Does anyone else enjoy films with young, sexually libertine girls, or is it just me, Cred Forums?

dumb bitch ruined her book

she was supposed to be 12 in the book, not 20.

that politically correct casting completely misses the core of the matter. kubrick version's is even worse.

I usually love Kubrick, but man was this version superior.

Check out the Lolita audiobook read by Jeremy Irons if you like this one, it's amazing.

>Extremely underrated post.

Swain was only 14 years old when filming the 1997 version.

The problem like the same for Sue lyon is that shes older then she looks.

Also Nabokov said himself Lolita could never get a true adaption because of the nature of the novel.

Well they can't make actual sex scenes involving 12 year olds.

Why not? They do it all the time behind the scenes.

lol, in all reality tho, they can just omit or just imply the actual sex scene but keep the softcore stuff.

Don't bother. lo was 14 for most of the book if I recall right, but you're most likely arguing with a pedo who wants to see a hot preteeteen.

She looks like Dylan Klebold

In this day of age I really don't think even softcore stuff would be allowed in a true adaption of Lolita.

Though I read that there was a play-adaption of Lolita that cast a actual 12 year old girl, but it got a lot of bad reviews because it had the same problems the Kubrick version did.

Yeah, aint that the unfortunate truth.

What we need is an absolute madman who doesn't give any fucks.

Russian Lolita is best Lolita kino

youtube.com/watch?v=CTbSCgrYOsw

man that guy is one hell of an actor, really took one for the team making out with a teenager like that for the movie. Since we all know it isn't normal to be attracted to teenagers it must have been a traumatizing experience for him, holding back vomit while she tongues his mouth and grinds on him. Poor fella

She was 12 when he met her, she was 17 by the end of the book.

Yeah, just...

...imagine

And preggers due to that fuck Quilty.

Felt good when Humbert killed him.

Felt gross when I saw his dick...

irons is actually quite redpilled in the pedophilia subject. but yeah, he risked being blacklisted probably.

Yes, I bet it was quite the suffering experience for Irons when kissing Swain.

>Irons is actually quite redpilled in the pedophilia subject

Elaborate.

He also reads the Lolita audio book. Quite comfy experience to hear him while you read the beautiful prose.

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youtube.com/watch?v=QzM6K_0hjaY

eww yeah when it's just flopping around while he runs? made me feel sick

Gods, when she raises her eyebrows as she pops out her retainer...

I'll be in my bunk.

>he risked being blacklisted probably.
>for sharing the same fetish of 90% of Hollywood

Nah, he probably got invited to some crazy parties at Polanski's because of it.

Jeremy Irons is truly a magical man.

am i going to jail now??

>mfw the same director made Jacob's Ladder

>Shuh-shuh-shuh-she was supposed to be twuh-twelve

I understand I might be being trolled, but what the hell. Let's do this.

Many paedophiles do not understand what it means to be a compassionate, worrying parent and a protector of others. They may never know how it feels to raise a child, to love it, to fear that child being taken away from them unjustly. They do not know the discipline and control needed to educate that child, to teach them right from wrong, to instill a sense of morals and ethics. They will not know the joys of something as simple as a smile, or an A+ on their child's report card, or their child proudly displaying their first car.

Thus, many paedophiles cannot be reasoned with. They know only their selfish, sexual gratification. Instead, revel in the knowledge that what you're reading, is the truth.

To any person who defends paedophilia, I respect your right to free-speech and the right to argue what you believe are "merits" of said-practice on a forum board.

Know this, however. Were I to meet you on the street and it was conclusive that you were a paedophile who had offended in some manner, shape or form, I would shoot you. I would shoot 50 of you. It's just a fact. I harbour no hatred toward you, just the knowledge that your demise would help create a safer society for our children to explore their innocence and sexuality among themselves.

Know that I am far from a "crazed, lone wacko" in this opinion. Multitudes of rational people would do exactly the same. Live in fear, or seek help. Adapt or perish. Your choice.

That cock sucker?

>"WATCH IT PEDO"

bingo

(actually a "nymphet" is supposed to be 9 according to Nabokov, but it was changed to 12 by publisher fiat, IIRC)

Nice copypasta faggo. Here's your (you).

>captcha: oldes preschool

He also did Foxes (1980) too.

Lyne is a decent director desu.

Why would any parents allow their child to be in a film like Lolita? Knowing that old men are going to perve over her

holy shit king arthur, did you just pull the sword out of the stone 10 seconds ago? you are doing some next level anonymous white knighting(and most likely projecting).

anyway last i checked this thread is talking about a movie about a teenager, so take a deep breath and look up what that word you just threw around means. maybe smoke a joint or something god damn

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You're confusing paedophiles with sexual predators a little. Would you shoot a paedophile who never did nothing against a child? That's plain wrong.

They have a forum where you can discuss the matter if you want:

virped.org/

Alright... absolutely FUCK OFF.

Hebephillia okay I can understand that BUT when you actually do find any younger child "attractive" then there is something seriously wrong with you.

>I would shoot 50 of you
Look out guys, we've got a real badass here

>replying to pasta
>in 2016

GET OUT. And don't come back... until you've REDEEMED YOURSELVES.

