Well I finally watched it

kylo was powerful enough to stop laser blasts midair, was obviously skilled with the lightsaber and it is implied he massacred a school of jedis. He trained under luke, he trianed under snooky.

so the thing with sue beating him, wounded or not, is just the last drop on an already over the top mary sue character.

Are women superior to men in the Star Wars universe?

I'm not exactly defending her as a Sue. It's true, somewhat, but then she's the big hero of the new trilogy. JJ will almost definitely cast her into depths of hell in his Empire Strikes Back analogue.

But seriously? Ren went through a ton of shit throughout the entire movie, and is consistently shown as incompetent. That's the entire point of his character. The Empire is so weak that they depend on a fuckup like him to carry them.

not in 99% of the previous stories. although because magic space bacteria is what gives jedi their powers, there's no reason they can't be

this. Her character is written over three films, not one. And some shit she does in Episode 7 makes no sense as a result.

I'm sure we'll get some backstory chunks in Episode 8 tho. At least we fucking better, if Disney knows what they're doing.

>>but then she's the big hero of the new trilogy.

it doesn't excuse her mary sueness.

Anakin, the former protagonist, was the chosen one and wasn't nearly as mary sueish. He lost multiple times and ended up corrupt by the dark side, before finally redeeming himself.

Luke, the secondary protagonist was only good as a space pilot and almost useless as a force user until episode 6. Even then he depended on his father betraying the emperor.

Compare it with mary sue that is all powerful from episode one and ultra competent at everything. She's a laughable mary sue.

actress is cute

You're comparing three movies per character to a character's one.

I'm not defending her, I just think you're jumping at the bit.

Rey's adopter owns the Millenium Falcon. She has been in there countless times. She knows every modification.

Han is old and hasn't used it in years.

All of this is in the movie.

There, saved you years of autistic posts.

Because she knew the ship and had been inside it before. You'd know this if you watched the film long enough for her to meet Han Solo and her having a conversation about the mods the new owner had made.

>midichlorians

>asking serious questions about a JJ Abrams production
>contemplating star wars

lol wow what an autistic retard

you should do pic related

>She knows every modification.
she'd literally never flown it before.

A child who can win a pod race? And build a robot? The shit Anakin pulled as a child was ridiculous.
Not Mary Sueish?

The worst problem is not the fact Rey is a badly written character but that Daisy is a shit actress with nowhere near the ability to play the leading role.

this TFA is as retarded as the Phantom Menace

So? You can drive any car if you know how the engine works and you've driven a different car before.

She knew how the Falcon worked and she has flown other ships.

On the other hand, Han did not know how the Falcon currently worked.

I'm guessing you're underage.

youtube.com/watch?v=sg29Sa6QFes

kys he knocked her out with a force push, he only had one (1) force push in him? fuck off

She bypassed the learning process. She's got better instincts than Paul Atreides.

Well he didn't spend the right allocation of points, then it would have exhausted his force wealth.

Like you've never played Jedi Knight

The force.

Ain't gotta explain shit.

That's stretching it quite a bit. Your desperate need to be contrarian is obvious as fuck.

>she'd literally never flown it before.
[citation needed]

>So? You can drive any car if you know how the engine works and you've driven a different car before.
but you can't take an old minivan and do professional level drift races in narrow passages with it

is it hard to breathe with Disney's cock down your throat?

get out of here misogynist

>You ever fly this thing?
>No! This ship hasn't flown in years.

how can TFbabbies be this retarded?

because she is the one who maintenance it.

It's 2016

What did she mean by this?

Prequel apologists need to fucking die. Seriously, stop it. Nobody believes you, and I wouldn't respond but for the fact that I want you to do something else with your life.

It's not "somewhat" true. She is absolutely, objectively a Sue in the original definition of the term: A new character who is inserted into an existing setting who is good at everything, liked by everyone, and the singleminded focus of the entire plot. "Mary Sue" is an overused term but there's no denying that Rey IS a Sue. It was just icing on the cake when Leia ignored Chewy to hug the Only Important Character even though they'd barely even met.

Yes I can. YOU can't.

Didn't he want her to join him at the end? I always thought he was kind of holding back but got caught off guard. How the fuck did Finn last even a second though?

It's her fucking daughter, man. Come on.

youtube.com/watch?v=6CohVgLABVM

BTFO
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The force was guiding her.

that makes for a shit plot

Look at Anakin in Episode I, and how he flies a ship that he has no experience with and destroys Trade Federation with it. Or how Obi-Wan guides Luke to use the force to destroy Death Star.

Luke has to put in a shitload of training before he can do Force magic

Rey needs like a couple days of adventures apparently

We don't know how much training Rey has. She obviously can fly ships because they're running at one that Rey says is a good one and when it explodes they have to use Falcon.

Luke was good at piloting and pretty much sucked at everything else. He didn't learn force powers decently until Jedi. Anakin sucked as a character but also was basically only good at piloting at first. Rey was good at EVERYTHING INSTANTLY and learned force powers intuitively in seconds.

given how she can barely afford food, one has to wonder when did she get the opportunity to do insane stunts at high speed with huge aircraft. She might very well be able to get a ship off the ground but the shit that she did with the Falcon is unbelievable in the most literal sense

Isn't she basically a thief and a dredgling in the beginning?

She has more Midichlorians in her blood.

well, salvaging parts from abandoned ships isn't really stealing

>How did she beat Kylo Ren who trained under Luke without any training?

She's the Emperor's daughter and he wasn't trying to kill her.

>How does Rey know the Millennium Falcon better than Han Solo?
Lots of free time in the desert, no boys.

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>How does Rey know the Millennium Falcon better than Han Solo?

Han is a senile old man. He forgot he became a self-sacrificing hero in RotJ and accidentally took up smuggling again. Fucking Obi-Wan knows the Falcon better than him and he's dead.

>How did she beat Kylo Ren who trained under Luke without any training?

>without any training

Come on, don't be that guy. She touched Luke's lightsaber and had literal flashbacks to her final days as his student where Kylo Ren betrayed them.

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God damn you people are obsessed.

