Why was it so shit?

why was it so shit?

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The Force Awakens? He outlines why it's shit in that great video you screenshotted.

Because you wanted him to hate it and he didn't.

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>He outlines why it's shit in that great video you screenshotted.
except he doesn't

>tfw to intelligent to argue with you

Because the prequels are unironically in the same ballpark of quality with the OT.

ESB is made with the precision of a Fincher film.
The other five are all about equal.

Because it wasn't about what you personally wanted it to be and didn't validate your contrarian opinion.

Because it's not as much to rip TFA awakens apart because it was a competently made film.

Unlike the prequel, which failed to connect with audiences on every level.

The guy literally explains why.

1. Prequels were shit; here is why
2. TFA was not as shit; here is why
3. TFA however, does not hold up to a second viewing; here is why
4. TFA would be better if this had happened; here is why
5. TFA wasn't terrible, but it wasn't amazing, here is why
6. The next film could save it by doing this; here is why

Did you even watch it?

Because TFA is extremely bland and safe, so all he could do is point out how bland and safe it is. He even already analyzed JJ Abrams' particular brand of bland safeness in the ST review so he was even limited there.

B-but it didn't validate my opinion or nitpick like I wanted it to!

>1. Prequels were shit; here is why
>here is why

nah
Memes arent't reality.

Mike is a shiteating pleb who liked Jurassic World and ID42

>Everyone hates the new review, r-right guys?

No you fucking idiot
OP was asking why the plinkett review was shit

Fucking moron, read the posts before you post

>According to Cred Forums, lack of story focus and coherence, lack of likeable characters, lack of interesting cinematography and scene block, and lack of story depth are simply just memes

Same old arguments they'd made before
Bringing up some stupid fan theory nobody gives a shit about
They'd already circle-jerked that they loved TFA so they couldn't do real criticism

RLM is dead

And I explained why it wasn't shit, by explaining that the review was competently explained and covered the material needed; that of reviewing TFA.

Please, user. Don't let fury cloud your vision.

>And I explained why it wasn't shit
Where?

>Fucking moron, read the posts before you post
The irony here off the charts.

Are you really this stupid or just pretending?

I'm just pretending

By telling you that he explained his reasoning in an ordered fashion. I even linked it in order.

He was explaining what the prequels did wrong (pretty much everything bar Liam Neeson and chorography) so when he talked about TFA, you understood what he was on about and didn't go

>OMG YOU JUST HATE THE PREQUELS AND DON'T LIKE THEM BECAUSE BASED LUCAS DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU WANTED, SEE, YOU WERE OK WITH X IN TFA SO WHY WEREN'T YOU OKAY WITH Y IN PREQUELS?????

I didn't want him to hate it. I wanted him to Plinkett it.

1. Ring theory, why spend so long on it?
2. Other reviewers, why bring them up at all?
3. Retread of previous commentary on state of Star Wars franchise felt really lazy
4. Review of TFA was lacklustre and didn't address keypoints eg; Is Rey a Mary Sue

Really iy felt more like it should've been one of those commentary tracks they do for movies rather than a Plinkett.

He went so easy on it because it came after the prequels, which, for as big of a fuck up as they were, still had more original ideas than anything in the Force Awakens.

>/threading yourself

Get out.

>1. Ring theory, why spend so long on it?
Because it was a topic that interested Mike and he wanted to discuss it.

>2. Other reviewers, why bring them up at all?
Because it was a topic that interested Mike and he wanted to discuss it. Also, because it's true. The online critic landscape has changed drastically since the original Plinkett reviews. And it has changed the way people react to modern movies, which ties in with the polarizing online reaction to TFA.

>3. Retread of previous commentary on state of Star Wars franchise felt really lazy
It's there to connect the idea that people complaining about TFA being a retread are ignoring that Star Wars as been a retread of itself for a very long time.

>4. Review of TFA was lacklustre and didn't address keypoints eg; Is Rey a Mary Sue
Because TFA isn't worth the kind of dissection that the prequels were. Star Wars is now a product and we'll be getting at least one new Star Wars movie every year and the quality of the movies as individual movies doesn't even matter anymore.

Which is overanlysis based on hatred.

The video is about Star Wars fandom and online criticism and not about TFA. You think it's shit because you just wanted a simple TFA review that validated your opinion.

>1. Prequels were shit; here is why
This isn't entirely accurate. It isn't "why the prequels were bad" but rather "why people who say 'the prequels are good' are wrong."

He did "why the prequels were bad" in three other videos.

>He did "why the prequels were bad" in three other videos.
Yes, exactly. What's your point?

>based on hatred
Not at all. He's done Plinkett reviews of movies he liked/didn't think were that bad.

The Star Trek 2009 review is an example of what a Plinkett TFA review could have been (and I recommend watching it if you haven't because it's a good video).

Ring theory was fucking boring man.
Some nerd shit nobody cares about
literally had to skip through this

>What's your point?
That you weren't being entirely accurate in your description of this review. I made that point pretty abundantly clear in my reply.

But Plinkett reiterates why the prequels were bad in the new video as well.

They addressed it because if they didn't, they'd be called out for it by those that propose it.

It was boring stupid shit, but he had to break it down so that his dismissal wouldn't be characterized as glib.

Take some Ritalin or something.

Because he tried to put a fun albeit unoriginal movie on blast and spent the first half hour or more shitting on the Ring Theory for some fucking reason.

Sure. But he cared about those. He didn't care about this bland first part of a trilogy. But he decided to force out this video to shut up all the people desperate to see it hoping for a repeat of his prequel series.

It wasn't

People generally agree AotC is the shittest, but because of stuff like this, it's my fav.

Not at all. He reiterates that they were bad, but doesn't go into great detail as to why (as stated, he's already done that). Instead, the first part is, as I said, more about debunking people saying that they were good, which is entirely different.

>fun

I was pretty fucking bored during it, desu.

Literally started playing with the napkin that came with my popcorn while I sat there attempting to watch it.