Not only that, you'd never know that somebody is a pedophile unless they explicitly told you or heavily implied it.

Literally anybody can be one. It could be anybody from your brother to your best friend to even your comrade who saved your life in 'nam. There is no way to know and the ones who keep quiet about it (and aren't 200% obvious turbo-sperg) are quite often the least harmless. They have self awareness and moral understanding.

The psychology behind a (violent) child molester and a typical pedophile are worlds apart, yet they're grouped all in the same camp.

MURDERUH! PERVAHT!

>A Blues Brothers reference
NEAT

I regret nothing

What if you find skinny women attractive?

I am referring to someone who finds 20 - 25 year old skinny women with medium breast size or so.

Because I remember reading on a thread how one user was like "I hate the idea of banging a skinny female because she reminds me of someone underage".

Well that's just called "being healthy and normal"

welp from what I remember, the main character from the Lolita book had something go wrong with the love of his life when he was a young teenager and thus ever since then he can only bond with girls who are the age of the girl who he fell in love with when he was a young teen.

So yeah it all comes down to the psychology of why some are attracted to specific ages or have specific fetishes.

Someone could develop a fetish mainly for MILFS because they had an attractive female teacher in school for example.

Actually if you notice Sue Lyon and Dominique Swain had pretty much bad careers after Lolita.

I think I can testament to this. My first crush was in 6th grade and I obsessed over her for all of middle school, and was heavily attracted to her all through HS. Nothing ever happened between us because I was a loser, however it left a deep impact on my psychology and explains why I like girls like her. She was like ultra cute and bubbly.

I fucking hate myself man. It's hard to live like this.

>Well that's just called "being healthy and normal"
I agree yet some people like my friend prefer chubbier fattish women and I cannot understand the reasoning to that at all.

Pic related is a 10/10 to me yet my friend would consider her "too skinny".

The hell is wrong with him...

The other day we were walking down street and he said to me "man look at that" yet the women who he was pointing out was practically chubby fat. the feck.

how she gonna read that book, its completely drenched.

Yeah, you're clearly displacing something there. Be honest with yourself.

Well, this is where the adage "different' strokes for different folks" comes from.

It's just merely preference.

>I don't like something

What an autistic post

Sue Lyon did a John Ford film after it, that's not bad.

>he doesn't appreciate THICCness

low test faggot

Are you an anti social who finds it hard to connect with people?

Watched yesterday. It's fucking insane.

Also, all the old woman fucking is painful.

Swain does a shitload of movies though, she just doesn't get lead roles.

From what I believe, this is all a fetish. If you do find yourself attracted to something illegal like this then you should try and incorporate some other fetish into your mind to get away from this so it doesn't play on your mind.

Or develop a hobby to stay clear from this. Seriously: it is highly dangerous to even admit that you find someone under 18 attractive to ANYONE.

The law is how the law is and thus you should never try to play games with it.

Not even Jesus pleased us all.

Only with females (children especially, given I've almost never interacted with them on any meaningful level). But with guy's, I'm extremely social when the time calls for it. I'm great with the banter and we can relate on many things, easy to talk to.

I just can't talk with females though. I can talk to them professionally, like at work, but I can't talk to them intimately. My fear of rejection is even greater than it was in HS, thanks to a little mishap there. My fear of rejection is 10x stronger than my desire to be with a female it seems.

The problem with the 1997 movie is that it's too serious. It's not funny. The book is really funny.

She deserve more then B movies with Eric Roberts.

well you believe wrong friendo. teenagers are in their prime for breeding, and men are hard wired to find them attractive. you aren't wrong that you should avoid banging them so as to not go to jail, and also not have to put up with being around a teenage girl. but it's not a fetish don't be retarded. if anything preferring a barren 35 year old to a teenager is the fetish. it's just biology mate

>I just can't talk with females though. I can talk to them professionally, like at work, but I can't talk to them intimately. My fear of rejection is even greater than it was in HS, thanks to a little mishap there. My fear of rejection is 10x stronger than my desire to be with a female it seems.
hmm I wish I had the confidence to go up to a grill (legal of course) and simply try to start a convo but I can't.

In collage I was alone with one girl cos it was only us in class and teacher had to go out to get something and I just starred at the floor the whole time til he came back (we were both standing awaiting him to set something).

I am very autistic.

It doesn't help because I bumped into her at the stores a few days before that class.

It just so happens 3 minutes while I was starring at floor she says "oh I think I saw you in public".

I think I nodded and said yeah.

Wow I am very pathetic.

since when are softcore porn flicks allowed on youtube??

I agree. She is awesome.

>but it's not a fetish don't be retarded.
how do you explain being gay then?

Ain't that a fetish? It makes no sense evolution wise so why are some people gay?

Sorry m8. I'm not as bad as that. I can small talk and shit, but beyond that, I'm just uncomfortable talking to them. At this point, I don't even care anymore.

I'm sick and tired of fucking roasties and their tricks and lies. Like seriously, it actually makes me fucking mad. I'm not dealing with that shit.

She is all over the place.

