Some people, got to have it!

Some people, got to have it!

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grab em by da poosi

All election memes aside The Apprentice was pretty fucking comfy

I'm still hoping he pulls off an upset, Clinton presidency sounds boring and corrupt as fuck with no repercussions.

Greb em by tha pucci

When Clinton is elected what are you guys going to do when we go to war with Russia? I refuse to fight for a country that could elect such a corrupt piece of shit!

>boring af
>ww3
pick one

Wont be "war" war. It's gonna be like the cold war-lite.

>This is what morons believe

>If Clinton is elected
Buy defense & oil stocks. If you can't beat 'em, profit alongside 'em.

t. hillary shills.

Even Gorbachav said things are now worse than when he was in charge

Go back to Cred Forums. Then again, you only got another 24 days before your board is going to be destroyed when Drumpf loses.

>Drumpf
KYS

>your board is going to be destroyed
I don't think you understand whats going to happen you fucking star wars tourist.
Once the election is over all the cancer thats there just for the election are going start getting bored and flood every other board.

t. cuckservatards

Nov 8, you're done. Queen Hillary will be elected.

>Go back to Cred Forums

but Cred Forums IS Cred Forums

>archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/ PresidentClinton/image/Ey6bHktj2UF9sNWGybDlhQ/

Why are you a cross poster?

Why are you a cuck for Drumpf?

IT'S TIME

TO GO BACK

>Once the election is over all the cancer thats there just for the election are going start getting bored and flood every other board.
right, because containment is working so well right now. It's not like there's 3 "Hillary is going to attack Russia" and 2 Aleppo threads on the front page of Cred Forums right no

Not that guy, but most posters don't just stick to one board.

Me? I'm /f/, Cred Forums, Cred Forums, /tg/ masterrace

But I'm not
I don't think you understand, newfrog
They won't be posting what you consider "Cred Forums shit". It'll be like when the cancer from /got/ gets bored but don't leave

Is he done?

He was done after the first debate, and the grab her by the pussy tape solidfied it. Hillary Clinton will be the next President.

Anons, I'm sorry to dissapoint your dissapointment, but it was all doom from the start anyway. Trump is shit, Hillary is shit, Bernie is shit and so is Obama and Bush, and the entire US and the Euroscum as well and the commies and third worlders and the Japs, Chinese, Latin America, it's all shit. There is no such thing as government or democracy or dictators or revolutions, there is only money and where is at and ignorant people who are too rich to even know shit about the world fighting each other and using people's opinions over the other via buzzwords, researching, speculating, investing in sustaining themselves, dethroning the other and so on while using the means that will do less harm to their image, manipulating information, maximizing profit, destroying nature and enslaving you more and more as well as making new ways for you not to realize it. Try to go with it and you'll be a sad and dumb alienated human being, try to change it and you'll either go on shouting stupidities to no one, or you'll be betrayed by those who follow you, or in the event of something actually go right, they'll concede some place for you just so they can use you and destroy you next so things can be as they are, forever and ever until the bitter end. The Earth won't be destroyed by the environment or some war, that would be too good to be true. What will happen is that we will live for millions of years to come, as things get worse and worse for the poor while not affecting the top 0,0001% of the population, descendents of the 0.1% of the population of today and you'll say "what's next? gas masks to go outside?" and there you go using it, and then you'll protest against nuclear war and nuclear war will happen anyway and people will wear the flag of the country on their fb photo and then produce documentaries that will win oscar and more money for them, then everyone will forget about it like good sheep, then you'll have all sorts of cancer and we will be like frogs on boiling water.

>crossposters will stop spamming Cred Forums shit and instead will talk about pleb shit movies
sounds like a dramatic improvement desu senpai

That's literally old news, user. It's all about the Apprentice contestant and Gloria Allread now.

>you will be alive to witness the greatest meltdown in Cred Forums history when Trump loses

Oh I can't wait.

First he's going to destroy the retarded republican party. Then he'll destroy pol and the alt right

Trump actually did us a service!

