It's sad to see kids die, but why are we acting like mass shootings are some sort of major problem

It's sad to see kids die, but why are we acting like mass shootings are some sort of major problem.
17k homocides in America. Mass shootings are one of the rarest ways to die.

Why do we pretend that if guns were gone, that people wouldn't just fire bomb schools?

Why do people pretend, that mass murder is an actual problem, and that there is some sort of cure for the problem?

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get on a treadmill dumbass amerifat

This is america, that red in our flag is the blood of our people.

Mass shootings and murder is just our way of life.

Most people don't actually care that much. It's highly sensationalized, but it'll be forgotten within a month. Always happens. People just like to use it as a platform for virtue signalling, they don't actually care about people dying. If they did, we would ban cars and high fructose corn syrup. But those opinions won't get you instagram likes, so people talk about the weekly hot topic instead, jumping from issue to issue for attention.

I think this is true. But this thread will still be filled with cucks saying that Americans are retards and should disarm.

The last bikes to use a sense of virtue Signal Point to get rid of firearms. What they don't care if their rights are trampled on I mean just look at their beliefs like socialism and communism. Does Belize have killed more people than any mass shooting in America.

>we would ban cars and hfcs
That's a false equivalency. While both of those things do kill people, they aren't created with the express purpose of killing them

I think that mass shootings can be repressed, but there can never be a cure. Weapons will always be available.

Exactly my point. You don't give a fuck how many people die. You only care about how sensational the cause of death is.

BASED. Don't disarm. Your government will cuck you like mine. (UK)

Because news agencies make money from all of it

>Get money
>Buy used gun
>Shoot up school


>Search online for bomb blueprints
>Buy multiple different explosive/toxic/dangerous compounds
>Assamble
>Try bomb the school and primar fails
>fuck


Seriously bombs are A) uneffective (thats why terrorists stopped using them and now rely on guns and trucks). B) Dont you think the FBI/Agencies backtrack who is buying these compounds (especialy if you buy exactly the chemicals you need for a bomb)?

Im not anti gun, I do own a pistol legaly but we seriously need to ban selling/gifting used guns.

Gun ownership needs to be registerd and if you want to sell it, you would need to sell it at an licenced auctionhouse/gunshop.

>Americans are retards
>this is true.

2nd this

>since people will find a new way to kill people, we shouldn't make it harder for them to kill people.

Yeah but talking with you guys, most of your opinions are based off assumptions you guys deliberately go out of your way to make the worst of. At this point the insult just slides off the shoulder

America is the only place where this regularly happens, or even at all really

Unrealistic. You're creating a scenario where the government has as precedent to come and 'take your guns', which would be impossible to achieve politically and dangerous.

Licenses and written/piratical tests, renewal requirements, background checks, no sale to violent offenders.

How would this hurt anyone?

... and why pretend most homicides in the US aren't nigger-based? Even in killings, one white or Hispanic guy will usually outperform a nigger.

Kind of sad, actually.

>piratical tests
Yaar! I be behind this one!

fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/

Perspective.

yee want an ar-15? walk the plank!

Guns are created for the purpose of defending and saving lives.
No manufacture makes guns so that people will murder with them.

No look, I dont want the goverment to ban guns or take them away,

I think it would be good if we banned the secound hand sale of guns (sellign peer to peer).

Right now, you could give a friend youre gun and it would be legal in most states, this needs to change on a federal basis.

I am not sure if a private person should be allowed to own automatic rifles (at least without a license) but banning the peer to peer sale of guns would definetly help.

yeah i really hate edgelords and don't want to be one but...it's such a small number of deaths

18,000 + deaths in the 2011 tohoku tsunami
200,000 + dead in the 2004 indochina tsunami
2000 + dead in WTC attacks
millions dead in wars
cancer, millions dead

17 dead and everyone flips their shit and acts like america is under assault from mass shooters

kek

How do you save a life with gun?

>sort of cure for the problem?
OH LET'S TURN IN OUR FIREARMS RIGHT AWAY! THE GOVERNMENT WILL PROTECT US! Right.

I performed a tracheotomy on a choking diner with a shotgun barrel, once.

Oh, wait. Now, I remember: I once shot a nigger in the face who was wearing a ball cap indoors at IHOP.

My memory these days. Wow.

Disarming citizens of a democracy tends to be the more deadly solution historically

It's harder to kill with a gun then fire bombing. There are no gun crimes in prison. We should all Give up our rights and lock ourselves up so that we aren't one of the hundred people out of 300 million that are killed in mass school shootings each year.

please don't say the n word on Cred Forums, or other racial slurs
this is a safe space, friend
do it again and i will report you and have you banned by the mods

>nobody will use this because it destroys their worldview

It wouldn't be harder tbh. Pipe bomb and poor man's mustard gas materials can be bought at your local home depot.
And tbh, I'd rather be shot than have my leg blown off.
It's arguably never been harder then right now to get a gun in America and school shootings are on a rise anyway.
It's a culture thing. Kids have no respect or will to understand one another or something. Not as much anyway. Maybe you can blame it on phones where we can just talk to our close friends all the time rather than getting to know the stranger sitting across the aisle, or learning to look past the shortcomings of your neighbors.
That's probably just part of it. That and they don't have any fear toward the only adult in the classroom. You can sue that guy if he talks too mean anymore.
So it's just thousands of spoiled, self-isolated pubescent adolescents with no real authority figure running around under one roof. Yeah that actually sounds like the Lord of the Flies when you look at it like that. Guns are just the weapon of choice.

Because tragedy is the best means to enact evil political policies...

Nice argument, way to prove you have nothing intellectual to say.

Did you know that over here in Australia the last time there was a 'mass shooting' which was 1996 killed 36 people and since then all semiautomatic weapons have been banned and it's a very long and complicated process to even get a pistol now. And guess what? No mass shootings and no school shootings since.

I follow the Quentin Tarantino theory of linguistic slurs - if you use them often enough, they lose their power to hurt and insult.
Say "nigger" 1000 times in a row and it starts to lose its meaning. Do it in Atlanta or above 95th street and you'll liberate the World.