>Like seriously, it actually makes me fucking mad.
Be steady there. I don't want to see any trouble happening.

Life is like that for some of us. I send you a hug, brother. Turn all those feels into art.

Is Eric Roberts her mentor?

Don't worry. I'm not a fucking Supreme Gentleman.

i'm not sure where you are going with this, or how gay relates to what we are discussing. I agree though, being gay makes 0 sense evolution wise. I'm no expert and i'm honestly just using educated guesses here, but my theory is it's some combination of,

-childhood sexual trauma
-severe rejection by the opposite sex, or fear of rejection
-just wanting to be different(teenage rebellion that turns into a sexual orientation)
-some sort of mental illness
-maybe some genes that cause people to be gay somehow get passed down from forced marriages, pressure to reproduce from society and family etc

Anyway again not sure how it relates, but those are my thoughts. By all rights if being gay is genetic it should not exist because it should have been selected out a long time ago. Probably most people that are gay have 1 or more of the causes i listed above, but again just an educated guess really

It's probably due to overpopulation.

We already have 7 billion people on the planet.

Do you think Cred Forums is your blog? Why are you posting about this shit?

Please don't respond.

Being attracted to teenagers is completely normal though, it's being attracted to little girls that are 8 years old and shit that is a mental disorder that really makes you fucked up.

But being attracted to Teenage girls is a slippery slope because you start wanting them younger and can lead to trouble.

>just an educated guess really

It's a guess, sure, but not an educated one.

Have you really spent any amount of time in the world talking to people? There are some guys out there that have the "gay voice" and even had it from a very young age. There are certain instances in gay dudes where there is obvious genetic causation and the possibility that they were biologically predestined for it seems reasonable. Not in the way that you've speculated, however
>-maybe some genes that cause people to be gay somehow get passed down from forced marriages, pressure to reproduce from society and family etc
because your speculation is pants-on-head retarded crazy even by tinfoil hat standards.

Getting roles isn't all that difficult if you're willing to do bit stuff.

You can make a damned good living as "that guy". When you hear actors or actresses bitching about lack of roles, they usually mean roles they think they should have. IE, main roles in blockbusters.

>It's a "Larry David and his friend purchase a 'College girls gone wild' video and watch it together" episode
Well thank god they stopped watching porn after that before it got worse

What de fugg :DDDD

How the fuck do you explain ex Terminator girl never getting work again when she is a 10/10 of beauty?

My only guess is because she didn't want to "please the producers" depending if the casting couch rumors are actually true

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Because she is the tv equivalent of box office posion, same as Elisha Cuthbert is becoming.

I said educated guess because it is educated. I have studied this, but again i'm no expert and no one knows for sure. We probably won't know for sure the causes for a long time because people get butthurt when you try and look into it.

Think what you want, i am not prepared to argue it with you, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. Did you even think though, that those with those "gay" mannerisms you mentioned from early on would be far more likely to be ostracized and rejected by the opposite sex? That would go a long way towards explaining why so many of them end up "gay".

You can call my theories pants on head crazy but every single current theory on way gay men especially exist and in such numbers has a lot of holes, especially the theory that it's mostly genetic. If you can't see that you need your eyes checked

She's a stuck up that thinks she's a star.

Homosexuality is observed in thousands of species, there is nothing educated about anything you wrote.

I've fapped so many times today, yet I had an urge to fap again, young girls stop being sexy all the time my dick

>homosexuality

Same gender intercourse is observed. Just because your dog will fuck anything that moves when it's horny doesn't mean it's gay.

In the animal world, homosexuality disappears when a female in heat is introduced into the equation. There is a difference between the need for sexual release and actively disregarding the opposite sex for the same sex.

hey look you think you got me and just made yourself look stupid, and on Cred Forums of all places who would have thought. what is observed in those species is horny males fucking whatever hole they can find. Homosexuality, as in those males refuse to fuck the females, and will only fuck males of their own species, that is a very rare thing.

Horny "bisexual" guys that will just fuck anything because they are desperate or just that horny is another conversation entirely. I know you felt smart regurgitating that talking point from whatever blog you picked it up from, but that's what happens when you pretend to know what you are talking about isn't it

I agree even though I like the 1997 version.

Lolita is a dark comedy and the 1997 version kind of forgets that sadly.

>Think what you want, i am not prepared to argue it with you, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything.

Not true, anecdotal evidence certainly means *something* because it is immediately observable in nature. It might not be the total answer within itself but it is at least one verifiable thing that you can objectively cite and pattern. So it isn't without value.

Now if you really want to talk about citing evidence that doesn't mean anything let's take a quick look at that last point of yours again:
>>-maybe some genes that cause people to be gay somehow get passed down from forced marriages, pressure to reproduce from society and family etc

What you are saying here is esoteric in nature, you understand that, right? This is very far from the genetic argument that you are trying to word it. In fact what you are really talking about here is psychic baggage from ancestral link, so don't be so quick to talk about "evidence that doesn't mean anything" when you are throwing shit like this around.

here mane just go to the halfway of the movie

Just what I imagined how a Russian lolita would be like

I imagined russian lolitas to be below the age of 18 tbqh

Have ya checked Kubrick's version? It's very interesting to see how the reading material got interpreted by any means over the years. I like Kubrick's better than the new one though.

