So what kind of guns can Americans not buy?

So what kind of guns can Americans not buy?
Seems like everything is pretty much fair game, unless itʻs like a grenade launcher or some shit...

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Rifles, handguns, revolvers...

are you a retard?

Everything can be bought without the $200 tax stamp and the long ass wait(upwards of 10 months for me) except machineguns, short barreled rifles in

forgot suppressors user, mine took 8 months 2016-2017, not sure what the wait time is for NFA at the moment

Depends where you live but yeah anything that isnt an automatic is fair game most places. This is why people are kinda pissed off right now. Any kid straight out of the nut house can get an AR-15 from Walmart then begin firing into a crowd once he gets it. Very few people are saying to completely ban all guns, but saying we should have limits on who can just walk into any store and be approved for a gun isn't exactly unreasonable. But ya know, muh "the libruls gon take muh rights away!!"

Where I live they are working on a "built here, sold here, stays here" law that would allow us to have these without the $200 crap.

Americans cannot buy automatic weapons, nor can they buy military grade weapons

protip: an AR15 is not a military grade weapon unless it's been modified to be fully automatic, which is illegal to purchase as noted above

my hope is that you anti-gun fuckers are the first to starve to death after the EMP attack. if not those of us with guns will take your food and it'll be pretty fuckin easy

please link a walmart that still sells AR15s

(they haven't in decades)

>nytimes.com/2015/08/31/opinion/walmart-decides-to-drop-sale-of-ar-15-assault-rifles.html

It was not even two years ago so yeah still a little out of the loop but not insanely so. Walmart is still the biggest gun retailer in America, which is part of the point of ease of access for any person

>assault rifles

lmfao

what are they supposed to be? "hugs and kisses rifles"??

Hahaha amerifats are cucked out of pic related.

The eternal leaf wins again

Yes, we can buy full auto weapons, it's not easy, cheap, or quick but depending on state we can buy straight up machine guns.

Sub guns had a GE minigun for sale, needed a form 4 in Arizona and $215,000 though.

He failed to read the OP post thoroughly before responding. That doesn't make him a "retard", it makes him careless.

that gun is garbage

It's still garbage you will never own Sendai.

It's actually not bad. Action smoothed out after. 200 rounds

this just has to be bait.

too bad it has to be a post-sample.

depends on the barrel length exactly, we have garbage rods similar that which don't require a stamp.

our import laws are in fact garbage.

Heh, theres no need for such a cowardly weapon as a *chucle* shotgun when you spent your life honing your skills with the blade... I prefer to see the fear in my prey's eyes as I deliver the killing blow

That is heavily dependent on state. All NFA weapons except AOW's are outlawed in Illinois for example

grenade launchers are legal

You have to pass an NCIC check to buy a firearm and fill out paperwork attesting to your medical history. So sure, you could lie on the paperwork and make sure the nuthouse you got out of was a private facility and not a state run one... but then you would also be breaking the law to do so... people that are willing to break the law arent going to follow new ones either fyi

Depends on the paper work you want to do.

Obviously I can't buy an RPG or a tank. But basically everything is on the table given you have the money to pay for it, a clean record, and the time to wait for it.

You actually can buy a tank, including ammo for the main gun, as well as an RPG if you have enough money. You can buy a fighter jet along with missiles as well.

The only things you actually cant buy are the guidance and targeting systems for modern tanks/jets. However if you could find a foreign government to sell you one, you wouldnt even need a tax stamp for it

This is news to me. And I'm not mad at it.

tell me more user

Remember, guns promote healthy bile synthesis and prevent MS.

how do you handle recoil with this grip?

i can buy anything without serial numbers

There are multiple large private tank collections in the US. The main gun would be a registered Destructive Device, as would each round of ammunition for the main gun. ($200 tax stamp for each)

The same for the fighter jet (there are also multiple fighter jet collections in the US. In fact about a year ago someone was selling a 1990s fighter jet on Ebay) Each missile would need a tax stamp, as would its gun and each of its rounds of ammo.

The only problem is you cant buy, regardless of money the targeting or guidance systems. Not because they are illegal to own, but because no company with a US military contract will sell them to anyone other than the US military, and they are never Surplus'ed

We all know "assault rifle" combined with the black furniture makes is super scary. Clearly if it has an oak stock, it's just a humble hunting rifle, regardless if they are both magazine fed semi automatic rifles.

The only reason I knew you could own a tank is because when I was a kid I grew up in a town with a batshit crazy vietnam vet who got his rocks off driving his tank through "downtown" every weekend. There was nothing they could do to stop him so they ended up putting weight limit on the main street so he had to stay on the side streets.

I wonder what ever happened to that old guy

it's also the other features that go into making something an effective military weapon -- everything minus the select fire ability.

we all know what they mean when someone says "assault weapon" or "military-style rifle". they mean a military assault rifle that's had select-fire omitted. that's what all these "scary black" rifles fall under.

gernades? mortors rgps anything explodey i'm sure that'll change in the coming years though

literally everything he military uses. Everything. Americans can not own automatic weapons, regardless of the stupid media leads you to believe that they have military rifles everywhere. The version they can own is a dumbed down, neutered semi auto version with lower power bullets.

It is the duty of each American to assess the danger they may have to protect themselves from and arm themselves accordingly so our choices are as varied as our locations and threat types.

it depends if you want it legally or not

lower power bullets? wtf does that mean? it's all the same. you can buy all manner of different loadings and projectiles at gun stores.

also, have you never heard of a class III license? all kinds of crazy rednecks have one.

.223 and 5.56 NATO are not the same. You can still buy 5.56 NATO ammo, however most of the civilian owned ARs are only certified to fire .223. 5.56 NATO is a "hotter" round and will damage/destroy a cheap .223 rated AR.

>Americans can not own automatic weapons
that's not true, I know someone who legally owns a few full auto rifles

the price of a license, the hoops you need to jump through to get it and finding a range that will let you shoot it is another story.