I also like Brigette Fonda's feet and haven't written anything worth a shit since 1996.

Right, but they're far more effective at killing it seems. If that's what we're trying to cut down, what's your argument?

This doesn't even make sense user. Both of those have uses other than killing, the gun does not. A car can be used as a weapon but it's also necessary for our society to function, a gun is not. Hfcs produces cheap, albeit unhealthy foods and may not be necessary, but it isn't being used to intentionally end human life.

The vast majority of guns used in self defense and the defense of family, are never fired.
If a criminal is caught in your house he has the choice of escalating to attacking or running.
A gun as a deterrent saves the lives of the innocent and but also can prevent the criminal from turning burglary to murder. In a sense, 20years of his life has been saved as well.

Tragedy + Time = Fun Midterm Elections.

A gun doesn't protect, a gun ends life. If that protects someone then, sure, the gun is used to protect but it was never created for the purpose of protection. A gun is created for warfare, for killing.

With the government's goal of a disarmed populace achieved, there is no reason to continue MK Ultra false flags.

Right, and your over all murder rate has disappeared as well?

But Saving Lives Is Worth Overhauling Your Way Of Life
Humans got asking just fine before cars and cheap plasticisers or wtvr

Protection's protection. You're mincing words over whether it can be a legitimate form of protection versus created for the purpose of protection.

You need to work on that argument a bit more. You read like you may be an idiot.

I swear gunfags just write stupid shit and act like they trumped everything anyone else said. There is no way to convince you idiots that human life is more valuable than your toy, or that a weapon that is intended to kill people might be helpful in killing people

Actually their violent crime rate jumped 300% in the first year alone

And guns are the only remedy to those problems?

Yeah good luck having a functional modern society without motorized vehicles. We could exist without guns and live the same, if not possibly safer, lives.

When you have children, you'll understand

Speaking of which, there are 77x more deaths caused by obesity every year in America than by guns. Where is the protest against fast food?
If we're not protesting against 2.8 million deaths, why even care about 34,000?

You are wrong. Gun manufacturers design and market their wares as self defense tools. Show me one gun advertisement that shows how good they are at killing innocent people.

"Pain killers are designed to get high and addicted"

Human life is more valuable than our toy, cept it isn't a toy. It is a tool to defend your family from violent criminals and tyrranical governments which have KILLED WAY MORE PEOPLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE 20th and 21st CENTURY

Actually I'm fully aware of that. I'm not convinced however that if guns magically disappeared that person wouldn't find another way to kill. We're super inventive creatures.

Cars, alcohol, cigarettes, firearms, processed sugars...none are expressly designed to kill people. They all do when used improperly.

If you can use something improperly and kill someone then they should ban water.

someone killing themselves with fast food is not the same as someone shooting up kids.

>the same, if not possibly safer
Criminals are unlikely to surrender their firearms. Just saiyan.

Once your wife is home during a home invasion, you'll understand.

Source: that's when we bought our first gun and moved out of commiefornia

,,, mmmm.... actually, my toy is more valuable than most human lives. I've got a teeny streak of misanthropy g'wan on.

Sorry Cred Forumsros.

Of course not, there will always be murders no matter how restricted a country is. But according to what you are asking, you are saying you guys are better off not doing anything about it at all...? You know that makes no sense right

Basically right now if shootings were an arcade game the whites have the high score leaderboard but the nig nogs have the most time played. They only seem to shoot each other though. SO basically what we need is more niggers

guns are super easy to make. bullets are the hard part but give me a spent casing a bolt a hacksaw and a pack of strike anywhere matches and I'll make you a shitty bullet that will reek havoc on soft tissue

>SO basically what we need is more niggers

NO! Just NO!

That is Never the correct answer and you should KYS for suggesting it.

>Shooting happens with many people killed
>americans peform a celebratory chain
What is wrong with them?

>trusting that the manufacturer isn't manipulating you into buying their product

What is a mass shooting?

FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location, not including the shooter.

Yes!
The majority of home invasions in the UK happen in occupied homes. Criminals like occupied homes because they get purses wallets a and cell phones.
In the U.S. It is rare for an occupied home to be burgled. Criminals make sure they are empty for fear of getting shot

Here I was thinking my thoughts and prayers would have protected them. Oh well, I'll pray for the next ones.

well, it's a naturally symbolic act to people, it takes on meaning because it's intentional and dramatic and seems like a statement. It sticks in our minds and threatens us in a way like personal because of that. Also, people tend to think of schools as kind of sacred institutions, like the way we tend to think of childhood, idealized. Anyway, I don't think controlling guns would stop it because, yes, bombs are easy enough to make but it would probably make them less common, because I think, i might be wrong, but bombs are a little harder to make very effective and you have to place them in one place that is easier to police, and the components can be tracked somewhat more easily and there's less of an ability to hide behind innocent ownership of say, tons of fertilizer...the problem is elsewhere, though...but if politicians are going to point to mental health, in these cases, then it's dumb of them to interfere with easy access to that the way they often do...there solved it. All. Forever.

Did anyone see this video this morning on Face the Nation? The kid at the top left... soooooo fucking cringeworthy. The shit he was saying, and the faces he was making....
Someone needs to find a video because the meme's are dying to be released. (no pun intended)

By that logic we should discount all the suicides from the gun death statistics. Then you only have about 12,000 deaths per year. That's less than the drunk-driving deaths (13,000). Where is the protest against alcohol?

man...it might defend you from a bad sheriff but no way is it going to defend you from The Government. Not without some serious training to go along with it...which is how the 2nd amendment is written anyway.

Do you not know some of those ancient cities were in the 100,000s to low millions in population? They built pyramids and aquaducts and domed towers back with just the horse and buggy concept. It would just take your longer to visit your aunt and that's all, and maybe slightly less fresh produce at the grocer and that's all.

Why would they need to manipulate? The product sells its self. People willing to protect themselves rather than waiting for the government to come save them, will always be loyal customers.

are you going to factor in the higher success rate of suicide by gun than by other means, and the statistics for people that fail at a suicide attempt not attempting a second time?

