Look faggots. This dog really wants to fight for you. Let her off the chain, and see what happens. I get it...

No seriously, answer this question.
How much will her healthcare plan cost?

About tree fiddy.
But I'm middle class, I thought that only the rich were going to pay for my healthcare.

there is another person who has been stumping for the same sort of thing in more detail for the last 30+ years.

She was a registered republican until 1996, at 47 years old. I don't trust.

Less than continuing to not have a healthcare plan costs the country in lost production from people not being able to afford preventative care. Duh.

she has done nothing but fight for you. prove me wrong

Any comprehensive healthcare plan for all americans (read: Any version of mc4a) will cost less than americans currently already spend on healthcare.

Stop dodging the question. Her campaign provided an estimate for the cost of her plan. What is that estimate?

See

I don't fucking know, her website is unusable. You apparently know, so tell me.

Good job missing the point dumbass. If you do not know the amount then how can you make the claim that it will be cheaper than what it is replacing. You are just parroting propaganda.

Calm down. Its still cheaper than doing nothing, and you know it.

Bull shit.

It will cost as much as she can get. She works for the insurance companies, after all.

Her campaign also provided a fake scandal to CNN. It really doesn't matter what her campaign says about anything.

If you believe this, you'll believe anything

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She voted for nixon, ford, reagan (twice), ghwb (twice), and Dole before becoming a democrat.

>If you do not know the amount then how can you make the claim that it will be cheaper than what it is replacing.
Yeah we only have empirical evidence from every other developed country in the fucking world

>will fight for the middle class
>has billionaire campaign donor(s)

these two are mutually exclusive retard, she's already been bought like a saipan whore

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She wants to take my money, buy me something that she thinks i want, then give me that thing.

Fuck her. I can just buy it myself. What kind of stupid cunt runs on that platform and furthermore, what kind of stupid cunt votes for a stupid cunt like that?
Having said that, I hope she wins the nomination so i can watch the trump warren debate shit show.

Those countries are being used as a false equivalence to compare to America. We have different amounts of people, different levels of healthcare and systemic disease like obesity and diabetes. We have a better economy and a higher living standard then pretty much anybody else and college costs more here so doctors expect more money for their higher quality of work. I actually don’t think you could pick a better example for a false equivalence fallacy. Just because some other country has 100 million less people than us and no dental plans doesn’t mean you get to compare the price tags flat across each other.
You’re a fucking moron if you think it will be cheaper here. Go ahead and reply with an insult or deflection but no actual argument like every single other left winger on this website. It really shows which side id the smarter one when you can’t handle a debate

Well, right now $800 billion a year is lost to health insurance profits. You understand that that's literally by definition money that was paid FOR healthcare that didn't go TO healthcare. If the government collected every existing insurance premium as a tax and provided exactly the same in services as now, we'd save $800 billion a year.

And the thing is, if we had a national plan things wouldn't be ridiculously expensive just because they could get away with it, so the cost would go down a bunch too, leading to even more savings.

> college costs more here

If the government would stop making these loans then the price would go back down. The only reason it's so fucking expensive now is all the damn money chasing it.... Just like every thing else in economics . Government *is* the problem.

Look at the EU. That is the Nation-state equivalent to the United States, not Sweden. We have just been tied together for longer so the division between states is smaller.

Come talk to me when the EU manages to give its entire population the same socialized medical care without massively fucking it up.

You're totally right. Remember that on your flight to Cuba or Venezuela to experience their outstanding health care like all the others that whine about ours. It's not like thousands of people a year come to the United States for surgery. I mean, that would mean we have one of the best systems in the world. Go Socialism! 100,000,000 dead and counting!!!

>We have different amounts of people
That doesn't notably influence per capita cost.
> different levels of healthcare and systemic disease like obesity and diabetes
You already pay for those. The question is, do you want to finance the cheap maintenance or the expensive ER treatments? Because you already pay for the latter.
> We have a better economy and a higher living standard then pretty much anybody else
Many countries can easily keep up with both. That doesn't change the point.
> and college costs more here so doctors expect more money for their higher quality of work.
The cost of doctors is a very minor factor in overall healthcare costs.

