quick someone disprove this
Quick someone disprove this
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There are many gun-less paradises you could move to"
See how easy it is to become a gun-less cuck?
doesnt disprove me
man you're just hurting yourself
ozfag here, its true, yes we still have shootings buy its usually just drug gangs shooting other drug gangs so nothing of value is lost, gangs of african youths is worse than gun violence here now, imagine if those monkeys were also armed, we would be burgers
Mass shootings aren't important. Look at the overall murder rate.
Oi ya cûint
Can't really but it's not a proper way to set up an argument to be discussed. The argument sounds right but reform isn't that simple at least I guess not in the us
make ammunition illegal
still covers 2nd amendment
ammunition is not "arms"
we can't take the guns away from the nigs and spics that own them illegally because that'd require racial profiling and the left would cry racism
Ausfag here. We just changed the definition of 'people'. We no longer have person on person crime, we have animals occasionally attacking people and being put down.
you forget australia has pretty much controlled their nigger population confining most to the middle of the country away from anything important with just a few heavily regulated placements in major cities, we occasionally let them out to show off their childrens paintings and to make fart noises into a hollow log but the majority are kept docile
Bet all those guns would have come in handy with those emus that LITERALLY overtook your cities
nigs are spics are not included
they get them illegally
the problem is the mental kid who grabs his dads gun or better yet goes and buys himself one
we occasionally let them out to show off their childrens paintings and to make fart noises into a hollow log
ur children are being sacrificed in order for the communists to have a reason to disarm the entire nation. Never forget the 50 million Russians and 60 million Chinese that died after their guns were confiscated.
you mean abbos?
We don't talk about that.
Australia has more firearms now then before the buy back and yes they have had mass shootings since.
citing a book from a guy who claimed everything was an alien conspiracy
hahaaha u faggits r scared of guns cuz libtard cucks keep shooting all the shotings yto take ur guns if any of the shooting faggets tried to shoot me they would catch 2 in the headcuz i wiould kill them instead
this, the nigs and spics only kill each other brah, and when they break in they just want ya tele, not to murder your family
Elect a baboon as your head of state
Nah, we can't regulate guns, cause we have a fucking baboon as our head of state
lost a war against vietnam
lost 2 wars In iraq
lost the war in afghanistan
lost every conflict in africa
wew lad you burgers are alright
Nothing has changed
Fuck those aussie cunts. Literally the British dumping grounds.
Shut the fuck up fag you make civilized gun owners look bad. Probably what you are going for anyway like a good little progressive fag bitch.
Fun fact. The neighboring states of those cities all have lax gun laws. Most of them are bought in those states and brought over.
In what years did these gun confiscations take place?
Because they're right next door to the biggest gun-producing country on the planet, which basically trades them guns for drugs.
Retreated due to GLOBAL OUTCRY to stop killing commies(Mostly hippies and europoors).Killed more commies then US injuries
Killed and toppled multiple dictator regimes,setup democratic government
Killed and toppled multiple militant groups, setup democratic government
we killed niggers, any time niggers are killed its a win for the USA
What have you europoors done to help the world post WW2? Dont count nato cause without the USA there would be no power in nato
firearms went up and handguns went down
that's kinda interesting
you know where white americans came from right?
I wonder which has a higher chance of a terrorist attack.
New Orleanian here. We do not have tough gun laws.
So what you are saying is that gun laws do not work.
murder rate did increase though
We were not a prison I land cunt.
fuck u ur a retarted fagget bitch when u suck ur boyfrends cock do u hafta crawl out of obamas asshole?
Your CIA LITERALLY, not figuratively, LITERALLY, created the Taliban in the 70s and from there Al Qaeda and every other mujahideen fighter group that currently exists in the Middle East. But keep telling yourselves you saved the day, fucking idiots. At best you’ve spent the last thirty years cleaning up your own mess at everyone else’s expense.
Does islamic terror mass shootings suddenly not count as mass shootings?!?!?!?!?!?!
Wait are you saying by percentage of people are crime rate gets similar.
I can't believe you kiss your mom's boyfriends dock with that mouth.
They have the exact same amount of guns now as they did in 1996
That's nice australia
there are more than 600 million guns in the United States
Who the fuck is paying for this buyback program
"toughest gun laws" becomes sort of meaningless when it's appended with "in the united states"
Litterally more guns than people.
iraq and afghanistan have democracy
also you got fucking slaughtered in vietnam they let you leave with your tail between your legs or dis you forget the tet offensive?
and russia defeated isis In iraq
you need to stop what you are doing and read a book or something
removing guns basically elminated gun deaths on an island
GEEE WOW GOLLY!
Funny that your average murder rate is still basically the same with like 1-2 years of SLIGHTLY lower than average killings.
We've avoided dumping all our population's tax money into the fucking eastern deserts to begin with.
We have spent it cleaning up the mess left by the British and the French. Learn your self some history cunt.
wait is this real
America is not rich, homogeneous Australia, it is a collapsing empire beset by economic inequality, racial conflict, social alienation and moral nihilism.
If you ban guns, angsty futureless white kids will still kill their classmates, they'll just do it with knives and bombs. And niggers will still shoot people because the law is for white people.
ignores the many other gun less countries that arnt bad due to entirely unrelated reasons
"SEE WE NEED GUNS"
how are you that dumb?
its where they sent the retards and jews, cant remember the last puritan purge here maybe it was the weather
I would rather get shot in the face than getting shanked and bleed to death.
toughest gun laws
Just say what it really is. Cities filled to the brim with niggers.