It is if they're feeding it to their kids isn't it? Raising your kids on fast food will probably teach them to raise their kids on fast food too and before you know it there's 30 people dead from clogged arteries

Your local grocery store, pharmacy, and hardware stores can protect you from the government. You just need to learn a little chemistry and physics.
PROTIP:
In order to be able to stack the bottles REALLY high in warehouses, the neck of a glass coca-cola bottle is a parabolic cone. Use this information wisely.

People thinking that the chances of them being victims of a crime are even remotely plausible.
I live in rural Minnesota where crime rates are incredibly low, yet gun ownership and cc permits are high because people think they might get mugged going to a local store.

Guns are not the problem in shootings, it's the people involved. If there weren't a second person, there would be nobody to shoot, so it would make the situation moot. Even if the shooter were to shoot himself, there may not even be a gun involved. The vast majority of shootings do not even involve guns. The most famous of recent shootings in Las Vegas, most of the guns found in the hotel room weren't even used in the shooting.

Again: Most guns found in the shooter's hotel room in Vegas were not even used in the incident. It was like they were innocent bystanders. Does that mean they should be banned just because they were there? If you think so you are just crazy. Even the bump stocks that were made so famous in that case, those are usually sold by reputable merchants who own small businesses. But here's the best part: Bump stocks are sold almost exclusively without guns. Without guns! It is just as crazy to assume a bump stock could be used in a shooting without a gun.

People should just wake up and see the facts: Most shootings do not even involve guns.

Congratulations Yanks!

You've successfully managed to combine an aggressive, selfish and closed-minded culture, schools that promote social isolation and don't do shit for mental illness and rich pro-gun government lobbyists into a secret sauce that ACTUALLY RADICALIZES YOUR OWN CHILDREN.

Fucking wow

Dude, don't you have some INSANE Somalian population up there? It's a wonder you can cross the street without some Kangz popping a cap in your lutefisk.

Only if we factor in the relatively low success rate of vehicular homicide and the number of repeat offender drunk drivers.

how could have an interest in something like this,

And where are they now?

Supporting that many people, agriculture is always the limiting factor.

You didn't seen the worlds population skyrocket until the industrial revolution and things like the Haber–Bosch process. That's because the limiting factor (food) was no longer relevant.

And look what happened as they started restrictions on drunk driving.
To say the kids would not make their own decisions is bullshit.

...

Spoken by someone who probably thinks islamic terrorism is the #1 threat to America.

>selfish and closed-minded culture,
Now, we're only selfish because we gave you shitlords a whole bunch of cash in the 40s to rebuild Europe after we had to bail your asses out in WWII, and you Jew fucks still haven't started making payments.

And we're closed-minded, because we had a look around and didn't see anything else better than what we had already.

So... you know, that's just like your opinion. And your opinion doesn't really mean shit.

Selling peer to peer should not be banned, a record of the transaction should probably take place though.
I would say the best law would be to issue a private buyer card, where every year you do a background check to renew the card, and private sellers should be held liable if they sell without seeing a valid card. People could get it once a year when they buy their hunting license, or when they buy a fire arm from a dealer.
It's not perfect, but I wouldn't mind getting one once a year.
It would do nothing to stop school shootings though

I don't know about you but my bombs never have issues Blowing ㄟ(ツ)ㄏ

>restrictions on drunk driving.
That's an interesting position to take. Because you're not restricting the *item* involved, just its improper use. By that logic, we should not ban guns themselves, but ban murder.
Oh, wait...

>>DAVID HOGG: President Trump you control the House of Representatives. You control the Senate and you control the executive. You haven't taken a single bill for mental health care or gun control and passed it. And that's pathetic. We've seen a government shutdown. We've seen tax reform but nothing to save our children's lives. Are you kidding me. You think now is the time to focus on the past and not the future to prevent the death of thousands of other children. You sicken me.

Shuttup Ben.

To say the kid would make the right decision is also bullshit

I see someone doesn't understand how government works

pretty sure people with a history of drunk driving are restricted from drinking too

Spend a year living in the arctic cirlce, then tell me a gun couldnt be a necissary part of daily life. If you want to eat, and avoid being eaten, you'll need a gun.

Its a very valid argument within the context. An item that is designed to keep its occupants alive is killing more people than an object that according to you is designed only to kill. All despite cars being heavily outnumbered by guns in the united states.

>>DAVID HOGG: Well what I think needs to be on the books right now that isn't is literally any law that's from either side of the political spectrum. If you're a Republican that supports mental health care we want you out there making your voice heard because that's just as important as gun control or gun safety laws at this point because Democrats also want gun safety rules and we can't get into any more debates. We need discussion. We've had the debates and people have died as a result children have died and will continue to if we don't stop now and look at both sides of this because we can't wait around any longer. Children are dying as a result. And we need to take action. And I call on President Trump and the Republican controlled House and Senate and Executive Branch to work together, get some bills passed and stop taking money from the NRA because children are dying and so is the future of America as a result.

I've been in 2 gun incidences and have had a home invasion.

This is bait

>homocide :DDDD

Florida isn't the arctic circle, and for hunting and protection from predators doesn't require an AR with a 30 round magazine.

> I'm not convinced however that if guns magically disappeared that person wouldn't find another way to kill.
This logic right fucking here. This is why you Americans have no fucking hope.
Yes, if guns were all of a sudden banned like other countries have done so, the murders will go on still. But the entire fucking point of it is to remove the guns from killing people. Do you think for a second if Nikolas Cruz stormed that school with a knife instead of a gun he would have been able to injure and kill the amount of people he did?
The entire reason to ban guns is to take away the chance of them even using it. You can't just be like "oh well even if we ban guns, murders will still happen so no point", you are fucking retarded.. a fist can murder someone. We might as well turn everyone into a fucking torso with a head at that point. Take a look at other countries who have banned semiautomatic weapons and take a look at their statistics on mass and school shootings since. The proof is right there...

Nope, in many states, you can happily drive around with 6-8 DUIs on your record

How many people did you have to shoot to survive?

>Take a look at other countries who have banned semiautomatic weapons and take a look
... at their skyrocketing populations of Muslims and other niggers.

I see. Compelling.

No thank you.