I'm not even sure what point you are trying to get across here. Is your point that homosexuality is entirely genetic, that thing that makes you not want to reproduce with the opposite sex, and i'm the crazy person for trying to point out alternate theories to that?

Because you might want to sit back and really think about that position, since it doesn't jump right out at you as being silly as it should. If that's not your position i don't know what you are trying to argue about, i flat out said i don't fucking know what makes people gay i just have some theories, and a purely genetic one is clearly very problematic.

I was thinking in terms of sexual explicit nature of a Russian "Lolita", compared to Kubrick's and 1997 Lolita

This is what we need here.

>what is observed in those species is horny males fucking whatever hole they can find.

On a macro level all sex in the animal kingdom is like this. Even the hetero sex that propagates the species. All animals in the animal kingdom get really horny and fuck a hole out of sheer biological impetus because they don't have the same consciousness nor cognition that humans do. Just because they don't share the same level of cognition doesn't mean that you can now write off all of these other observable examples of this behavior happening in nature.

You are falsely trying to equate two fundamentally different modes of life here.

Don't worry
within 5-10 years we'll get a 1:1 adaptation

You're the one who used the animal world as proof of homosexuality.

Now you change it to them mindlessly fucking.

You're an idiot.

loved the ending.

>within 5-10 years we'll get a 1:1 adaptation

It's not good to have false hope user.

I wasn't that previous user.

>Now you change it to them mindlessly fucking.

You've completely misunderstood what I was saying in that post. Chances are you're a few years too young and a few chips too precocious to be having this conversation.

>I wasn't that previous user
kek
not the guy you're trying to argue with, but you better stop embarrasing yourself

The move got banned from PTP because it got reported as child porn.

Everything's fucking child porn, I don't even pay attention to it anymore, since EVERYTHING IS CHILD PORN

>not the guy you're trying to argue with, but you better stop embarrasing yourself

If you say so guy who definitely isn't that guy and definitely isn't too young to be having this convo.

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Stop being a faggot. They can't arrest you for something that's on fucking youtube.

im watching it though. also what's with the influx of jeremy irons?

t. roastie

Pedophiles are attracted to girls who haven't gone through puberty. It is an attraction, a response to stimuli.

When an 8-year-old boy is attracted to an 8-year-old girl, do you consider the boy to be a pedophile?

Suppose the boy has a picture of the girl. Suppose he finds the girl attractive in the picture. Years later, suppose he looks at the picture again. Now that's he's older, is he supposed to be revolted by what he previously found attractive? Is he supposed to stop and realize "Wow, she wasn't actually attractive after all. What was I thinking? How could I have been so blind?"

In the US, "pedophile" is a legal term and can only be diagnosed when someone is at least 16-years-old.

But the question remains:

When children are attracted to fellow children, why is it not considered pedophilia?

Why is it only considered pedophilia when an adult is attracted to children?

If an 8-year-old finds certain 8-year-old girls to be attractive, due to objective physical traits, beautiful traits, then why is it considered a "mental illness" if years later he still considers thost physical traits to be physically attractive?

You're suggesting that people should discard former attractions.

Yet as the LGBT mafia has told everyone, you don't choose who you're attracted to, you can't control what you're attracted to.

So how exactly is attraction pathologized?

something something maturity level something something taking advantage of

Look lad, I'd love to discuss this topic as much as you, I think it's a fascinating subject quite frankly, but this discussion is likely going to go nowhere but in circles of insults. Let's hope I'm proven wrong though.

Dat happy ending tho

>Thus, many paedophiles cannot be reasoned with. They know only their selfish, sexual gratification.

Only if someone believes that sexual activity outside of marriage is morally okay (which is a liberal position).

If one believes tha sexual activity outside of marriage is morally wrong, what exactly is wrong with a person who finds someone else attractive?

The simple fact is that extramarital sex is morally wrong. Extramarital sex includes: all rape (except marital rape), affairs, cheating, bastard children born to single mothers, sex trafficking, child molestation, child sex abuse, child sex trafficking, prostitution, hardcore porn, the contraction of most STDs, even most abortions. People who defend extramarital sex are defending all of the above.

People who insist that extramarital sex is morally just, that it doesn't matter what consenting adults do in private, are forgetting a few things.

When an adult married man cheats on his wife with another adult woman, the two people having an affair, extramarital sex, are both consenting adults. Yet if it's done in secret, his wife has not consented to that sex outside of marriage. Similarly, if two adults who are dating, if they are in a serious relationship, and one of them cheats, the two cheaters are both consenting adults, yet the person cheated on is not consenting.

The simple matter is that extramarital sex is morally wrong.

Liberals love to say that there's nothing wrong with consenting adults having sex outside marriage. And yet even consensual sex between adults can turn into rape. It's not as if a female gives verbal consent or written consent before every single thing a man does to her.