There is a reason there has never been a crime committed with a legally registered automatic weapon in the US

Yep my wood stock hunting rifles are def not scary lol

you have no point. you can buy whatever loadings you please. you can buy and shoot very hot loadings with heavy bullets if you please. your gun will accept them.

you're arguing litterally nothing.

Hobbe's natural state kek

real man have no need for gun...

Things that make really big booms and things that make lots of small booms very fast unless it's a gun designed to make small booms more slowly but is fitted with device that makes it boom faster

That's the point though isn't it? I live in NJ with serious ass gun laws. Since so many people are ignorant about guns, they think anything that's all black with a pistol grip is the same as that. My friend has a basic AR with a pistol grip, no sight, no foregrip, and a 10 round mag and people are like OMG that's so crazy!

This picture makes me so mad. No woman has a taint that big. Bullshit.

yea, they're really difficult to shoot accurately. plus most gun owners aren't criminals

Actually you retard, grenade launchers ARE legal.

Guns that can't be purchased, just got to California. A fricken folding stock can make a gun illegaly. Honestly think the lawmakers of California only have knowledge of guns from John Wick and CNN

too bad getting a class 3 lisence is a pain in the ass
of course being able to have a fully automatic assault rifle or LMG would be fun as fuck,just need lots of $ and time

If he was in a nuthouse, then his backround check should be denied.

automatic weapons banned since 1987

Yeah not sure how my AK's are less scary than my ARs...... ignorance

I wish all gun owners were not criminals but unfortunately criminals can still buy guns

If you go through the relentless red tape and tax stamps, the only thing you can't own is WMDs and SAMs. Everything else has some level of tax stamp and license.

Just because a gun accepts something doesnt mean it will shoot it safely.

Try putting 9mm +p+ into a high point and pull the trigger. It will turn into a grenade in your hand. You can put .357 magnum in a .38 revolver, and the second you pull the trigger you are going to be missing a hand

you don't see why folding stocks make a gun illegal? are you simple? why do you think all modern military rifles have either folding or collapsible stocks?

this pic always makes white manlet and dicklets mad, usualy they respond like this:
>anything above 3 inches will hurt her cervix!
>size don't matter - technique matters! [tips fedora, unsheaths katana, double jumps away]

you've lost sight of whatever it was your argument was supposed to be

don't make fun of people who can double jump

Shit-tier shotty

My basic bitch Ruger AR is chambered in 5.56. It is semi-auto though. Most people won't buy a .223 chambered rifle so they aren't ammo limited.

Bait ... Don't think so. If the infrastructure is broken due to whatever reason, the thin finish of so-called civilisation quickly goes the way of the dodo. Just look at what happened in New Orleans after the hurricane and here the surrounding society was still functional

>people who break laws are doing illegal things
no shit?

You can own SAM's. There was a MANPAD on gunbroker a few months ago

We can buy grenade launchers with a $200 tax stamp bruh.

I make fun of people that only THINK they can double jump

DOUBT

Are you retarded? They have folding stocks so that they can be adjusted so they are comfortable for the shooter. Folding stocks making a gun illegal is stupid bullshit.

I want this
Y-you know.. for hunting deer..

2/3 of the lawmakers in California are socialists or outright communists
>mfw I am not exaggerating

Nah, he's genuinely retarded, what's careless is you defending his retardation.

My entire point was that the OP I was referring to was not actually incorrect when he said most civilian ARs fire lower powered ammo compared to their military cousins.

There are other differences as well, such as high shelf and low shelf receivers. Twist rate/barrel differences, and how .223 and 5.56 have very different tumble characteristics...

I had sks woth grenade launcher sites. Fire blanks and big boom.

Also tried to buy a rocket launcher when i was a kid. Like 15 and my dad wouldnt let me. Then i learned about felonis and ran like hell. Mutherfucker at the pawn shop even had rockets

So a pistol grip and telescoping stock really makes it more killy than a ruger mini-14?

it's so they can be carried around more compactly and let you exit a vehicle with them easier.
abilities a sporting rifle never needs.

That number seems a little low...

all about how much money you've got

the average american that lives in a free state will have access to pretty much any rifle or shotgun over a minimum barrel length and pretty much any handgun, sometimes with some minor licensing (in MN, it's just a $20 annual permit with a standard background check). iirc anything over .50bmg is considered a destructive device

short barreled rifles and shotguns require federal paperwork that takes 6-24 months depending on wait times and a $200 tax stamp

destructive devices include things like pipe bombs, rocket launchers and tank shells. you can own these legally, however I think each dd form carries a $400 tax and individual shells, rockets and grenades are taxed individually

so yes, in the US it is perfectly legal to obtain a fucking rocket launcher as a civilian so long as you wait on that paperwork and pay your taxes

in reality though, most gun owners have like 1-2 (((assault weapons))) and the rest is hunting rifles/shotguns and carry / plinking pistols

Walk into a Cabelas or Bass Pro and pick out any AR on the wall for under $1000. 9 times out of 10 it will only be chambered for .223. I think you greatly underestimate how many shit tier ARs exist on the market.

yep

18 USC 922(g)
If you’re civilly committed past 72 hours on a mental health hold, it’s supposed to be reported to NICS or your state’s DOJ and you fail your background check.

It would be registered as a DD

You forgot the third argument.
Bestiality is illegal :^)

it sure was shit wasn't functional. guidance for missiles and seekers for missiles are regulated by ITAR. you will NEVER get them.

This isnt strictly true.

I was put on a 72 hour hold for depression but that isnt the same thing as an involuntary committal.

Any doctor or law enforcement can place you under a 72 hour hold, involuntary committal comes from a court through due process

Modern M4's use collapsable stocks. Folding stocks are usually used by paratroopers.

That's just one example. .50 cals are banned and this year, maximum mag capacity of 5 will be put into effect. They will also start classifying many pistols as "Assault Rifles" meaning they will no longer be able to be sold in Cali.

So what if you don't need it? What does it matter to have it? Does it suddenly make the gun a deadly automatic murder machine? Get over yourself, fag.

good thing other people are capable of critical thinking otherwise we'd never get anywhere.