I make $0.42 every time I post
Australia never had a mass shooting before April 28, 1996. Don't pretend like it was a problem before then.
It wasn't a thing to be dealt with, they rushed to action and now fun guns r gone 4eva.
It's Jewish pilpul that would surely be struck down in the courts.
2 people injured
mass killings, k
Thats not an action that benefits millions of people nor did it help nations worldwide
Beyond eating tea and crumpets taking away your citizens rights in person and online, what have you done?
Well, that would cost less than the price of one F-35 that can't fight in bad weather. So, let the military do it. Or those Republican pricks in Congress who don't give a rat's asshole about the deficit and debt, now that they're in charge can just use more deficit spending.
I wonder what would have happened if people didn't want to sell their guns to the government?
Their murder rates are essentially the same pre and post gun ban. They are an ISLAND. Mostly white (90%). And don't have to border cartels, gangs, and cities full of niggers. And most shitty people around the world don't/can't move there like the US. This is why Australia is completely irrelevant to the conversation.
No mass shootings, lots of mass murders.
The premise is faulty for the message it intends to convey.
inb4 Port Arthur was fucking SHADY shit
hurr durr it's only wrong that people get killed if it's in a mass shooting!
Also - reason.com
You should learn some recent history, like how we armed the Mujahideen to fight Russians, not to clean up any messes.
neither of those things are true.
So every single gang banger on the south side of Chicago went to kansas to get their guns? Keep dreaming
wut is switzerland? the thread
YES IT DOES YOU FUCKING LOLBERTARIAN KIKES HOLY SHIT
MAYBE IF PEOPLE WEREN'T ATOMIZED CHILDLESS DEBT SLAVES CONSTANTLY PROPAGANDIZED INTO HATING THEMSELVES AND THEIR COUNTRY THEY WOULDN'T MASSACRE THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS
THERE WERE NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS IN THE FIFTIES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
They signed a treaty withdrew all the troops then invaded when u.s. was 100% out of vietnam
in all of those incidents combined, seven people were killed, two of which were the perpetrators of their respective attacks
two of those incidents involved guns, but neither could reasonably be called a "mass shooting"
thus, the combined toll of all cited "terrorist attacks" since 2014 is less than half of the victims of the USA's last school shooting
Yeah, and there's plenty of decent places you can move to.
Or you can stay in the god-forsaken shithole that's had 18 school shootings this year and it's not even March yet.
This. Just fucking look at London. Ban assault cutlery and acid! That will stop all the problems
With 6 million more people. A 30% increase in population, with an absolutely negligible increase in guns.
In the United States, a mass shooting is three or more people being injured by gunfire. During the 2014 Sydney hostage thing, the police shot three people.
The Australian police committed the first mass shooting in almost twenty years.
Aafter ww1 the French and the British took down the Ottoman Empire and split the middle east up into groups not based on tribes claims but into what parts they wanted forming countries with people that would be naturally at odds with each other causing the Middle East to collapse into the shit show it is now.
A white country with a strong culture and lots and lots of guns?
So what you're saying is that gun laws don't work.
Saudi Arabia is a gun-less paradise
Bitch are you for real
Yeah, cause surely it was out of the goodness in the American heart that you've been hanging out on the other side of the globe, carpet bombing and drone sniping for decades. Why would we spend billions on other people's wars? Why would you?
Compare them with rural LA, you probably do.
How many mass shootings were committed by black guys again?
and also has very few gun murders despite that. it ruins the liberals' narrative.
only 1/3rd of the population turned their guns in
There's the whole thing about being run by (((pharma)))-backed cartels, too.
Why would anybody kiss a dock? That's just odd.
It wasn't 18 that's a bullshit number
I like how you think one hundred year old events are more relevant than thirty year old events. And you left out a lot of post Ottoman history there.
How frequent were the mass shootings before that?
this is correct, the animosity from the arab nations toward the US has nothing to do with their air bases in the region and support for israel and the invasion of soverign arab nations under the false pretense of terrorism
You're spewing hate.
so weak and envious of USA
compare crybabies who grow enough balls to actually kill in your country to the USA, where we teach 3 year olds how to be men (even the women are manlier than Australians)
go on website created by Americans, using Internet invented by Americans to try and trash America
being this much of an international tryhard
Just say thank you, and play your digereedoo for us while we fuck your women, mate.
Fun fact: you are over 10,000 more likely to be raped by a Catholic Priest than you are to be raped, mugged, or murdered by an immigrant.
How does that make you feel?
That's because imposing gun laws on a single city or a single state doesn't work. It's piss easy to smuggle illegal weapons into states or cities because they're no border control whatsoever. If there was a sweeping assault weapon ban all accross the country, any assault weapon would have to be tracked from the moment they leave the factory/cross the borders up until they reach their owner and be registered every year. If the federal government loses track of one of them, red flag.
Yeah, wanting to have a serious country and not a collapsing joke state so that my countrymen don't kill themselves and their friends is super hateful.
Australia has less than 10 percent of the US population. And had less than 1 percent of the amount of guns than the US. They share Zero borders with Mexico. What Australia does is irfuckingrelevant to what would work in the US.