>you will be alive to witness the nuclear meltdown when Hillary starts war with Russia

THANK YOU DONALD

THANK YOU FOR BEING A DEMOCRATIC PLANT

WE GETTING A DEMOCRATIC SUPERMAJORITY WITH QUEEN HILLARY

>Hiro already having massive money problems
>pretty much every board that once had some semblance of culture is a shell of its former self
>genuine Cred Forums culture replaced by general circlejerks and newfaggotry
I can't wait for Cred Forums to explode because it will finally be the death knell for Cred Forums and I can be free

You're a pleb

The funny thing is Trump doesn't actually know what the lyrics to that song mean. It's not praising money it's condemning the negative effects that result from the love of money.

>Hillary is going to start a war with Russia

>but Trump, the man who can't even deal with people joking with him on twitter, won't.

I'm Cred Forums, Cred Forums, Cred Forums, Cred Forums, Cred Forums, /trv/, Cred Forums, /n/, /o/, /vg/, sometimes /r9k/ (not often), sometimes /s4s/, and /s/ for porn

I've been on this site so long that staying on a single board bores me now. I did it for ages.

Cred Forums was my main board for years. Probably 2008 - 2013

Cred Forums was my main board from 2013 - 2014

Cred Forums was my main board from 2014 - 2015

Cred Forums has been my main board since. But as I say I increasingly move around much more.

Oh yeah and I used to go on Cred Forums but I guess Cred Forums replaced that for me.

jesus christ I couldn't imagine a more normie collection of boards

why is lumpy man 40 years younger in his promo art?

I always load up my main 4 or 5 boards when I feel like lurking and open a tab for every thread I find interesting, then slowly work my way through them reading and commenting, prune a few that aren't being as interesting as I thought and leave 3 or 4 up for some (you)s.
I've been doing this for so long I have a system.

Oh and /fit/ sometimes. Much more when I was going to the gym.

And I occasionally visit random boards like /biz/ or /sci/ or /3/ but just for kicks. I don't stick around very long.

Oh, and I go to /adv/ quite a lot. And /ck/ occasionally.

In summary, I go to basically every board apart from the weeb ones, and apart from the fag ones (/lgbt/ and /mlp/). And apart from weird-ass, nerdy autist shit like /qst/, /toy/, shit like that.

Hillary flipped out and needed "a cooling off period" because Bill had to cancel a speech in front of bankers.

Not even a Trump supporter, but that woman is unhinged.

As far as I am aware Trump at least does not have a war with Russia as his official policy

Unlike Hillary with her No Fly Zone over Syria

What can I say, I have friends.

Sounds autistic as fuck.

Damn, even Satan thinks Hillary's crazy.

Welcome to the desert of the real

>he doesn't know Trump is in Russia's pocket

This
Shit is happening whether we like it or not

> Claims Trump assaulted her at a club in NYC in early 1990s
> Says she was sitting on a couch talking with her friends when Trump sat beside her and began to grope and kiss her
> No one from that club has been able to corroberate the story
> Never reported it
> Said she may have told family it happened

This woman claims that she was in a crowded club with Donald Trump. That she was with her friends, chilling on a sofa. That Donald Trump sat next to her, and out of no where, began groping her. But somehow, someway, none of the friends Anderson was with on that couch have been available to corroborate the story. And, trust me, it’s not simply a matter of trying to get in touch with them. If the Washington Post or NYT had corroborating witnesses, you better believe your ass they would have included that tidbit to reinforce their savage pummeling of Trump. But they didn’t. Because they don’t. Because somehow we’re just supposed to trust that not a single person in the entire club Donald Trump, a multibillionaire and celebrity, was visiting noticed him or what he was doing.

Back where?

>weeks before election
>suddenly just now all these women randomly coming forward claiming he raped them

So did they just happen to remember it now? They didn't say anything the entire time he's been running?

Honestly I'd rather want to see the entire global planet have a media meltdown instead. Now that's lasting entertainment

It's hilarious watching Hillary supporters be so gullible.

Calm down faggot, it's political mud slinging.

Trump isn't going to win though, so just go on ahead and curb your enthusiasm.

Does anyone even seriously believe that this wasn't consensual?

Back then he had a chance of being president, so of course they'll stay quiet out of fear that he'll jail them for "slandering" his name, like he said he would do to journalists who say anything negative about him. Now that Hillary is pretty much guaranteed to win they know they have nothing to fear anymore.