Yes the memes but lets be serious for one second. There's no reason he couldnt have thrown a force push at the very least (we've seen his force stasis and literally force faint yes this is a different situation he is injured) but please tell me I'm not insane thinking Kylo would have been able to at the very least gotten another force push in (he actually could have fucking blew on her at the end and she would have fallen into the pit, could have grabbed something and held on and come back to fight kylo, it still would have made the fight more believable)

Started watching this a few weeks ago. Got to the point where she and the basketball stormtrooper ran onto the Millennium falcon, which conveniently had all the doors not only unlocked, but open even though it was sitting in a fucking desert, because sand isn't a problem with advanced spaceship tech, kek, then she hopped right in and flew it better than any pilot in the history of spaceflight. My fucking eyes rolled to.the top of my head and

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i know its embarassing. plus she cant act for shit.

You cuck, we just have 6 petabytes of interracial porn to redpill you sheeple

I swear it's not natural to show both sets of teeth as much as she constantly does.

>How does Rey know the Millennium Falcon better than Han Solo?
It's a common ship design throughout the galaxy and she has spent her whole life learning about ships by salvaging shit.
>How did she beat Kylo Ren who trained under Luke without any training?
She is the reincarnation of the chosen one with subconscious memories and skills which is awakened in her when the series of events in the movie lead her to experience the force and allow it to go over 9000 in her.
>Why am I asking these questions?
You're OP. OP is a fag.

Oh, so you admit Rey doesn't function as a character in the one movie we have seen her in? It's almost like it's a bad movie and a bad character in that case

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daisyfags need to off themselves, its cringe

MIDICHLORIANS

i think whats more cringe worthy is how easily triggered she makes guys like you into revealing the root and fundamental basis of your problem with this movie is some sad insecurity wherein you're upset a girl character beat the big bad dark side menace you invested your emotions in and were hoping to live vicariously through. maybe if you don't want people to know, you shouldn't be so knee-jerk about revealing it.

It's surprising that Kylo Ren is even alive at that point after taking a direct shot from Chewie's Bowcaster. Not only that but he just killed his father so his mind probably isn't in the fight.

An mma fighter with all those afflictions would still murder a non mma fighter

This is an awful argument.

THIS

THE FORCE IS LITERALLY MAGIC

I HATE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE

WHY ARE YOU STILL ARGUING ABOUT THIS SHIT?

FUCK

Kylo Ren and "That guy who is always butthurt about TFA and tries to justify it with autist nitpicking" share a commonality....

You're not actually the big strong badass you pretend you are, and you don't get to kill all your bullies with a lightsaber. you're
an impotent, insecure piece of shit prone to flying off the handle who gets his ass beaten by a girl.

I'm hoping we find out she actually IS trained, but someone erased her memories and planted false memories of being stranded on jaku

Doesn't change the fact that he repeatedly had them beat but didn't give the final blow for.... what reason exactly?

>A poor hillbilly somehow knows more moves with a lightsaber than someone that has been trained correctly on how to use one

holy kek. she cant act kid can't act at all.

youre lucky rian can actually make a movie tfa is pure shit

everyone watch that youtube tfa review it should have way more views

I'm upset because she's a shit character. Compare all the shit Luke had to go through compared to her.

Not to mention there are many reasons to hate this movie, mainly the fanfiction level writing they had to use to recapitalize on the whole death star trope.

Pic fucking related

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding everyone, thats the other go-to favorite of the insecure emasculated guy...she can't act

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I wouldnt say it if I didnt see it, pay attention to her acting.

fuck logic, thats how

The force "awakened" when she touched the lightsaber and Kylo was injured.

As far as the millennium falcon fuck if I know, luck?

What was a bigger fuckup, Prometheus or TFA?

You wouldn't see it if you didn't hear someone else say it and wanted it to be true because it fulfilled your contrarianism need. Pay attention to everyone else's acting, including the old movies. Even the established 'good' actors are "bad" because its ultimately a kids movie and the characters are cartoonish in personality.

tfa thats not even debatable as weird as it may sound

The Force is strong in her family, but not even that could stop Kylo from being a little bitch obsessed with living up to his granddad

>Unironically defends MOS and BvS

Wow youre a tryhard. no i mean shes really bad, everyone else as bad as they could be are better. she shouldnt even be acting.

daisyfag pls

EYES WIDE AND MOUTH AGAPE

That's a good fucking review

TFA is objectively the best Star Wars movie ever made. Its one failing point however it that it didn't fulfill the expectation of a subgroup of the core fanbase, a group that can in laymans terms be described as dickless permavirgin aspies. These individuals got a certain expectation from the film marketing which created for them an excitement and hope to live through the Kylo Ren character as a surrogate for their fantasy world of being a badass. This expectation however was shattered in a humiliating reversal wherein a character that is best summarized as a wittle gurl, bitch slapped the shit out of this Kylo Ren character who also turned out to himself be a unflattering reminder of the personality traits of said aspies in his childish unhinged emotional outbursts.

Who's going to be the Yoda-analog in Ep 8?

Bendu?

wow they came up with some convoluted crap to justify the Death Star planet

because snookie ordered him not to, dumb fuck

>How does Rey know the Millennium Falcon better than Han Solo?

This was all pretty clearly established in the movie, Unkar Plat, Rey's caretaker / boss / keeper installed a bunch of modifications onto the ship well after Han had it stolen from him so Han has no knowledge of those things. Rey was there to help install them and had been crawling around that ship for years. She had never flown it, which is shown when she is barely able to take it off and crashes into a bunch of things, but apparently she learns quickly because she mastered it in no time.

>How did she beat Kylo Ren who trained under Luke without any training?

The force "awakened" inside of her and like in any cartoon or anime series ever she got a sudden burst of ability that likely will have worn off and her first few attempts at using the force in Ep. VIII will fall flat and she will have to actually learn how to control the force. It's a common (if tired) trope, but honestly is no worse than Obi-Wan jumping over Darth Maul and slicing him in half at the end of Episode I. It's just a cheesy tacky way to wrap up an encounter, hardly something new and egregious.

Did anyone else expect her to get her hand chopped off in the fight?

As soon as the fight started I thought they would add that level of pottery.

In ESB, it's established Luke struggles to believe in the force which is why he fails.