What is massive factors is all the wasted effort going towards pricing and negotiating with insurances. It's all the ER visits from people who couldn't afford a doctor. It's price gouging from suppliers controlling the market.

>Come talk to me when the EU manages to give its entire population the same socialized medical care without massively fucking it up.
There's some difference between states but all of the EU has that.

Shes a corrupt, lying politician.
Follow the money, as always.
Government lies because of government ties.
I'd take trumps corrupt ass again before I took her.

Hey Ivan - it’s “ivory tower”. Your translation program sucks.

Bitch can't hold a candle to the Trump, anyone who's not a complete faggoty bitch is voting for him.

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Oh God please yes, that or Biden, either one is going to be fucking amazing to watch, I want the level of complete fail to break the internet.

BTFO HOLY SHIT

>loose
greetings comrade

THIS, so much this. The dems could have picked Tulsi Gabbard, an attractive war veteran who is as articulate as Hillary but without the Clinton baggage, but nooooooo, the DNC is a version of the "cool kidz club" from high school, and unless you're in the club, they will kneecap you.

InB4 I just wanna fuck Gabbard. I do, but so what, she's hot.

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Tulsi is Present.

The reason I said "give its entire population the same socialized medical care" is because there are significant differences between US states just like there are between EU states. The USA is not some monolithic mass where everything is exactly the same. Every state has a different economy and costs of living. Medical costs are different, as well as common medical issues.

Calling for the entire US to enact a single all encompassing medical system is never going to work because it is impossible. We have socialized medical care for certain portions of the population and it is a complete clusterfuck because of the reasons I listed as well as many others. Imagine an administrator in Poland deciding what procedures are medically necessary and their priority for people in Belgium. That is the sort of thing that happens with top level national policies. Local policies is the only thing that can possibly work, just like in the EU where each member state can enact their own policies. And guess what? In the US we are free to make our own social policies. My insurance through my union is functionally identical to socialized medical care except probably better as it requires members to contribute to the policy unless they are unable for reasons beyond their control.

So again, come back when when the EU manages to give its entire population the same socialized medical care without massively fucking it up.

Trump got rich the old fashioned way, by buying politicians and fucking over other real estate tycoons, most of whom are jews. Who cares if either of those groups got fucked?

Warren, Sanders and Biden all got rich trading off their positions in government, which means, they fucked US, the little guys they're supposed to protect.

Fuck THEM.

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>white tower liberal elite pedigree all the way
you realize during that time she was a stalwart conservative, don't you? Fucking moron.

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he got rich by inheriting money dumbshit.

And I accuse you of partisan hackery. McConnell made himself enormously rich as a senator and you don't give as hit about that, do you?

i would rather put Hillary in. at least hillary is a fucking G Murderer

that maymay was old in the early 90s you dumb zoomer

>Calling for the entire US to enact a single all encompassing medical system is never going to work because it is impossible.
Hard to believe that this is the country that once sent a man to the moon. How the mighty have fallen.

Same

>not talking about McConnell

Trump got $100 mil from dad. Turned it into $4-10 Billion (depending on who you believe, Forbes, Fortune or Trump) by betting his sack in NY real estate. Went broke twice, but bounced back and then became President.

Kennedy inherited money too, if you wanna play the "whatabout" game.

Sanders still isn't rich by the standards of a senator. His wealth is just that of his normal income from his position. That's not enriching yourself, that's getting paid.

You do realize that the space race was a public missile competitions right? That was military spending to compete with a military opponent. Besides that, rockets are cheap. A Saturn V launch cost less than an average of $200 million. That is nothing compared to the estimated cost of socialized medical care for the US at over $100 billion annually.

I'm not talking about a fucking missile program. I'm talking about spirit. The US used to be a country where "impossible" didn't exist. A country that aspired to greatness. That looked at challenges as something to be overcome, not shied away from.
To declare something that other countries have already done as impossible because the US is a little different is nothing short of pathetic. The american spirit is dead.

The whole political situation in America now basically boils down to this. A bunch of ignorant, loud-mouthed hillbillies have been allowed to exert WAY more influence on America's political machinery than is in any way healthy for America. This was advantageous and profitable for a number of different big business interests over the last 40 years or so. The "media" only cares about having an entertaining show to watch. The media has no interest in the actual outcome, just that the show remains interesting to watch. Now here we are.