Like I should go to seminary and get some of that sweet loli action.
lost a war against Emus
we occasionally let them out to show off their childrens paintings and to make fart noises into a hollow log...
More people than all the mass shootings combined.
Nice. So you instate an apartheid state and you've prevented 16 shootings out of hundreds and hundreds of them commited by non-blacks. I don't mind getting killed as long as it's not by a black guy.
But America won those? We went in to serve Israeli-Saudi and pharmaceutical interests, and that's what happened.
Is that not what he calls it when he sticks it in your ass.
not an australian, nor do I have a stake in the argument of aussie vs. usa
I was merely analyzing the article linked in an attempt to show that it did not support your point very well, if at all
I like how you do not think it is a huge part.
And yet your rapes, stabbings and thefts went up. Too bad they don't make international news because they're too quiet.
When is the last time a school shooting was committed by one of those races? I thought ALL school shootings were performed by white US citizens?
That's not the same thing. You know damn well most of the people who get murdered by blacks either got too involved with organized crime or street gangs or pissed off either one of these.
If we won why are we still getting freedom seeds sent home?
You what now? We tried that, it worked for a while but it's an unstable situation. They have to go back to Africa, or they have to have their own state here.
AUSTRALIA DOES NOT HAVE A 2ND AMENDMENT.
Taking away Americans guns cannot be done by the Legislature. It can ONLY be done by Amendment.
And that will NEVER happen. EVER.
The way it's worded is technically correct.
It is, however, leaving out the fact that the only significant gun related death it prevented is suicide.
Australia was never a big gun crime country, before Port Arthur (a couple kms north of me) there was only 1 other mass shooting in Oz.
The ban was based on emotional reactionism and only punishes responsible gun owners.
Criminals will get them regardless of John Howards opinion.
The people of America will not let their government strip them of their arms, they feel as if the government has taken their rights and privileges as is, so this in extension is their last stand - especially under a person like Trump.
I seriously doubt the Taliban are going wild because of the Durand Line.
Why would we spend billions on other people's wars?
Because America is the Global Police force?
Both World Wars we provided troops and vehicles(Land,Air,Sea) and relief aid(Red Cross,Food) that lead to the defeat of tyrants.
Anytime something bad happens you look to America for aid.
AMERICA RELIEF AID
AMERICAN RELIEF AID
Dictator is ruining a country?
AMERICAN RELIEF AID
Need political power?
AMERICAN RELIEF AID
What have you europoors done this millennia to help someone other then your selves?
You havent, you sit back and let the Greatest Nation In The World do it for you, because we have the infrastructure to do so,the industrial might to do so, the land to grow basic crops, the military power to reach GLOBALLY.
Oh cool you have 1 nuclear submarine and one nuclear aircraft carrier you keep in your own waters that only help you.
While we can scramble a squad of f22's anywhere in the world within 15 minutes
You're a plague on the world.
Not a million and the usa has may more gun owners than Australia
Because every time a goyish soldier is buried, a Jew gets his fucking nose.
You do realize how easy drugs are smuggle over the border right.
You used a racial slur
Thats the moment you underminded your post.
6 million Jews died because they didn't have Rifles.
100 million in Russia.
But 17 died in Florida?
Morons! Do the fucking math.
So you'd rather have the government do it.
Australia is boring tho
apologist for loser Australians
still a tryhard
but now a cuck tryhard for shill Ozzies
can't even slip another shrimp on barbie for Alpha males who shame him on Cred Forums
less than female
Only 54 where white
The point went way over your head, /pol/tard. Once again your obsession with brown people is clouding your vision from the real issues. Get out of this thread.
Mass shootings in the US claim 1,000 lives since 1966, according to the Washington Post. Menwhile 10-12 thousand are killed in one-person-at-a-time shootings EVERY YEAR.
And there has not been a single year in that time span with fewer than 30,000 deaths from automobile accidents.
Mass shootings are so rare, why are we even talking about them? If you want to save lives,that is.
Leftist Washington Post reports 20 mass shootings in schools since 1966.
Im always a little confussed by the arguments that US citizens needs guns to potentially overthrow thier government in case of tyranny.
Like, dont the US military have Abrams tanks, Apache helicopters, APC,s, and precision bombers. The olny way to overthrow would be to have ready access to weapons that defeat these. Plus, of coure lots and lots of artillary.
For example, to beat a polpulation, all the gov would have to do would be cut off water, petrol, and food supplies. Battalions of intantry suppported by the above would take and hold petrol, food, and water pumping and distriution centres, and other key infastructure such as bridges, rado and television centres, etc. These infantry would be supported by the aformentioned heavy artillary, tanks, hlepcopters, etc.
The population would be done without petrol, food, and water within about 14 days.
So, surely the 2nd amendment, if converted in todays, would mean all civilians need access to military tanks, apaches, planes and bombs, and heavy artillary?
So you don't see why the Sunni and Shiite thing is a problem.
Tell me what about I said was wrong, you stupid faggot. I'm sorry you're so offended by someone calling out libertarianism for what it is.
That's what the state is there for. Maybe if we don't let plutocrats buy every single politician the people will actually be able to control it for their own sake this time.
Was also a different era.
Parents weren’t as inattentive, divorce rates weren’t as high and children had father figures in their life.