The real answer lies in how much you want and how willing you are to get it.

The black market is huge in the USA for firearms, and one of the predominant reason gun control and laws don't do much in the big picture. Even a lot of "reputable" gun shops (we're not talking bass pro or walmart here, but the stand alone gun stores) will sell you the right "gear" for the right price. You just need to show the right amount of money before they'll pull out their stash.

That's not even including all the Jamal's on the corner who will sell you some shit if you have the cash/drugs/whatever. You just also need to be savvy enough not to get raped and murdered when they try to steal your shit before you steal theirs.

The unfortunate truth is that gun control will work to a certain point; but people hell bent on shooting up a school or whatever are probably gonna do it anyway. They'll just go to Jamal or the local gun store and set up a meeting by flashing the cash. It's stupid simple if you're not afraid of dying/getting arrested.

Didn't work in US vs stewart or the Gonzales vs Raich pot defense

Good thing people with your levels of critical thinking haven't managed to remove our rights entirely yet, else we may as well just wipe our ass with the Constitution.

That is true. Guidance systems are pretty much never available, though they arent outright illegal to own. That said even the newest Stingers have manual fire modes like a Javelin does

many, many military rifles around the world use folding stocks

Anything full auto and making it full auto is like 10 years of Federal bubba fucks you in the ass prison. Also no sawing off shotguns allowed. Also can't get hollowpoints in like, most states I think.

A semiautomatic AR-15 is about as powerful as it gets unless you actually think meme loads like .577 Tyrranosaur or .600 Nitro Express are anything more than something you use to kill a Cape Buffalo.

>The unfortunate truth is that gun control will work to a certain point; but people hell bent on shooting up a school or whatever are probably gonna do it anyway. They'll just go to Jamal or the local gun store and set up a meeting by flashing the cash. It's stupid simple if you're not afraid of dying/getting arrested.
if all of the spree shooters have to do this to get their gun, spree shootings will become incredibly rare.

Montana has had built here stays here gun laws on the books for over a decade and the DoJ has never even mentioned challenging the law

Hunting rounds are far more powerful than an AR-15. Elk are harder to kill than people. And hollowpoints have been common everywhere I've ever lived.

depends on where you live.

This is also true. In hunting terms, humans are on the small end of medium sized game

Unless you have a class-3 weapons permit and certain permissions, anything that is fully automatic or explosive is off the table, stuff like Tannerite and blackpowder are okay though.

Actually i have my level 3 for full auto and i have a can LEGALLY. So youre....dumb? Yep. Also ar 15 WHAT , what caliber ? Jesus you dont shit about weapons

>modidied
>u mean oops i forgot pin...

Bitch you can have a 1 inch barrel 12 guage if it has a true pistol grip its a pistol.

Retarded leafs btfo

It is legal for americans to buy non-automatic weapons of the following variety;

Rifles, Handguns, Revolvers and shotguns.

Americans can still buy shockwaves / 590s lmao...

ones that cost more money than they either personally have or that a credit card company will let them use.

i think that's only true if they were put in there against their will.

The only thing that makes me mad about that photo is how retarded it is. It shows a complete lack of intelligence and grounding in reality and displays just how religiously niggers actually believe that myth. I've walked in on a nigger who constantly bragged about being supersized and laughed my ass off because even flaccid I'm bigger. But since you mentioned the cervix I'll point out how painful it is for her to actually have an average guy try to penetrate hers, let alone the supposed giant dick niggers like to pretend they have

aks are the guns bad guys use, ars are the ones good guys use.

>suggests it's a common sense and reasonable idea to remove the right to buy certain firearms
>mocks people who believe liberals want to take away gun rights

If you can't understand that this is a removal of rights, and that this is a literal rinse and repeat of past liberal behavior, you should neck yourself and do the rest of the world a favor.

Whether or not it's reasonable to create additional laws or if those laws would be effective, liberals are essentially coming across as disingenuous when they simultaneously suggest taking away rights while mocking people who don't want their rights taken away. So of course people with an interest in keeping said rights will be opposed to you.

Why this is so fucking hard to understand, I'll never know.

I'm not so sure. I think we would see a relatively short downward trend, followed by it going back to where it used to be (where we're at now).

At first, people would be confused and not know how to obtain the guns anymore, you're right. But then as soon as the first person figured out how and committed a mass shooting - the media would be all over it "Timmy obtained the gun from X gun shop by flashing cash" or "Johnny obtained the gun from a local dealer, Jamal Tyrone Jr. by flashing cash"

Suddenly you have everyone else doing the exact same thing, copycats. It's literally the same thing now. After Columbine everyone decided to be a copycat killer, a mass shooter. The more the media reports on the "evil ar-15" the more we see people using..... AR-15's. It's not a coincidence.

If we saw the media reporting on people using mossbergs or AK47's you'd suddenly see mass shootings happening with those guns more often.

>That's just one example. .50 cals are banned and this year, maximum mag capacity of 5 will be put into effect. They will also start classifying many pistols as "Assault Rifles" meaning they will no longer be able to be sold in Cali.
Are you spreading disinformation just for fun?

bla bla bla whiteboi

I wish I could make up new history when I feel bad too.

hahaa O hope youre joking

Fires the exact same bullet. Just not full auto.

>now its not military grade

What are you going to tell me next? that a Walmart ar-15 would hurt less then a military one?

>be me
>just hanging out in the warehouse after being manufactured
>finally getting shipped to retailer
>get put on display for potential purchasers
>mfw.gif someone actually decides to buy me!
>owner takes me home
>cleans me up real, real nice
>be so fucking shiny
>feelsgoodman.jpeg
>owner now decides to go and put me to use
>be a little nervous
>its okay, im made for this
>owner now takes control of me
>we start heading towards where he wants to go
>we then see several people
>theyre walking, minding their own business
>suddenly, for no reason, my owner kills them, but he uses me to do it
>feelsbadman.jpeg
>mfw he just drove right into them
>mfw the cops arrived and arrested the man
>mfw the tow truck came and picked me up to get repaired and eventually resold to a new owner
>mfw my previous owner is doing life in prison
>mfw no one ever blamed me for the murders
>mfw im a car

How come when a car is used to kill, it's the driver's fault, but when a gun is used to kill, it's the gun's fault?