Rey totally bought it in from the start which probbaly accounts for her rapid learning ability.

It'll happen in Episode 8. Kylor will get the Dagobah training montage and go to face her, she'll cut off his hand and reveal it's robotic, then he'll cut off hers.

Then he'll dramatically reveal that he didn't kill her brother, he IS her brother, and shell weakly screech NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Maz Kanata duh

Haven't read the entirety of the thread, but that's kind of the point. She's only been in one movie, yet she seems more capable in her abilities than the other two protagonists after 3 movies.

I really did like the TFA, but she's this magical girl that can do anything and everything without any training, outsmarting and outclassing established characters (in move and from previous ones) easily. A bit of build up would have been nice. It completely broke my suspension of disbelief and that takes a lot of effort by me. It just sticks out like a sore thumb and is just badly written.

It people like
actually think Ridley can act

The trilogy starts in the middle. She is a trained Jedi, she just had her memory erased

It is* people like

She literally beat a Sith apprentice in a dual and learn jedi mind tricks IN ONE FUCKING DAY

Not to mention the whole, "I've literally never flown this ship but I can out maneuver imperial tie fighters."

You know what would have been believable? If FUCKING FINN had been flying. But noooooo they gotta make it about empowered woman

stop. dont exclude a pointless movie with zero characterization and struggle for the caharacter that isnt dealt with immediately

>level of pottery
I hate when normalfags and fanboys praise VIII for poetry and "clever" references
they just rehashed the previous movies and that's simply shit writing

Finn should has e kicked her out of the chair. Imagine if that happened and JJ actually made a fun flick

I guess he is a Trekkie

You are a fucking dumbass if you think flying is comparable to driving. Let alone out flying professional military.

It would have been much better if Finn was flying, I didn't even think of that. There is so much bullshit to this movie that parts of it go right over your head.

its ok bro, we get it, her character ruined your kylo ren cosplay fantasy and now you'll be angry at her for life. mary sue can't act and so on. its all very comforting im sure.

no because that would have been the first thing a good director would have done for the movie

She is a literal trained Jedi. She has fucking flashbacks to this halfway through the movie and from then on her unusually keen instincts and reactions (traits of force users in general) break into legit lightsaber skills and outright force powers. Because she remembered her fucking training, i not the actual master who trained her.

Same way brock lesnar beat mark hunt

Didn't Kylo get hit with a strong ass gun to the gut? I thought when people get shot they tend to be weakened? ? ? ?

According to who or what? I've only seen one film. There's a few hints here and there that somethings up, but nothing confirms that. And even if it were the case, it still irked me about the movie while I was watching it and not in a good way. Also what this guy said, he worded it better than I could Yeah pretty much. I was very postivily surprised by Finn though, I thought it was gonna be all up in your face interacial couple bullshit for brownie points with the progressive audience, but he came out as my favorite character so far. I'd like to see more of him and his character arc.

I'm going to go ahead and say Finn should have been the main character.
He deserves better

>I am literally incapable of recognising subtext and need everything spelled out for me in the first movie of a pre-planned trilogy

>still going
she didnt ruin kylo or ruin anything the entire film bad you imbecile

Because its the first movie we really have no idea if these are actual badly written character issues, or important plot points to be revealed, so its kind of hard to make real judgements at the moment. For all we know Rey is able to channel force ghosts of previous Jedi to give her knowledge, skills, and abilities she doesn't normally have, who knows.

The only thing I can say is that it certain isn't pottery for her to be so powerful so early and that's at least something new.

She was trained before..

Her memory was fogged up deliberately by Luke after Ben Solo went all Vader (Hayden) on the other younglings...

Prior to that, she had received significant training from Luke... she may even have spent time in the Falcon... which explains why Chewie likes her

You know how angry the critics would have been if Rey had been kicked out of the seat because Finn didn't think she could fly?

Excuse me, where did we find out she was trained as a jedi let alone trained as a fucking PILOT? Let alone to the point out of flying the tie fighters?

Don't worry it's confirmed he is going to have a romance with the other pilot dude, Finn's gay now.

Interracial couples aren't enough, we need interracial homosexual couples!

>But noooooo they gotta make it about empowered woman
and there it is. the true reason for obsessive butthurt.

He's right and the review is spot on. She can't act and the review proves it.

>For all we know Rey is able to channel force ghosts of previous Jedi to give her knowledge, skills, and abilities she doesn't normally have, who knows.

Rey Skywalker - Force Necromancer

I can dig it

>You know how angry the critics would have been if Rey had been kicked out of the seat because Finn didn't think she could fly?
i know but the audience would laugh it off if the entire film was actually fun and good

I'm surprised Finn wasn't the main character. I thought he was going to be the fucking jedi.

That's literally it though... Rey's actor was on camera saying they were pushing women empowerment instead of story. That's the reason she magically knows the Falcon better than Han, can out fly tie fighters despite flying for the first time in her life (seriously, why the fuck wasn't Finn flying?) and also the reason she and NO ONE ELSE goes to get Luke. They have been looking for him for years but sure just let this random chick we've known for less than a day for with Chewie to go get my brother

>Excuse me, where did we find out she was trained as a jedi let alone trained as a fucking PILOT?

From the script.

Rey: "I've flown ships before, but I've never left the planet."

>Let alone to the point out of flying the tie fighters?

This is the actual problem, but since she's force sensitive you could attribute that to being a similar skill that Anakin had when he was able to beat all of these clearly more experienced and far more biologically capable aliens in a pod race, keeping in mind that he had never finished a race before.

Calm down. The girl character made your so insecure and you're so bad at hiding it that you're revealing your impotent rage via stammering in written text. Take a breath, remember however small your penis is, playing make believe Kylo Ren wouldn't have made it grow so it doesn't matter that she ruined it for you.

>Finn and Poe gay relationship

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

FUCKING WHY

you mean the group that wanted a good movie?

telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-the-force-awakens/daisy-ridley-jj-abrams-interview/

>make black protagonist gay

How to alienate your black audience in one easy step

dude this is a star wars thread, youre the one offended. i dont care if a star wars film was bad, it doesnt effect me like you. calm down

The movie was objectively bad. Rey was the height of pandering and bad writing but the movie was literally just episode 4 with names interchanged.