Wikipedia:
>A 1974 study by Hariton and Singer found that being "overpowered or forced to surrender" was the second most frequent fantasy in their survey; a 1984 study by Knafo and Jaffe ranked being overpowered as their study's most common fantasy during intercourse.

>BUT when you actually do find any younger child "attractive" then there is something seriously wrong with you.

When you were a child, did you find other children attractive, or did you think all girls were icky and gross until they turned 18 years old, the federal age of consent?

This goes back to how attraction is often a form of nostalgia. Some experience in the past triggered arousal in some way, and they retain that memory and they continue to find that stimulus attractive.

Look at people with foot fetishes. Do you think they really went 20, 30, 40, 50 years thinking feet are gross, and then one day they just decided that they liked feet? No.

A lot of attraction is based on childhood imprints, previous experiences in childhood.

Which is why the whole "born that way" meme is bullshit.

Wow, it's almost as if different people have different life experiences and different memories which shape what they find attractive.

Huh.

>sonder: the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own.

Good post. Very in line with my reasoning. I've stated very similar before.

Applicable to AoC as well. AoC naturally and innately implies extramarital sex, for there can't be an age to consent without the implication that the sex is to be performed extramaritally. In a marriage, there is no need to express consent every time sex is performed as the consent was given explicitly during the marital union which is supposed to last for life or at the very least the life of the marriage.

AoC tells young people that this is the minimum age you must be in order to have sex, but says nothing of the sort for marriage, nor does it even promote it. It implies promiscuity as well. Why would you need an age of consent if not to consent to having sex with various people?

Wish I could word this better, but holy fuck am I tired. I eventually want to hone my argument to make it easily digestible, but my ultimate point is that the AoC is ultimately more harmful than good in the end.

Do you consider every attraction to be a fetish?

And it's not illegal for children to be attracted to children. Do you really think children are not responding to objective physical traits in their peers?

If those physical traits were considered attractive in the past, why would someone later decide those traits were no longer attractive? Why would they reverse their positions? Why would someone think something is beautiful, then years later decide that thing is ugly? That often happens when people in relationships break up, they may look at an old ex and want to vomit. But that probably has more to due with a gut reaction to any trauma that occured during the relationship, or the breakup itself.

It's like this: If you thought the blue sky was pretty one day, why would you hate the blue sky two decades later?

Is that actor a pedo? He is in all the loli movies known to man.

Well this thread turned to shit.

>Cred Forums now has daily Lolita threads reaching hundreds of posts

>being attracted to little girls that are 8 years old and shit that is a mental disorder that really makes you fucked up.

And what about when 8-year-old boys are attracted to 8-year-old girls? Do you consider that a mental disorder?

Why finding beautiful features attractive at 8 become a mental disorder the older the boy gets?

That's like thinking that a child who thinks puppies are cute is normal, but if they get older and keep thinking puppies are cute, they're some kind of insane maniac. You're asking them to change their memories, you're asking them to stop being attracted to what they previously found attractive.

I would argue that most attractions are actually forms of nostalgia.

Yes, people can become attractede to new, novel things. Like boobs for example. But when it comes to faces, neoteny is a thing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny#Attractive_women.27s_faces
>In a cross-cultural study, more neotenized female faces were the most attractive to men while less neotenized female faces were the least attractive to men, regardless of the females' actual age.

Insults/threats from people like you to pedo's in here, sure.

Nah man, I'm pro-lgf's

>harem ending

perfect

>There are some guys out there that have the "gay voice" and even had it from a very young age. There are certain instances in gay dudes where there is obvious genetic causation and the possibility that they were biologically predestined for it seems reasonable. Not in the way that you've speculated, however

They already mentioned genes.

And genes can probably influence a body's level of androgens, testosterone and estrogen. Epigenetic factors can also probably affect a body's level of androgens.

So sure, some effeminate males may have the "gay voice." But also, some gays have an affected voice, in an attempt to sound higher class, because upper crust smug elites in say, Britain, often talk in certain ways. And also "dandies" in America.

However, the Left seems to completely ignore childhood imprints when it comes to sexuality. With their "born this way" meming, they totally ignore environment, culture, past stimuli, and the formation of memory.

It would be interesting to see if someone with a gay voice was given total amnesia, and if they would still talk that way.

Shut up faggot, you know perfectly well there's a fucking huge difference between a child and child attraction and a grown man and child attraction.

OK, I just assumed you posted this I'm not turned on by children, barely even teens (14-19) because I can't imagine how annoying they must be to deal with, should one have the chance of having sex with them. But it's a different story when looking at pics, and/or roleplaying, I know that much.

Do you think it'll be less sexualized if it weren't a taboo?

Glau has never been a good actor.

She was cast a robot because she acts like one. Perfect casting. She typecast herself.

Alfred, no...

Cannibalism is also observed in many species. Would you suggest cannibalism is genetic? Or possibly influenced by environmental pressures?

Leexe Smith in the 25TH Lolita's Anniversary as Lolita.

FUCKIN WHEN?

Nah, she's actually very humble and not egotistical like most actresses are. But she's not a big enough name to get major roles outside of Wheadon shows.

Eva Ionesco

/thread

The "gay voice" is not a meme.