/thread

>primar fails
That's kind of like loading a bullet backwards. Dylan and Eric are the exception, not the rule.

I think it's disgusting that their classmates got shot and these kids are just outside doing the conga. Disrespectful.

No, they ban their drivers license as well as no drinking, and force Alcoholics Anonymous. Furthermore to be driving in the first place you have to have a license, which involves a knowledge test, a proficiency test, and you have to renew it.
Once again, someone killing themselves on fast food, is not the same as someone killing a bunch of children that had no say in the matter. The kid could tell their parent they want salad.

Awww, look at the little baby afraid of the big bad muslims.

Conga?
I assumed it was the bunny hop.
Shows what I know.
youtube.com/watch?v=UgLL_q5FMCU

Fuck, OP's so right. Start setting schools on fire, you don't use them anyway.

You love them? You can have them.
Tell me where to send your orange jumpsuit, there, Nick Berg.

No shit florida isnt in the arctic cirlce. Which is why i said go spend time in the arctic circle you fucking idiot. It doesnt compare to florida in the slightest.

Just about everything you need for daily life in northern alaska is an animal product. If you're on a homestead in walker lake alaska, the nearest store is well over 100 miles away, and there are no roads. Need a new warm jacket for the coming -50 degree winter? Guess what? You're gonna need either a bear or wolf pelt.

Both instances were at work. Neither criminal was caught. One involved a rape. As well.
The cops in the first case took 45 min to show, I shit you not.

No no, I'm sure Faux "News" gave you a real compelling reason to be afraid of the big dark boogyman.

And you would probably carry a high powered rifle with a 5 round box mag, and either a .357 or a .44 magnum.

didn't you know there were 18 school shootings in 2018 so far

Rome, Beijing, etc. Bunch of them still here.
Also with medicine and people not shitting in the river allowed longer life's and improved infant mortality. Had we never invented the car after that, we'd probably just not grow our cities to the size of modern Tokyo.
But also the ban is on cars and motor vehicles, not trains or planes, so still getting the food to the cities isn't a huge problem.

You do realize that the 2nd Place worldwide spree killing score (84 deaths) was accomplished without a gun, right?

Those numbers are misleading to a degree. Some were incidents where a gun was discharged at a school but no one was injured.

Muslims and other niggers are not mass shooting people over here in Australia. The Muslims aren't even blowing shit up if that is your next response. Your complete lack of understanding any of this is as painful as seeing good and innocent kids die over in your country because you are all too fucking stubborn and stupid to fix it. Yea I will gladly keep my Muslims and other niggers while your country eats itself from the inside out. And you don't /thread yourself either you fucking dolt.

politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2018/feb/15/jeff-greenfield/mostly-false-18-us-school-shootings-so-far-2018-an/

Are you the type of parent that doesn't let their child leave the house because you fear they might get snatched up, even though most child abductions are not done by strangers on the street?

You know damn well that fat fuck doesn't want a salad. In fact fat or not, no kid has ever opted for a salad without a healthy dose of mind games from their parents. The kid is doomed and will go on to spread the ways of the fat

i wonder if that also includes the tradition of suicide by cop, where you threaten a school or important place with gun violence to antagonize cops into killing you.

Might as well just hand the kid a gun and get it over with. Save the system from the burden of treating their diabetes and heart condition that will eventually come from their poor life choices.

Australia?

You're a fucking prison colony on the other side of the planet! You may as well be from the Far Side of the Fucking Moon. You're irrelevant.

The only good things to come from your country were Walkabout and Skippy the Bush Kangaroo. Can't even get Amazon Prime or a decent fucking lathe Dan Undah, m8.

Go fuck yourself.

I didn't know that. Can you fill me in on the details where to read that?

My fellow liberals are going about it all wrong. We should NOT be talking about banning guns. That's a stupid and impossible task.

We need to change the discussion away from The Right to own firearms, to The Responsibility of owning firearms. There needs to be much harsher penalties for people who fail to secure their firearms.

"Failure To Secure A Firearm" should be a charge that can be brought against any firearm own who allows their firearm to be lost of stolen. Gun owners who fail to properly secure their weapons should face penalties like "Up to $50,000 dollar fine and up to 5 years in federal prison" for each lost firearm.

Failure to report the loss of a weapon should mean that if that weapon is used in a crime, the original owner is also charged with "Accessory to the Crime". So if someone is murdered with your gun that you failed to secure, then you go to trial for "Accessory to Murder".

Failure to properly document and report the sale of a firearm should also carry the "Up to $50,000 and up to 5 years in federal prison" penalty.

ANY failure to secure or report a missing firearm, and subsequent felony conviction would result in the loss of the right to own a firearm, as is already the law.

This is the kind of gun law reform we need in this country. It doesn't stop responsible citizens from owning firearms, but it does punish irresponsible weapon owners.

Link?

Google "paris truck attack"

that's literally the exact same trend gun violence has taken since the 80s. It's not the laws doing it, its the people

They won't even sign on to allowing mental health screenings to show up on background checks, yet claim it's a mental health issue. You expect reasonable from these fear mongering, irrational cowards?

You lost me at Janeanenaenae Garrrflo.

I don’t think people actually care and anything you read or watch regarding a “reaction” is at least partially an advertising campaign for some brand or organization.

The logic with banning guns to prevent school shootings is exactly the same as banning Muslims to prevent terrorist attacks. Except the people defending each of these appear on the polar opposite end of the political spectrum, and in the end nothing will be measured or reviewed for how much we prevented killings. People don’t really care, it all depends on what the storytelling coming from businesses who have something to lose says. If the Anti-Muslim groups had a better way to tell a story, Muslims would be out of the country in no time, and it could be a “liberal” move in the name of democracy. Do you think regular people vote though? Or pay attention to specific numbers? Not in a million years would we see more than 20% interest

>get robbed while at work
>$50,000 fine

I like to re-purpose memes.

No, i wouldnt, because those are heavy and cumbersome. A 16 inch barrel AR with a 20 round mag is perfect. It's lightweight, plenty powerful enough to kill wolves, and i can carry one mag and have both plenty of ammo with me, and plenty of readily available follow up shots should i miss. And at 300 yrds, shooting at a moving target, odds are fairly high you're gonna need more than one shot.