But he'd do better with a handgun, he could run in close and get a lot more people, way lighter, can carry more ammo, just better handling all around for a school shooting since we know nobody's got kevlar or ceramic armor, we know there will be no anti-personnel designs, traps or other defenses. The other kids aren't also shooting at you with scoped rifles from really far away, nor are they in a deliberately confusing complex surrounded by mines and razor wire. Eric and Dylan had it right: The easily controlled but vicious TEC-9 is the ultimate school shooting weapon. People are soft, fuck caliber just get lead on target.

Counters to my argument are...what, DC beltway sniper? Texas clocktower? Mandalay bay? DC and Texas both used semi-auto sniping accomplish-able with a bolt-action rifle, Mandalay Bay...why did he have 50+ guns in that room again? I really think the FBI is not telling us something and I think that something is them coming after the "well organized militia(s)" that the government didn't have a problem with and viewed as just americans being american until...well until this SJW shakedown, I think the FBI actually BELIEVES "white men are terrorists" and that dude shot up that country concert to suicide+punish their interference in the operation of their "well-regulated militia".

Rpgs at a pawn store... hmmm

You won't look like swiss cheese anyways

With your face! Duh

>Amerifats are cucked.

Fucking leafs...

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What..

If i shoot a full clip, in semi auto. You would be just as dead as if i did it in full auto.

Also, no military ever shoots full auto.

>"if not a rifle, theyd just use a pistol!"
>mfw youre using "ban ALL guns!" rhetoric to try justify doing nothing about guns at all

Americans have a duty and obligation to rely on themselves for protection.
Taking away somebody's means of protection when they're surrounded by wolves just to watch them die is murder.
"Gun control" is murder.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0

While I'm appreciative of your desire to keep 2A intact, your facts here are almost all wrong.

First, Americans can buy automatic weapons if they pay for the $200 tax stamp, pass the background checks and can afford to spend new Honda Accord money on a firearm.

Second, all weapons are military grade. This is a nonsensical statement made by liberals interested in creating fear of the thing they don't like. Yes, even your pump shotgun is military grade. Inevitably liberals will point out that the technology in a pump shotgun is extremely old and not used very often. The m16 platform is also old as dirt. And militaries across the globe use pump shotgun.

Third, a few words about modifying weapons for full auto: while this can be done on SOME AR15s, it does not consist of filing down triggers or whatever the hell liberals are suggesting. The auto seer mechanism is a completely different animal than a standard trigger group. This requires more room inside the gun to fit the extra pieces, which isn't universally there. Many AR15s have what is called a "high shelf", which would need to be killed down to "low shelf" specs by an experienced machinist to fit an auto trigger group.

Not trying to pick on you user, I just want to do my part in preventing the spread of misinformation.

True but only if you're sporting Parkinson's. You've obviously never shot a moving target outside of playing paintball or airsoft lmao.

The statistics of guns being in self defense is laughably low.

Make a better argument you dumb fuck

not even lmg and hmg?

Aren't mini guns actually legal because their action isn't the same as a regular auto and the law doesn't cover them?

more likely to kill a family member (premeditate or accidental) or yourself. But thats what makes Amerikkka so great (if white.)

It must also have been built before 1986.

Because less deadly or some illogical bullshit

It does cover rotary action.

I swear to fucl it's true. I even got a pic. Was back in the day i carried a digital camera in my pocket. One of those placed so full of shit you cant even park there. Mutherfucker saod the rockets were high but worth it.

Still want that mutherfucker but i like my asshole unfucked...

>more likely to kill a family member (premeditate or accidental) or yourself
which only proves most people are retarded. we already knew this

makes no sense for them to carry explosives

The pro-murder mental gymnastics are really getting intricrate, I see.

If you love your guns so much, join the military.

Many states have non criminalized pot but the feds will still arrest you
So they're working on laws for NFA though?

>grenade launcher
You can buy a grenade launcher,it's the grenades that are against the law silly billy

Specifically North American egos but yeah

> no military ever uses suppressing fire
I mean, it's there more to keep people's heads down than for actual killing, but the military uses a lot of full auto fire.

technically you can buy a grenade launcher
>tfw the man wont let you buy those sweet grenades

someone hit the pawn shop?

Do you understand that guns are the only things Americans have to protect themselves from crime?
Do you really expect every Anerican getting stabbed to call for military help?

That's what my Drill Sergeant told me, but after experiencing war first hand
That's not how that shit works at all

Anything that could protect the citizens from an oppressive government are extremely illegal.
Anything that helps reduce the surplus population is available, however.

This is next and it's a perfect example of why Americans, and in reality the rest of the world, have no concept of the phenomenon happening in this country.

A handgun can be easily concealed. I can imagine a scenario where victims unknowingly run right into the path of an active shooter because they don't see a big rifle in his hands...

Now, when we inevitably ban the AR15, and when this shit continues, liberals will immediately switch to "let's ban handguns" instead of trying to ascertain why people are so interested in mass murder these days.

The statistics of being murdered due to a lack of weapon is screamingly high

Even if you use lowball numbers instead of the 2 million put out by the NRA, there average 67,740 defensive uses a year. That is 6 times the number of homicides. And this is a NYT lowball number.

takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/

Ah, I stand corrected. One can wish though...

Bait

few weapon designs are as reliable as the old pump shotgun
>my mossberg 500 i inherited from my grandfather is 45 years old and after literally thousands of rounds still cycles like it did when it was new

I understand what you're getting at here, but 1986 was just the cutoff for manufacturing new weapons for public consumption.

Have you gotten to level 4 yet? I can't seem to get past the boss on level 2

>when we inevitably ban the AR15
yeah, no

the combination of range and rate of fire is the issue but okay

How do you guys feel about bumpstocks?

they're somewhat difficult to use at first but fun

Agreed. A firm argument can be made for the idea that reliability is king in a conflict. Which is exactly why we still use what we use and why the military grade statement is so retarded.