>Trump brags about committing assault on tape
>Cooper asks him about it
>Trump denies every having done anything like it
>Women (who up until now may have believed these to be isolated incidents, that they were the only one) come out to contradict him

This are some incredible mental gymnastics.

With skills like this, you could almost arrest someone for rape just because it happened in a dream and it was too real to distinguish from reality.

I wish I was joking, but that's seriously the direction that we're heading.

>Cred Forums needs to delude themselves into thinking wwiii will happen in order to justify voting for trump

>assault
That's an interesting word, considering the very next phrase is "and they let me do it."

If I didn't know any better, I'd think that he is bragging about how women make themselves available to him, rather than his ability to literally force people into having sex with him.

Thank god people like you exist to correct me.

youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk

Yeah, letting him get away with it totally makes it not assault. Uninvited groping is assault, user. You think women call the police every time somebody gropes their tit?

>Trump: admits to making unwanted advances in candid conversation
>lol just talk yo

>women come forward saying he did those things he admitted no
>noooo, it's the media making shit up

back to the future

It's actually a globalist conspiracy.

People who do that shit rationalize it to themselves.

memes aside, hillary has a standard democrat policy platform and trumps is boilerplate neoconservative. all trump is going to do is further deregulate industries and try to nix things like planned parenthood

>It's a thinly-veiled CTR thread
$0.08 has been deposited to your Nerd Virgin account

>t. nimble america

Yes. Just like wikileaks putting out a bunch of emails right after that happened.

No, it's the media with the agenda.

Trump is most likely to start a war because of his unstable and insecure character though.

>this is our next President

>You think women call the police every time somebody gropes their tit?
No. Because it's meaningless bullshit that's incredibly easy to get over.
Do you know what real assault looks like?
What actual bodily harm is?

I have no idea how I ended up in a universe where physical injury came to be on the same level as simple body contact, and this absurdity is going to catch up with the law eventually.

I don't see the problem desu

haha, yeah, sexual assault is nbd #maga

Nigga what?
The neocons have been endorsing Hillary like crazy.

>sexual """assault"""

...

Thanks for a glimpse into the mind of a Trump voter.

Matt Groening is a Trump voter?

>talking to a womyn is assault in current year

can't even watch this shit anymore

my parents play the news really loud too so I can't avoid it

women are fucking dumb and shouldn't be able to vote. Just try to debate me.

>penn gillette got fucked over twice

>it's a politico obsessed partisan thinks whatever candidate they don't support will make America a post apocalyptic wasteland episode

fucking hate this board every four years

You sound triggered, Trumplr.

It's 2016, if you even accidentally make eye contact with a woman who doesn't find you attractive then it's rape.

war with russia might do that

we've literally been minutes away from sending nukes because of a minor mistake with the computer systems

>grabbing someone is talking

I guess if someone is chatting while kicking the shit out of you, it doesn't really count.

>"I can't believe Trump said the word pussy. I'm going to vote for a woman who wants to go to war with Russia, create more Middle-Eastern chaos, and who is 100% corrupt to the core."

Are most Americans just retarded or uninformed?

Who's gonna start a war with Russia? Who has anything to gain from that? You're retarded.

That depends. Is leftism a form of retardation?

both

so now you can't touch women either? How would babies be produced?

the lady on the airplane already got btfo by another british passenger who says her story is totally wrong

then this literal fag anderson cooper is believing every word these random women say to him. Like yeah Hillary totally crushed my balls in 1980

I'd rather be lightly grabbed than be kicked any day.

You know why?
Because the latter is actual assault.

Except in this case, there is clearly a single candidate (Clinton) who is actively pushing for more aggression with nuclear powers, versus the other candidate (Trump) who said to just fuck off

Most Americans are tired for 16 years of constant war

It's not Clinton advocating use of nuclear weapons.

>there's no such thing as war profiteers

You'd rather I kick you then exploit my position of authority and physical power over you by groping your dick and kissing you?

