Why didn't Jimmy Conway get whacked?

Why didn't Jimmy Conway get whacked?

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Why would they wack him?

He was a good earner and kept the heat down.

>Jimmy was one of the most feared guys in the city. He was first locked up at eleven and was doing hits for mob bosses when he was sixteen. Hits never bothered him. It was business. But what he really loved to do was steal. I mean, he actually enjoyed it. Jimmy the kind of guy who rooted for the bad guys in the movies.

Is it just me or was there a bit of disconnect between the script (which is obviously based on the real Hill's nonfiction) and the execution? His intro makes him sound like a pretty pure psychopath but in the movie he's cold and ruthless but also really level headed and sharp. That intro sounds a lot more like it's describing Tommy than anyone else.

I bet the real Jimmy was a pretty awful dude but DeNiro brought a bit of nuance to the performance that changed the character.

He did in the sequel

sociopaths are usually smart and level headed.

source?

"Sociopath" is a colloquial that has no clinical meaning. When people talk about psychopaths or sociopaths they're usually talking about some combination of factors including Anti-Social Personality Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder and those people are rarely if ever level headed by definition.

This was the problem with me too

Jimmy was a mobster asshole, but he didn't come as a psychopath who would kill his friends. There should have been more scenes of him being a psychopath (I guess the shoeshine scene kind of counts though). It was just weird of him going from being level headed to Henry talking how he became a paranoid psychopath and killed everybody.

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>In 1962, when Burke and his future wife, Mickey, decided to get married, Burke discovered that Mickey was being bothered by an old boyfriend, who was calling her on the phone, yelling at her on the street, and circling her house for hours in his car. On Burke and Mickey's wedding day, the police found the ex-boyfriend's remains. He had been carefully cut into over a dozen pieces and tossed all over the inside of his car.

The problem is that in the book, there aren't a lot of instances of Jimmy going full psycho and just shooting or stabbing people on the street (that's what Tommy was apparently doing, though) they do talk a lot about how he did some fucked up shit in the past but they never show it, it's almost always like a side note half of the time:
>"oh and by the way Jimmy decapitated a guy who was harassing his girlfriend and drooped his body part around the city into the trash cans, yeah"

I must say that cafe scene where he gives him a "job" to whack someone in Florida is almost 1:1 to how it was described by Hill in the book.

He DID. Didn't you watch the movie?

I feel like we weren't seeing the same guy. He was choking morey out with a fucking phone cord then he's playing nice with Morey and Batts before they bit the dust. Also he got every last person involved in the heist murdered gruesomely.

I mean he was trying to kill Karen while smiling at her the entire time. Tommy was always trying to prove something. Jimmy was the real scary psycho killer.

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Henry Hill liked to portray himself as if he wasn't a murderer. He was an accomplice to at least a few in the movie. The lack of statute of limitations on murder is the only reason he clammed up on it.

>but he didn't come as a psychopath who would kill his friends
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Most of the narrations were written by Hill himself for the movie.

Deniro would also call him constantly like nine or ten times a day to ask questions

He was also pretty much ready to kill Karen until she figured out he was trying to lure her into a trap.

I'm more curious as why Tommy got whacked but Henry and Jimmy weren't since they were with Tommy when he killed Batts. Not to mention Jimmy took over Batts's old hustles

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How did Martin Scorsese not get hit by Tommy's bullets here?
He shot the gun right at the camera!
Is he immortal?

Because they whacked Tommy not just for Batts. It was just a part of it, I think he fucked someone's wife or something, Hill described Tommy as a complete psychopath who actually killed people on the streets just for the fun of it. He was destined to get whacked at some point.

I figured these cats in this scene weren't as close to Jimmy as Tommy and Henry were. Tommy, Jimmy and Henry were like a clique, and they really only fell apart after Tommy was whack.

Because Tommy was a liability and all of the bosses were tired of his shit. Paulie or one of those guys would have protected Henry or Jimmy if it was just the one fuck up but they were all tired of cleaning up after Tommy.