I never heard of this stupid Ring Theory before this shitty review
If he wanted to adress this topic so bad, he should have done this in a review that focuses on the prequals
If I watch a TFA review, I dont wanna hear some stupid fan theory on the prequals

>talks about random unrelated star wars fan theory for 40 minutes

The guy who wept after seeing TFA, saying it was "so good," and talked about it for hours, doesn't care about it?

Meanwhile, he did a Plinkett review of Cop Dog, a movie that is clearly near and dear to his heart.

>literally had to skip through this

And how does you skipping parts affect anyone?

>I was pretty fucking bored during it, desu.

You're an anomaly. Zack Snyder makes boring movies, Abrams does not.

>He reiterates that they were bad, but doesn't go into great detail as to why
He doesn't have to. There's six hours of material of him carefully breaking them down.

>Instead, the first part is, as I said, more about debunking people saying that they were good, which is entirely different.
This is accurate. What is your point?

it shows just how bad and boring that part of plinkett review was

He goes into the "ring theory" bullshit no one cares about, he says Finn is a flat character and yet not once does he mentions the "Rey is a Mary Sue" argument.
He showed every bullshit behind-the-scene with George Lucas and yet he barely showed the cringy shit Abrams said, like at Comicon.
He literally glossed over all the points which would make TFA look bad, because he didn't want to.

It's not an anal-sys, it's an opinion piece, which is not what Plinkett does.

because he didn't tell you exactly what you wanted to hear.

Didn't care about doing a plinkett video. Fucks sake you AUTIST. Can ypou just get the fuck over that people like TFA regardless of your autistic hatred for
>MUH NIGGERS
>MUH GIRL PROTAGONISTS
>MUH KYLO WUZ BEET, WAAAIIII?

>What is your point?
That you were wrong on this one point. I'm glad we both agree with that now, and can move on to discussing things other than you being wrong about one thing, because you're man enough to let go of one little mistake you made that got pointed out by me.

>He didn't say she was a Mary Sue
He did mock sexists in the video.

why do you think did he do that?
Did Disney offer him money?

I love TFA, though. I just wanted him to do a Plinkett review of it.

Fuck, I'd love to see him do Plinkett reviews of the original trilogy, too.

>You're an anomaly

Among the Force Awakens fanbase I certainly am, because I've seen non-shit films that are actually deep and/or entertaining.

I'd rather spend 2 hours watching the worst adventure serial from the 40's than re-watch Force Awakens. It was pretty fucking bad. Only entertaining bit was the planet space-ship chase, and that scene where Finn gets his shit kicked by a storm trooper. That's pretty much about it.

Everything else was by-the-numbers, predictable, filler. I even saw Han Solo's death coming.

Abrams is a mediocre director that over-saturates his films, fooling the uneducated into thinking they're good. The only half decent film he's made is Star Trek.

He should've just shat all over prequelfags instead of trying to address their arguments rationally.

It's not like they're rational people to begin with anyway, it's literally just turbofaggots with shitty nostalgia who grew up on the prequels and don't ever want to admit they belong to the generation of the most shitty and lazy Star Wars movies.

I'd literally put every prequelbaby to the sword and gas chamber if I could.

You're only saying all that because it didn't have a white male hero.

>that scene where Finn gets his shit kicked by a storm trooper

Yep, confirmed.

He also mocked feminists.

Maybe. He did imply Disney paid off those online journalists, that doesn't exclude him you know.

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And he did.
But it was half arsed.
Because he only did it for the sake of fan demand.

Have you ever tried doing something you are feeling FORCED TO DO versus something you WANT TO?

nice balls Rich

Go back cuck.

Who the fuck is that and why are you niggers posting that same fucking drawing for a week now? Is it a show or what?

Then by that same logic I should also hate BLADE, but I don't. WHOOPSY DAISY! TEEHEE!

Guess you're just gonna have to try another strawman, SJW faggot.

>I even saw Han Solo's death coming.
Congratulations, do you want a medal faggot?
Star Wars has always been a fairy tale in space.
You can predict fairy tales.
WELL DONE

>30 minutes dissecting a fan theory which was nothing but boring filler.
>George Lucas is bad, yes you've touched on this before
>The prequels were bad, yes you've touched on this before
>After spending $4 Billion on Lucasfilm, Plinkett reveals the shocking news that Disney will be pushing Star Wars a lot. Yawn, no fucking shit.
>15 minutes or so talking about TFA
>Scrapes the surface of TFA, no in depth analysis, no scene by scene breakdown like all his other reviews.
>For some reason ignores most of problem elements of TFA

He clearly didn't want to do the review clearly demonstrated by the 20% of the "review" actually talking about some of the points.

It is easily the worst plinkett "review"

He said Disney might've paid people to revise their views on the prequels just to drum up hype about Star Wars again.

That's a theory I've never heard anyone suggest.

>SJW faggot
Not really doing yourself favours on the whole being reasonable in your argu!emnt. Just call him a cuck and concede.

Yes and?

Too bad it's not about you.

But you DO hate Blade.

You said so yourself, the only thing that was good about it was the fact that they gave him a black love interest so he could "stick to his kind."

You even mentioned how glad you were when the "coal burner" from the second one ended up dead.

>h-he called me out!
>B-b-b-boogeyman!!!!

I said go back.

If he didn't want to make it, he shouldn't have made it.

Fans have been demanding Plinkett reviews of Matrix and tons of other movies and video games and what not. He didn't cave in there, and he shouldn't have caved in here.

>Everyone who likes TFA is an SJW
That's the problem.
Its simply wrong.

I think Finn and Rey should've kissed.

Mike's right, it's really weird that they didn't.

Well, he did.

When you want to make money and you're getting thousands of people demanding you do x, maybe you do x for the money.

Finn's hot for cock, why would he kiss a girl?

Oh I get it, no gays in muh Star Wars.

Grow up, kid.

This isn't your echo chamber.

You will never be able to silence anyone.

And don't think I didn't notice you removed your trip.