I'm honestly waiting for the day the progressives go too far and it blows up in their face.

I've told my black friends about the whole Finn goes gay for Poe thing and they are genuinely angry.

Bad writing answers all your questions

Jew Jew is a bad director. However he is a great magician, his trick is that he will set the pace of the movie so fast that you won't realize nothing makes sense.

Cucks will respond "I-I-I-I-I'm sure they will explain Rey in the sequel!!"

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Nice words you put in my mouth there, could you kindly take them out though?

I didn't like the movie because the character did not appeal to me, and the plot is nonsensical. Saying it'll be fixed in a sequel won't change my experience of the movie I watched.

You seem really desperate to like this movie and this character, and to me it seems like you and the other guy I'm replying to will go to great lengths to justify it to me and mostly yourselves. Why?

>Rey: "I've flown ships before, but I've never left the planet." That could be interpreted in so many fucking ways, how is what you're posting anything other than speculation?

>don't worry it's confirmed he is going to have a romance with the other pilot dude, Finn's gay now.
>Interracial couples aren't enough, we need interracial homosexual couples!

Somehow this bothers me a lot less than the at this point cringe worthy black male / white female couples. I'm not saying its a great plan or something but at least it's somewhat "new". Don't really care if characters are gay or not, but putting it in your movie for progressive points is lame. I'm curious if its going to work out without making it cringy.

>sequel

It's not a sequel, it's the second episode of a trilogy. At no point was it ever planned / required / expected that any single movie would make sense in a vacuum.

Watching one and complaining that things don't make sense is like watching the first act of a play and walking out at the intermission because nothing has been resolved yet.

capture her and bring her alive. Kylo was not supposed to kill Rey

The movie about the magic space samurai wasn't realistic enough and and and they made the gurl too strong and and and the nigger joos and and and

I think his movie gets bonus points because the bigger the whiny bitch someone is and no one likes IRL, the more butthurt he got over this movie, the more fun it is to watch him lose his shit at its mention

>You seem really desperate to like this movie and this character, and to me it seems like you and the other guy I'm replying to will go to great lengths to justify it to me and mostly yourselves. Why?
not that guy, but his response makes sense....except the mind fogging.

this

stop

Just because they will explain Rey in future installments doesn't mean that her role in this movie will be any less retarded

this

So cut off her hand? Do something don't just back off and wait for round 2. What was his plan, fight and keep backing off until she gets too tired and submits.

If the first act of the play is shit it won't make me intersted in the second act. I'm going to assume the second act is going to be shit as well.

They're not building up some sort of mystery. Its literally a character that can do anything better than everyone else without training, and everyone instantly likes and adores her. That is not good writing on any level, even if a sequel 2 years later explains some of it. exactly.

If a non established movie franchise trilogy did that there wouldn't be a second movie and it wouldn't have been rated as high, and a sequel might have never been made.

This movie is not equivalent to A New Hope or Phantom Menace

It's Fellowship of the Ring

It's supposed to be interesting in it's own right but is (by design) incomplete. You have to watch the other two movies to get the full story.

Just because something hasn't been explained YET, doesn't mean it won't be. People upset about TFA not being a self-contained story are missing the point.

It might make sense, but "lol amnesia" isn't a good plotline, it is a stupid one. This isn't memento nor Knights of the Old Republic.

>This isn't memento nor Knights of the Old Republic.
why can't it be?

yeah I like the part where Frodo is a master swordsman and beat the ring wraiths 4 to 1 in his first battle, and beat Aragorn at horse riding first try. Also the part where he just straight up mastered the one ring like a boss was so cool. They'll explain how he did that in the 2nd movie though.

You are a terrible person

Fellowship is a very different movie. It's the start of a story. It's follows its own rules and isn't too complicated.

TFA is FLAWED. The characters and the world doesn't hold up by itself. It doesn't follow it's own rules. It's completely leaning on future movies to explain it's own story. That is NOT how you make a series.

Sequels aren't an excuse for bad writing. Fuck off

Because memento is self contained and KOTOR had you start from being a dickweed no-one. If you started KOTOR at the highest level and beat everything and everyone first try then it could be comparable.

If Frodo had previously been a student of Elrond then it'd be fine.

Again, this is not a solo movie, it's the first "episode" of a trilogy. Not knowing right away =/= not a thing

what the fuck

You're a fucking dumbass

Or on drugs

Somehow it doesn't seem to bother butthurt fags, the farm boy whose life experience amounts to riding a go cart around sand suddenly becomes the best x-wing pilot making an impossible shot because womp rats or that after a 5 minute crash course with a senile yoda defeats darth vader and decides he's a jedi master

But the girl who has working on, salvaging, fixing, etc space ships since she was like 5 knew how to fly and fix one of the most common freighter designs in the galaxy and managed to knock down and injure a poser sith with not much more than basic bad guy training and a few party tricks despite what you wanted to believe, also bleeding out before their fight started, and out of focus since he just killed his dad.

Could it be possible you might be biased based on some other issues?

>autism

Yeah and the first episode was nearly ruined because of a badly written character that doesn't make any logical sense.

Saying a sequel in 2 years will make up for that is doesn't make it not bad writing.

Also Frodo wasn't a student of Elrond before hand, because if he were it would have been made clear the moment he met Elrond, in the same movie.

>that scene where Frodo is being chased by the Balrog and uses his lightning eye blasts to stun it and then pulls out his katana and slices it in half

That was the only scene I didn't like in Fellowship. They don't explain where Frodo got the katana and I don't think they ever really explained that he was like magic?

I hope JJ directs the sequel so he can explain this. He's the best director ever.

Frodo also didn't have his memory wiped

Rey did

(you)

Again, says who? And how does that make the character in the first film not terrible to watch? Because a promise of (maybe) some explanation for a plot breaking overpowered character makes up for that?

Cus she's a clone of palpatine who ended up light side

>implying Rey isn't a time traveling immortal shapeshifting wizard god

Now she can have all the powers without any of the explanation!

Why isn't daisy ridleys ass on my face right now?