>house gets robbed
>robber breaks open safe or gets my bed gun
>in addition to getting robbed with property stolen
>have a fuckhuge fine or go to jail
This is why nobody takes you seriously, because you want to punish the victim

Only if the weapon was not 'properly secured' as defined by such a law.

guns are meant to be used as a means to self defense. the majority of the time a warning shot is enough to deter criminals. this could make the criminal think twice about commiting future crimes, as well as prevent them from harming law abiding citizens. if you need to shoot them you can also go for a non-lethal shot. not that i really give a fuck about saving a criminals life to begin with. they either cause trouble in society or suck up money being locked away. we're better off without them in our cities.

>the majority of the time a warning shot is enough to deter criminals
>you can also go for a non-lethal shot.

Wow. And just when you thought you couldn't mix gun ownership with being a complete faggot.

That's sounds a lot like "failing to secure a firearm" to me.

Besides, aren't you going to be carrying your gun AT work?

Mate. Yea I am an ancestor of a fucking potato stealer and we are most definitely irrelevant. Are we irrelevant because we aren't in the spotlight like the US? The US is in the spotlight 90% of the time for dumb shit, one of those being mass shootings which can be prevented. Everyone is irrelevant to the US apparently. I wouldn't say it's an easy fix but it is fixable.

>be sport/target shooter
>have 12 pistols
>have 8 rifles
>all properly secured in a safe
>burglar takes the safe
>i now owe the government a million dollars

>Failure to report the loss of a weapon should mean that if that weapon is used in a crime, the original owner is also charged with "Accessory to the Crime".
What part of that is supposed to make the victim responsible? You're reporting it stolen with the robbery.

>AT work
>carrying a shotgun

There is something wrong with so many of you Americans

Answer my Goddamned charge about Skippy!
I'm still bitter it was canceled and demand a reboot!

That bear is going to rape you with those puny 5.56 rounds. At least upgrade to an AR-10. At 300 yards, if you can't plan a shot with a .30-06 you deserve to be eaten by wolves.

Maybe, if yerip had guns, they'd understand.

That picture wasn't taken in the U.S. nice try tho.

>What part of that
The paragraph before it that says "a charge that can be brought against any firearm owner who allows their firearm to be stolen"

why not arm teachers with concealed carrys? that way they have a chance of fighting against school shooters instead of getting slaughtered like the olden day sheep did to jewish people

>Non-lethal shots
Absolutely retarded, either kill the fuck or let him rape your wife; you'd be less of a cuck than when you're paying his hospital bills and financing his crack addiction.

>can be
This is why you're not allowed to interpret laws.

I love how you say you need a gun to defend your home, but the second someone starts talking about you being responsible for your weapon, suddenly you're never home to defend it.

Which is it?

Either you need a gun because criminals break in to kill your family, or you DON'T need a gun because criminals break in to steal your shit when you're not there. Pick one.

Also, "Bed gun" is not "securing a firearm."

Here's an idea, why don't you ask any person who has served in the military and who has been issued a firearm what happens to them if they lose that firearm.

That was pretty interesting. What it didn't show was the percentage that we're legitimate self defense. I'd be curious. I suspect it is very low. Perhaps lower than homicide.

And, lucky for everyone, you're not allowed to write them.

You stand tall before the Man?

>Doesn't know the difference between "can be" and "shall be" but wahhh you suck at writing laws.
This is the level of stupid that you are dealing with when negotiating with the right about gun laws.

>>AT work
>>carrying a shotgun

If you faggots had your way. Amirite?

Maybe, but still doesn't change the fact that you clearly can't read.

>"Bed gun" is not "securing a firearm."
So basically you want to make it pointless for me to even have a gun because the intruder won't wait for me to unlock the safe and get it out to load it. Guns are useful for defense only if they are accessible.

>the words maaaan
>Listen to the WOOORDS maaaaaan
>LISTEN TO THE WOOOOOOOOORDS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN

Are the guns 'properly secured' as defined is law when housed in the safe?
If they are, then no fine is due.

>you suck at writing laws
Not what i said.
You're not allowed to write laws, which is good, because you're an idiot.

I'm walking around on uneven terrain on snowshoes carrying a day's worth of gear while swathed in a warm but movement restricting parka. You're also assuming i have an optic on said rifle, but i've yet to find one that can go from the warmth of the cabin, to -40 and still hold a zero.

Yes .223 is a bit small for bears, but it's plenty for other small game which makes up the vast majority of what you'll get. Usually (in my case at least) bear encounters have taken place at the cabin itself, where i do keep a 1911. Not ideal, but it does the job

Are the guns "home defense" when locked inside a safe?
If they are, you have an unrealistically considerate intruder.

You are too stupid to properly interpret law, but you shouldn't be. You should be smart enough to know the meaning of different verbs. You don't, you are too stupid. Quit trying to blame others for your stupidity.

i don't get it. whats the point in owning a gun if you're not going to use it to deter criminal activity. am i supposed to just wave it at them with the safety on and hide behind the couch while they loot my house? you sound like a big bitch

Well if they can steal your 'bed gun' before you can use it to defend yourself you're fucked anyway, so why would you leave it where they could access it before you?

such edge

It's not even possible to get rid of guns just by making them illegal

Bullshit. You are only talking about Germany and you don't have your facts straight.

REDDIT SPACING FAGGOTS GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY BOARD

If you feel the need to sleep with a gun under your pillow:

First, my condolences for living in such a shitty neighborhood / struggling with paranoid delusions.

Second, crazy idea - take the gun out of the safe, tuck it under your pillow, and a "good" nights sleep and in the morning...put it back in the safe. Wow. What a concept.

The way you secure your weapon is solely up to you. It's the failing to do so that's a problem.

I just love how this idea exposes the hypocrisy of gun owners, They want "The Right" with zero accountability.

How would anyone prove they were or weren't at that point. If my unsecured gun is stolen and i tell the cop it was in a lockbox or safe that was also taken, i've avoided the fine without following your rules.