She’s a goddamn lying cunt. Why on earth would you elect an old lady who’s a compulsive liar?

Worked for an old guy.

She wants to push more feminism and destroy men. That's fucking why. That's why people picked Trump over Hilary, Hlary literally wanted to neuter men and have them all metoo'd with two bullets in the back of every single male in America's head.

Fuck Elizabeth warren, she got caught lying about how she was native american, what a fucking clown.

When white people were in charge of it, and "excuses" were not permitted. That generation was the greatest of Americans. The current generation is a fucking joke.

did you just call me a liar on national tv

Imagine being this retarded, kek

NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T YOU FUCKING RETARD. Not when your platform is all built on "men are the ones who lie, I'm a woman, look at me, I don't lie".

Fuck these feminist cunts, and lying whores. I'd rather take Trump lying, over Elizabeth lying,

2020 voting
>kinda want to vote for warren to see how badly she fucks up
>kinda want to vote trump again to see the democrats cry again

As a Trump voter I hope Bernie wins the primary

Imagine wanting an angry grandma to run your country.

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Trump lies and you make $$$ and the chinks and sand niggers cry

Warren lies and she takes your wallet away from you. The chinks and sand niggers start eyeing your white girlfriend and smiling.

A little more likable than Hillary, also the last minority in it for the Dems.

She is younger than donny, you dumb fuck

yeah, but Trump is fuckin awesome

I think the DNC is going to knee-cap Bernie all over again. It'll be Warren or Biden.

Sanders will be the Thomas E. Dewey of this era.

Biden is the only one with a chance in hell of beating Trump

bullshit, every other developed nation provides for universal coverage.

So awesome, bigly

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no, he's pathetic

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>you already pay for those.
Umm no i don’t. I eat healthy and exercise. Don’t force me to subsidize other bad choices (something you would never understand considering it is the foundation of your entire fucking party)

>many countries can easily keep up with both
Then why don’t they user?
We have the best fucking one. By far.

>the cost of doctors is a minor factor in overall healthcare costs.
Could you back that one up? I’m calling bullshit.

>Price gouging from suppliers controlling the market
So why don’t you open up your own insurance company cut prices a little bit and run the whole market and become a fucking billionaire user. Thats whats so awesome about capitalism. If somebody is price gouging you get to come in undercut them and take all their business at a reasonable profit. I mean thats just fucking common sense.

$100 million that would be worth over $300 million today. By just riding the stock market for a few decades, he'd be a billionaire anyway.

And my point is that you only care about politicians making money when they're democrats because, as I previously accused, you are a partisan hack.

And they hate it unless they’re destitute

my cousin died of bone cancer at age 14 after a 4 year fight and his parents will never pay off that medical debt. What bad choices did my cousin make? Should he have eaten healthier and done more exercise?

Biden is also suffering from early stages of Alzheimer's. Anyone who has a family member with Alzheimer's can see that. The MSM is just ignoring it like kids with their fingers in their ears going "la-la-la-la-la..."

This isn't just to insult Biden - lots of other ways to do that - this is just a statement of fact. The guy has brain cells dying right before our very eyes.

Not gonna happen. DNC wants Biden. This 'primary' is just training for him.

Wrong. Because middle class and above families will still have to pay more for a better class of private health care. One that works.

And Democrats will cry about how unfair it is that they have to wait for rationed services while those who pay extra have good private services.

no, they do not. I work with Spanish, Dutch and Irish colleagues and they all think we're idiots for our system. Hell my new hire is Brazilian and she still pays the $20/month to her home country, on top of what our employer takes out, because it would still be cheaper to have anything major done there. My other employee, out of Brockville, also thinks our system is idiotic.

lol if you're so worried about mental decay, how can you support Trump?

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MA fag here. If you go to the "never-Trump" pro Warren strongholds like Brookline and Cambridge and ask her most loyals supporters what she has accomplished. They wouldnt even be able to tell you.

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>guise biden mental health is getting worse
Meanwhile the stable genius says "windmills cause cancer" , fucking kek

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Thats what insurance is for buckaroo. Not my fault your parents made an anecdotal bad decision.