>Star Wars has always been a fairy tale in space.

Actually it's been a space opera, but nice attempt at being intelligent.

>You said so yourself,

Ohohoh, really? Please, quote me on that. I can wait.

>everyone

No, just you.

It's even weirder how Finn looks completely different from his initial character design. I mean, what happened?!?!?!!

Rey wanted Kylo.

He didn't make a Plinkett of The Force Awakens. He made "Mr. Plinkett's The Star Wars Awakens Review," which isn't the same thing.

As far as being forced to do it in all caps, nah. The fans have been demanding Plinkett reviews of everything and he's always just laughed it off. This was the review he wanted to make. It wasn't the review that I and some other people wanted, but I'm sure we'll get over it.

>And don't think I didn't notice you removed your trip.

lmao

You're only making it worse for yourself by not being silent, you look more and more like a retard. Mine was a friendly suggestion.

>muh echo chamber

>saying anyone who calls TFA shit an angry CIS white male

But you ARE all SJW's, you said it yourselves. "I hate white people and how the star in everything, it should all be black male leads!"

;)

I just did.

Wait over, you've been called out for being a racist on top of an attention-whoring tripfagging loser.

Don't add "triggered assrage" to that long line of embarrassing titles.

>not Rey x Luke

No, its a fairy tale in space.
Even Lucas admits he wrote it using the Monomyth.

Being able to predict a remake of ep 4, which was itself based on the monomyth isn't a big deal.

>Well, he did.
He sure did, user.

Gays are unnatural.

>and don't think I didn't notice you removed your trip

Strawman.

>You said it yourselves
Where?

Calm down there, SJW, we all know how you're secretly a misogynist who wants to "kill all women and rape their dead corpses."

And don't try to deny it, I just quoted you right there.

>I've seen non-shit films that are actually deep

Holy kek.

Genuine question.
Are you 14?

Right there!

Don't you see it? It's a direct quote! I mean, you didn't "actually" say it, but it was totally implied. Right?

This review made me realize that accuracy takes backseat in Plinkett reviews for me. I'd never want them to dip in quality, but I'm definitely there first and foremost to watch them tear apart whatever stupid shit they're watching. With all his points in mind, I think they could have had him freak out more about the bad stuff but whatever.

But they should. What's SJW about that?

>;)

You really need to return to reddit.

>not muh
Ok, Nazi.

Sorry, I'm just making up retarded arrogant horse shit and passing it off as the truth, seeing as we've all thrown logic and facts out the window because I offended your precious little sensibilities and proved your narrative about those who hate the film wrong.

Well at least you can be filtered.

>he's a troll

Wew, you had me for a minute there, nice bantz.

I've never seen anyone so triggered before.

I guess this is what happens when attention whoring and name whoring goes wrong.

No no no, you dumb user, it means you hate black people. Get with the times user, jeez, such an ignorant CIS white male./

>Caring this much about a fairy tale series about space wizards
>Convinced that said fairy tale is a cultural battleground and that if people like Rey it must mean the death of masculinity
OK.

You seem upset. Fortunately there's filtering.

";)"

That's my secret. I'm always triggered.

>ignored and filtered your post

feelsgudtbh

So get to it, friendo

It was good right until the 'sex' part. Fuck romantic subplots in movies. Every great movie doesn't have a romantic subplot

Are you really this upset at being called out?

Are you... are you literally crying right now?

Why are you feeding the troll?

Welcome to my Ignore List.

this. totally unnecessary

Spoken like a virgin. Or a fag.

He sees a namefag and just can't fucking resist the bait.

>Spoken like a virgin

t. virgin

Why are you?

>really this upset at being called out

Called out for what, you google? Not liking a movie because it's garbage-trash? Guilty.

>are you literally crying right now?

Nice reddit-tier exaggerated hyperbole response with the (pause) ellipsis right there, really adds to the meme sauce, but I'm actually sucking your mothers cock right now.

Put your trip back on. You're not fooling anyone.

kek, literally wasting time till my GF comes to pick me up.

But sure, whatever helps you feel better.

>being this insecure

Reservoir Dogs, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, Apocalypse Now, Pulp Fiction, Silence of the Lambs are so watchable because they don't have dumb romantic subplots

I've filtered the spastic.

The thing with the new Plinkett is that it's not about the new Star Wars, it's about Mike. You see, he's obviously having some sort of middle life crisis and made this video for an ego boost: "I invented the star wars reviews posted on youtube!" "TFA is a decent film because of MY contributions!" "millenials BTFO!" You will start to realize some lines in the video like "I AM the internet" may not have as many layers of irony as you thought.

It's the reason why a fat, balding man was the only one to point out the supposed lack of sex in the film, as he lacks sex himself (ED or Jesse simply doesn't want him physically anymore) and projected his crisis into the movie. Other youtube reviewers didn't notice this, because they can easily cum with their gfs or porn.

He is feeling old, and can't properly critize TFA because it makes him feel the same way he felt as he watched A New Hope for the very first time. He'll leave the movie alone but make fun of younger fans who are just having fun (like the guys in the convention), presenting them as obssesed fanboys, while the Ring Theory segment ironically exposes him as an obssesed nerd who has probably seen every Star Wars film 50 times or more.

He became George Lucas. He became Plinkett.

>Called out for what, you google?
>google

You need to go back.

Space Cop destroyed Mike and made him realize his dreams of Hollywood fame will never come true.

He wanted to be on John Waters level, or even Llyod Kaufman, but its not happening now.

He didn't go into the Mary Sue argument. Literally the biggest flaw of the movie. He's just a fanboy like all Star Wars nerds

>No romantic subplot
>Reservoir Dogs
I bet you think the "torture" scene is just torture.

Romantic sub plots can come in handy when handled with actual weight, or when made entertaining, like in Grosse Pointe Blank.

There is no romantic sub plot in TFA. Finn is probably gay, like Plinket said.

nice points but you should mention that it is a copypaste

They all would've been better with romance. FMJ would've been better with a gook bitch rape scene and SotL would've been better with Hannibal fucking Clarice.