You should really upgrade to a .44 magnum. If you are making 300 yard shots with iron sights, you shouldn't have any problems doing it with a high powered rifle either. If anything, you'll get a lot less bullet drop with something along the lines of a .270 win. I do agree with you about the small game, but considering that wasn't part of your original post, I'll just account that to you trying to further justify position by entering a different argument.

negative soldier killing is off limits. we need to comeout of these situations with no casualties do you copy

>only germany has ever done this

user i have some news for you...

It's not a grammar issue. I just think your idea is retarted and I'm glad you're not able to make laws, that's all.
You want to give people the "option" of making their gun completely inaccessible for home defense in order to avoid massive debt caused by someone robbing them. You are placing the blame squarely on the victim of the robbery and not even mentioning the thief.

Only lefties with entitlement issues want you to give up your guns.

Source?

If you're not immediately in charge of the weapon it should be locked away in a safe place and not left in a position to be used against you or your family.

Get home, go directly to safe, open safe, get gun, sit and watch TV with gun on your lap.

The Mrs. puts dinner on the table, eat with one hand, point gun at family members with the other.

Go to bed, tuck gun under pillow.

Get up, get ready to go to work, put gun in safe, lock safe, leave for the day.

>Oh no, I said something retarded so now I'm going to take that away from context when someone else calls my bullshit

Because it worked in Australia.

Simple as that.

cause the shills in our government like to use situations like theseto take power away from the people

UK and Australia are perfect examples

Muslims have literally murdered thousands of Americans, but liberals aren't crying for the expulsion of all of these killers.

>if they can steal your 'bed gun' before you can use it to defend yourself
Who are you imagining is robbing me in this scenario? Ninjas? Goku?

Civil war is coming to America. Bernie/Hilary supporters will take to the streets and force their political flavor on the gun owners of America.

Australia doesn't have Mexicans and NA Wellfare Apes.

Just abbos who'd rather piss themselves drunk than use a firearm.

The tyrannical governments of this century all began as tyrannical revolutionary movements. Not a single one slid from being a democracy into a tyranny. Widespread gun ownership if anything increases the possibility of revolution.

The standards to which the gun safe must conform by law ought to be such to make it very difficult to break into the safe or to remove from the property. For example having it welded or bolted to a fixed structure within the property

Raise taxes on guns but leave them legal. The higher price will drive guns out of poor areas and into rich ones. It will also reduce total gun ownership as guns that are ruined are less likely to be replaced

That would make it impossible for anyone in an apartment to legally store a firearm.

There are loads of things i could do better, but i use what i've got. I just happen to only have reload equipment for .45 out there, and .223 is easier for me to get in bulk. Everything that comes in or out of the cabin does so either by dog sled or cessna, so i have limited weight to work with. Ive always worried more about using that weight for essentials rather than a bigger gun.

poor people tend to cluster

>brought against any firearm own who allows their firearm to be lost of stolen
Victim blaming.
> brought against any woman who allows their bodies to be raped.
> brought against any car owner who allows their car to be lost of stolen.
> brought against any doctor who allows their opiates to be lost of stolen.

That would be up to the judge (or the jury). I would think you'd need to provide proof that you had such a lock box, and then it would be up to the judge to determine if that constituted "secure". By more measures, anything that can be easily carried away isn't "secure".

>assuming Mexicans are the ones killing people

Thank God they're your own, you stupid fucking autistic motherfuckers.

Stay in your autistic and delusional bubble, it's actually making the world better, seeing as they're finally realizing your shithole country is the fucking worst.

>The higher price will drive guns out of poor areas
Only works for legally owned guns owned by law abiding citizens. The criminal element isn't going to pay the tax on their stolen guns.

Since you're confident that the gun is securely in your custody then the point raised at is not applicable

>then it would be up to the judge to determine if that constituted "secure"
>The way you secure your weapon is solely up to you.
Pick one.

Hunting. Self-defense. Fun.

Lol no, you'll just make rich gun owners targets. The poor will use what few guns they still have to steal from the rich and sell to the poor for drug money.

Also, there would be no end to poor niggers crying out about how only the rich white man can have guns. And no self respecting liberal lawmaker wants the white man to have something better than blacks.

Most of these mass shootings are committed by autists. You think an autist has the skills to negotiate an illegal firearm purchase? It's not like you just walk down to the dock and start asking sketchy lookin dudes if they have any guns for sale and they'll sell 'em to you.

no it wouldn't

Wreak havoc, not reek.
Ed, is this you?

>Mention Mexicans and Niggers
>Use for comparison to Aussies giving up some of their guns
>....
>"Stay in your autistic and delusional bubble!"
>"rrrrrRRRREEEEEEEEEE SHIT HOLE COUNTRY!"
>Pic related

When with the left admit that guns prevent them from forcing their politics on conservatives?

Cars are far, far safer. Poor correlation.

i love that liberals and democrats start crying on tv when theres a shooting but dont have shit to say about the hundreds of thousands of children killed each year by abortion.

Elon Musk is working on a self-firing gun.

No, you're failing at reading.
The gun is useful only if it is readily available (unsecured). user countering with "well they can steal it before you can use it anyway" is ridiculous, as that was in response to a comment about how being required to keep the gun locked in a safe precludes its availability for home defense.
>"bed gun" = useful for defense
>"safe gun" = they can kill me before I can use it
These are two different situations, ergo one statement does not render the onther inapplicable.

>Mass shootings are one of the rarest ways to die.
this I never worry some random nut job is gonna pop out of nowhere and shoot me, but every time I drive I'm afraid some drunk asshole is gonna crash into me killing me while he gets thrown 40 feet from his car and somehow gets up with only a few scratches

because those aren't kids, dumbass. is an egg a fucking chicken?

You can’t ban guns in America you fucking idiot. They are constitutionally protected, and out government banned guns, there would be a civil war.

I'm pretty sure welding would be a violation of my lease.

yes, its a chicken in development. you didnt do very well in biology, did you?

>Victim blaming

Wait, you buy a gun specifically to NOT be a victim, right?

The difference between a womans body/a car/and opiods vs a firearm is that a firearm is a tool specifically designed for killing.