There was a gay guy in my college class who has the gay voice and I immediately knew he was gay.

Of course, the gay voice differs in some gay men whilst some are more gayer compared to others.

Take John Barrowman. He looks and sounds practically str8 yet he is gay.

>because I can't imagine how annoying they must be to deal with

I've heard this tossed around quite frequently, and my personal observation and analysis has led me to believe that this mindset is prevalent because we as a society have devolved in maturity by a significant factor than say 50 years ago.

older children and teens act like little shits because we allow them to and we shield them from personal and social responsibility as long as we can which inevitably delays their growth in maturity.

Essentially, it all comes down to how we treat our younger generations. We treat them like they're functional, developing adults, they act more mature. We treat them like they're little shits all the time, they grow up acting like little shits.

It's one thing to be mischievous and curious, but another thing to act like spoiled little shits, which is how we in the Western world seemed to have adopted to act towards our younger generation.

I get that Dolly is supposed to be kind of a brat, but the 1997 movie version just made her insufferable. It would have helped if she were cuter.

>implying illegal content is never uploaded to youtube
>implying youtube instantly bans all illegal content immediately after upload
>implying there is an army of youtube employees who watch everything uploaded to youtube before it's posted on the site

>implying they don't upload cp to youtube on purpose so they can track the IP's of the people who watch it

Pedophilia is an attraction, a respose to stimuli. Taking advantage of someone else is something different.

My point is this: why is an 8-year-old boy who is attracted to an 8-year-old girl not considered a pedophile?

Someone might say: because he's only a child, that's normal.

So if that's a normal response for a child, how does that response become a "mental disorder" the older the boy gets?

It's like saying: it's normal for a child to enjoy the taste of sweetness, but if the child still enjoys the taste of sweetness two decades later, they're insane.

As much as I agree with you, I'd have to say it's more than the core-family. Kids today are taught in school, that they are the center of everything, they are our future (which is true, sometimes sadly) but that paedagogy is also dangerous because it enforces a shitty child's attitude into something much shittier. A id is egotistic enough as it is, but to actually go through bullshit and tell it he's never wrong and can be anything without consequence is bullshit. That, and also the Information Age we live in is not only information age, it's a stage for children to post anything for likes and what-have-you, I think it perfectly reflect just how different times are from, say, someone like me raised during the 80's.

I feel like we are way off of pedophilia/hebephilia now.

Tolerance to prions from cannibalism is genetic.

When liberals and leftists normalized sex outside marriage, they had to invent some other other standard besides marriage, so they settled on "consent." There is the common usage of consent, agreeing to something, and the legal usage of consent, it's a legal term, defined in age of consent laws. It's not like children are unable to say they don't like something, say no, disagree. But if children are taught in the education system to respect adults, to see adults as authority figures, to obey, if children are not told that they can always say no, it leads to adults doing things to children that they don't cosnent to. It's not like babies consent to being taught their native language, or like children consent to being in school every day. Charles Tart argued that all people from birth are induced into the "consensus trance" of the culture around them.

But the concept of "concent" is problematic because how do you determine it exists? Verbally? Written? Testimony from an adult? When men and women have sex, it's not like a man asks "Do you consent?" before every act he performs on a woman. And women wouldn't like that either.

Wikipedia:
In 1985, Louis H. Janda who is an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women. A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.

>A study of college-age women found over half had engaged in fantasies of rape or coercion which, another study claims, are within the normal range of female sexuality.

Age of consent laws originated in the UK due to an epidemic of child prostitution. But prostitution is always extramarital sex. They could have banned sex outside marriage (and some countries still do).

Well, that's just the nature of it all. The pedo/hebe topic isn't so one dimensional/black & white. It encompasses many different fields and topics in order to gain a clearer understanding of it. But again, nobody wants to talk about it. It's too uncomfortable a subject for many people, no thanks to the culture we've all been bred in.

There really is a cultural problem with respect to how we view and treat children. We reinforce their negative behavior under a false pretense that they can do no wrong, and you can do very little about correcting it lest you be branded as abusive in some way or another. This has been bred and mutated into what we now call pedo-hysteria in which any kind of contact with a child (in some cases even if its your own) is just rife with potential to be called out as a pedophile/child molesting monster, particularly towards males. There's a reason why there are significantly less men as teachers than there are females in most public schools. The risk is too high. This in turn leads to most of our kids being taught with a higher female presence than male presence which skews their psychology and worldview. It must be balanced, but our society is so female-centric now.

Giving women the vote was a mistake.

Every man was once a boy. And probably has memories from his childhood.

The only difference is the age of person who feels attraction.

Would a boy likely be attracted to this girl? Probably. He's responding to her objective physical features.

Would a man likely be attracted to this girl? Probably. He's responding to her objective physical features.

It's her traits that make her attractive, not the person responding to those traits.

If someone is supposed to reject their old way of responding to things, that's like asking girls who like chocolate to stop liking chocolate as they get older.

She's 20 here bros, no need to freak out. Just looked young as fuck
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I didn't say the gay voice is a meme.

I'm saying some men can't control the gay voice, and some men perform it, or exaggerate it.