I'm not that user, user.

No he isn't.

Why do straight black men frighten you so?

I should be asking why straight white males make you feel so insecure that they need to be replaced by black men.

Because it's 2016.

Finn's actor was an understudy?
That's news to me.

A white man will be president of the United States next year for the next eight years.

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guys, please stop giving attention to that tripfag
just ignore him and he will go away

Have a juice box and sit down.

>if I ignore the man that proves me wrong, I win!

Ahhh, you must've had a master sensei. Did you study under the Grand Magus Trudeau?

Doesn't seem likely teebeehaych.
Even if that orange meme wins, he won't stay in power a week.

I should be asking why straight black males make you feel so insecure that they need to be replaced by white men.

No.

This was a shit thread and it deserves a shitty tripfag.

Episode 2 is not that shit, people hated it because of too much romantic scenes between Padme and Anakin and because the general opinion is that it has bad timing

But for me is at the same level as Episode 1

youtube.com/watch?v=dVcW11GoBD0

Get used to saying "President Trump."

I'd be very happy with the romantic scenes.

They were essential to the story of Anakin's fall and the Birth of Luke and Leia.

The problem isn't how many scenes there were.
The problem was they were so badly fucking written and acted.

Should I just take yours, or should I ask your mom for my own?

Like I say, even if he wins, he'll be empeached with lead.

President Pence will take over.

>he'll be empeached with lead

That's a threat, and I can re-pot you for it ;)

Episode II had some good stuff in it and some bad stuff in it, same with all the movies in the series.

With the originals, people focus on the good because nostalgia. With the prequels, people focus on the bad because expectations were high.

I must be the only one who liked almost everything about Episode 2.

The only things that really bugged me were (1) Lucas thinking Anakin needed to act like a spoiled brat who murders women and children and (2) that scene where Jango shows up with the poison dart and the Jedi don't chase after him.

I can sort of suspend my belief for the rest.

Hail to the Chief, sugar tits.

Nope, its a prediction.

"I will kill Trump" is a threat.

"Someone in power will have him ended" is a prediction.

For a week. Tops.

yeah I agree on that, some dialogues were pretty teenager high school shit and Hayden Christensen is not a good actor, the only thing he does well is his no verbal expresions, his lookings and gestures... but his tone speaking is very very disappointment

Like this scene
youtube.com/watch?v=_hoXNXSpmng

>With the originals, people focus on the good because nostalgia.
this

there is plenty of stupid things in the originals and no body magnify them llike with the prequels

The Five Stages of Loss

1. Denial: "Trump will never be president!"
2. Anger: "I can't believe IDIOTS are voting for Trump and going to make him president FUCK I HATE AMERICA!"
3. Bargaining: "Trump will be president but it won't last for more than a few weeks rite guise?"
4. Depression: "I can't stop crying about this election."
5. Acceptance: "Trump is president."

You're at stage 3. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and I hope you make it through this rough time.

>(1) Lucas thinking Anakin needed to act like a spoiled brat who murders women and children
I think that was a good idea to show that he is beyond redeption now, that he is totally controlled by the dark side

it also gives more reality to the movie, more serious and rough

And you are at stage one

Half in the Fag is shit too.

With the one important caveat that until such time as the election is over the exact same argument could be made of you, replacing Trump with Hillary.

We'll just have to see who loses, won't we?

yeah, i never got why people watched it in the first place
I was only there for Plinkett review and now its shit aswell

not him but 538 is a liberal website. Look at the creator, who has also been wrong about *everything* this election

I don't care who wins, I'm just busting your chops because Trump will win and blast your ass.

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I don't think you know how these things work. He's not basing his projections on opinions, he's basing them on polling data. During that brief stint when Trump was ahead, his projections reflected that as well.

His final projections for the 2012 presidential were accurate down to every state, his projections for 2008 were off by one state, because polling data actually indicated Indiana would stay red, but it ended up going blue.

But I guess mathematics have a liberal bias now.

Numbers can be skewed to project any story you want to tell, and he wants to tell a liberal story, so it's hardly any surprise that his numbers are skewed to tell a liberal story, and that they told a liberal story in the past.

>he was right about the last 2 elections

It was plainly fucking obvious Obama was going to win both those.

ITS SHIT BECAUSE it wasn't NEAR as good as Phantom Menace

That doesn't explain the consistent accuracy of his predictions.

It wasn't that he predicted Obama would win, it was that he was able to predict how states would swing more accurately than any other polling aggregate and analysis available.

Republicans ignored him both times to their own detriment. They were told by Yes men that Romney was sure to win and said the same thing they always say when 538 data was saying otherwise, they buried their heads in the sand and said it was liberal bias.

And then they shocked and outraged when Obama won again.

Just like it's plainly fucking obvious Hillary is going to win this election.

>I don't care who wins
Your actions seems contrary to that.
>Trump will win
Not that you care.
But no, he won't.

And even if by some miracle he did, and I mean literal divine intervention, he won't stat in power long.

Presidents have been killed for the good of those in power before. It can happen again.

>the consistent accuracy of his predictions
He doesn't have a large enough record of predictions to have "consistent accuracy."

>Your actions seems contrary to that.
What are my actions? I'm saying "Trump will win" because 1) it's the truth and 2) this truth upsets you and I'm kind of enjoying making you upset with the truth. Neither of these say "I care who becomes president."

But you're basically accusing him of liberal bias based on nothing.

Unless you think reality has an inherent liberal bias, then that's kind of your problem.

For my part as a moderate conservative, I don't see that bias. It's just not there to me.

>it's the truth
According to what proof?
Kek?

>based on nothing
The man has liberal bias and doesn't even attempt to hide it. Keep in mind, I'm not lambasting the dude for having liberal beliefs (I'm a liberal myself), and he's done the right thing by wearing them on his sleeves.

What I am lambasting is you spewing bullshit like "the numbers don't lie" when a person can make the numbers say what they want them to say.