Also the abundance of SSRIs to treat a bunch of mental illnesses which cause as many problems as they treat.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's "easy". The point is to make it harder than to buy them over the counter to add a dissuiasive effect. Just because it's not a perfect solution doesn't mean it won't have positive effects. Besides, it's a lot harder to smuggle firearms anywhere under any circumstances. They're big metallic objects with a distinct form.
Stop shooting down every proposed solution just because they're not perfect. At least I'm trying to figure something out instead of putting my head up my ass and saying "Well it can't be helped huhuhu"
So you want gun control and to build the Wall.
3 million Army dudes.
330 Million pissed off armed Americans.
No army will ever conquer us. Not even our own.
oh, I see, you're just here to shitpost
steady on, then
Or it's because they didn't want to give up their car or their money or any number of reasons though I've never really had too many problems with black people it has been mostly Mexicans.
Oh, no, I just ignored the point that you made because it's disingenuous and factually incorrect. Blacks do most of the murdering in the US.
The Australian gun buyback program in 1996 bought around 660,000 guns and spend around $500 million at the time. That's around $750 per gun. Adjust for inflation and that's about $1200 in today's dollars.
There are 300 million guns in the US. It would cost the government $360 billion to buy them all back.
What's your plan for paying for that?
HURR DURRR TAX THE RICH, WEALTH DISTRIBUTION, FUCK THE 1% HURR DURRRRR SOCIALISM 4 MERIKA
1) Teachers carrying guns.
2) Armed Security Guards at our schools. We have them at every fucking Mall or Pawn Shop, so why not a school full of our kids?
I guess? How is a wall going to stop people from smuggling merchandise in America? Are drugs getting thrown over the fence in sports bags? I don't care if they build a wall as long as they can demonstrate that it's actually worth the immense costs it would incur, which hasn't been done.
they are also in a civil war with cartels
or you forgot this little detail?
All absolutely correct.
Maybe if you have to prescribe soma to something like one eighth of the population, your society is fucked up and you should try to fix it.
Maybe it's not a good idea to glorify promiscuity and degeneracy, because strong families and strong communities are desirable.
But if you want those things and you want to do something to get them on a societal scale, you're hateful I guess.
WHo knows why the fuck they go wild. Going wild is their default option.
buy them over the counter
You have no clue...
Firearm sales aren't otc , you need background checks.
Kimmel is a terrible source of info for gun laws m8
Yes sir. Thank you, I shall.
We don't have to buy back all the guns. Just the assault weapons.
In fact, we don't have to buy back shit. You wanted to own a mass murder tool? Too bad. It's your loss.
Decrease military spending by a few percent.
You'd still have the world's best military by far and you'd have a few billion to do whatever you want with.
Can't disprove it because it's true.
Why is it your retards never actually use your guns to combat tyranny and traitors though? You say that's why you need them, but this year's been littered with articles exposing corruption and politicians being bought out by lobbyists for dirt cheap. The common American and their rights are being betrayed and sold out like cheap whores, but none of you dumb fucks is actually doing anything about it.
Instead you retards choose to use your guns to slaughter your lower class/middle class innocent neighbors.
The simple truth is that Americans are too fucking dumb and irresponsible to have the freedom to own guns. No other nation has as big a fucking problem with guns. Not even close. This is a nation-wide mental health problem, which may as well be considered cultural.
I live in Detroit. The city does not have different gun laws than the state of Michigan in general, and Michigan's are not particularly strict.
Also the abundance of SSRIs to treat a bunch of mental illnesses which cause as many problems as they treat was not prevalent like it is today - it is something that almost all of the mass murderers were on of some variety or another.
and what are the cartels using? water pistols?
let's not change anything because I know for sure there is not chance it could improve
have you ever contemplated the possibility of being wrong about something?
I'm going to forcibly confiscate tools of violence owned by over half the population and three quarters of the political spectrum
Have fun with that.
You'd still have the world's best military by far
drug cartels totally care about gun control
are you implying that the drug cartels in the US would go at war with your government like they did in Mexico?
Cartels have direct access to the black market. They are already criminals so they don't find it intimidating to purchase illegal firearms.
If you're an angry white dude planning to shoot up your school and you have to go through the black market to get your weapon, you risk getting caught, charged and humiliated in the process. Makes their little revenge fantasy a lot less glamorous.
kek. this is either bait, or you're part of some other country who relies on the USA to protect them from all the horrors of the real world.
I did identify a bunch of problems, though. Problems that, if fixed, would likely dramatic incidents of random violence.
Banning guns to stop nihilistic violence is like banning gasoline to stop people from driving.
But, surely it wouldnt be just the miltary. They would need some form of support. for example, if there was a civil war tomorrow in US, it would probably be dems v rebublicans - so about a 50/50 split.
I would love to see foreign and military spending cut in order to combat crime and mental illness.
We honestly do not need to be playing world police when our own back yard is seriously fucked up.
I love my country but hate what our government and society within it has become.
Kimmel is a terrible source of info
This cannot be stressed enough.
Why couldn't I do that? After all they're all owned by law-abiding citizens who will conform to the law when demanded, right?
Oh, are you implying that people who own assault rifles are psychopaths willing to kill people just so they get to keep their toy and that you're collectively enabling them and rationalizing their disease because you're a bunch of pussies?