Love it when faggots point out that "hurr, if he sat there like a zoomer and played TF2 for years, he'd still be a billionaire.

The dude BET HIS SACK in the real estate market and went broke TWICE - which means he clawed his way BACK to being a Billionaire.

It is so easy for someone who has never made anything of themselves to mock a guy like Trump - but the truth is, every other politician born of filthy rich parents never bet their sack in anything - JFK didn't gamble HIS fortune - he let Dad get him the Presidency. Same with Roosevelt, same with Bobby Kennedy.

Trump is the only one we've had that has done it all.

Your cousin’s parents*

>Umm no i don’t. I eat healthy and exercise.
You do, you dumbass. Who do you think foots unpaid hospital bills of poor obese fags?
>We have the best fucking one. By far.
The absolute fucking delusion of americans
> Could you back that one up? I’m calling bullshit.
When a surgery costs six figures then the doc isn't more than 1% of that, or his yearly wage is paid in two weeks.
> So why don’t you open up your own insurance company cut prices a little bit and run the whole market and become a fucking billionaire user.
Legal barriers. Also, I don't have the billions in investment money, and anyone who does would rather continue to price gouge. If you start with less, you don't have the market power to change anything.

>its your parents fault their son got cancer and medical bill are high
Wow you are stupid

Trump still makes USMCA, and China Trade Deal plus builds Wall and beats impeachment.

Then goes and eats 2 Big Mac's and fucks his Supermodel wife while Biden is still trying to remember which state he's in.

Not gonna happen.

Fuck that shit. She's just another person that wants to give away the money I worked hard for, to people that just want hand outs. Fuck her and non-indian ass

horsetrump

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Builds a wall that you are paying for
Um he got impeached, he didn't beat it. If you mean beat it by bootlicking repubs wont remove him from office? No surpirse there that they wont do what no senate has done before.

lol the cult of personality is so real. I have never worshipped another human like you worship Trump and I never will.

And may the best liar win!

So what about healthcare plans from South Korea or the UK or even Canada? Surely their economies are collapsing as we speak no?

They've been trying all along. Isn't working. The DNC is just a bunch of Republicans, easy to outsmart.

so you basically vote for penises. that's gay brah

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>Umm no i don’t. I eat healthy and exercise. Don’t force me to subsidize other bad choices (something you would never understand considering it is the foundation of your entire fucking party)

Way to completely miss the point. You’re paying for uninsured people through hidden costs. A bandaid in the ER costs your insurance $600 because you’re subsidizing the uninsured junkies and diabetics.

>But her entire political career so far has been spent fighting for against the corporate political interest.
You lie as well as she does, i.e. poorly.

All the Nordic countries have it. Germany, the Netherlands, the UK...all socialist hellscapes where the living envy the dead?

Yea you need to honest like donny. Like how he didnt like about soldiers getting hurt when iran missile attacked our base in iraq

This was back before the ACA so the insurance dropped him once the costs got too high. You know, like your boy Trump wants to bring back by killing off eebil Obamacare.

don't give 3 fucks who pays for the wall. he took so much $$$$ manufacturing jobs away from Mexico they may as well be paying for it.

impeached = same as Clinton. Good one, guys, you have linked Trump and Clinton for all eternity. I'm sure Trump cries about that when he's raw dogging his supermodel wife while clinton sits there with his chastity belt on extra tight.

Don't worship anyone brah - but being glad we got us a man as POTUS who is actually accomplishing the task of making this country great again is all right with me.

you kids ought to stop playing so much Fortnite.

I dont like this woman at all. She makes these indignant old white woman faces. It reminds me of my mother and I really can't stand that bitch. She also is not articulate when she is poot on the spot. Not to mention I have been Libritarian my whole life. I can't get down with a Warren or a Sanders. I am amazed how Yang completely won me over to his cause. He isn't a nannystate shill like this woman is. Bloomberg is the worst though. Thank God he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. I hope that fucker dies real soon before he can fuck up amarica nore with his funding of all his NannyState bullshit.

dumbass OP doesn't know that she was a hardcore market conservative until the 90s.