But what he "wanted them to say" matched with reality.

A whole twice.

Mike was trying to be poetic. After a long break, the long-awaited fourth chapter of the Plinkett Star Wars review has been released.. And it's in HD, it's lazy, Plinkett doesn't even get out of his chair, it's muddy and aimless, and it receives a very mixed reaction.

He succeeded in his commitment of pure pottery. Reviewkino.

You mean over tjhe course of two elections.
With data corresponding to the outcomes in each state in both occasions.
Saying "just twice" is disingenuous and an obvious sign of your own Bias. And you know it.

According to reality.

I don't really see it bleeding into his analysis even if that's true though, I just think we tend to have knee-jerk reactions to people pointing out what does or doesn't seem to be affecting the polls.

For example, 538 correctly pointed out that Trump's 2005 comments about women haven't really upset his polling data with Republican women who count themselves among the party faithful, but they also correctly point out that it has seemed to have hurt his chances among independents and women in swing states based on the latest results.

That's not bias, that's just what the data showed. You can argue it's all trying to fit a "narrative" but unless you can show me someone with more accurate results, I don't think this is someone you want to write off just because you have a bone to pick.

Interesting. Have ypunhad your mental illness diagnosed?
Because here in reality the election results are not in. But the poll data and your reality don't seem to match.

He didn't predict the outcomes of two elections, because the elections are more than just the president.

He was right about Obama (a candidate he wanted to win) being elected a whole two times. That's not really impressive, dude.

>poll data
See, you're not operating in reality. That's your problem.

Wow, it's like ypou didn't even read the post that started all this.
Across two elections, one state in error.

Again, "a whole two times" is a misrepresentation of facts. Exactly the kind you seem to be wary of.

The best question is: Why does everything that were good keep getting worse and worse

Show me your data. I'll wait.

You might want to actually do your research before talking about things you know nothing about. Their stats aren't limited to presidential elections, they've also been covering primaries, mid-terms and even sports -- all with an over 90% accuracy rating, which is far higher than most polling sites.

You not liking them doesn't make them wrong or unproven.

Juvenoia.

It sounds like you want to trust this man who is saying things he wants to be true because you also want them to be true. It's fine to believe things that make you feel good, but it's not really cool to promote things that aren't facts as facts, because you'll have people like me point out that you're spewing bullshit (because I have a bone to pick with bullshitters).

You're just saying "he was right twice" in a different way to make it seem like your prophet has magical powers.

>You're just saying "he was right twice" in a different way
I'm really not. I'm sorry you can't understand.

>they predict sports
>clearly, they know who will become president

Not him, I'm the first one you replied to. I only mention the two presidentials because they're the most relevant to the current situation. He's been covering far more than presidential elections, even now he's concurrently following House and Senate races.

You really are.

Sorry, but I'm just not buying into the prophecy.

Seems like you're feigning ignorance on purpose.

Could you perhaps be trolling? It's okay, we've all done it.

>Focuses on sports
>Ignores "with an over 90% accuracy rating"

I bet you believe Hillary is the Antichrist with 666 on her tits.

OK, you want to ignore proven math that's your choice I guess.
Hmmm, this

Only a troll wouldn't blindly believe in your messiah, eh?

90% of all statistics said online are made up, so I kind of have a reason to ignore it.

>proven math
Prove it.

PROTIP: "He was right before" doesn't prove he'll be right this time.

Seems like you're downplaying what goes into actually predicting a presidential election state-by-state to fit your own narrative instead of incorporating the information into your existing pool of knowledge like most rational people would do.

Accurately projecting which swing states will flip and how isn't exactly a one-trick pony. If you want to stick your head in the sand, that's fine. Just don't cry "rigged" when things don't go your way again.

(didn't mean to quote )

>rational people
Blindly believing the word of a messiah isn't rational, friend.

Tell that to Trump supporters.

Mike didn't want it to be good enough to make people want another Plinkett.

Plus, can't be himself because he might lose shekels.

I do.

That' has nothing to do with OP's statement
oh and you're wrong too

>he was a retard on purpose
No.

I don't "blindly believe" anything, I interpret the knowledge others impart based on what I know and weigh it accordingly. You know, like I'm sure you do except when it comes to people who don't think like you.

>star wars has nothing to do with star wars
huh?

a review of one film has nothing to do with your opinion on the other 6 films

You're blindly believing the predictions of the outcomes of future events because "the guy was right before."

That's foolish.

Uh no, when did I say I blindly believe him?

Please quote the post.

The review is about Star Wars as a whole. It most certainly is not about one film.

Also, there's more than 7 Star Wars movies.

oh my god this denial
I get that the media is against the right (and find it annoying personally), but when they start saying polls (whose entire fucking point is to be objective) are skewed, they're relaly in damage control.

>but the media controls the polls
don't even respond to me if this i syour arguement

also what does any of this have to do with starwars

Quote the post where I say you said you blindly believe him.

You mean as oppose to people like you who've never been right?

I flipped a coin a couple times and correctly predicted the outcome of each flip therefore I am a Future Man and when I say "Ken Bone will be president" it's the indisputable truth.

This one:
So you're just going to keep lying and hope no one can scroll up?

That post doesn't say "you said you blindly believe him."

chewie

we're home

it is so cute watching plebians try to discuss math

>polls (whose entire fucking point is to be objective)
lel. Polls are intended to influence public opinion, not measure it.

What polling data did you use to make that prediction? And how many presidential elections did you predict down to the last state? None?

Seems like bullshit then.

This seems like mental gymnastics and yet fairly reasonable

wow it's only 11am and i think i already read the hottest opinion of the day
congrats user

>implying we aren't in The Bone Zone

So you admit you based your opinion on nothing.

If only Obama wasn't so good at making polls influence the GOP voter base, huh? Who knew would-be Republican voters were so easily swayed?

I didn't base my analysis on you saying you blindly believe him because you didn't say those exact words, nor did I ever claim you said those exact words.

So again, you based it on literally nothing.