I had no idea. I'm stumped, frankly.
thats my point. criminals dont give a shit about gun control.
How many people died because the last time I checked 6 million Jews died after they gave up there weapons along with a 100 million in communist countries. Suddenly are mass shootings don't look so big.
Very interesting point. If the right to bear arms is based on an ability to overhrow the gubment, then surely everyone who wants to bear arms must have a well thought out plan on the likely scenario, and tactically and strategic reality, of such an overthrow?
guatemala wall is ok
israel wall is ok
AMERICAN WALL IS RACIST AND BAD
You obviously don't realize how hard it is to fight an Insurgency and that that military is made up of other US citizens that I guarantee you a lot of them would dessert
All rifles combined account for 3-400 homicides in a year, max. Of course not all of them are "assault weapons," whatever the fuck that means.
Any kind of rifle is a dumb place to start if you want to reduce deaths.
Except that the Repubs tend to be the one with the guns and the open land. The Libs tend to be concentrated in cities.
Get some Repubs with son's in the Army in Kentucky, who roll their M1 Abrahms to NYC to duck-shoot some Lefties, the war will be over in 20 minutes.
This is like a "who would whup" argument between Mike Tyson and Bruce Lee, etc. No one will ever know because it won't happen.
Yeah a lot of calmness thought the same thing the one the people of the top got out of control and they complained they died.
A... a million?
Faggot, there are more weapons than that within 50 miles of my house. There are 330 million people in the US. It's estimated there are more guns than people, here.
If your implicit assumption that the US and Australian situations were comparable merely by # of weapons was true, we would have 2 or 3 mass shootings a *week.*
But we don't, and violent crime in the US is waaaay below its highs in the 1980 and 1990s, despite (read: as a consequence of) the explosion in gun ownership.
A few years ago, a guy tried to execute a mass shooting in Chicago. A passerby with a CHL shot him. Mass murder avoided.
But the media ignored it. As I'm sure you will, because none of you give a fuck about truth. All you want is power. And a disarmed population is easier to lord over.
The biggest tyranny in the developed worlds happens right now - in Russia, under Putin.
Australia got 60% of the guns back, the other 40% are floating around mysteriously shooting people.
That and Australia's government doesn't represent it's people and forces lots of stupid shit on them. The government of Australia represents like, Sydney, and that's it. Of course they fear an uprising, they eat lobbyist money for breakfast, lunch and dinner...at least our politicians only eat it for dinner and just rape kids for the other two meals.
How's that African gang problem eh Ozzys?
We don't have to buy back all the guns. Just the assault weapons.
There are an estimated 4 million assault weapons in private hands in the US. It would cost $5 billion to buy them back.
Given that rifles (and that's all rifles, not strictly assault rifles) are only used in about 325 homicides per year, that's more than $15 million spent per life saved.
I suspect there are other ways to save considerably more lives with that money if that's the goal.
In fact, we don't have to buy back shit.
I'm just responding to OP's post that the US do what Australia did. But if you just intend to confiscate the guns, how exactly do you intend to go about that? Most states don't require them to be registered, so there's no record of who owns them and how many. Do you really think most people would turn them in voluntarily?
Except that banning gasoline would actually reduce driving. Gasoline is hard to steal.
Lol you people are obsessed with the "Black Market".
Let me tell you something, the black market isn't some secret club where you turn up and can order a nuke and order a tank whilst you wait.
The black market is as simple as buying a gun from the local thug who just robbed the corner store using a gun he borrowed from his friend who stole it during a home invasion.
Boom, there's your "black market gun"
Fun fact; there are very high populations of niggers in those cities.
I'm a militarist at heart, but our military is as much a gibs program for weapons manufacturers as a fighting force. Trim it back and use the savings to address social problems. Fuck, we could even start a gendarme if we pulled back some of our occupation operations. That'd be more productive than having Americans sitting around in Okinawa.
Well, yeah, aside from the brown people who just, like, don't care about the law, and the various red state governors who would use their National Guards to defy any repeal of the second amendment, and the military units that would refuse to help confiscate and might or might not throw in with the Guards.
I'm not saying it can't be held but banning's not going to help the problem. And not that there isn't already a black market for firearms but we would pretty much be creating a brand new market for the black market cousin even more crime just like what we see with drugs.
The buy back related only to handguns, semi and fully automatic guns.
It’s still legal to own a gun, they are used as tools on rural properties and for sport.
Part of the ownership licensing is to prove you have a use for it and a legit place to use it. Like I live on a farm and need to shoot goats or I’m a member of a gun club and I go there to shoot trap.
Self defence is a not reason to own a gun, neither is ‘I just want one’
You missed my point.
There have been, according to one of the ore anti-gun publications in the US, only 20 or so mass shootings in schools in over 4 decades. They are surprisingly rare, considering especially how much the media glorifies the shooters.
THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO AMERICAS GUN "PROBLEM". GUNS IN AMERICA WILL NEVER BE BANNED. IN A FEW DAYS, YOU CAN RETURN TO YOUR SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING OF REALITY TV, SHITTY FAST FOOD AND HOUSE WITH THE WHITE PICKET FENCE.
RINSE AND REPEAT.