>and you can do very little about correcting it lest you be branded as abusive in some way or another.
This exactly. I feel shitty because I was/used to be angry at men in my family for putting me in my place when I crossed their line. They're usually pretty aggressive but not abusive/physical, but aggressively put me in my place. I hated it so much, I felt powerless, and humiliated because I didn't feel like I could defend myself. Looking back I'm actually glad, and I can see getting past this disciplinary attitude, there's something valuable we don't see often today (in children)

That kinda upbringing would not be acceptable today. And I often feel many children deserve to feel the fear of men, not necessarily physical/verbal abusive, but a fear of crossing other peoples lines.

I wonder if we're/I'm looking back with rose-tinted glasses and those men had more chances of having sex with children back then. Maybe it is the reason women are more present in institutions.

But yes, women should not vote.

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this fucking sucks and that bitch is ugly

Brooke Shields should've been lolita.

>tfw no qt loli to cuddle

she was like 30 when this movie came out. And she already was lolita in the 80's.

THIS

>older children and teens act like little shits because we allow them to and we shield them from personal and social responsibility as long as we can which inevitably delays their growth in maturity.

This.

The coddling of humanity in K-12 education is a human cultural invention.

Supposedly, public school was meant to teach kids so they could read the Bible, and so they could go work in factories. Once child labor in factories was banned (in the West), and most people stopped hunting for food, or living on farms, you create this extended period of prolonged childood/adolescence that is unprecedented in human history.

In primitive cultures, like in the Amazon, kids are taught how to survive in the wild, and they have (often violent) rituals marking their entry into adulthood. Western culture has what? Hispanics have Quinceaneras, Jews have Bar Mitzvahs. In secular culture what is the line? Turning 18. You weren't an "adult" at 17 years 364 days, 24hrs later you magically are an "adult", who wouldn't be able to survive in the wild if they had to, due to reliance on a global hyper-capitalist system where people think meat "comes from the store."

Technology infantilizes people. Ted Kaczynski noticed it. Wall-E was about it. Adults transform into fat dependent babies whose every need is catered to by a global industrial system.

Wild animals' offspring are taught much earlier in life how to fend for themselves. Maybe due to earlier puberty in animals vs later puberty in humans. Puberty marks the age of reproductive possibility, yet humans still don't consider people "adults" until well past puberty. It's an artificial cultural system that humans have self-imposed.

The Amish have Rumspringa, a rite of passage. Where people can leave, experiment, and decide to leave or return. But it seems in Western culture the "rite of passage" is usually premarital sex (and all the ills that come with that like STDs, teen pregnancy, rape, trauma, etc).

>I'm looking back with rose-tinted glasses and those men had more chances of having sex with children back then

Phrased like that implies acceptability of prostitution. Not sure if it's what you meant, but probably not. It should always be exclusive where each party truly appreciates each other.

We probably are looking at it through Rose-tinted glasses, but I just want a fucking loli gf man. I want one to play with, teach about the world around, mentor about life, and ultimately cuddle and kiss with.

Roasites can't give any of that and are the antithesis of what I want. What suffering.

Okay. But in species who don't normally cannibalize, isn't it the environmental pressure of lack of food source that leads to cannibalism?

They are starving to death, so they eat their own? Even humans do it.

So, if cannibalism can be triggered by a certain environment, why not homosexuality? And supposedly, children raised by homosexual couples are more likely to identify as homosexual. This is the cultural component that the Left ignores, since it doesn't fit their narrative.

is this legal??

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Letting women work was a mistake. In the past, any high school graduate could manage to support a family with a single income. But when suddenly half the human race is competing for the same jobs, there are less jobs to go around. So now it's almost impossible to raise a family in the West without both husband and wife working. And if both are working, who is raising the kids? Government paid babysitters, indoctrinating them with liberalism (which holds that premarital sex is okay, which leads to teen pregnancy, STDS, single moms, which leads to poverty, which leads to crime, which leads to cities turning into third world hellholes).

And yes, giving women the vote was a mistake. Because they vote for socialist policies, where the state has to pay for things, which a husband used to solely pay for. And for open borders, which increases the number of immigrants, and illegal immigrants, which often steal jobs from the lowest class of society (for example, African-Americans), so now legal citizens are faced with less jobs and more poverty, and many immigrants bring cultures with them that are basically from the Stone Age (where raping women is okay, where killing homosexuals is okay, where killing nonbelievers is okay).

Now women have the "opportunity" to be wage slaves too, generating profits for soulless multinational globalist corporations, who would be diagnosed as psychopths if they were not legal fictions, who only want to generate more profits the next quarter because of the invention of "stock" and stock markets, which are nothing more than legalized gambling (yet Internet poker is banned, even though it would provide a way for poor people to actually "grind" and increase their net worth).

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i'm pretty sure he wanted to fuck his then-twink son around his preteen years

>I just want a fucking loli gf man.

When I went to school in 5th grade, there was this one man in his 30's who was seeing one of my classmates. After some time our teacher got concerned and suspecious about whether he was having sex with her. Turns out he was, her parents did not care and most from our failed to see what was wrong (morally) then she got taken away from her parents and moved to another city. Last time I've heard of her she has children and moved to another country. This is kinda like Lolita, I guess. Her parents were drug users and did not care that their young daughter spends the night at a man they did not know. Now I wonder how her life is.