I like that you saw another user comment on that post saying it was good and it upset you so that you decided you, too, would reply, only this time saying it was not good.

>"if you didn't base it on words i didn't say, then you based it on nothing because there's no other options"
That's pretty flawed logic.

What are you even talking about?

Are you autistic? Is this what autism looks like?

>You lived to see Cred Forums turn on Redditlettermedia

>bases something on nothing
>says it's flawed when someone points that out

Mmm.

I'm a high functioning autistic.

The crushing flaw in that scene is that Obi-Wan doesn't look like he's trying to block the shots. It's like they just told him to walk forward and swing his sword and didn't tell him he was blocking shots. One of Jango's shots misses him by about a foot and hits his lightsaber, which he isn't holding directly in front of himself.

>bases something on nothing
According to you, which is based on your logic that I could only base it on one thing, which is flawed because it ignores that there are other ways that I could come to the same conclusion without you blatantly saying it.

Using your logic, the only way you could prove a murderer killed someone is if the murderer said "I killed that person." That's childishly foolish.

Many howtobasic videos have like/dislike ratios like this as well.

>continues to base something on nothing

Your logic is flawed.

Looks like he trying to block the shots to me.

>nitpicks the prequels to hell and back over minor shit
>gives TFA free pass

this is fine

Rewatching the prequel reviews, I have to wonder if Lucas fucked Mike in the ass. There are so many ass pull "flaws" he argues with. He just wanted to shit on the movies because they weren't 1:1 replica of the OT. And then Disney came and give him just that and now he's all over their dicks with his nostalgiafagging asshole.

>repeats himself despite having been debunked

The thing you said but at you instead of me.

>debunks himself again

That thing you said.

You might be blind.

>greentext

Not greentext.

He did a commentary track on ANH. It's great

>>

The prequels were fine. They weren't perfect but atleast they were something of their own. The jews at Disney have turned his stories into simple focus-tested "stories" made by a committee of suits. He atleast tried to tell stories. And this is what got him fried. In the age of adult babies, nobody can tolerate risk or failure. People want the same. The same safe shit from when they were kids. Well Disney gave you just that. And then some modern SJW shit aswell to cover itself on all fronts.

You think you're watching Star Wars. But you're watching a corpse, covered with the skin of Star Wars. The prequels were actual Star Wars.

The first shot he does, but the second shot he blocks literally misses him by a foot and it looks like it just happens to hit his lightsaber, then he appears to make an offensive swing at Jango even though he's still 15 feet away. Then the camera cuts and he's instantly 10 feet closer, and even though he's still too far away to hit him he makes yet another offensive swing. If you pay attention to this shit it's retarded.

I thought it was mental gymnastics too, but upon re-watching it the comparison was so sensible that I have to assume Mike was at least partially memeing on purpose with this review.

Really? I saw the commentary track he did on TPM and didn't really care for it, so I gave the ANH one a skip.

Gonna give it a watch when I have some free time.

You might need to watch the scene and pay close attention. It will also help to let go of your nostalgia for a minute.

...

This scene alone is better than anything disney will ever produce

Anyone who isn't able to appreciate the prequels or george lucas as an artist simply isn't a fan of star wars or original sci fi films in general.

The Darth Maul scenes were tighter than any shit in The Focus-tests Awakens. And that was a movie supposedly everyone hated.

I'd say TFA isn't worth a first viewing, don't know why honestly they were taken in by it

This. The prequels had some bomb ass iconic scenes.

>mfw this scene as a kid

Watching Qui-Gon's final moments against Maul is legitimately tense and watching Obi-Wan unleash on his ass afterward is so satisfying in more ways than one.

Gotta disagree with your interpretation of the scene.

From my point of view, the second shot seems like it would have hit his head (best case scenario: it would have grazed his cheek) if he hadn't blocked. He gets close, swings, but Jango rockets. By the time it cuts, Jango was already in the air and out of the shot, so logically he would be further away in the next shot. The only error there is that he seems too low in the next shot, but other than that one small nitpick (that only lasts for less than a second), the scene is fine.

...

>the second shot would have hit his head
No it wouldn't have. It missed and Obi-Wan went out of his way to deflect it (not that it looks like he was trying to block it).

>By the time it cuts, Jango was already in the air

Right before the cut

I just frame by framed my copy. Looks good to me.

And right after the cut.

Now, I'm not saying the scene is shit because of this, but it's (the fact that Obi doesn't look like he's trying to block some of these shots) a glaring error in direction.

It didn't reinforce your opinions

>(the fact that Obi doesn't look like he's trying to block some of these shots
This just isn't true though.
I have a copy of the film going in mpc and did a frame by frame.

Then you are quite literally retarded. Look how far from his head this shot is. This is after it bounced off the lightsaber obviously.

>had more original ideas than anything in the Force Awakens.

fucking kek. Know about what you're talking about dipshit.

Will Cred Forums ever get BTFO as hard as they did over TFA?

>It missed
Because Obi blocks it. Had he not, it would have hit his head.

>Right before the cut
That's not the part I'm talking about at all.

kill urself

I'm literally watching it right now, my man. You are blind.

samefag

>People generally agree AotC is the shittest
Only on Cred Forums

does anyone really give a fuck besides people who are always looking for an excuse to hate the prequels because it's the cool thing to do?

keep in mind george lucas' star wars is an independent, self funded project, ever since the 70s. the fact that he changed the landscape of hollywood so drastically with his own wallet and independent group of talent in a small warehouse is something that is, simply put, underrated.

>Because Obi blocks it
seeThe arrow is pointing directly at the spot that shot landed. That's a good 6 or 7 inches away from his head. You literally can't argue with photographic evidence.

>That's not the part I'm talking about

I know. That's the part I was talking about. You misunderstood so I posted those screenshots.

The red dot is where the shot hit. Look how far it is away from his head.

>Look how far it is away from his head.
>hits saber
>bounces away

It's really that simple, mr. autist.

You've posted a picture of after he's blocked it.