If he grabbed Russia by the Pussy all world tensions would be solved.

yes yes of course politico

clinton will make war with russia just like she did when she was secretary

just like her husband did when he was president

it won't just be another 8 years of posturing and status quo with corporations lobbying and running everything

oh gee I don't know
foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

and there are leaked nato docs with hillary's signature on them about war plans against Russia

>it's not Clinton advocating the use of nuclear weapons


You're right, she's only threatened to shoot down Russian planes if they enter America's "no fly zone" over Syria :^) totally different

I guess that depends, are you cute and rich?

100 Clinton-bucks have been deposited into your Correct the Record account

and in 8 year another meme candidate like ron paul and trump will save us from another nuclear happening apocalypse that only they can save us from Obama, Bush or Clinton

Yes it is, because that wouldn't even start a regular war, nevermind a nuclear one.

even jill stein disagrees
realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/jill_stein_hillary_clintons_declared_syria_policy_could_start_a_nuclear_war.html

sorry but shillary is a warmonger

I'd say false equivalences are beneath you, but the reality is they're not.

>jill stein
How about anybody with any degree of foreign policy experience or knowledge?

>bringing facts to an emotion fight
SMDHTBHFAM

B-b-but CNN told me that Trump is unstable!!

John Oliver told me Drumpf was just a joke!!


How can my favorite propaganda machines be wrong??

Would you like it if Donald Trump grabbed your balls randomly? I'd rather be beat up.

False equivalency is comparing rape to murder.
Similarly, thinking sexual assault is more heinous than aggravated assault is also ridiculous.

It's kinda incredible, actually. Even when she has clear benefits and motivations for accusing him of when he did it, both of which are concisely explained with the timing of the accusation, you still don't even question it.

Listen. And. Believe.

jill stein is a literal liberal retard

it's funny you guys make fun of liberal retards like her who believe in autism vaccines but when she says something just as stupid but that you agree with she is a wise elder all of the sudden

Who free money here?

>Would you like it if Donald Trump grabbed your balls randomly?
Now?
Probably not.

30 years ago?
I might reciprocate in the offchance he'll give me money.
Hell, if you paid me to say it was actually rape 30 years later, I'd even do that too.

>people supporting Trump yell bullshit about war

Uh, huh. I remember when Bush was going to nuke Iran, too.

Obviously not you.

>vote for Donald "I love your big fat Russian cocks, masters!" Trump
>or
>vote for Hillary "never gets rusty around a ruskie" Clinton

Hmmmmmm, really gotta think on this one!

>can barely form a coherent sentence
>calls other people retards

l m a o

nigga the entire GOP is backing clinton at this point. trump is a clown, even his promises to deregulate everything and slash taxes for the rich aren't enough to court the right wing

>losing 100 bucks

you're all kinda stupid and shitty, and none of you will vote so this is kind of a fun playskool game on Cred Forums for you dull homebodies.

she's a doctor and actually smart. I don't agree with everything but she actually goes on TV and explains actual stuff instead of hiding somewhere and having a bunch of minions working for her like shillary

No, a false equivalence is equating talking to someone with grabbing them, even their genitals.

I don't question most of them because he literally admitted to doing it on tape. Are some of them lying? Probably.

>she's a doctor and actually smart
Like Ben Carson? Doctors can be retarded, user, and Jill Stein definitely is.

>Republicans have become so desperate to win they start becoming slaves and mouthpieces to a Russian intelligence front (Wikileaks)

Hmm wonder why Russia would want Trump to be president

Most likely cause a strong America that Trump would usher in would mean good things for Russia

>suddenly it's cool to be pro war

Liberals, everyone

Winning $300. My bet is on the future president. You're gonna look stupid in a month.

Funny thing ive never been able to find anyone who could actually tell me why Jill stein isnt good for the country.

Would you like to tell me why she is so retarded?

>she's a doctor

So's Carson. How old is the Earth, friend?

ben carson is also smart

inb4 memes

Smart, but retarded.