>I just want a fucking loli gf man. I want one to play with, teach about the world around, mentor about life, and ultimately cuddle and kiss with.

Dating and "girlfriends" are another recent totally artificial human invention, dating maybe to the early 1900s.

This article is about the book Labor of Love: The Invention of Dating.
newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/23/why-dating-is-drudgery
>The term “date” originated as slang referring to a woman’s date book, and showed up in print in 1896...

>The pursuit of leisure cost more than most single working-class women (paid a fraction of what men were) could readily afford. Weigel quotes a 1915 report by a New York social worker: “The acceptance on the part of the girl of almost any invitation needs little explanation, when one realizes that she often goes pleasureless unless she accepts ‘free treats.’ ” To have fun, a woman had to let a man pay for her and suffer the resultant damage to her reputation. Daters were “Charity Girls”—“Charity Cunts,” in a dictionary of sexual terms published in 1916—so called because they gave themselves away for free.

>If women went out, they were seen as akin to whores, who at least got cash for their trouble—a distinction that was lost on the police, who regularly arrested female daters for prostitution. On the other hand, if women stayed in they couldn’t bump into eligible bachelors.

It's basically how all American women reduced themselves to whores, trading sex for favors.

Ultimately, there can be no solid commitment between "boyfriends" and "girlfriends." It's basically casual prostitution.

>Cred Forums Nazis are also pedos
Not really surprising.

I used "gf" colloquially here, but I essentially meant long term commitment, essentially equivalent to a marriage, not just a casual fling to see where it goes.

Actually, though, I have no problem with dating in and of itself in its strictest sense. It's when it begins reducing itself to sex rather than just treading the surface for compatibility that it becomes a problem.

A lot of druggies pimp out their daughters.

If the guy had married her with the parents' approval, and provided for her, protected her, what's the problem?

But he used her and threw her away. Sex outside marriage. That's the problem. The lack of commitment. The abandonment. He pulled the rug out from under her. He was there for her, then he threw her back into the world.

All boys are pedos. All men used to be boys. So all men are pedos.

But it's socially acceptable to demonize men for finding youth and beauty attractive, whereas women get a free pass for the majority of them having rape fantasies. Male sexuality is condemned and restrained, female sexuality is praised and unrestricted.

I can see an argument for marriage. But it's more likely for a girlfriend to be abandoned at some point, which can be extremely traumatizing.

It's the casual nature of "dating" and "girlfriends" that's the problem. And reduces females to prostitutes. While expecting men to willingly marry them later on after having had sex with numerous other men (which affects females emotionally, psychologically, even physically).

It's legal to my penis, that's all that matters.

>If the guy had married her with the parents' approval, and provided for her, protected her, what's the problem?
That was my point. We did not assume it was a bad thing that they were having sex back then, it became a bad thing when our teachers told us it was. We could care less, we just wanted to play and explore and not be concerned with which relationship and/or sexual desires are bad or not. People forget how early sexual start in children. That is not to say every man should have a right by law to fuck children, but pointing out children most of the time cannot tell difference between bad or wrong. And maybe that's what they mean when they say children can't consent. In a way, it's true, but it also suggest children do not have these thoughts at an early age, which is not true.

Yes, you and I are in agreement. There's nothing wrong with dating in the sense of simply getting to know the person. It's the actual act of sex that destroys people, women in particular and moreso than men, in more ways than one.

The normalization of promiscuity is essentially one of the cornerstones of every fall of great civilizations.

>All boys are pedos. All men used to be boys. So all men are pedos.
flawless logic, I salute thee

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

yes

One could argue that all men USED to be pedos when they were boys.

But that's like saying "I used to like chocolate" or "I used to like candy" or "I used to like ice cream" or "I used to like pizza."

Also, cats can't taste sweet.

If she can produce enough anal mucus for successful penetration it's basically your job to pass that sexual experience on so we don't destroy the planet.

"When I was a little boy I used to like little girls. I still do but I used to too."

The problem is society lumping monsters like yourself in with others. When the others get treated like monsters, even if they've done nothing wrong, they tend to become monsters. Because if you have a bad reputation, you might as well live up to it.

"used to" implies it has ended.

I was being sarcastic btw :^)

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It's a joke by Mitch Hedberg, mutated.

"I used to do drugs. I still do but I used to too."

I'm not going to explain why it's funny.

The point is that little boys are attracted to little girls (but society doesn't label them pedophiles). Why would little boys stop being attracted to little girls? Girls bodies' change but boys are supposed to think the girls they were attracted to are now ugly? Boys are supposed to laugh at flat-chested girls in their teens (like a petty girl)? Men are supposed to reject short women? Men are supposed to reject women who shave their armpit hair?

Grown females shave their pubic hair. Grown females try their whole life to look as young as they used to. It's not only men seeking youth, women do it too. Women want to revert to a younger age, where a man can carry her, entertain her, buy things for her, love her.