Post a picture of the laser before he blocks it, as it's heading towards him.

>That's the part I was talking about.
But that's not the part I was talking about in the portion you quoted. I don't know why you'd quote that and not the part where I did talk about it:

>He gets close, swings

is where I bring it up. I don't know why you quoted the wrong thing other than that you read it wrong.

>didn't address keypoints eg; Is Rey a Mary Sue
Thats only a "keypoint" to know nothing memesters that don't understand how fantasy adventure storytelling works. The people that parrot the Mary Sue shit are mainly just highlighting how little they don't understand about what movies are, and how likely they are to repeat meaningless complaints without critical thinking.

If you actually need someone to answer the question to "Is Rey a Mary Sue?" The answer is "kinda, but A: there is no standard agreed-upon definition, B: most fantasy protagonists could be considered Mary Sues, as its a part of the appeal of the genre, C: the term and complaint has been hijacked by anti-SJW SJWs as a way to complain about the protagonist being a female without having to say it.

And?

>you will remove these restraints
>does

ebin movie JJ

Gonna be straight with you: if you freeze frame fight scenes, usually, there's a lot of shit that doesn't make sense like this in them, because they aren't real fights, and these scenes aren't meant to be freeze framed.

While I can see what you're saying, I think your criticisms are flawed because, when put into motion, it looks fine.

Not an argument. Try again.

You can see the red dot yes? If so, there shouldn't be any confusion here.

>But that's not the part I was talking about

Because you were talking about the wrong part. I never had any issue with the part you were talking about so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. I was addressing a particular part, you misunderstood which part I was addressing, then I clarified and for some reason you go back to talking about the wrong part.

>If so, there shouldn't be any confusion here.
Not him, but i'm still very confused as to what the screenshot even means.

>crazily powered The One character and protagonist of a Star Wars trilogy
>has Jedi powers

>They won't look right because they aren't real fight scenes

In your example what you're saying makes sense because of course Mark Hamill can't just actually kick a guy in the face but there's literally no danger in setting CGI blaster bolts directly at a character so it actually looks like they were trying to block it.

sick of star wars and rlm

The red dot is the exact spot the bolt hit. This can't be refuted. It's simple geometry. You can see the bolt in it's post bounce trajectory.

>If so, there shouldn't be any confusion here.
Again, post before the laser hits, not after when he's already moved his lightsaber.

>Because you were talking about the wrong part.
I was talking about the entire scene as posted in minus the part where Baby Boba is like "look a Jedi" so, no, I'm not talking about "the wrong part."

You did quote the wrong part for your reply, however.

You are mistaken.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

>setting CGI blaster bolts directly at a character
they do though

Doesn't this scene really show how useless the lightsabre is? Okay, so he blocked some shots, but he couldn't attack - if he had a ranged weapon he could have shot the guy with it, but instead Jango got away.

It wasn't shit but sorta tedious to sit through the first ten or fifteen minutes in which he spent rambling on about that obscure ring theory thing. I share his bleak outlook on Star Wars as a franchise though: I'm pretty sure that, while "Rogue One" might still be fun, starting with the first Han Solo movie, the franchise will begin another slow descent into "man, I can't stand this Star Wars shit anymore", just as it did back when "Attack of the Clones" was released and they had to milk the entire clone wars story arc until there was nothing left but shit.

Why are you posting with a tripcode? Is your name important in this disucssion?

Wrong. In both cases, a real fight isn't happening. Mark Hamill can't kick a man in the face for real, and they can't really shoot lasers at a dude. So they have to fake it. So it's going to look fake when you bring up your magnifying glass and freeze frame it.

Good thing the movies are meant to be watched frame by frame but rather at normal speed, where they look absolutely fine.

Drop the autism.

Jedi are not supposed to be aggressive, so they use defensive weapons.

Plus, Jango is a good shot. No lightsaber=dead Obi

It was more akin to
1. Prequels were shit, not enough bbc
2. TFA was not as shit; at least had bbc
3. TFA however, does not hold up to a second viewing; due to nobody getting blacked

Why are you replying to someone who has left the thread?

The red dot is where the bolt hit. You can read yes?

>they do though

You mean how that bolt missed Obi's head by more than 6 inches?

Ok dude. See where that arrow is pointing? That's the sentence where I address the part I was actually talking about, where Obi is instantly 10 feet closer to Jango as the camera cuts.

>1. Prequels were shit, not enough bbc
Huge slam on Samuel L. Jackson and the size of his dick.

But true: the man is hung like a baby.

>The red dot is where the bolt hit. You can read yes?
And?
What the fuck are you talking about.

That's not what you quoted.

You quoted the wrong section, and then replied in such a way as to make it seem like I was saying something else. I don't appreciated being misrepresented. I don't appreciate your dishonesty.

Cut the bullshit.

>Mark can't kick a man in the face for real

Why is this being brought up after I confirmed this?

>They can't really shoot lasers

Wow, so do you not understand that the CGI dudes can make that blaster shot go anywhere they want it to?

>most fantasy protagonists could be considered Mary Sues, as its a part of the appeal of the genre
Not really, the appeal of the genre is seeing the people grow in to becoming heroes.
You see them grow to become heroes in most fantasy, they'll typically start small and then grow to be big through the movie, ie/ Conan, Luke, the guy from Krull, Willow, Bilbo, Frodo, MC of Labyrinth, MC of The Dark Crystal, Wesley in The Princess Bride, and I'm sure there's 100s more examples.

>cgi is magic

He wanted to stop Jango from leaving but couldn't because he brought a sword to a gunfight.

CGI does not make lasers actually shoot at someone in real life. In other words, "they can't really shoot lasers."

He wanted to capture him. Blasters are for killing.

I'm saying the bolt missed him so badly that he didn't need to go out of his way to block it. The least they could have done is set that bolt to go right at his head so it would make sense that he blocked it.

That's not what I quoted? What are you talking about?

Yeah, it's funny how they add that bolt in in post, but it has a mind of it's own and goes where it wants.