>damage control
you already made your adulation apparent, don't try to walk it back. He's actually accomplished very little unless you were in that top tax bracket.

lmao you got any other arguments other than "communist countries have free healthcare and therefore it's bad and corporatism good"

The only cap my insurance has is a maximum that I can pay per year. If I break that cap my insurance pays literally everything, including my regular copay. If I become unable to work due to medical reasons, I keep my coverage without having to pay.

I will never have medical debt because I make good decisions. You cousin's parents did not.

>It's not like thousands of people a year come to the United States for surgery.
It's because socialized health care doesn't generally consider breast implants or lipo more important than open heart surgery so you have to wait a few months to have huge fake titties. Or you can come to america and have it done in 3 days for $10k.

But keep on screaming that "people come here so it must be good!!!" as if "better than cambodia" is the fucking medal you wanna hold up.

don't call it corporatism. It's fascism. Call it what it is.

There's a difference between being a liar and just simply being wrong. But hey, if it's okay for Trump to constantly lie about literally everything, then that makes it right for the Dems, too, right?

> I have been Libritarian my whole life
... and yet you can't spell "Libertarian" correctly?

You do, you dumbass. Who do you think foots unpaid hospital bills of poor obese fags?
oh I misunderstood your point then. I’m sure that a portion of bills price is inflated due to others being unable to pay theirs. I’d imagine it would be alot worse though and I would have a lower quality of care and much higher taxes if we changed so i’m still in the realm of lessor of two evils.

>the absolute delusion of Americans
Oh so what you are saying is you aren't American but your are still obsessed with changing MY COUNTRIES rules and regulations? That pretty much proves i’m better than you. In every. Single. Way. Whatever country you are from. We don’t think about you. Because you are trash.

>when a surgery costs six figures
Oh I guess you are forgetting about the multiple doctors, nurses, and hospital administration required for successful surgeries. Labor is pretty much 80% of the cost homie. Keep dreaming. I’d rather not have quintesha from McDonalds having her unwashed dirty little nigger hands in my body because we had to hire less qualified help to reduce the costs.

>legal barriers and money.
Idk user. I mean if its that simple and great of an idea i’m pretty sure you could easily find some willing investors. This is America after all.

Sauce on claim we took jobs from Mexico? Seems like we are getting NAFTA V2.0. Also kek at you think he still sleeps with his wife when they have separate bedrooms in the WH. You supreme leader is a cuck you faggot. But I'm glad you dont care that he lies.to you constantly and you lap it up like a real good bootlicker

Sanders got "rich" by writing some bestsellers you numpty. And he's still practically poverty level by senator standards because he DOESN'T sell his office.

Fucking christ man, if you're gonna lie you gotta do it at least a little better than trump.

sure kid. You go on with your little liberal fantasies now. Those of us who actually work and run companies know just how much better the country has gotten this last 3 years.

Trump has 5 more years, faggot.

Count 'em f-i-v-e.

Let me explain this more clearly for your low IQ tiny fuck boy brain okay?
We have something called insurance here. You don’t get free healthcare here which means you don’t have to pay for it and everybody elses through your taxes. You can just pay for your own. Or you could also be a street rat and irresponsibly not buy any and then also make the irresponsible decision to have a child which you clearly aren’t taking care of correctly if you don’t get health insurance for them. Your cousins parents deserved to have their child die. They were irresponsible dumb fuck faggots. If they had insurance they would have easily paid the medical bills and insurance premium compared to what they are paying now

Make sense now retard?

biden. I want to hear his excuse for groping all those children

Suck my dick on "sauce" you got Google, friendo.

As for fucking his wife, you're woefully ignorant if you think that Trump doesn't fuck. That guy has seen more ass than a toilet seat at Yankee Stadium.

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ah yes, the "I'm highly successful but I shitpost on a dated imageboard" line. YAWN

Sorry
Meant to reply to

Sure kid, just wait until something happens, then you'll realize how fucked the medical billing and insurance system is.

white isn't a minority

She has never fought for me. I have $0 debt of any kind (called living within your means u whinny faggs shuld try it). I am an ardent believer in the constitution (2a) even though I don't own any guns. I really like my health insurance almost 0 co-pays and low deductable (even with bad eyes and chronic ulcers). I don't like the way she sounds or the way she looks with that stupid ass surprised face she almost always has. She is one of the least relatable people I know of.