>Again, says who?

The film, when she touched Luke's lightsaber and her memory flashed on-screen

and you're the one unable to refute his points

>call out Rey as a bad character
>hundred responses of people interjecting their fantheory headcanon faggotry with no evidence

And the rest of my questions?

She's British. She has an arse, not an ass.

see

So we can all agree that Rey was Han Solo and Palpatines child that got her memory wiped but was in the matrix and got new fake memories and Luke was never real and this was all an illusion by Aizen?

btw I don't need any evidence from the movie to prove my point :^)

>And how does that make the character in the first film not terrible to watch?
Because you know it's not her entire character.

>Because a promise of (maybe) some explanation for a plot breaking overpowered character makes up for that?

Yes. This isn't a complete movie, She obviously has a history that will be expanded on in the next two films, so you accept her being an OP badass because you know it will be explained, it just hasnt been yet.

yes it's a really lazy written repackaged memberberry movie-ie.
Who cares anyway, nobody talks about the movie, it's completely forgotten, nobody wants to see a nigg and a dimwhit with her mouth hanging open 90 minutes straight.

Shut up! She can't act! Mary Sue! KYlo Ren stopped blaster fire! He was a Sith God! She can't act!

She thinks she's so special! She's not special! I'm...i mean Kylo Ren was special! She think's she so much better than me. Rejecting me! Women are whores! She can't act! I have no other issues, fuck you!

ironically the only reason its talked about is because of the bad writing

100% of the character I've seen so far has been an obnoxious mary sue, in one and a half year I can maybe change my mind? Get real. If there's a guy I know being a total asshole 100% of the time, but someone tells me maybe there's a reason for it that you might explain it then I'm going to have to assume he's being an asshole all time time for a reason? He might have a very good reason for it, but there's little reason for me to assume that there's a good reason with his track record.

As far as it stands she's a badly written character and I've got little reason to believe the second movie is going to redeem that.

>choosing to be short sighted so you can be angry about a character that you know has a hidden past

>Defending an obviously badly written character this hard because you really hope the second movie makes up for it

>being this blind to the design of the trilogy because you hate a character

>allowing a tiny waif to overpower a grown man

hahahahaa

I have a question for you

If there was a sequel to The Room that explained why everyone acted so weird, unrealistic and all the inconsistencies would The Room suddenly be a great movie?

Kill yourself

I liked the rest of the movie, but she's just a stinking turd on top of it. Also you never refuted my central argument. Having a badly written character maybe getting their backstory explained for her to make halfway sense doesn't make her a good written character. She's completely out of place to the point where she's ruining the suspension of disbelief.

>b-b-ut m-muh hidden past.

>only black main character
>gay
Disney is indeed as dumb as Death Star engineers, building a super weapon with a huge weak spot that will only lead to its own demise.

The Force Awakens was always going to be the first part of a trilogy. It was designed, written and directed that way. They chose to leave stuff out because they know for a fact that there will be two more films to bring it up.

It's not a movie. It's the first third of a 10hr movie spread over 6 years of filming.

Oh so the TFA was supposed to lack tension on purpose? I also guess the last fight was supposed to be unsatisfying on purpose?

Wow Disney sure is enigmatic!

also by your logic every single movie in a series can't be criticized because lel its a series

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But even if he put all his points and feats in Manchild Tantrum he would have the attack bonuses to tear through them.

stop posting this shit pleb

>also by your logic every single movie in a series can't be criticized because lel its a series

Only if it's designed that way from the beginning, as the postquel trilogy was

I'm gonna be honest.

I've never seen a Star Wars film in my life. None of them.

But love the games, and basically know every scene by heart through pop culture bleeding.

Isn't that odd?

TFA can't be criticized because its part of a thought out trilogy, the second part will explain all the bad cringe worthy shit in the first one and actually make it good retroactively. What are you, an idiot?

>Stop posting images on the image board! You're reminding me i'm an insecure bitch with scenes that triggered me and made me feel emasculated! Cred Forums isn't an image board! It's my manchild support group!

God, I miss Plinkett.

It's frankly amazing that he could even stand up after taking a plasma crossbow bolt to the gut. This shot was instantly killing stormtroopers in full armor earlier in the film.

you keep posting webms from a shit film none of it looks good at least wait until rian johnson actually tries

Stop posting this shit in my safespace indeed. The movie is perfect as it is, posting these webms means nothing!

>man who trained his whole life under the last magical wizard gets out-magic'd by the girl that learned magic is real 2 seconds ago

How could people dislike this movie?

But this isn't what the movie really shows. It goes out of its way to highlight Kylo's injury, but he still utterly dominates the fight against Rey until she casually remembers that the Force exists, then she completely turns the tide in an instant.

It's like the screenplay wanted one thing but the direction wanted another.

This is pretty good, though.

more like
>guy who gets shot in the stomach can't fight in melee combat very well 10 minutes later with no medical treatment

You keep complaining like a bitch triggered manchild who like all bitch manchildren thinks this website belongs to him and splerges out constantly thinking the content is supposed to be what he wants and no one else.

Here's an idea, fuck off or grow the fuck up and scroll past shit you don't like lil man

Get a load of this moron

nobody wants TFA, have some dignity

Kylo should win the fight against a sand hobo regardless of his injury

It's what the movie set up with it's characters. Kylo should have won even if he only had one arm.

Found George. Just face it mate, stop writing your drivel. Xx

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nigger rigged it it a shit what to fix something.

wow even aotc terrible lightsaber duel looks better than this

pottery

>How does Rey know the Millennium Falcon better than Han Solo?
Her employer owns the ship. She only knows the modifications since him, people need to stop asking this.

>How did she beat Kylo Ren who trained under Luke without any training?
She didn't until she tapped into the Force. Before then, he had the advantage, even after being shot.