That damn 4th Amendment..... Lets get rid of that shit. No one has that shit anymore anyway, right?

It'll be 2013 all over again, as soon as ban legislation started getting talked about, people started grabbing up AR's left and right in stores lol

Americans can buy any weapon as long as they have the right tax stamp and are approved by their local law enforcement.

Tax stamp... $200 each before the asking price and delivery costs.

Were you good at controlling it? You think its okay for them to be easy to get?

...

hook line and sinker

A novelty. Good for shooting at the range, but not much else.

Most mass shootings are not taking place at rifle ranges. The Nevada shooting was so devastating because it literally hasn't been done since, say, the Bell Tower Sniper. The rate of fire is likewise nothing more than what a handgun can attain.

Stop being overscared of tools. A healthy respect is fine, but fuck, bud, be scared of kids.

booze, beer, babes, fine wrist watches and guns... oh, and a fucking antique camera because reasons.

very fedorian.

not at all, wildly inaccurate. i have no problem with bumpstocks

I think you're missing my larger point.

You WILL see an assault weapons (liberal definition) ban within the next decade. It will not change the frequency of mass shootings. This will be due to a combination of weapons being available through illegal means, and through perps using legally purchased firearms, such as handguns.

I'm suggesting the America has a serious cultural problem that runs very deep. This will prevent any legislation from being effective.

>Good for shooting at the range, but not much else
Vegas.

Nonsense.... The difference is in the SAAMI specifications. There is a slight difference in the brass case nothing more.

Go to SAAMI and see for yourself

Took me two weeks in AZ & Month for automatic. $400

Go ahead and read that second link I was responding to. Go on, bud. Do it for daddy.

Its the ease of access of tools and the retards/kids using them to kill. Sadly most of the proponents for people wanting to expand them legality are some of the most batshit people you'd ever meet.

Automatic weapons are not legal.

You can own an explosive, but using it legally is another issue.

I dont get the Ban the ar15 nonesense
the surplus sks I bought for 100 bucks years ago is also semiautomatic and was a front line military weapon. Should they ban that rifle too?
Ban all magazine fed semi-auto rifles?
Most semi auto hunting rifles are also magazine fed.
the ar14 isnt more lethal any other semi auto rifle it's just more popular.
>id rather have an ak personally

making guns harder to acquire, means less people have guns -including criminals. That's how it works in the rest of the world.

>You WILL see an assault weapons (liberal definition) ban within the next decade.
youre getting pathetic at this point. its not happening. gun sales sky rocket after every single one of these over-publicized incidents of some retard on anti-depressants who spergs out

Really, in what non US country are you writing about? 40mm launchers are NFA DD and require tax, so are HE rounds ($200 tax each) and need to follow laws to store explosives.

what link?

you can legally buy a tank

This argument is retarded and you know it.

Guns are made to kill, they have no other purpose. Sure they can be fun to do target shooting with but thats not what they are for.

Cars are made to transport people. But sure, you can kill people with them, duh.

Same reason why I can go into any home depot and buy a chain saw.

The black market and ease of access is the problem. Everytime you see a an obviously mentally deranged person in the hide-lines for mass murder you will have someone who will be on some forum supporting his "right" to have that access even though it was readily apparent to everyone else around them that they were psycho.

I had a gun within my reach since I was 5 years old.

Ease of access isn't a problem. What we need to do is have a mandatory gun safety month, say, at schools. Everybody learns how to fire them, how to operate them safely, and how to handle them safely. Instill a respectable fear into these kids for them. Then we will be good. At least better than what we are.

The second post link in my post you responded to, son.

the ruin your rifle, i played with one on an ar14 however they kill accuracy and really degrade the barrel if used for very long at all.

Kek'd good sir 1/10 made me reply

Wouldnt be surprised if they did that because they themselves were mentally ill and feared that he would disarm them.

>250,000.00 price tag

Look, I get the fact that people have a sincere desire to stop mass shootings and that they sincerely believe that access is most of the issue.

With that said, shouldn't you be equally afraid of the mental illness epidemic in the US and the idea that people capable of mass murder will continue to be walking the streets? If a car can be used to mass murder, and bombs can be improvised to do the same, shouldn't our focus be on identifying potential threats?

Just like how hard it is to get guns in Mexico...

The romance around the guns should of died with the cowboys. People become conceded pricks when you mislabel a casing.

Not true. See

degrade because of the rof?

They're not even made for actual or practical application. It's merely novelty accessory for fun. Any gun can be bumpfired, you don't need a specialty stock to do it.

>Be me want to commit mass shooting go to store to pickup semi auto best mass shooting device I can find buy shit tons of ammo.

>Guy behind the counter say you have to fill out this form send it in wait 4 months take this to your local law enforcement and get fingerprinted and have them sign this.

>Fuck I'm not that committed to this fuck it ill just go home and jerk off to traps.

vs

>Be me want to commit mass shooting go to store to pickup semi auto best mass shooting device I can find buy shit tons of ammo.

>Guy behind counter says fill out this peace of paper thanks here you go have a good day.

>Next day I'm walking into the biggest crowd of people with a hundred round drum mag just unloading a hundred rounds of uncle Sam's caboom boom at over 60 rounds a min.

Its only common sense so stop this.

not him but yeah. they're burn out a barrel pretty quick

The romance of swords has still barely been dying down in japan.

The gun represents security to people. Safety. And when people look at other people and wish to take away their safety and have not even a passing understanding of it, yeah they tend to get upset.

Can't buy a gatling gun :(

why even live

>they have no other purpose
Found the hopeless retard.

>collecting
>target practice
>home defense
>hunting
>faux rape sexual fantasies
>emergency hammer
>door stop
>signalling device
>personal defense
>personal sexual gratification
>lulz

yeah the barrels arent designed for such antics.
we ran about 300 rounds with one and it definitely impacted the barrel

>NFA weapons are weapons that are heavily restricted at a federal level by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. These include automatic firearms (such as machine guns), short-barreled shotguns, and short-barreled rifles. Some states and localities place additional restrictions on such weapons.