Shut up, RR, you lying hilljack

are you me? zero debt, living within means, 2a... we agree

Kek so butthurt and angry. I'm not even that user but find it funny you think kids with cancer should die because of costs. Also not all insurance covers everything, not all job offer insurance that covers everything. Even if you are told they will cover everything, they wont, as soon as you start trying to get them to pay you'll see the walls come up.

This man is 73 years old

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Anyone else think her ass isn't bad in that video? I might even fap to the thought of bending her over and breach loading her.

>you go googling and waste your time trying to prove me right
Kek, no. Just admit you are lying. Also cuck daddy donny has to pay for sex, kek

This man is also 73 years old

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It’s called a max out of pocket.
You don’t have to pay for shit after you pat a certain amount. Period.

Thats kid deserved to die am I’m glad e got cancer. It’s a fucking lesson for retards. Pay for health insurance instead of alcohol, weed, and hookers.

use a more current picture feggit

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One of these men fucks Supermodels and, yes, Porn Stars, and the other fucks Hillary Clinton.

You be the judge of which man you'd rather be.

this was before the ACA made that a requirement. you're too young to remember how it was then. when your orange god takes us back, you'll realize how shitty it was.

Sure kid, I hope you are right for you sake but I know insurance companies def tighten their wallets when it comes for you asking for money. Also I hope a family member gets cancer and you watch them die as they try to pay for treatment so you can learn how dumb you are

lol no

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I dont think you understand anything aside from what your right wing dad told you. You absolutely are paying for Medicare and Medicaid if you are working. We have always had a national health care system. But instead of the poor or elderly just getting covered, people want everyone covered. Medicare and Medicaid are thoroughly abused and overbilled by insurance companies and hospitals alike, if we were to abolish Medicare and Medicaid and replace with a regulated coverage for everyone, cleaned up the gouging practices the money is already there. If you are working your taxes already pay for people's insurance.

a state paid servant of the elites and herself,,

I think what you faggots both don't understand that the problem with the US healthcare system is that the lawyers made everything so expensive with malpractice and drug lawsuits.

Neurosurgeons have to pay $500k a year for malpractice insurance. Think THAT might raise the cost of brain surgery, hmmm?

So what you are saying is things are fine now, nothing meeds to be changed and your are quoting primitive out of date anecdotal personal instances?

So you'd rather be Clinton. Got it.

Soyboi cuck. Go take your neutering meds now.

That's a horrible argument. Cuba has one of the best healthcare systems in the world. Also people travel to Cuba for medical procedures from everywhere but the USA. You could learn that with a quick Google search my guy. That said their system would never work here and vice versa for many reasons, like they are scocialists, doctor's earn less then $50 a month, they have to many doctors actually. Whenever there is a disaster I. The world Cuba loads up a few planes full of doctors and send them there to help. Fuck that Warren bitch though, I hate everything that comes out of her stupid old white woman mouth. P.S. U still don't know what your talking about, idiot.

bullshit. I work for Abbott and I can tell you our margins are obscene

My family has good insurance and we are responsible so that won’t be an issue. I hope your shit tier country economically collapses on itself for over taxing and billing it’s citizens for shit they didn’t do and you die in the riots.
It happens every. Single. Time. Just gotta let it take its course. History repeats itself after all.
Have fun!

You like donny are so strong and brave

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Kid. That's cute. I'm probably older than you. More to the point, I know people that have had to stop working due to medical issues. Guess what? They kept their insurance.

Being a union member is great.

absolutely. clinton isn't going to prison

Why wouldn’t they still have to buy insurance if we had universal healthcare? Are we putting a clause of immunity for all medical procedures performed by doctors in the bill as well?
Sounds safe...

Also lawyers don’t set insurance rates.
You might need to go back to school

your daddy's "good insurance" is only going to cover you as much as they want once the ACA is gone.

Oh so you dont even have your own insurance and mommy and daddy pays yours? No wonder you have no idea of what happens when you get a boo boo. Come back when to the discussion when you are 26 and off you're parents insurance

wait, you're union and supporting republicans??? LMFAO

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Yeah too bad there aren't any white men in congress any more... KYS.