Tommy killed a made guy, plus other shit he did. Killing Batts was the tipping point...

what did they mean by this scene?

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A homage.

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Are you black?

He wouldnt just kill for no reason, he killed when he had too or was paid too. Im from the area where all this stuff went down, and i can tell you these types of guys are great to hang out with but you have to stay out of their business. Ask zero questions

That's a Casino reference, right?

Tommy did a lot of real life dirt. But what really fucked him over was trying to rape Henry's wife Karen. Paulie was also sleeping with Karen while he was in prison so when Henry told him what was going on it was the tipping point. This is sort of alluded too in the movie. Henry is almost completely unfazed when he learns Tommy got clipped.

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>Friends

They were business partners who became a liability.

He was trying up loose ends.

Sounds pretty level headed to me.

Some of the dudes in the scene were "friends" with Jimmy since the 50's and 60's. You can see some of them in old photographs with Henry, Tommy and Jimmy. Can't forget some of these guys were legit psycho killers. They'll smile and laugh with you before putting a bullet in the back of your head and call you a rat.

sure

I understand you but sometimes it's not the best business practice. If people fear you, they're likely to flip on you out of fear.

In the gay mafia, if you get whacked, is that a good thing?

Van?

I agree; much like Gus in Breaking Bad said:

Fear isn't an effective motivator; someone who wants to work will do a much better job at it.

But sometimes you need that fear to keep people in line.

Don't ask me, I'm no Capo regime.

I'm more of Luca Brasi (book version); just tell me what needs doing and I'll handle it.

it always seemed like being a friend of a mobster (like, casual friend, not """friend""" aka accomplice) would be comfy. just exchanging pleasantries on the street, maybe he gives you some leftovers from his ma, maybe you back up his alibi once in a while, etc

You can be my friend, kid

You're neither. You're a fucking neet posting on an anonymous imageboard from your mother's basement.

fuckin buried that cawksucka

Nah. If you notice the scene where Batts gets beat, Jimmy is casually talking to him about life. In the next moment he's stomping him. But he's not swearing. He's simply exerting himself. Tommy is going "FUCK YOU" and getting enraged but Jimmy might as well be rubbing one out.

That's just one example.

A friend of mine? Or a friend of ours?

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I never realized he had a pistol. Neat.

Love the sfx in that scene too.

What? How did you not notice? Especially when he gave her the bloody gun to hide?

I'm a big picture kind of guy. I'm usually ignorant of small details.

There was a focused shot of the bloody gun...

I'm also severely forgetful. If you introduced yourself to me I'd probably forget your name if I saw an interesting bird fly past us.

Paulie probably argued there was no proof the trio had anything to do with Batt's death, his peers wouldn't accept this, and someone needed to be seen to pay, so as a compromise only the individual who'd had an angry quarrel with Batt's was killed.

Supposedly the real life Tommy got whacked by John Gotti personally.

Are you scorcese? read that shit in liottas or pescis voice

Jimmy was worse than Tommy, but smarter. Tommy had no control over himself. Jimmy is the kind of guy who interally wants to rip you apart, but he knows it would get himself caught. And that's not part of his plan.

this and this

he thinks and acts like a serial killer

Henry and Jimmy brought in good money and didn't fuck up much
Also in Henry's case they don't have any reason to think he did it, he stops Tommy from attacking batts infront of witnesses, then tries to smooth things over with Batts

I met Kevin Weeks at a bar once. He was a nice enough guy to have a beer with but if you got in his way I'm sure he'd kill you without a second thought. He's got those crazy blue eyes. Some people are good at turning it on and off.

The book you're all referencing of the "real life" Tommy and Jimmy is "Wiseguy" right?

I want to read whatever it is you're talking about.

fuck off faggot, i bet that dude is a fucking pussy now

You were in bed while your mom asked you to get a job fantasizing about going to bars and meeting people

we are talking about goodfellas you cuckold

Jokes on you m8, I'm a wage slave. I also met Pudge Rodriguez in the same bar during the 2013 World Series.

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