Why weren't they able to replicate the feels of the initial Star Wars ?

This is sort of tangential, but basically answers your question.

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Because the new film is an uninspired rehash.

Also Abrams is shit. The ridiculous amount of interviews and voice overs he's had to do to explain the film and characters motivations and their emotions highlights his innability to convey these in the film.

...wow.

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because they didn't even care about keeping the feel right. The poorly written dialogue made it feel like a YA film and the final shot where the helicopter zooms around the island for 90 seconds was anything but Star Wars

TFA was far to quippy, flashy and "exciting". Why the hell can't JJ do any scenes of quiet reflection or intimate dialogue?

If JJ directed A New Hope, Obi-Wan would have told Luke about this father, the Jedi and the Empire as they were fighting a load of sand people or as they were dodging rocks as they blast along in th speeder. The best Star Wars moments are usually the ones where everything slows down and the actors are allowed to make this universe feel real.

I hate The Force Awakens so fucking much.

...wow what?

Because bigger and epic-er isn't always better

Too many clean sterile looking computer effects instead of shooting on location or using props because George is a lazy stupid asshole

and also because no one stopped George this time when he had retarded ideas

>"Its so dense, every shot has a digital effect"

No/wrong talent behind the camera.
Dying Hollywood valuing sequel potential and recognisability over film quality.

A group of Cred Forums poster could have written a better, more memorable, more exciting, more compelling Star Wars film.

Oh I forgot Ep 7 even existed

It was a plot rehash , too much relying on reference and nostalgia

and it was written like a Marvel action movie where 75% of the dialogue is sarcastic jokes

They were actually very careful about shooting as much "real" stuff as possible in Ep VI and George had nothing to do with the actual production you dumb faggot.

It doesn't matter how much real stuff the shoot if the art direction sucks. The film looked like shit and had no atmosphere.

So were the prequels. It relied solely on nostalgia. It shoved old characters in your face to distract you and the plots are the same as the originals just reversed.

I was talking about the prequels because ep 7 is so forgettable. Besides OP didnt say which he was referring too anyway

Someone aspiring to actually make something out of themselves isn't going to spend time on Cred Forums. This isn't a board for creatively flowing individuals of talent and merit.

Hence your presence

They had no soul and no courage.

>no courage
>Luke isn't even in the fucking movie
>Han died an inglorious death
>villain is a petulant brat instead of generic stoic badass
>made the hero a girl which triggered virgins

>Luke isn't even in the fucking movie
People weren't begging to have A New Hope 2.0 with the old cast in starring roles. What's funny is it's what they mostly got.
>Han died an inglorious death
I predicted that shit before the movie even came out and so did many others. Considering he's playing a mentor role of sort to Rey, since he's the Obi-Wan replacement, it's pretty obvious that he's the one to die.
>>villain is a petulant brat instead of generic stoic badass
I'll give you that much.
>>made the hero a girl which triggered virgins
Nothing special in this day and age.

>made the hero a girl which triggered virgins
This was a great move t b h, Kylo was the best villain in capeshit in a long time because he had some depth and was original. I really hope they don't listen to all the autists going "b-but muh Darth Maul, so badasss!" in the next movie. And yes I called it capeshit, deal with it.

dammit I wanted to quote the other line, you know what I meant

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Not him, but it's got nothing to do with the 70s or timeframes. A good film which evokes feels can be from this generation or the previous, don't attach the stigma of cloudy nostalgia being responsible for remakes being shit.

The new films lacked substance, it is true that more films back then than now evoked more feels per capita, but that's because back then cinema as saturated as it is now and it had to lean more on story, characters, smart writing and directing because they couldn't create the cheaper/quicker alternatives with all the modern movie magic we have now.

This goes for all things not just Star Wars, anyone can make a film of substance that can affect you - they just choose not to because the path of least resistance and financial incentive dominates modern cinema.

>Why weren't they able to replicate the feels of 1970s American cinema aka the New Hollywood Era, and the miraculously potent sci-fi blockbuster it spawned that has influenced all subsequent films to some degree, be it creatively or commercially?

lol

>the final shot where the helicopter zooms around the island for 90 seconds was anything but Star Wars

True.

>Why the hell can't JJ do any scenes of quiet reflection or intimate dialogue?

He can.