Thats not how that works. There are legal contracts terms and conditions involved in health insurance. You sound heavily uneducated and thats a disappointment for your team. Who’s gonna side with you when you start pulling arguments out of your ass user?

Yeah thats not what i said at all. I buy my families health insurance. Something you’d never understand because you are attached to your governments teets. Thats probably where the confusion stemmed from

>union
Kek, so you paid extra for certain benefits that wouldnt have gotten otherwise? Wow it's like you already paid for your socialized healthcare, wasnt it nice?

He never turned his $400 million into 4 to 10 billion. Look at his income tax, all Presidents share that with the people. Ohhhh wait that's right. He's the guy who Sue's people that call him a millionaire instead of a billionair because he's a whinny fat bitch and the truth is alien to him. You fucking bandwagon jumpers are all brainwashed shit heads. P.S. I'm a Republican but this incompetent Putin and Israeli dick sucking tard needs to go before his sickness spreads further.

You get kicked off your families insurance at 26. You'll learn that soon enough and the learn how much things really cost when momma and daddy arent footing the bills.

Paying for issues in a relatively small union and paying for issues in an entire country seem like a false equivalence to me

so adorably naive. As soon as the ACA is dead, they'll restore those "max payments" clauses like they used to have. You are counting on a perk that is relatively new and that Republicans can't wait to kill because the insurance lobby hates it.

Man i love this. You are attacking me for things that don’t even apply to me. I’m so happy I was able to make you this mad. So I guess this means I won right?

Max out of pockets existed before ACA user. I can choose whatever plan i want in the free market
Please cry more for me

Aw lil guy doesnt understand that he paid extra for benefits from the union which is the same as if you paid extra for universal healthcare, kek

>you're mad and I won
Kek, sure kid

yes, but max out of pocket used to come with an asterisk that said the insurance company could basically stop paying when they hit a really high number. Your confidence is built on a false premise.

The private insurance industry is not out to help you, always remember that. They want to take in more than they pay out, and liabilities will be cut.

Yah back then you could buy a house for $8000, a gallon of gas was 15 cents, a pack of smokes was 50 cents, minimum wage was around a dollar. It's called inflation. You might learn about it when you get into high school. The rockets cast that a pice in 60s bucks my man. Your not including the billions of research and development of these things either and all the ancillary programs. The knowledge of you Trumpers shines so fucking bright. I'm blinded. Ohh hey kid I voted for McCain too *wink wink* u shill

How are we going to pay for those tax breaks, corporate socialism, bail outs for the rich, the war budget with is bigger than the next biggest 6 countries?
When the money is going to help the people you ask how are we going to pay for it, even when there is overwhelming proof it will save money. When it's socialism for the wealthy, and the corporations there is silence. What it shows is that you are a parrot of the companies, the billionares and the status quo.

I’m the user that you are replying to but i’m different then the union dude. I just thought what you said was retarded and wanted to point it out really quick.

Communism and socialism works in a small scale with no niggers or other ruining things for the hard working people. Unions are applicable in that scenario. I mean it’s why the nazi’s were so successful

So tell me this why do you pay extra dues in unions? What does that do for you?

Thats because sometimes no matter how much you pay you can’t save somebody user.
The government isn’t gonna pay 78 million dollars for a 9 year old with stage 8 leukemia either. What you are implying and insinuating and what reality is are two different things. I guess you just didn’t expect to come across somebody articulate enough to dissect your bullshit and feed it back to you eh? A shame

She is a woman, I fucking hate women. If she’s elected they’ll feel empowered and we will NEVER hear the end of it. Women are the niggers of gender, and we already saw what happens when you put a nigger in the White House.

To add to my post here () I also find it funny you think unions dont have lazy niggers in them. Kek, the joke about unions is they send 5 guys for a 1 guy job

Reread my post user. I’m pretty sure you are retarded. I just told you i’m a different user then union user

You just proved my point. Thats a perfect example of why socialism is terrible. Thanks

I'm in a union and brother to brother, you're a fucking moron. What do you think our dues are for? What do you think we bargain for during contract negotiations? Do you think the company you work for just sets aside your healthcare plan and negotiates the wages separately? Your company is always trying to leverage healthcare cost against your wages, you are paying for universal healthcare amongst your co-workers already. My God you're a dim bulb. Also by the way you're a socialist if you are in a union. All the guys I work with that claim to be hardcore alright wingers are fucking laughable. I always tell them to give up your union negotiated bonuses and benefits but they never do, in the end they are happy little democratic socialists, with safe jobs and great benefits just like you.