Commonly banned items:

Explosive weapons
Gas guns
Exploding bullets/projectiles
Machine guns
Short-barreled rifle or shotgun ("sawed-off")

>This user is far too experienced and sensible for this thread

Agrees.

I see your point, and it's valid.

However

Understand that attaching mental health to the ability to own a firearm scares people who have heard many liberals say they support a full gun ban through whatever means necessary. In addition, the interpretation of mental illness is open and could be twisted so that almost no one could own firearms. A wet dream for some and a nightmare for others. Understand that this is the reason why people are so defiant when this is brought up.

Ive always considered it a mental illness issue first.
expand background checks. Make it take a lot more effort. Make it so someone with a weak fortitude and a ilking for murder wouldn't be able to get access. Maybe even require 2 underwriters?

>>faux rape sexual fantasies
>>personal sexual gratification

You, sir, are doing God's work.

How about when someone can't spell conceited? Are they conceited or just laughing at ignorance?

I legally own a short barreled shotgun. Paid my $200 tax stamp and passed my background check.

You are incorrect.

Not all states allow you to own one. So, you're not fully correct.

That's exactly my point actually, your assumption I'm pro-gun is entirely based on that I'm an American. I would like to see one of two things happen in this country, a total gun ban with forced recollection on top of a buyback program, this would include amnesty for any currently illegal posession. Or, I would like "Gun Control" to go away, be repealed in every sense and for people who wish they were a Euro to just shut the fuck up and resume being the betas of our society.

Anything in between is a joke because of the technical truths of firearms, combat tactics and human behavior. As long as any wanna be gangster can have a 9mil for 200 bucks I want to be able to have all the guns.

>It is legal for americans to buy non-automatic weapons
You can buy full autos too, they just have to be a certain age is all

sorry on a shitty mobile typing this while doing forklift shit.

>760429803
full auto not allowed

>The second post link in my post you responded to, son.
non sequitur, grams. Red fucking herring. Just tell us why Vegas is irrelevant regarding the banning of bump stocks.

age, credit, career backgrounds, criminal history etc

Reminds me, I saw a Brit show where a police chief said he wouldn't issue a gun permit to anyone insane, and he considered anyone who wanted a gun insane.

I would like to see stronger background checks myself.
my certifiably (as in they have given him multiple vaccys in the mental ward) bi polar brother decided to buy a handgun for who knows what. he passed the regular checks it took my mom finding out about and going to the pawnshop and showing them he was crazy to put a stop to it.

Mexico a third world shithole. How about that wall, btw?

This its impossible to tie mental health with gun owner ship many people may suffer from depression but that doesn't mean they should by disqualified to own a firearm however they should be removed from society until they are competent and no longer depressed or in a state of mental crisis.

Bumpfire stocks are an obvious jury rigged solution to get around machine gun ban laws. They are a natural free market solution to the gap caused by the bans.

I think they are stupid and should be legislated the same way as a fully automatic weapon. A semi-automatic weapon is one which fires one bullet for each time the user pulls the trigger, but doesn't need to be cocked manually in between each shot. With a bump fire stock you never actually "pull the trigger", it uses momentum to move the entire gun assembly while your finger never actually moves. Its not a conscious discrete muscle action for each bullet, hence automatic.

The legislation of whether or not machine guns should be banned is an entirely different discussion, I just think that bump fire stocks should also count.

Forklifts improve driving skills, did for me anyway

>mosin
>no kar98k

I am disappointed

I don't understand, how did the white guy get his dick in there soft. And how is the black guys prosthetic hooked to his bladder?

>The perpetually friend-zoned guy implying
>implying

Thank you for your reply but I am aware of what they are and how much they can change a rifle.
Im also in your camp concerning the legality of it all.

Tell me why the New York stabbing spree doesn't mean we should ban Chef Knives, kiddo.

Until you can understand that outliers should not dictate the center, you cannot understand what you ask for.

You never shot a gun ever why lie? is everyone in this thread from your marketing firm?
Fuck you guys

I didn't realize a piccany rail and telescoping stock (most common option vs fixed) makes a scary imaginary "assault rifle". It's functionally no different than a Ruger Mini-14 but no one is calling for it because it doesn't look scary.

I wonder who sits around and makes these.

Weve been day drinking (almost 1 here), boss is outa town for a whole month and told us to take it eeasyyyy

All calls for gun control are gun grabs. This hardly ever comes up until there's an incident, then everybody gets all exercised about it. For a couple of weeks. Then nothing happens because nothing proposed is ever A) Constitutional or B) effective.

Want to stop school shootings? Stop sending kids to mega schools where it is impossible to avoid tribal class structures and possible for the mentally ill to become weaponized in the shadows.

>career backgrounds
If you mean this in some sort of background check then sure but you don't need a job to necessarily buy any gun as long as you have the money and in certain states the paperwork too. Every time I buy a gun from a shop it's a breeze because I have nothing on my record, though there's hardly any record of my existence overall(If I were a gun dealer this could either seem like a really coo thing or really sketchy and they should choose not to sell to me honestly)

>22 never held a job in my life and trade stocks/cryptos

Unfortunately when asked what constitutes an "assault rifle" most people think AR-15 or black with a magazine. My Ruger 10/22 would fall under that desciption lol

I actually can buy a grenade launcher

I'm sure there are some methods to keep severely mentally ill people from accessing firearms. Universal background checks, including mental health history in evaluation, etc.

Understand though that there is a history of bait and switch when it comes to lawmaking in this country. Conservatives and liberals don't trust each other inherently because of it. People well and truly believe that at some point, being depressed will be identified as a reason to not own a firearm. How many Americans have been diagnosed with depression?

Unfortunately, no one on the conservative side of things believes that liberals won't exploit that kind of language in a law to remove as many firearms as possible.

I truly wish there was more honesty and trust, because we do need to get past the idea of gun laws in order to address the real issues here.

because committing a mass murder with knives takes alot of planning and usually a shit ton of other people. Knife attacks are mostly politically motivated.