Here's one: You fail to secure a lion and it runs down the street and kills someone. Guess what? You're getting charged with a crime.

I asked if it was a chicken, and it's not. Pretty sure a fetus is not a child as well, it's a fetus with almost zero child-like capabilities.

the dna points it to being a chicken (or human, in the case of a fetus)....so yes, its a chicken.

It's both. You go ahead a put it under a pillow if you think that is secure. As long as it's never stolen, great you were right. But if it DOES get stolen, well now you're going to have to answer for your inability to properly secure a firearm.

I like this. My thoughts exactly.

Liberals fall into two catagories.

1. Those who lie about gun control for political
motivation
2. Those who are too stupid to figure out
banning something doesn't get rid of it.

Ban legit guns.
Sure ok so now you just buy a used gun
from a drug dealer, not rocket science.

What's wrong with taking the gun out of the safe when you're at home and putting it in a safe when you're not?

I listen to the opinion of edgy teenagers on this website who have zero life experience and take all their options to heart without question and even debate them sometimes

You should see how little of a problem rifles are compared to other types of guns. Ridiculous!

once you pass the 5th grade we can have a more sensible debate. until then, go wash your shit stained underwear.

Lions are not tools specifically designed for killing. They are living creatures evolutionarily designed for killing.

The two cannot be compared adequately because a fucking gun is an object, incapable of movement or decision.

Good job being retarded. You were so close to having a relevant point, but then you fucked it all up.

You're right. That's why I'm talking about Gun Responsibility:

>Wait, you buy a gun specifically to NOT be a victim, right?
A gun cannot protect you from being burgled while away at work. It is the victims of burglary whom your proposition will dole out massive fines to. You're trying to use the "but that can happen when we're not there" to cancel out the "but this can save me if I am there" reasoning.

then you'd have to secure the gun where it is 'properly secured' unless in your immediate possession.

>under your pillow
Wait now.. how is that secure? Wouldnt it be better to just lock up the gun, weld the safe shut, and sink it to the bottom of the ocean?

Fuck off redditfaggot

Notice, tough punishments of the bad guys doesn't prevent crime.

Are you, at ANY point, going to expect the thief to answer for any of this?
Just curious, because this "if he didn't want it to be stolen he would have secured it better" is the usual rationalization that thieves use, and this entire conversation will make a LOT more sense if I find out that you're actually a burglar who wants to have more unprotected houses he can break into.

>Why do people pretend, that mass murder is an actual problem

Because politics is a team sport these days and people just want to cheer for their team. They see a mass shooting as their team getting a first down, and they want to seem the score a point which would be some kind of legislation that would punish fans of the other team and make them mad. It's all very disingenuous.

Both are deadly and require a higher level of care in ownership.

You don't want your neighbor keeping a lion in the back yard with nothing but a 5 foot tall chain link fence.

You don't want your neighbor keeping a gun laying on a night stand.

Either one can get out of the owners possession and kill someone.

And before you regurgitate that "Guns don't kill people..." bullshit, I'll remind you that no one breaks into your house and steals your gun so they can go out and build houses with it. It's a tool with one purpose: murder.

Now you may take it out and shoot paper targets with it, but you're just practicing to murder someone. You can shoot targets with a BB gun, but people don't do that because they don't intend to use a BB gun when they want to kill someone.

lol, nice ad hominem. funny that you have to resort to fallacies to beat me in an argument. DNA points to its species, not at the stage of development. it's still not a chicken, buddy. sorry!

What if you and a member of your family are both using one of your guns, when an intruder kills your family member, takes that gun, and flees?

Your law seems very vague when it comes to other unique situations

this guns deaths are at an all-time low in the US and are way down from where they were 20-30 years ago

No we dont. Look at the rural states that do not have these type of regulations. There aren't mass shootings happening there. You're forgetting what people like to call the common sense law.

The purpose isn't murder, and anyone who is familiar with self defense laws will know that. The purpose is to stop a threat, generally through some combination of blood loss, organ damage, or central nervous system interference. Death is a predictable consequence of that, but its not the purpose. The purpose is to stop a threat.

What if they steal your hammer and dont build a house with it? And instead cave in old gram grams head with it? Is the original owner responsible?

So in other words, you have no rebuttal.

The idea that you could take a gun out of a safe when you are at home and put it into a safe when you're not never fucking occurred to you. How fucking sad is that?

Oh its the ad hominen guy again. Did you recently learn what that is, so now you use it every chance you get?

Spider-man attack, fag

don't know what you're talking about, i'm not the same dude. barely jumped in this thread but if you're not going to attack my argument, i guess we're done here. see ya, dumbass.

tell you what, when the politicians and the rich tell their bodyguards that they don't need to carry guns, I'll agree that I don't need to carry one. The left doesn't want to ban guns, they just want to ban the average common person from owning guns so that only the elite, rich and powerful have them.

No, I'm not going to attack your argument. It has made no sense since you started. Stop trolling and make yourself useful.

Nice strawman. Your concept is very easy to understand, unfortunatly it doesnt cover all the situations you could run into. Why would my gun out when im home be okay? What if someone stole it when i was home? What if someone got the jump on my and kicked my ass and stole my gun? What about when cops have thier gun pulled from their holster when theyre trying to restrain a criminal.

There are already laws on the books for people who break in and steal shit.

I am making myself useful, unlike all the crying you're doing about unborn fetuses. Which, by the way, have steadily fucking declined over the years. You're just too brainwashed by fox news to look into it yourself.

Why do we pretend that giving massive media attention is not related to the problem?

there are also laws against murdering people and we see how well they stop people from doing it

...

A hammer is not designed and built for murder. Yes, it can be used in that way, but then so can a teddy bear. As a gun owner, you take on the responsibility of owning a tool designed specifically for murder.

You're doing it right now. No one ACTUALLY seriously cares about anything. People will hear stories and rationalize their care/sensitivity by commenting or sharing a thought like yourself and what do they do to make change? Nothing.

All people really have to do is protest for change by en masse, not show up to school until change is enacted.