TFA wasn't boring enough. The movie is crammed with so much action that it kinda wears on you.

ANH had a half hour of sneaking around the Deathstar before anything exciting happeed.

Even if it's impossible, you can try to freeze time.
They tried and failed.

Luke was a Mary Sue. He should have been killed within minutes in the final battle. Mark Hamill also can't act.

>Luke was a Mary Sue.

so dumb

These

yes you are, its well established in cinematic history as one of the biggest Mary Sues

One of the hidden important factors that made Star Wars seem so lived in and therefore exciting was that most of the locales actually felt pretty sparsely populated.
Tattooine mostly felt totally empty, with just barely a passable population in Mos Eisley, and even then it felt like it was just a place for pass through smugglers and lowlifes rather than 'natives' or residents. Cloud City was probably the biggest population center visited and while it looked impressive it never shows like, multitudes of people in a bustling street.
The scareness of it all made it feel like an actual adventure, like the characters were really out in the frontier still exploring strange places and unique races. It was a great balance that added some levity to the viewers so that they could share in some of the experience of the characters unraveling the universe.
Prime example: Luke has a vague, very rudimentary understanding of what Jedi are, and largely is finding out about the force the entire time on his journey. He only does something remarkably force-related at the very, very end of Hope, and even that is just a small subtle thing like aiming a toropedo. You, the audience, are discovering these crazy things about the universe of Star Wars along with Luke, and you feel every small step on his journey, so it's even more satisfying when he's actually competent by the time the third film rolls around. It feels deserved and paid off.

The prequels obviously don't need to be described in how they miss that entirely.

TFA does an okay job with the idea of adventure in unknown places but it overpopulates the different areas they go to and has too many 'set pieces' (the KANJICLUB scene feels so out of place it's ridiculous). Not to mention the obvious point of Rey getting waaaay too intuned with the force way too quickly. Finn had a much more believable arc in that regard but he got back seated to Rey hard.

How would you even describe the feel of ANH ESB and ROTJ though?

A Mary Sue is a self insert that is good at everything. The Star Wars universe didn't exist prior to Star Wars, so the character isn't a self-insert in the sense that a Mary Sue is. Also, Luke sucks at everything. He gets his ass handed to him by Tusken Raiders and Ben has to wake his unconscious ass up with the Force. He whines like a motherfucker. He gets hit by a blast training with a lightsaber. He has to have Obi-Wan protect him at a bar. Leia has to rescue him when he's supposed to be rescuing her. He doesn't even fight Vader. Literally the only thing he can do is fly an X-Wing and use the force to guide his photon torpedo.

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Because JJ Abrams can't make anything original, he just steals shamelessly

Lucas is a visionary. Sometimes his vision is shit, but only he could come up with it

Also Irvin Kershner was a severely underrated talent (Robocop 2 is awesome no matter what people say)

This. Rey is shown to be incredibly competent right from the beginning even before all the force stuff. She easily scales huge abandoned ships, and its implied it's just a mediocre everyday thing for her as she only gets a half a portion for it. She singlehandedly beats up a group of thugs with her staff thing and then runs down and humiliates a trained-from-birth storm trooper. She then leads a daring escape, inverse flips and tightrope squeezes an ungainly 'junk' ship she's never seen before (and it's never established that she's EVER flown before), and that's all before we even get off of NotTattooine.

Meanwhile, Luke gets jumped by illiterate gypsies, is a whiny only competent farmer who drag races his shitty busted speeder in canyons with his hick friends, gets his shot rocked in the trench run twice only to get saved last second by Han, and only just begins his journey towards becoming a Jedi toward the end of his first film.

You don't even need to get to the whole 'and now she can mind trick people and pull sabers etc' stuff, she's a Mary Sue from the first scene

Scaling huge ships, and fighting the group of thugs are reasonable jumps to make, as it's easy to deduce she's been living this kind of life for awhile. Beating storm troopers is where things start to get Sue-y

Because Georgie's ex-wife wasn't afraid to shoot down his autism.

gee idk. they had muh practical effects and everything

Lucas fucked up and swallowed all the sweet 90s and 00 cool whip
Force was supposed to be mysterious religion not le atheist microbes that give superpowers
Better tech also meant he could put in "cool" spinning fight choreography and cgi yoda

The microbes allow the Force to give you superpowers, they don't give the superpowers themselves.