Actually, those atrocities occurred due to a lack of separation of powers. Same thing cant happen in the US so long as there remains a clear separation of powers between the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judiciary.
calls people who own assault rifles psychopaths willing to kill people just so they get to keep their toy
wants to hire other people willing to kill people and get them to confiscate all the guns that belong to the first group of people
In Sydney no alcohol sales after 10pm, jogging without a helmet is a criminal offense, and sporting events only allow the sale of light beer.
No licensing in the US of A. The 2nd Amendment guarantees that.
Fuck gun-hating pussies. Get your own shit in order. My guns haven't killed anything but deer and squirrels. And both of them were talking shit and had it coming.
Gasoline is also only one kind of fuel. Alcohol, kerosene, diesel, et cetera- all things that could conceivably be used to power a car.
Just like, in the absence of guns, other tools can be used to kill people if you're an atomized loser looking to go out with a bang or a foreign terrorist trying to strike at the Great Satan.
MUH 6 GORILLIAN, NEVAR 4GET
If it wont happen, then what is the relevance of the 2nd amendment?
Tyson would kick Lee's ass because Lee is dead.
The Holocaust didn't happen, though.
you dont really think that people you are talking to on Cred Forums are trying to lord over the american population do you?
you dont really think that people are posting these things as a grasp at power, do you...?
That stuff would be nice.
But the guerilla method is to go to your local airbase, cut the unalarmed fence, crawl through a half mile of forest with a suppressed pistol or rifle, and just throw a molotov on all that shit while it's parked.
It's not about marching in formations and wearing a uniform and standing in a line "like a soldier".
A few dudes with a bunch of basic equipment, a decent plan, and some element of surprise can totally wreck a superior but unprepared force.
Brisbanite here. No such problem exists.
A few years ago, a guy tried to execute a mass shooting in Chicago. A passerby with a CHL shot him. Mass murder avoided.
Can you share a source for that. Would like to have that to show some leftist friends.
Making sure it stays that way.
I can tell you which side has more guns than the other by a drastic amount.
MFW you banned guns but our gun homicide rate declined as much as yours did even though we still have 400,000,000 of them.
This is a valid point only under a system where the military is entirely controlled by a tyrannical government and follows every order to the dot. In a realistic scenario, a portion of the military will refuse to follow orders, another portion will defend the population, and also don't forget the civilian branches of law enforcement among other forms of defense. The right to bear arms and form a militia is precisely designed to aid in such scenarios and turn the tide in favor of the people.
everyone here hates the gun restrictions, and mag-cap limits.
That being said, the processes for getting permits/licences isn't actually that bad, we just have fewer headcases that USA and lower firearm accessibility.
If USA enforced background checks, safety and licence instruction/tests in every state, and DIDN'T further restrict firearms physically instances like all this fucked up angsty teen publicity/suicide bullshit would drop heaps.
But what you really need is public healthcare to medicate the headcases and social networks to connect them because of the alienation of the socially awkward from fucking disgusting normies.
Dude, I think you're being a little highbrow for most right wingers who frequent these boards. quoting Montesque wont help here (unfortauntely)...
Yeah, shit like this, it just goes on and on. I don't want to live a society like that.
jogging without a helmet
oh shit that's bald
I don't think it's racist I just think it's a waste of money. Kek
KEK. You faggits couldn't even win against a bunch of fucking rice farmers.
Lies. Cycling requires a helmet, no jogging. No shots after 10, alcohol can still be served, and light beer is another lie - you can buy VB (5%) at footy games.
All rapes in Sweden are committed by Swedes, honest. We don't have a problem. You have a problem.
On the other hand, last I heard from an Australian on their demographic problems the biggest issue was getting colonized by China. So maybe you're right.
Oh look, you were lying.
Fun fact about cities, some neighbor each other, and some of those have less restrictive gun laws.
I'm not sure you could. Urban populations vote solidly Democrat, and seem to have plenty of guns.
Have you worked in the military?
Have you ever heard of 'guard duty', or, for when elements move, the 'vanguard'. Military is prepared for a few schmuks with petrol bombs. They will find them ,and with martial law, shoot them.
Anyone that wants to ban "assault rifles" has no clue.
Anyone that claims you can purchase guns without a background check is getting informed by talk show hosts.
The only people who are pro gun control have no clue about guns.
There are 350 million guns in America
Neither could China or Russia or france, at the height of their power. woooooow
Insofar as city negroes/mestizos actually go to the polls and aren't just fraudulently voted on behalf of by (((community organizers))).
We already have background checks, and for better or worse we're extremely opposed to licences on a somewhat historical basis.
Back in the day there was a whole lot of "Well your liscence application looks all fine and dandy, but I don't like your mother/you're black/you're a jew/I don't like guns so it's denied" for permits that required a police sign off.
every single other western country managed, are the US that much of crazy shithole? And yeah, even countries like UK and Australia, who had quite a bit of guns around before they enacted strict gun control
Fun fact: you are over 10,000 more likely of being raped by a catholic priest than you are of being the vicitim of a crime from a first, second, or third generation immigrant.
So, ban catholic priests, eh?
And most of those either pay somebody with a gun to guard them, or have a gun of their own that "doesn't count."
But what about the Anti- Fascists? They are everywhere, and have LOADS of guns.
HAHAHAHA SILLY BRAINWASHED AMERICAN. ENJOY YOUR "FREEDOM" FAGGOT.