Yes, and no. I agree with a lot of your post, but there is intentional muscle force to operate a bumpstock. You nee constant and consistent forward push with your forearm, otherwise there isn't enough spring to propel trigger group into your finger.

>Tell me why the New..
no, I asked you something, stop deflecting. Answer my question or fold your shit, grandma.

Yes, if you get a permit through the ATF.

Fair enough. But, the original post implies that this is universal or a federal law, which it is not.

Im not that user but I dont see the need for that type of response. They do cause damage especially if you let it ramp off too many shots.

Ah, got'cha.

Tell me more about how you bypassed the NFA, I would very much like to do so myself

When machine guns are defined as something other mechanically than a bumpfire stock. Redefining a bumpfire stock as one can cause a slippery slope on which other parts like triggers, muzzle brakes etc could be drawn into.

Land of the free, you can get anything here as long as you have the paperwork/licenses. I love this country and if need be I'll die for it and everything it was founded on/for.

>not all NFA items are “banned”
>only new machine guns are banned
>old machine guns can be purchased
>sometimes expensive, e.g., machine guns
>need tax stamp
>need local law enforcement approval
>state or local law can outright ban NFA items at their discretion, e.g., California
So much goddamned disinformation in this fucking thread.

The las vegas attack didn't take a lot of planning? And from all the different rumors, other people?

I answered your question if you were to finish reading the post. Stop being a child.

You are aware the purpose of the 2nd amendment is not to allow us to protect ourselves from robbers right?

Its so the population has the means to up-rise and kill the lawmakers if the times get desperate enough. That's what is so ironic about the anti-gun politicians.

Nobody's going to take anyone's guns away.

2016- after the Pulse Nightclub shooting, Democratic members of congress hold a 24 hour sit-in in protest of gun violence.
Legislation introduced: None
2017- A man with a surplus SKS rifle literally fires at members of congress playing baseball
Legislation Introduced: None
2017- a few days after the Las Vegas Mirage Hotel shootings, the largest mass shooting in US history, the idea of banning or regulating "Bump Stocks" for semi-automatic rifles is brought up informally by congress.
Legislation Introduced: None

settle down, gun nuts
the debate is over, and your side has had it won for decades
the occasional mass murder of innocent people is just the price the rest of us have to pay

youtu.be/hCCT8JtwQeI

That's an adjustable stock. A folding stock is to make it more compact.

I'm actually not assuming anything. I didn't think there was enough in your post to ascertain if you were pro or anti gun.

But I agree with your sentiment. The in between is a joke and really nothing more than a means to buy votes from scared people.

Just makes him American

lol you can bump fire with a standard stock, it's a human pet trick, seen my cousin do it...and then a park ranger came and lectured us for half an hour

also I could make one in my garage from just stuff, it's really not a complex device, ffs you people need Jesus and shop classes

>ar14
Clearly one worse than an AR-15 but four better than an AR-10

>I answered your question if you were to finish reading the post
no, you asked me another question instead. Stop being senile.

The 4th Amendment... Crazy people's privacy trumps the background check databases.

That is new manufacture for civilian ownership not Police or Military.

Not legally at a gun store or something. Surprise, surprise that a criminal would break a law about purchasing a firearm, when denied firearms though.

.357 won't fit into a .38SPL... the case is too long. Forcing cone, fella.

>abilities a sporting rifle never needs.

Ummmm what? there is a whole group of folding and breakdown hunting rifles for carry or transport. Sorry, that is a logical fallacy.

Bump stocks are a gimmick. I'm fine with banning them. People buy them for the fun of it, and it does convert a semi-auto rifle into a semi-functional automatic rifle. In reality a semi-auto would be more deadly in the hands of a half competent person, but if some nut got loose in a crowd with a bump stock, it could be bad. I'd be fine with a ban.

The problem is it never stops with just that.

You don’t need a permit

I would argue that it is for ultimate self defense, inclusive of the bear down the street, the robber down the street, or the lawmaker down the street.

because normal people dont hold fetishism for guns. You can probably blame Hollywood's gun choices for movies though.

Public image and the gun looks scary, what is there not to get? Its easy to make people uncomfortable when you wave around that gun (a super common one) and talk about all the shootings it was involved in. Its become a symbol for the anti-gun agenda pushers.

I don't know if it's possible or even constitutional, but I do know this is exactly what some want.

Depressed people commit suicide and homicide every day. Enough of a reason for liberal minded people to advocate for this sort of thing.

pay a tax and follow the other requirements CLEO sign off, fingerprints, etc.

which is why you're a fucking retarded American.

Not that user but it all depends on the state you're in. Weird to me that other countries don't realize that each state has their own lies and it's all down to which one you're in.

>stronger background checks
The background checks in my state can bench press 200 lbs and do consistent reps on 75 lb arm curls.

Machine guns are extremely expensive here.

make your plea non-partisian and it might help.

Could you elaborate?
Ty.

Good points.

Having not attended a mega school such as you describe, I have no idea what that might be like. I do think that bears some investigating though.

I love ak's. They're so simple. So much tolerance. Really a beautiful design. And the best thing is nutjobs don't seem to like them for mass shootings. Go figure.

>machineguns, short barreled rifles in

I’m aware, because I took that picture in Nevada

Jesus, do you have a mental deficiency? Should we have thrown you to the wayside at birth?

I pointed out, by my question and then by the follow up, that an outlier should not determine what happens in the norm. An attack like Las Vegas is a one in 50 years kinda thing.

>multiple shooters during vegas
Okay I see where your viewpoints are.

thats exactly what happened we fired way too many rounds in too short a time. you really shouldn't shoot 5 mags dry as fast as you can with a bump stock just to see what happens.

sure kid

Retard alert.

Ignoring all the nonsense, hunting and home defense both are centered around its role in killing.

A gun it meant to kill, a car is meant to drive. Please, for the sake of those who work hard to stop the tide of anti-gun bullcrap, don't use that argument anymore. It makes the rest of us look like morons by association.