>be a woman
>be 2016

it's simple really

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She could fight Kylo Ren because he was severely wounded and an insecure faggot facing her after she overpowered him in the interrogation, and she wasn't even physically untrained, she had fighting practice from fighting off assholes with that fight stick on her home planet and THE FORCE AWAKENED in her literally when she touched that lightsaber that she very obviously has some sort of family relation to, since she obviously is somehow related to Kylo Ren and Luke.

she was apparently making a living off disassembling wrecked space ships since she was a kid, which literally explains how she knows what the parts in the millenium falcon are, and how they work

Obviously Luke

>vfx artists face when looking at the screenplay for this

Rey was absolutely not trained by Luke and had nothing to do with the Jedi massacre, which happened only 6 years before TFA while she'd been on Jakku for ten years. She has nothing to do with Luke nor was she a padawan unless someone else taught her.

Stop using that theory to defend her. It's been utterly destroyed by the canon timeline.

>It would have been much better if Finn was flying, I didn't even think of that. There is so much bullshit to this movie that parts of it go right over your head.

God this is so right, and the more I think about TFA the more I hate it. How did they have time to establish a first order, turn an entire planet into a lazer better than the death star that could destroy 5 planets, how did Han just happen to be in the same part of space? Why was the Mil Falc on Jakku of all places where our protag was? Why didn't Finn fly it? How did Poe even get off Jakku?

IMHO take out Starkiller, don't overlook stupid little plotholes just to make a character more talented, just make it Kylo searching for Luke, Rey comes into contact with Finn and Poe, Poe takes em to the Republic, they meet Han who still has the Falcon cause he would never fucking lose that ship, then in the process of searching for Luke they end up crossing paths with Kylo and a space battle ensues where Kylo kills Han and Rey and Kylo do battle on the spaceship. Han/leia can have Lukes lightsaber, tells Rey he picked it up from Maz who got it from scavengers on Bespin etc.

Subbed.

That faggot did a good feisty furiosa: madness road review too

Is this the birth of the RLM killer?

she spent years grinding womp rats for level ups, just like that noob luke.

I doubt you can get even close to Darth Schoolshooter's level by just killing womp rats. Remember, he probably killed a lot of younglings too.

underrated post

What was even the point of this. Even normies found it stupid.

There's literally no evidence those were her memories, if anything she was looking into the future.

Does she cut his hand off or not?

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Random Ship

The Betrayel and Massacre

Her Own Abandonment

thats bespin

The Future Fight

Trips of truth.

Sadface

You're drawing a long bow there friend.
I disliked Rey and Ren both.
This idea you're trying to push, that people who dislike Rey are just butthurt Ren fans, it's bullshit.

4 things she sees from touching the lightsaber

FIGHT!

>why wasn't everything autistically explained to me so I could fill out a wookiepedia article

serious question, why isn't she biting my dick rn??

it might now be true for everyone but its true for many many, they give it away easily, its obvious

Post your thicc Ridleys.

I don't understand how people don't understand what's going on. There is an convergence in the force not seen since Anakin was conceived that is enhancing the abilities of force sensitive individuals like Rey and Kilo. It's why Rey is channeling information and techniques she can't possibly know and why Rilo can freeze blaster bolts in mid-air. You don't have to love it but don't say it dosn't make sense or doesn't fit with the Star Wars cinematic universe.

The force dumbass

Why is Luke wearing a black hood. He wears a gray one in the end of the film. Is he really Darkside?

He's bi-forcexual

Yeah, but you're handing out the criticism indiscriminately.
How many people so you really think are rooting for a whiny immature little shit that frequently spazzes out and wrecks shit like a two year old having a sugar tantrum?

>jumping at the bit

KYS you're self

Snoke ordered him to bring her before him alive.

She knows the Millennium Falcon better than Han because it's been changed and modified by unkar and presumably others before him...
She mentions she can fly and has flown, several times during the movie. She struggles with flying the falcon to start with us she doesn't have a copilot.

and in regards to winning against Kylo.............................................................

>How many people so you really think are rooting for a whiny immature little shit that frequently spazzes out and wrecks shit like a two year old having a sugar tantrum?
Many. Is this your first TFA thread? All the ones whose responses throughout the thread have been equivalent tantrums wherein they try to build up Ren in their minds and describe him as some all powerful master, wholly upset and constantly pointing out how powerful he is and how illogical it is that he got beat by the untrained girl. Insecure autist defense mode activate!

You see thats the other point about why they are upset, they expected him to be cool calm collected bad ass. They made him seem that way in the trailers. Such stereotypical faggots I described got all excited about this because they wanted to see the character as representing them in the movie, how they see themselves in their fantasy world in their minds. Then the character turned out to be a bitch. Worse beaten by a girl.

Such insecure fags are generally misogynist since its a nice defense mechanism from a lifetime of being rejected by girls...and thus we have the painfully obvious obsessive compulsive hate common throughout these threads wherein they go out of their way to hate it because they want a hate support group since their hate stems from insecurity issues. Its not just they didn't like it, its they didn't like it because of these obvious reasons and they give it away with each response, as such they must be mocked for enjoyments sake.

the
force

Even untrained force-sensitive people use the force instinctively, particularly in an emergency.

People who are only slightly sensitive may gain a reputation for fast reflexes or unbelievable luck (Han Solo), so how about an untrained, unfocused user with the potential to rival Luke Skywalker?

Also lightsaber crystals are force-attuned. They're not just a classy weapon the Jedi decided on- they're force conduits in and of themselves. Surprise surprise to see a semi-skilled performance with one from an untrained force user in a life-or-death situation.

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Disney/lucas douche-kino-ry from a land far far away

Can someone explain how the lightsaber is blue again? did they even watch and see that it was green in the last one?

It was actually Anikan's that got passed down to Luke and he lost in ESB.

Don't know how they found it in Bespin.

i have watched straight to vhs 90's action movies with better acting than this

I hope her uncanny brilliance is explained in future films. I mean, I'm willing to accept a universe like Star Wars for the sake of enjoying a story, but I'm not willing to accept one character being better than almost any other within that universe without any explanation.

My hope is that it's to do with the force. Maybe she's a chosen one of some shit.

It wouldn't really fix anything. The real issue is that VII is boring because of it. Explaining it doesn't make VII less boring.

The Chosen One story was awful and dull the first time. It'll be even worse a second time.

We're talking comparative here. It's fine that she can do these things for force related reasons, but when compared to other characters who have the force like Luke and Kilo it's less fine.