They don't. From what I've seen they also have no idea how to use them anyway.
Even if they did, they don't know the first thing about first line/second line gear.
Considering how subverted the Catholic Church is by liberation theologists and other enemy elements, I'm not opposed to that. Even assuming that's not a made up statistic.
I'm not a Christian. Try again?
Actually, the opposite would happen - many US citizens, who are related to service ppersonal and agree with the tyrannical leader, would probably join the gubmint. think trump supporters, for example.
If you didn't have to get them to the polls, Hillary would not have fallen short in Detroit, etc. when she pulled Get Out the Vote money.
Only the pedophillic ones.
Which we did.
Whats your population of boys between the age of 3 and 17 that attend the church?
You forgot that little tidbit when you made your assumption.
another amerimutt not understanding what the source of most modern military technologies is
When was the last time you were offered to buy a gun? I live in the big city and it never happened to me.
There are, in fact, jogging laws that include helmets.
The lockout laws close bottle o's as well.
In many sports arenas the alcohol is restricted to light beer.
That's what the suppressed pistol/rifle is for, cuck.
I've spent years living on bases all around the world, and there's always a hole if you look even somewhat closely.
Petrol bombs tells me you're not an american and I doubt you've actually been on one of our bases
Funny, you didn't refute me.
Read the reply chain. Also, said countries have other problems with violence, which is part of the thrust of my post?
Violence will continue until clown world improves.
Call me when you can hold a gun correctly and not hurt yourself on the range, antifa-kun.
tfw I live in the paler regions of the map
stay mad, kid
Nobody's talking about killing assault rifle owners moron. If any killing occurs during confiscation, it will be their fault.
Everyone who holds the slightest bit of power in the United States is dedicated to protecting my rights. Well, at least the ones that I consider personally to be more important than other innocent people's lives themselves.
You live in a fantasy world.
they don't want the populace to be able to fight back against the tyrannical state they want to impose.
But honestly wtf? This is just retarded... especially the part where it implies armed kids would be as effective as a cop against shool shooters and not accidentally kill themselves all the time because they are children and children are retarded.
On the map to the right, if you take the red spots in middle America which you conveniently ignored, this really coincides with a map of the red states.
what the source of most modern military technologies
Various other American companies
What have NON American companies made that was well adapted outside of their tiny "military"?
The europoors collaborated with the USA for its f-35 fleet.It tooks years delay because of constantly changing demands from you europoors.
Thats why we kept the f22 sweetie :)
And thats why the cost of the f35 and its maintenance packages is sky rocketing higher then the f22's.
If any killing occurs during confiscation, it will be their fault.
I've seen the docs their stock piles are joke mostly because of the price of guns and we all know commies don't want to work so they by cheap and though I find rednecks annoying if it were rednecks vs antifa I would put my money on the redneks.
Do you have any argument instead of your alt-right manipulative strawman guilt-tripping? It's the right that's in power right now, so if there's any confiscation, it will be by them. I bet that will make it a lot better.
the LEFT wants "this" for your daughter? lololol
alt-right manipulative strawman guilt-tripping
That's a lot of buzzwords, all in a queue
Someone's triggered, and I think it's you!
Not everyone. Just enough that if you ever tried to go full confiscationist, it'd spark a constitutional crisis and a much more materially equal, much less localized civil war than last time.
I'm not opposed to it. If you wanna toss the Republic on the bonfire, be my guest, I just don't think you'll like what comes after.
Orgestonion Valley, Delaware
Upper Chinese, Maryland
Dancenstein Hills,Grentzelstein County, Florida
Burkisk Heights, Andropony
welcome to the boomtown....
be the party that votes to massively bloat the military with gajillions of dollars, allowing them to buy high-tec equipment that would blow your fucking mind from 800miles away, both figuratively and literally
hurr durr my pistol will stop them, dont trey-ad on me, muh 2nd amendment
*massacres a school then sends "prayers"*
The right wants to put literal pedophiles in power. For your own sake, skip the fight for moral superiority and get back to the issue.
Where's the lie though?
The best propaganda is the truth.
goes to D.W. Fussbudget Memorial Stadium
gets beat up by Hantonbantio "Japanese Mike" Lugiansenta
Show me the warrant sworn out for his arrest. Oh, that's right, you can't. She went to the media, not to the police.
Y'know, like the opposite of how you do when a crime's been committed, lol
Did any other country have 350 million guns?
BUT GUNS CANT KILL AEROPLANS DUH
red spots in middle America
Those are St louis and memphis, might not be diverse but they have a lot of the problem demographic, which is really what the map is representing.
Honestly I don't even think a confiscation is necessary for the law to have some sort of positive effect, if only on the long run. If people want to be contrarian assholes and have illegal firearms that badly that they're willing to kill innocents for it, fine, let's not poke than anthill. But at least future generations won't be able to get them over the counter and I think this would have a dissuasive effect on some killers since it is risky and not trivial to deal with organized crime.
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blacks do most of the murdering
mostly of other blacks, in black communities
mostly of other blacks, in black communities
Very true. Niggers love killin niggers
Living in Phoenix for the first 12 years of my life never really had too many problems with the black kids but definitely did with the Mexicans the black gangs that shoot each other because I knew they shot a white person the cops would search more the Mexicans used to blood in which means joining a gang by shooting white kids.