What would that do with her knowing shit all about foreign policy or vaccinations considering her doctorate isn't in medicine

>Russian intelligence front (Wikileaks)

it's an australian in an ecuadorian embassy in london. Lefties loved him when he leaked things about the US gov and military before he leaked stuff about hillary. Really makes me think

you people have either haven't had the time to grow up or will never grow up.

operate on any brains lately?

hillary might need one since she has to avoid flashes from cameras or she might have seizures in public :^)

Bless your soul, have a star

>suddenly it's cool to kiss Mother Russia's ass

Conservatives, everyone

>No, a false equivalence is equating talking to someone with grabbing them, even their genitals.
Is that what I said?
I don't remember saying that.

>Are some of them lying? Probably.
The answer is "most" of them.
And if it's a question of trauma, then it's probably extremely low and played up for drama.

Accusing a playboy billionaire of being a sexually aggressive womanizer would have been just as believable in the 90's as it would have been now.
The only difference is that now the claim has monetary value.

If anything, going by the asinine childish liberal logic that I know you endorse, she's a horrible person for being silent about it for over 30 years instead of helping to lock up a potential criminal. Even Bill Cosby's victims attempted to get the word out well before his arrest.

This is a very clear case of monetizing off of sensationalism, and the fact that you're buying is disgusting.

>not threatening war or trying to invade other countries and change regimes is kissing ass

yeah hillary just invade a couple more countries

sure this will work out if you try it enough

>leaking things about Hillary

Have you read the emails? It's literally a bunch of shit everyone already knew. There's nothing there.

If there was, he'd have leaked them during the primaries. Now suddenly he leaks them right after the Trump tapes come out. Only leaking shit about the DNC and Clinton--selected shit at that.

There's a pretty clear agenda there, user.

Or maybe he just actually groped them. Like he said.

fucking lol

Showed up on my newsfeed today. I literally laughed for like six minutes. Why is this so funny?

Who says you did? The user upthread certainly did. "now talking to a woman is assault".

>answer is most of them

You know this?

Why are they coming out now? Because he fucking admitted to it on tape, then said he never did that shit.

>liberal logic

No, actually, I'm a conservative. I just don't suck the cock of anyone who attaches an R to their name.

Lets not put a meanie who said bad words like Trump in the White House.

Instead lets put a rapist and someone who will start WW3 in there.

Fucking braindead globalist cucks.

Tell me this,

Has Assange ever leak anything that hasn't been damaging to the US and only the US.

Who also made the move to get Snowden to Russia, he had a talk show in Russia on a government controlled channel, a delegation was sent with his father, and he is backing Assad's position in line with Putin.

You guys in Cred Forums love tinfoil shit but can't connect the dots on something that easy.

Why has Wikileaks only leaked stuff on the US if he isn't based in the US.

And she was obviously very bothered by it.
Which is why she waited until she could make money off of it to bring it up. 30 years later.

Which, again, is a really interesting thing; why is it that these claims and events are all literally decades a part?

at least you emotional cripples like to nnyyyuuu your way though this for the greater good.

>lets put a rapist

Hillary touched someone? Was it Huma?

I guarantee you that the majority of these women will make no money off of this and will instead only have to deal with the stress of people harassing them over it (like Lou Dobbs, an actual journalist, tweeting out the contact information of one accuser). If you don't understand why now is an appropriate time to bring this up then I just don't know what to say to you.

>2016
>being this retarded

>Because he fucking admitted to it on tape, then said he never did that shit.
Or, because it was coordinated in advance and used as sabotage in an attempt at career assassination rather than any real concern for arresting a sexual predator.

How long were these tapes known about?
Why did they only come out 2 days before the debate?
Why the complete lack of urgency on something recorded 11 years before?

>I guarantee you that the majority of these women will make no money off of this
But god bless them for trying, amirite?

Obviously somebody found it going over old footage of Trump. That's just a stupid series of questions.

>Obviously somebody found it going over old footage of Trump.
The footage would have been found years sooner had any of these women cared enough in the first place to file something.

>Believes Bill Clinton is running for president
>Le Bill Clinton rapist maymay
>Globalist will start WW3
>Not an unpredictable orange that wants to hate fuck Chyna

I'm an understanding, I'm okay with Trump potentially winning. But this is just advanced retardation

Shouldn't the potential winning be much higher on the account that his chances of winning are next to nothing.

I guess that makes it all okay.

that's like 3 memes you're taking seriously

how many traps do you think he grabbed?