>they can't really shoot lasers

Ok? I'm not sure how that's at all relevant to what I'm talking about here.

>I'm saying the bolt missed him so badly
No?
Do you only see in 2D?

His attempts at capture didn't work because he couldn't threaten Jango, if he had a blaster he could threaten to kill him, which is the same threat he'd use with a lightsaber to get Jango to comply.

Really though, the scene was dumb in that it was an excuse for Obi wan to wave a lightsabre around, he should have disabled his engines with the force or something smart instread. But no, you've got Obi wan "this weapon is your life" Kenobi wave his more civilised weapon around helplessly while his enemy leaves unthreatened and unharmed, simply because in this movie the Jedi are anachronistically sticking with the light saber over using their brains.

Aww. Does babbie have a sensitive pussy?

Do you need to look at the red dot picture again?

They can't kick a man in the face and they can't shoot lasers at a man.

Actually, even that isn't entirely true. He could get a kick to the face. The laser thing isn't possibly with current science, at least not the way they want it to look.

But fact is, if they can't do it, they have to fake it, and if they fake it, you'll be able to figure out the fake if you put the scene under a magnifying glass and look for the proof it's fake, especially if you already know it's fake.

Thing is, movies are meant to be watched like that, and you need to relax and quit nitpicking every little thing, because that isn't criticism. That's just being a pedantic dick.

>an excuse for Obi wan to wave a lightsabre around
>an exuse

Prequel haters continue to misrepresent the movies.
The Jedi always have lightsabers with them.
It would be odd if he didn't have it.

>be wrong
>get called out on bullshit
>call the other person a pussy
Oooh internet tough guy here.

>Do you need to look at the red dot picture again?
What about it is proving anything?

I'm not arguing that blaster shots aren't fake. I'm saying the least the CGI team could have done is make the bolt head directly for Obi's head so it makes sense that he would block it. You know how CGI dudes can do that? They add the effects in during post, and they can add in whatever they want and make it go wherever they want.

>implying that was me

is me. Now what is this about me quoting something wrong?

>Jango missed

There, soothed your autism.

Here. Look at it again. The red dot is exactly where the bolt hit. It didn't come close enough to Obi's head for him to bother blocking it. It literally looks like Jango shot right at his lightsaber on purpose because Obi was holding it over to the side at the moment it hit.

>the most badass bounty hunter in the whole galaxy missed a shot from 20 feet away

>and they can add in whatever they want and make it go wherever they want
They really can't, though. They have footage that's been shot months ago and do their best with it.

And honestly, the CGI team here did do its best with the footage they had, and it looks fine when you aren't slowing it down to look for things to nitpick.

Calm down and have a juice box.

>Not really, the appeal of the genre is seeing the people grow in to becoming heroes.
>You see them grow to become heroes in most fantasy, they'll typically start small and then grow to be big through the movie
oh so like how an orphaned junker on a desert planet, or a moisure farmer on a desert planet, or a child slave/nascar driver on a desert planet, who are forced into an extraordinary situation and eventually learn how to harness their innate powers to overcome all odds and defeat a military superpower?
>and I'm sure there's 100s more examples.
Yeah. Rey. In Force Awakens. What's your point? And hold on.
>Conan,
Are you serious? That's your go-to? He was literally played by Mr. Universe. The most shredded up person in the world at that time. Are you serious?
>Wesley in The Princess Bride
An in-movie parody of the fantasy adventure protagonist, and cartoonish Mary Sue or Gary Stu or whatever. You cant get over Rey figuring out how to Jedi mind trick in 2 tries, while saying she should be more like the guy who just happened to have been been gradually building a poison tolerance for years?
>Willow, Bilbo, Frodo
Protagonists don't HAVE to be dwarves m8.

>the most badass bounty hunter in the whole galaxy
Source?

>phone poster
>his response refutes nothing and adds nothing to the dialogue
Hiro please ban phonechildren.

You just told me the CGI team doesn't have the ability to move that CGI blaster bolt an inch to the right. Think about that for a second.

You missed my point worse than Jango missed that shot.

In this case, they had three options:

1) Reshoots. Costs a lot of money and time. Might not work.

2) Try to digitally alter how Kenobi is holding the lightsaber. Costs a lot of money and time. Might not work.

3) Use the footage as it was and not really care because it's not something you'll really notice until you're freeze framing to find errors (and even then, it's not that easy to notice). This is what they did, and honestly, it was for the best.

>phone poster
Do you not understand how computers work friend? Do you like my pumpkin carving design?
>his response refutes nothing and adds nothing to the dialogue
kek and what did you just do other than incorrectly act like a retard about phones?

>they move the CGI blaster bolt an inch to the right
>now it doesn't connect with kenobi's lightsaber at all and instead hits kenobi

So it's an issue with Lucas' direction. IMAGINE THAT. Alright, but it's still a flaw in the action that I notice every time whether I'm examining every frame or not.

No wait. All they had to do was have the bolts hit where he actually looks like he's blocking shit. lmao

It's a flaw in them not being able to actually shoot lasers at a human being in real life. This flaw is inherit in every fight scene: they can't actually punch or kick people, so they just make it look as best as they can.

Looks fine unless you freeze frame it.

>looks fine unless you freeze frame it

Then why did I notice Obi's nonsensical movements when I watched it regularly?

You freeze framed it and looked for fakery in a fake fight, and found what you were looking for.

Nope. Read my last post again, then try again.

It's definitive proof Kenobi didn't fight Jango and the Star Wars didn't really happen.

It's the moon landing all over again.

You lied in your last post. What of it?

Wrong. Try again.

No, I'm right. You lied. It's clear in this thread that you freeze framed.

Wrong. I noticed there was something fucked up beforehand, which is the entire reason I freeze framed it in the first place. Try again. You're getting closer.

You both have personality disorders.

>I freeze framed
You sure did.

I have autism. The other guy is some kind of pathological liar.

This was never unclear, but you're getting closer. Try again.

I have never lied in this thread. Try again.