DINGO GOT MUH BAYBAY
butthurt newfag detected
it actually happened
now all of Australia is at the mercy of their Emu overlords
Guards at tyrannical dystopia checkpoint have assault rifles
Patriotic armed citizen shoots them down
The army levels their house with a tank
Tyranny achieved. It's not complicated. The government will always be stronger than you. Period.
I think the part you're missing is how hard it is to fight an Insurgency of civilians.
the red map correlates closer to population density than brown/white my dawg
ew he's got pooey undies
That's been the point I've been hammering throughout this thread, actually. If you ban guns without addressing the problems that create atomized sociopaths, such as those who commit shootings, you'll just get more acid attacks, bombings, stabbings, et cetera. Want fewer dead schoolkids? Fix clownworld. Want fewer trucks of peace? Fix clownworld.
Banning guns is a solution to another problem that the (((elite))) have, not a solution to violence.
Uh huh. No one's gonna fight if they know they will systematically get killed for it. People are pussies.
Well I'm out b/ have fun faggets
When the government employees believe in the citizens call? What happens then?
What happens when the government turns on its self and support the citizens? The battle is already fought on THEIR ground before coming to the citizens land.
Its happened countless times in military history
This is what's happening to this country, sometimes I like to crap my pants metaphorically
Not really helping your point. And one dead white person at the hands of a black person is too much, to be honest.
Which is why you see all these alt right militias out training. They need to be disciplined. And instead of praising them, you say "ooh scary guys with guns".
no mass shootings
still full of criminals
as long as it's only metaphorical
that poop is hecka yucky
Do you expect them to demolish the entire neighborhood?
They would have then wasted million of dollars on destroying the land they were protecting.
What value is in demolished land?
mostly of other blacks
This is true, but they also disproportionately kill other races.
The American military is stronger than the Taliban and the VC, but they did a really shit job of crushing both.
Asymmetric warfare isn't a hard concept to understand, friend.
america is specifically about citizens always being able to challenge their government. This is supposed to eliminate any "ist" society.
So if you don't live here, fuck off. If you don't like the option to challenge your government, move.
All of your countries suck for reasons. Imagine if we didn't have gun problems once again we would be the intelligent teenager country showing all the old countries how retarded they are.
So be glad you cocks. You can't have my gun. What are you gonna do about it? That's right, nothing. Murica.
Gang=multiple people=mass shooting. Ozfags have mass shootings and only drug dealers have guns. They also don't have a way to practice, so all people with guns are unsafe and terrible at shooting.
I guess they just stopped keeping a record and assumed the problem was over.
Throw another wallaby burger on the barbie, America wins again.
kangaroo-fuckers lost a war to emus
sage and i'm out
I don't think you have a clue. How would you make the countries fit the religious groups? protip : you can't.
but they did a really shit job of crushing both.
We are held back by laws(Geniva) that prevent us from totally fucking them up. We have to have reasons to carpet bomb that village, there has to be assets there and targets that we will be killing.Instead of flat out just bombing everything to dust and waiting later for answers of who was there.
Look at the wikileaks collateral damage that came out years ago. The bleeding hearts in the USA are our downfall
Except history has shown the exact opposite over and over, to the point goat fucking sandniggers in pickup trucks are hard to eradicate for a country that spends more than the next 8 countries combined on their military.
Damn, that's some serious drunken poopy pants. The fucker couldn't even make it to the toilet before passing out right next to it. That's pathetic.
you are so damn wrong
Look dude, I don't understand why I have to keep repeating that.
I don't want to ban guns.
I want to ban assault weapons. Guns that are unnecessarily strong for self defense but the perfect strenght and fire rate for barging in and shooting down a bunch of innocents.
Why do you people always, always bring it to banning all guns? It's like there's a misconnection in your brain that just systematicaly drops this inconvenient nuence. Do you do this on purpose? It's so annoying.
I understand that there will always be ways for psychopaths to commit acts of horrible violences. I however suspect that there is a strong appeal for psychopaths to use assault firearms. It's the puzzle peace to a perfectly glamorous revenge fantasy. It's also much safer than any method, such as acid or knives, that requires getting at melee distance from your victim, or artisanal bombs, which can fail to do the expected damage, or blow up in your face.
You take that away, you ruin the fantasy for a lot of psychopaths. They could go through organized crime? Well, the complexities tied in with that, in my opinion, could dissuade them or give them trouble until the psychotic episode passes. If they attempt to get illegal firearms, there's a chance they get caught before they can do the assault, which adds an extra layer of safety for us.
Now I'm totally onboard with you with mental health, but here's the thing: Republicans willfully elected the candidate who slashes the ACA and, among other things, its definition of essential services, which included psychiatric care.
America visibly doesn't want to pay for people's mental healthcare regardless of how much they need it or if lives are at stake. If you want to convince them that they should, be my guest. I tried my hardest and it just ended up being extremely frustrating because everyone gets on the defensive whenever a penny of their "hard-earned" cash is at stake.
Not that user, but I looked this up the other night so it was in my history:
Fully automatic weapons aren't available to the public now, so what's to ban? When you say assault weapons what do you mean precisely? Military stuff, that's not publically available.
Hee haw, I'z gonna buyz myself an A-10 and shoot up some civvies. WTF?