Its made for self defense. So if someone stole your pepper spray and sprayed an innocent person with it you should be responsible for it.

lol dipshit, self-defense and hunting are not murder, by definition

Because talking about the fact that like half of gun deaths are suicides and most of the rest are niggers murdering each other doesn't fit the media's agenda. They don't want the mass shootings to stop, because then they have no reason to talk about gun control. They would have to talk about the mental health crisis or the fact that niggers gonna nig

>Why do we pretend that if guns were gone, that people wouldn't just fire bomb schools?

Just cut the delusions right at the source. There will never be a gun ban because it is logistically impossible. What makes you think the same people who have absolutely no trouble getting heroin in the country (kills more than guns btw) will somehow have trouble getting guns in?

Brazil has extremely strict laws and their murder rate is 6x ours, they just buy on the black market or even make the guns themselves.

All these laws do is disarm families and make them defenseless.

forgot the fucking pic

Except many MANY people have said since Columbine, and still do, that the massive media attention is only fueling unstable people go out with such a heinous act. It's holding true when some of these people are being interviewed or their statements beforehand all clearly look towards media attention. The ironic part is nobody really remembers the shooter from these shootings, but many remember event.

Except we all love reading about it. Discussing it. Everytime. The media is more of a problem than the guns itself regardless of what I think about gun control.

Who are you imagining is robbing you in this scenario? Ninjas? Goku

>Why would my gun out when im home be okay?

Because you're there to use it in the exact circumstance you say you need it for.

>What if someone stole it when i was home?

Then you're a moron and you deserve to go to jail.

>What if someone got the jump on my and kicked my ass and stole my gun?

The whole idea behind having a gun is that you will protect your life, family, and home with it. Now all of the sudden, when you are expected to be a responsible gun owner, you become a bungling moron. A Barney Fife looking motherfucker struggling to put your one bullet in the gun before everyone dies. Why did you even having it in the first place if you were just going to let someone take it from you? Go directly to jail. Do not pass go.

How are you intending on protecting shit if you can't secure your firearm?

>What about when cops have thier gun pulled from their holster when theyre trying to restrain a criminal.

A cop can already be suspended or fired for failing to secure their firearm. They are specifically trained against such events.

By the way, a strawman is like when you say "weld it in a safe and sink it to the bottom of the ocean." THAT is a strawman argument.

Holy shit, what the fuck are you even rambling about?

>Its made for self defense.

Self defense by means of murder.

>pepper spray

Is non-lethal.

If people really cared about students dying they would support arm guards at every school entrance, the same way we protect anyone else in this world, with guns.

>Self defense by means of murder.
What are kneecaps?

Self defense and hunting are motivations for murder.

Do you hunt by aiming to wound only so you can consume the animal while it lives? While that would be TOTALLY FUCKING METAL, it's not how hunting is done. You kill (aka murder) an animal with a rifle. That same rifle kills humans just as easily. It is a tool for murder.

Self defense is just a euphemism for murdering someone because you are afraid of them. It's still killing someone.

>self-defense by means of murder

Murder is unlawful, by definition. Self-defense is lawful, by definition.

Unless you're some cuck living in a totalitarian country where you basically have to let yourself get murdered.

>fuckin murica doing a celebratory conga dance after the school gets shot up

So basically if someone kicked in your door with the intention killing you or seriously injuring you....

You would just let them do it?

How's the new script coming along QT

Your government didn't cuck you
You were born a cuck

I'm sorry, the Barney Fife reference was probably way before your time.

That is true for a lot of things. If media wouldn't report any (possible) act of terrorism, the phenomenon would mostly die out because they need the attention to spread fear. No media attention = no fear spread.

On the other hand, fear is a very handy tool for the government to keep the people under control: terrorism, 'the Russians', us vs them, those things gives them the power and money they want.

Anyone who's ever taken firearms training knows you shoot for the center of mass - upper chest, where the lungs and heart are.

If you're shooting at knee caps in a life or death situation then you're a fucking moron.

Oh god, it's a fucking baby boomer, no wonder you keep posting the same pic over and over and keep acting like such snotty pseudointellectual

Go share fishing videos on facebook or some shit

>argumentum ad hominem

Oh boy, I've got you playing word games now. Look at how hard are you trying to dodge responsibility.

Self defense might be your justification (and rightful one at that), but the act was still murder.

There's that pseudointellectualism we talked about old man

Did you even read the post he's replying to?
The one about guns being made as protection

i lol'd

>"I don't have to kill, I can shoot to wound."
>"No you won't because I say so"

spineless parents who don't actually raise their kids may be the problem

No dingleberry

If you defend yourself with a firearm, and the jury agrees that you reasonably feared for your life or great bodily harm, it's not murder by the literal definition of the law.

That's if you even get charged. Most people who defend their homes for example don't get charged with anything.

Painkillers are designed to get you high numbnuts, that's how they work

No. I didn't say self-defense isn't a good reason to murder someone. It absolutely is.

and there's that retardation we talked about, boy. go sit in a corner.

Wrong again. Gen-X. Still probably have 20 years on you.

And I use the same pic so I can quickly scroll through and find my own posts and reply. Welcome to Cred Forums newfag.

Stop playing wordgames dude, there's literally no point

Self-defense is lawful, it cannot be murder unless you make up your own definition for the word murder.

>yo bruh
>let's go rob that house full of witnesses

If they only wanted wallets and phones but didn't care about witnesses then they'd just mug people

says the user who misused the concept of the 'strawman'.
Pseudointellectualism is using concepts and ideas you don't understand.
I mention that just for reference, in case you didn't understand that idea either.

equating guns with cars is like equating heroin with penicillin

you fucking idiot

So first you lambast me for not caring that you nitpick about "will" and "shall", now you're lambasting him for nitpicking "murder" and "self defense"?

>i'm literally the only one who posts the same pic over and over because I'm do stupid to recognize my own posts
>lol newfag

Republican Jesus approves of these shootings.

Why are you insisting on calling it murder at times that it is not murder?

It's like you're trying to condition or prep a situation.

Fuck off.

...

>find my own posts and reply.
So you're samefagging?

I'm not telling you that you can't. Just saying that if you do, then you're a fucking moron.

and creating stricter gun legislation won't infringe upon that