There needs to more to her than meets the eye or this is just bad writing, making her skill this unchallenged diminishes the dramatic aspects of her journey.

Go fuck yourself, cocksucker.

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>Her character is written over three films, not one. And some shit she does in Episode 7 makes no sense as a resu

Wow, because they really set up that fucking mystery.

Everyone, including Rey, seems pretty nonplussed about her skills and how quickly she seems to pick things up (or just do them in the first place).

I think she's just that good and that because of it, her arc will be getting very, very close to going dark side.

See! It's very Empire Strikes Back. I mean FUCK

Main character gets straight up murdered and people think shit will be all hunky dory?

It will fix that particular aspect, but yeah it won't fix the film. Her arc was as dramatic as Anikan's in Episode I, no challenge felt legitimate.

Fin was better written by far in terms of drama. We see him learn how to do things throughout the film, we see his struggle being a storm trooper, we watch him try to deceive others into thinking he was a rebel, he gets his ass whooped twice even though he fought hard.

Every time Rae had a challenge appear it turned out to be no big deal. Half way through the film, I stopped being invested in her trials and tribulations.

It's interesting that Kylo would desire Anakin's lightsaber when he supposedly believes Vader's reacceptance of his old self was a mistake. He accepts Darth Vader, not Anakin. Why would he want that lame blue shit?

Is this just TFA having clumsy writing or is it a hint to Kylo's redemption? I want to believe the latter.

I feel the majority of Star Wars nerds place too much importance on their series.

The original trilogy was well done, but if it were not so, would the same beats feel legitimate today?

Totally a stalemate like said

She kinda looks like Karina from Karina's World

Even if their theory was right it doesn't excuse the fact that the story is written horribly as a single movie.

You could have empire strikes back as your first star wars movie and still completely understand what's going on and have it make sense as it's own movie. TFA you can't.

I'm not sure what you're asking.

You're letting the melodrama of the butthurt manchildren ITT influence you and alter your perceptions of the character and movie. Think and remember the movie again. She didn't actually do anything that unbelievable given the premise she's some unknown but super powerful with the force, just untrained. She did a force grab and then got in two lucky lightsaber swings on a guy with a hole in his side from chewbacca's gun, unfocused since he just murdered his father and told he has to take this chick alive.

>making excuses for their shitty writing

As people noted, the movie is a retread of the first Star Wars.

However, it's also a retread of the first of the prequel series Star Wars.

Just like everyone is a twist of someone from the previous series -
Poe Dameron is a hotshot rebel pilot WITH a cause, as opposed to Han Solo's hotshot pilot without one.
Kylo Ren serves the dark side completely (he is not going to betray the emperor at the last minute) and knows who his parents are.
Even the Yoda chick. She's just Yoda if he spoke completely plainly.

Rey = Anakin.

Except instead of being led by others, SHE is taking the lead.

And Anakin was naturally (weirdly) great at fucking engineering and driving.

>Even the Yoda chick. She's just Yoda if he spoke completely plainly.
And instead of living alone on an emptyworld, lives in a tavern, surrounding herself with people.

I'd agree because these are just kids movies. Even the original trilogy.

But it's sad that this recent kids series can't compete with a 30-40 year old one it's blatantly trying to rip off.

How did Luke know how to fly an X-Wing better than seasoned Rebel Pilots?

How did he beat the Death Star with a magic voice in his head telling him to turn off a computer?

>Kylo Ren serves the dark side completely
Not permanently. I guarantee he'll have a redemptive arc, and it might reach its zenith earlier than Vader's.

as an outsider who never comes onto Cred Forums unless its to take part in LOTR threads:

I always thought star wars was fucking lame and only saw the movie because of the STAR WARS OMG hype, I can tell you the only thing that went through my mind is this

"Huh. Well, okay. That orange thing looks kind of dumb. Why is she able to be so good at everything? This main villain is kind of a fuckup, I wonder if theyre going to somehow invert that in the next one. Holy shit Mark Hamill looks old. Welp, that was okay I guess."

>anakin's born into slavery
>anakin has a terrible childhood and is used as slave labour
>pretty much every step of the way has something bad happen to him
>first movie he is basically a bystander and plot device that gets to fly around in a ship that is on automatic pilot, and uses force to get lucky once
>still a slave, loses his mother to slavery, gets rejected by the council, his mentor dies, and new mentor doesn't like him, basically his entire new life is still shitty
>second movie rolls around, he has abilities and is being trained being the chosen one
>loses his lightsaber, fucks up protection duty of padme, breaks jedi code goes after his mother to find out she's been tortured to death, loses his arm, fifty other fucking things.

Comparing anyone in the new movie to him should be a crime. His life was one event of torture after another and he still wanted to help people.

I think I would punch you in the face if I saw you in real life.

permanently shmermeshmentsmly
it's just for the first one
they really don't need to do shit for the others,they'll make double the money anyways

All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again...and again...and again.

>>anakin has a terrible childhood and is used as slave labour
rey was scavenging for barest scraps of food in a desert planet

she's a slave too

"T-16 back home" he was experienced with small craft.

He literally had a force ghost on his shoulder making sure he didn't fuck up his death star run. Which you accidentally spelled out how people argue he isn't a mary sue, Luke is carried by people pretty much the entire way until the last movie. Where it is more about making a choice to be a jedi instead of being the best jedi. I.e his choices change his father's mind and not his abilities.

Not too mention Han coming out of nowhere to butt blast vader. Dude had a clean line of sight with no baddies on him and still needed his dead master.

Nigger what, she isn't a slave for shit, all we see is her running around scavenging shit and being cutsie. Don't try to compare them, you'll look stupid. And even then she gets a droid gifted into her lap for free.

it would be like someone giving you a horse in middle ages. She just lucks into a fortune.

Slavery please, slavery is doing things against your will like being a droid rebuilder for a jew allegory and sometimes getting the chance to almost die doing something humans aren't supposed to do like pod racing.

"I hate when watto makes you do it. "

"Makes" That kid is like 8 or 9. Imagine throwing a small kid in a vehicle and hoping he doesn't die, then off scrubbing and tinkering with shit for you.

Slavery and what she was doing way, way different.

