violence. That's the spiritual victory that made him a full-fledged Jedi.
VII is an unnecessary movie, but I don't agree with your analysis of Luke at all.
Ayden Butler
You can't deny that he is new bread of Jedi that is fine with attachments. Him choosing to die for his friends- and his father for that matter, is proof of that..
Parker Martin
Almost a year later, anons are still butthurt over success of TFA.
Carter Smith
If the butthurt is justified, insults like yours are hollow. Please go back to Cred Forums.
Landon Ortiz
I don't know about anyone else but I don't resent it's success. I was however personally let down by the pathetic story and characters they gave us.
Jaxson Rodriguez
>Cred Forums I like how you bring up your boogeymen for no reason. Fuck is wrong with you?
Aiden King
>triggered
Zachary Williams
What?
Gabriel Cooper
Spoken like a true 90s kid. SW died with the prequels, you might even argue it died during RotJ, but by the time "strong womyn & beast boy ft. relics" arrived anyone that cared should have moved on.
>The point of Star Wars after all six movies was that the Jedi order fell because of their outdated philosophies.
you mean after the prequels, and it was possibly the single worst contribution of the prequels. you realize that they did the same exact thing you're complaining about by taking a story about simple good vs evil and turning it into some half-baked parable about institutional failure
Grayson Hill
god I love false equivalences keep em comin'
Parker Myers
tl;dr: I'm a fat neckbeard caring about "lore" in a childrens movie
Isaac Butler
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Alexander Cook
>no refutation
Nicholas Foster
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Grayson Butler
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Cameron Gutierrez
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Ethan Long
p-pls keep replying
Logan Phillips
>>Luke and his entire order got rekt by a little Anakin 2.0 kid offsscreen in between movies and Luke ran and hid on a rock in the ass end of nowhere
Explain your issue with this in relation to your analysis of Luke's character.
Carter Moore
It took me 10 months but I finally hate TFA.
>A-at least it's a good movie! A good clone maybe. JJ ruined the original trilogy with TFA as much as Lucas (ignoring the retarded edits Lucas did decades later) with the Prequels.
Noah Long
There is an interview somewhere with George where he says lukes outfit in ROTJ is what Jedi wear. He only changed it for prequels.
Nathaniel Russell
Prequels were made after the Originals. This wasn't intended. You're making things up in your head
Gabriel Barnes
>special edition
Gabriel Garcia
Good post OP, HOWEVER
>Good analysis, but I don't think it was intentionally written that way.
Pretty much this. But good point anyway
Xavier Perry
Reminder that Episodes 1-6 are now all "the prequels".
Lucas Martinez
What's 'rogue one' then?
Levi Reyes
this
James Perry
I don't know.
I actually thing George Lucas isn't given enough credit when it comes to coming up with arcs. The only real issue is that he has no idea how to effectively make those arcs work.
If you play/played Tabletop RPGs like D&D, you probably know a few people just like George in this. >Gets great idea for his character, with a goal/past in mind >Has no idea how to properly play that character for the character's arc to work as intended
Aiden Wright
Episodes V and VI had little to do with Lucas iirc, so the credit re; any underlying narrative goes to the staff of those two films.
Grayson Carter
>nearly right
you mean wrong? Because that's what that means; he was wrong
Jackson Diaz
Lucas only ever worked really hard on the first movies and even then it was up to several others to try and save the movie because the first cut was shit.
Juan Long
*first movie
Sebastian Peterson
No they're the only canon Star Wars movies. Anything not involving the creator is not, nor will ever be more than fan-fiction for me. And I don't give a flying fuck about "B-but the r-rights"
Blake Gomez
>OT >worked because Lucas was at his prime but more importantly surrounded by competent people that added a lot to the films; inspired in Kurosawa's movies, classic sci-fi, etc.; ends with a lazy installment that didn't really deliver after Empire Strikes Back but still very enjoyable; has one of the most renowned and recognizable OST of all time
>PT >flopped because Lucas wrote a first draft and did not corrected or enhanced it, and was surrounded by yes-men; there are some good ideas underlying but the execution is a fucking mess; also, there are bad ideas as well; a lot of awkward fan service that added nothing
>TFA >succeeded because we live in a nostalgia fueled era and it appealed to lowest common denominator; takes only the worth of the OT; only exists because Disney knows capeshit won't be profitable forever and they cannot reboot/remake their own movies at the same time; uninspired, unoriginal, boring, feels like a bootleg Episode IV, lacks of grit, blatant plot holes and Deus Ex Machina; even John Williams' score feels lazier compared to the other six movies'
I fucking hate TFA.
Samuel Nelson
Good post user, I agree with everything you said
Robert James
As if I needed another reason to dislike the crap fest that was TFA. Fucking Disney has no respect for the franchise.
Liam Thomas
>mfw not a crybaby pee pants and didn't get assmad over TFA