The premise is that the action was heinous because of the emotional trauma that was inflicted, but there is zero sign of significant emotional trauma and more signs of opportunism than a legitimate concern.

The idea that any of these interactions were on the same level as any form of assault drags down the meaning of assault. You're essentially celebrated a clear cut perversion of justice.

>but there is zero sign of significant emotional trauma

youtube.com/watch?v=hBRr0lfYNCU

>is it a coincidence right before each debate some tape or information is leaked about either party
>is it a coincidence CNN only covers one side of those stories
Is it a coincidence that you dum as fuk?
Obviously everyone has a dog in this fight, and they're doing what they can to make sure theirs wins.
Spoiler alert, Trump never had a chance.

Coached.

Bill Clinton raped several girls.

Will Bill be in the White House or not if the reptilian with her disgusting rubber skin wins?

You get the odds you bet on and that's a fake poll. Trump has a tremendous chance of winning.

>Brags about groping women
>Women come out and say he groped them
>Nu-uh its a conspiracy

>Says allegations against Bill must be true despite no proof because there were 4 of them and that number is too hard to ignore
>15 women accuse him
>NO THERE ISNT ANY PROOF

Ur retarded u have no clue how rediculous corporation taxes are i the U.S. which is why he is lowering them. He spoke about getting rid of other tax bemefits rich people such as himself take advantage of while hillary ignored them as thats what her rich friends told her to do

>fake poll
>Trump has a tremendous chance of winning

Weird coincidence that they are coming out so close to the election, so that it can't be proven as false before election day, huh?

Comon, it's easy to tell what's fake

Trump is a pussy magnet, he wouldn't need to rape girls cause they would jump on his dick cause of celebrity status and being rich

Meanwhile Bill looks like a whithered chinaman, the best he could do is Hitlery so motivationally, he would need to rape women if he had to settle for her

>this level of fucking delusion

never change, Cred Forums

>actually believing whores who just happened to remember he touched them in their no-no places so close to an election

He didn't rape he committed sexual assault which he himself brags about. I mean c'mon there's audio and video.

>He doesn't understand sexual assault stats

I did a project in crim during Uni, so let me have a crack at this debate. To start, I'm using outright rape statistics.

This is the gist of it: 16% of reported rapes are either false or no evidence can be found. 15% didn't warrant an arrest, aka they were serious enough. 28% were suspended for a lack of sufficient evidence(evidence exists, just not enough) to arrest. 17% are dropped during investigation due to lack of co-operation.

20% are arrested, of which 33% of cases are rejected by prosecution. 20% dropped by judge for numerous reasons. 33% plead guilty.

So of known rapes this is the result:

It is unlikely anyone was raped: 33.5%
We have no idea if anyone was raped: 58.7%
Someone was almost certainly raped: 7.8%

Unknown rapes: 2/3 of rapes go unreported as tested by blind surveys. I pulled this stat right now off a random website however, such surveys are the gold standard for government crime reports and independent studies.

In short, is Donald a predator? Idk. However, it is normal for sexual assaults to not be reported as convictions tend to be difficult to attain.

Usually when one comes out the others who for many reasons decided to stay quiet also come out, this happens all the time look at Bill Cosby for example.

>they let me
that's not assault of any kind

>Hillary exploiting women and their "sexual" abuses just to win an election

Disgusting, who resorts to this kind of low scummy politics

Trump gets elected
>"Okay now I'm going to slash taxes in half!"
>House and Senate "No you aren't, that's a stupid idea and we all hate you"

>"Okay now we're going build a wall!"
>House and Senate "No you aren't, that's a stupid idea and we all hate you"

>"Okay now we're going to appoint a special prosecutor to put Hilary in jail!"
>House and Senate "No you aren't that isn't in your job description and she's already been cleared in congressional hearings"

10 of them spread across multiple independent news organizations/blogs, on the same fucking day before any one of them knew about the others.

k

>what is executive order?

>What is the judicial branch?

>American people
>"none of you will ever work in government again"

>they let me

This is Trump's interpretation of events. Women (and even men too) often times do not report sexual assaults for various reason, fear, job/money/career on the line, or they simply do not know how and are too intimidated.