Sabatti rover thumbhole here

I didn't mean you don't know, I meant other people in the thread
With as much firepower is out there in the whole country you would think that people would be really scared of a GL before any rifle because one shot can fuck up multiple people and cause structural damage.

I never said multiple shooters. I said multiple people, sure, but not multiple shooters. I didn't even say the other people were in on it. The busboy that carried up his luggage, say.

But great projection.

give a rifle a carbon stock and a cpl rails and oooo its an Assualt Rifle everyone hide

>An attack like Las Vegas is a one in 50 years kinda thing.
spree shooting happens all the time in the US, what exactly makes Vegas so unique? The bump stock? That made it more effective. The high-ground position of the shooter? Same, but not exactly a genius novelty. Explain your archaic ass, grandpa.

Bear in mind anyone can build one of these from parts they get from the hardware store.

For the uneducated it's the Luty Submachine gun. You can buy the book with in instructions on amazon. Or even just google it.

With things like this and Defense Distributed's Liberator, gun control is a moot point.

in certain states you can own literally anything including grenade launchers

Not true user. Let me lay out why:

The Trump phenomenon and the interaction between him and the Republican party will cost the republicans the Senate for sure, and probably the house. I have my doubts that Trump could survive a reelection and I doubt the republicans can prop up a better candidate.

That means sweeping gun legislation. Expect a smorgasbord of liberal ideas being crammed into an 800 page bill, or motions to repeal the 2A entirely.

That's my prediction at least.

Guess Im the moron now.

In reply to this...

We need to ban that tactical sniper rifle!

>the debate is over, and your side has had it won for decades
>decades
nah a little longer than that. since the founding of the country really, especially considering those were the tools used which ultimately lead to it's creation in the first place

>the occasional mass murder of innocent people is just the price the rest of us have to pay
the occasional mass murder of innocent people has happened throughout human history and will continue to happen due to our nature and wolves in society*
fix'd

>arizona a best

I doubt it.

Actually they used to be the "scary" media gun before AR-15's replaced them, and yes some nutjobs did. Guy in UK shot up kids in a school, same happened in California. I'm sure there are more

If your graduating class is larger than 100-150 people, you have almost no chance of knowing your fellow students at all, let alone very well. The amazing thing is that we don't have a mass shooting at schools every week the way we warehouse kids without developed frontal lobes. And now we throw them into a world of Facebook and WorldStar to boot.

If these gun enthusiasts took a bigger stand against the mentally ill's ability to get a gun we would all be singing a happier tune. (with less dead kids)
However they seem to juxtapose themselves as the mentally anguished themselves when these types of conversations come up and feel threatened that the goberment is taking thier guns, which doesn't help the rest of the enthusiasts look sane.

CNC Machining makes a weapons ban pointless.

Anyone is able to buy an 80% lower for several kinds of firearms and machine the last bit.

The programming will progress to the point that a lower doesn't even need to be 80% any more.... A 100% billet will be suitable.

>all the retards itt that don't know anything about guns and just follow what the media tells them

All correct until you started talking about guns

Seriously, and the kit is only about $800

When was the last time a shooter took a fortified, elevated position and shot down into a mass crowd that was more or less contained in an open air environment?

Just the one? Alright then.

Jesus fuck, kid, this isn't rocket surgery.

Fully automatics guns are pretty much a no no, the licensing required is extremely expensive not to mention the price of the weapons themselves.

Most explosives especially military surplus are outlawed.

Open bolt semis are typically illegal to make due to ease of transition in a fully automatic weapon.

Guns from Russia are banned due to import restrictions which really bums me out because I like Russian weapons the most.

Certain ammo types are outlawed, the armor piercing type of 5.7x28 that the Five Seven shoots is banned here for example.

Im a full on conservative and fully advocate that If you can function in day to day life and could possibly be a danger to yourself or others you should get help don't be afraid of stigma or whatever don't set and suffer in silence but really this is the American way and it should change.

You're now conflating hunting with mass shooting because they're both about killing?

Grocery stores sell ground beef. Grocery stores are kill.

Stop poasting.

so, why don't the murderous muzzies and other criminals in gommunist Europe, where guns are pretty much banned, just build their own machineguns?

so the patriot act allows the government to know that I fap to hentai but they cant do anything about arming a crazy kid?
Thanks Fed

Don't take the bait user...

youtube.com/watch?v=Q5cwP1HmEGo
youtube.com/watch?v=YpHQ-tkTI8M
>tfw you realized there is currently an unknown amount of unserialized, unregistered firearms in the us being manufactured by citizens daily.

No we are not, that has a pistol grip, so not an SBS. If it had a full stock and a short barrel we could still have it, but that would take around 6-9 months

outlaw metal buying without a need and no sales of mills or lathes without ATF approval

Stop calling it common sense to try to bolster your argument. It's an infringement on our rights, no infringement is common sense.

but asking for help shows signs of fragility, something pretty important to those on the right.

right, so because this one prick was smarter in his planning sets him aside from all the other spree shooters, and invalidates the critique aimed at his modus operandi being eased by the legality of his arsenal of AR15's, bump stocks and casket mags.

gotcha.

you might as well argue that "when was the last time someone shot THIS specific school? Oh, it's never been shot up before? I rest my case durrr".

your confirmation of bias is astounding, grandma.

I think my graduating class was less than 200. It's been so damn long though.

Libertarians are literal shit-stains on a functioning society.
Just call yourself NatSoc you little puss.

Kek. Karma I suppose

Another good point. Again, my point is that the mental illness is the thing that should be focused on, even though I know we will follow through with unhelpful gun legislation first.

Comparatively cheap too i only paid 800 for mine a cpl years ago. it needed a new sear but thats cheap

These retarded arguments don't justify easily accessible semi auto rifles of any kind wood stock any stock any semi auto weapon should not be easily accessible.

Honest question:

Why do you think that? Don't you believe that democrats would fall over themselves to enact some kind of legislation? Healthcare wasn't bipartisan, so I can't imagine how this would need to be.