>And even then she gets a droid gifted into her lap for free.
Are you joking? Anakin got a free droid too.

So a hick had a truck with a rifle on it and then gets thrown in a fighter jet and flies better than the fighter pilots?

He built C-3po, how is that free?

surviving because he had people helping the whole way, ghost mentor for the run and Han saving him from vader = not outdoing the other pilots.

As maybe the one person who liked BSG's finale, I absolutely understand fatalism.

And perhaps JJ is working off of more than the trilogy, but perhaps the prequels. Perhaps it is pottery.

it's clear that she learned to fight early in the movie with that fucking stick of hers

Because she's a strong, independent woman and is stronger and smarter than any man?

The difference between them are miles apart. One was shown getting saved, having luck on his side and being carried by people.

The other was magically doing everything herself on the first try.

They're not comparable, you could try to compare it to anakin but you'll just get laughed at. Anakin had one of the worst lives of any person in fiction. I think I would rather be in Hamlet or Justine compared to Anakin

It's no different that random fucking shit Anakin did like goofballing his way into a space battle and blowing the fuck up a mother ship or Luke bulleying womp death stars, etc. You all just have various biases.

How come Kylo could beat the feral nigger who preys on white women? White bois can't beat niggers.

Except Starbuck had faults and fucked up and had a self fulfilling prophecy that led to her death.

Right but Starbuck from the very first episode had flaws from insubordination, drinking, anger issues, ptsd and that was from miniseries on.

her first scene with lee is in the brig.

You can lie all you want but it comes down to definitions and flaws are what separates a character from being or not being a mary sue.

Anakin had a terrible fucking life, and played into his own downfall by making mistakes ranging from judgement calls to murder. Getting dismembered, losing his family and having his children raised to kill him.

They're not comparable at all and willfully ignoring people pointing out you're full of shit is basically turning you into a hypocrite since your 'various bias' is just plugging your ears and not reading whats in front of your fucking face.

If someone has to help you, that means you cannot do it on your own. if you make a mistake it means you cannot do it on your own. That is Luke and Anakin.

And? Do you expect all angels to be free from all faults? BSGs greatest sin was setting religion suddenly, within a few episodes. It could have been so much more...theology is such a treasure to be mined.

I wouldn't call Ron's take on organized religion versus greater creator forces as a thing to be minded. he had very simple concepts in the background of his episodes.

Using light mormon allegories and ideas is just a continuation off of themes from the original series punched up for a modern audience. Ron moore is a product of his environment and experiences like anyone else.

This is true. She is Luke and Leia's kid.

It was easily organizable bullshit, I agree, but I will always, and forever, disagree with the idea of sci-fi meeting theology.

And aren't we speaking of this in a Star Wars thread? The very idea of such resting upon a religion?

*sci-fi meeting theology being an issue.

I'm drunk. Fight me.

The difference is familiarity where the west meets east can lose itself in greater buddhist/taoist themes; chi, karma, etc. Using story structures and ideas from abrahamic religions. I think that is one of the best things about Lucas's writing is actually his research into his stories, the documentaries about philosophy research he did was almost more interesting than the other behind the scenes content. Learning about Joseph campbell and hero's journey stuff really got me into ideas behind ideas that we use for telling stories, creating characters etc.

Holy fucking meltdown. I think whats happening is you've invested some serious personal issues into an imagined, dramaticized and personalized vision Anakin in your mind to suit some role playing fantasy of a tragic figure that probably relates to yourself in some way. All from the summation of the character over 6 movies combined with personally imagined characterization. You've then felt threatened by a similar female character and reacted in massive psychological defense from a single introductory movie, feeling obligated to lash out and attack since your romanticized anakin might no longer be in the spotlight from imagined but non-existing mary sue-ness. Muh mary sue. Guys like you have beaten that term to death.

You're veering dangerously close onto prequel apologist territory, my friend.

Lucas definitely has the right IDEA on how to approach the prequels: You create a world, but how was it created? That is the crux of the prequels...

But the man was incompetent. Never, ever forget that.

Shit, I remember this marketing. See-through for fucking LIFE son.

...Why am I still here?

>remember seeing endless shit posting about the negro
>finally watch the movie
>he's one of the very few good parts about it

Darth Bignose was also okay, I liked how he kept throwing temper tantrums.

It has nothing to do with apologism, and more to do with the fact that actual documentaries exist of his script ideas and go into his writing process and talking with people that he worked with to do his research, I never said anything about the execution or if you personally liked the outcome or not, neither of those things nor your opinion entered into my thoughts.

I merely pointed out it was interesting to watch what went into it.

Well Joseph Campbell said Lucas was an excellent student and investigator so I would argue in favor of his opinion over yours.

WTF is it with guys like you and this mentally ill obsession with buzzword of the week mary sue. Its clear you have some pscho-sexual attachment to Anakin as some hero figure, most likely related to some personal relation in being an emo bitch. You're trying to parse your perceptions and clearly showing a bias. The Rey character bad. Mary Sue! Mary Sue! because she used the force without being taught but but but Anakin was tragic and sad and reminds you of yourself so its not Bzzzz mary sue..muh mary sue...when he does this or that. Oh and Luke had a ghost angel on his shoulder pulling the trigger for him so not mary sue. How contrived is that? You clearly have some bias. Stop jerking off to Anakin.

Possibly and it is hard to know where your bias comes in and if you're being objective but you could say something very similar to people defending her from the OT purists to people getting their jollies tearing shit down since they weren't happy anyway.

Even though I disagree with you on a fundamental level, that was a nice deconstruction.

It is a valid criticism and you have no defense against it which is why people cling to it. Majority of your post is mostly an attack to discredit without any validity meant to disguise and obfuscate your lack of a counter to the claim about her being a mary sue.

t. teen Freuds

I don't know why people need to invoke Anakin when discussing the quality of Rey's character, though. Anakin isn't a very good character, and neither is Rey.

Anakin was a Mary Sue.
Luke was a Mary Sue.
Rey was a Mary Sue.
None of them can act.
The force is magic that never make sense and you're all fags.

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment.

"Perfect"

We can argue over the execution of the movies but anakin was never perfect.