You work for a union too, answer my question

So unions good, socialism bad? Interesting

Actually I don’t work for a union

i already explained to you the difference in this post.. Are you okay?

actually in countries with national healthcare, the government will pay as much as is needed until care is no longer effective.

>It's different so it won't work
That's your opinion and you have no evidence to make that conclusion.
What we do have is every other 1st world country where it works as evidence.
This isn't magic, it's expanded coverage and lower costs. Things will be tweaked to suit our living standards. Your qualms about switching is just something that there will be studies on if there is a problem and adjustments made to keep the machine working more efficiently. A machine not working as efficient is not a reason to let people die.

I'm not a union fag and you said what I'm arguing, the union basically provides the same thing as socialism and user was all my union insurance is boss and socialism bad

Thats exactly what i just said thanks for agreeing with me

and you think private insurance, with a profit incentive, will be MORE charitable than a government? That's cute.

Also thanks for conceding that private insurance will cut someone off eventually despite your previous denials. It happened, Trump wants to bring it back, but you're immortal so it's no problem right?

Also, what private plan are you going to get instead of medicare in your old age? Can't take that medicare, it's evil socialism.

Medicare already exists, Medicaid already exists.

Zing. This man is 100% correct. Your argument has run out of steam other dude.

Dude you lost. You don't have to go all REEEEEEEEEEEEE. Take your L like a man.

I’ll play your game and come down to your level to use your own argument against you but you aren't gonna like it

>do you think insurance companies are more charitable than the government?!1!?!1?!
Umm yeah I do. Governments aren't charitable user. Do you think corrupt people don’t work in government and only in insurance? At least with a free market I get to choose who fucks me over and how. Your ideology doesn’t give me a choice. Also you want to take my guns away so theres nothing i can even do about it and nobody i can go to when the government does *inevitably* decide to fuck me over.
So yes user i’m voting red come this November.
Straight down the entire fucking ballot.

Medical debt can be written off.

bendable politician, just like clinton. Popular because she says what she thinks is popular, not because what she thinks is right resonates with the majority.

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that's stupid. The government isn't trying to make money, private insurance is. Nobody in government wins by kicking some poor kid with cancer off coverage, but someone at UHC sure as shit will.

with absolutely no downside right? Dumbass. Just stop paying and everything's fucking aces.

yeah fuck the majority right? This is a minority-rule country now.

Well, isn’t your entire argument about republicans trying to kick kids with cancer off of their insurance for money. You know... the republicans in the government?
Also what makes you think democrats wouldn’t spend enough money for the poor black disabled trans kid with cancer to bankrupt the country? I mean they are willing to pay for the medical expenses of non citizens already. Is my tax rate gonna be 80%? Why should I even work?

posting frogs in 2020 is like posting rage comics in 2016 or "lulz" in 2010. Having a political opinion for any party, candidate, or ideology stronger than cautious skepticism after 1900 AD is bluepill cringe 9001.

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congrats, you failed to understand the post you replied to in its entirety and the noise bouncing around your brain produced an output in absence of any real thought.

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As a bargaining rep, do you know how miserable it is to bargain collectively for pseudo right wing, Shapiro/Limbaugh listening idiots that are union members? Just like Joe the plumber during the McCain election spouting all his anti union, union members are lazy bullshit. Only to turn around and take a union job at Jeep. Then quit because the work was too hard. These are the idiots we deal with

Having your job and fellow cohorts collectively support you and your government are very different user

Whats it like losing to Trump supporters?
Again?

so you basically fail reading comprehension. that's retarded, brah

>just kidding
>it's two white chicks

A charlatan that lied her whole life to get places no thank you

>replace with a regulated coverage for everyone, cleaned up the gouging practices
>forgot to add "simply" to the beginning of that
Are you even trying?