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Literally everything you just listed is a reason to not vote for a Democrat at all. Everything you listed is unAmerican. I'll take care of myself, so should everyone else, not be a titty baby of the government. Voting for Trump because he's gonna shake shit up on these career politicians when he walks out the door in four more years.

OP proves one again, to be a faggot.

now why would i vote for anyone old as dirt and white?

More likely: Trump running for his 3rd term in 2024 or Sanders winning once?

>VOTE FOR BERNIE or DON'T VOTE AT ALL
Hilarious as it would be, when the DNC cucks Bernie again you'll have to vote for somebody else.

>the president can break the law and get away with it
Anybody with wealth and power can. New here on Earth?

>everyone pays their fair share
Who decided what's fair?

>Federal minimum wage to $15 an hour.
I think it'd be hilarious to see people paying $20 for a Big Mac meal while the McJerkoffs get replaced with touchscreens.

>Universal background checks for weapon purchase and a ban on anti-personnel weapons. Weapons that are designed for killing humans as effectively as possible. (The current system is not protecting us.)
Get fucked.

>Vote for bernie or dont vote at all

boy I love democracy

already voted

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Bernie Sanders is a gun grabbing communist

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Same thing was said about Obama, and yet he never came for your guns

Gun grab, open borders, "climate migrants", massive tax hike and anti-white. Single issue voters just see gibs, weed, free school and free healthcare, ignoring all the base far-left insanity. I welcome Sanders only because I believe he's a guaranteed civil war.

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He did, he just backed off knowing it was suicide for the country. The current left will go straight for them, giving no fucks because they've lost their minds grasping at power.

except this dude has straight up said he is going to come for guns once the political winds blew that way, even after he said previously you could keep them. he's admitted he just doesn't know how yet.

Well I wasn’t going to vote just like in 2027 but now I think I will, for Trump. Because you retards won’t shut the fuck up

>it will be the mark of a new era, that the president can break the law and get away with it.
Or, the Dems can claim he broke the law, fail miserably at proving it, and the media can run with the narrative.

I'd rather Trump be allowed a second term (the damage was already done by his election) than give an inch of ground to the Dems who are turning serious proceedings into impulsive political tools. And I generally vote Dem.

>1. The end of private prison systems.
Agreed.
>2. Tax equality— everyone pays their fair share.
Equality would be unavoidable flat tax rates. Bernie opposed this, favoring tax equity. I do not support his approach.
>70% tax on the wealthy?? Doesn't that meant that the government will take 70% of their income??
>No.
He wants to tax billionaires out of existence. No thanks.
>3. Federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. (This hasn't been updated since 2009.)
This would raise unemployment to double digits within months. Automation would be fast tracked. It would kill the lower class.
>4. Public college/university tuition paid by the Wall Street Speculation Tax.
Fuck that. College is a commodity, not a right. Get a degree that pays the cost.
>5. Elimination of the Electoral College. A system that was best suited for the 1800s and not the modern era.
I don't want CA to be able to vote to tax me, steal my resources, etc. The electoral college is 100% relevant to everyone not living in CA and NY.
>6. Universal background checks for weapon purchase and a ban on anti-personnel weapons.
Just accept the 2nd amendment, then we can talk about licensing firearms.
>7. Universal medical insurance. Healthcare is a human right.
No, it is a commodity. Just allow Medicare to compete with private insurance, problem solved
>8. Marijuana legalization and the rescinding of previous convictions.
Agreed
>9. The military budget reduced. We will still be the best-funded military in the world.
Sure, if it's not a retarded approach to reduced budget
>10. This is a man that cares about YOU and wants to see our great country flourish. The system and plans that Bernie has in-store will accomplish a lot in his term and will get us moving in the right direction.
He's a socialist, idealist, life long politician tha has never had a job and never accomplished any policy. He's weak, physically and politically. He's old. And he can't win.

based bernie

Bait aside;
Bernie is hated by
>Dems
>Reps
>Trump
>Media
>Establishment
He's clearly the candidate to pick on that alone.

5. Elimination of the Electoral College. A system that was best suited for the 1800s and not the modern era.

So LA Philadelphia and NY city can control the country?

You’re an idiot. Go back to civics class.

all those things work in other countries (Denmark, Germany, Norway, etc) are you saying America is too retarded to accomplish something some dumb vikings can do? Are you saying America is too retarded to scale it up? Are you admitting you're retarded?

Elimination of the electoral college doesn't mean not developing and testing new systems better suited for the modern era; c'mon user, you're not that retarded.

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>has never had a job
he didnt become a politician till he was in his 40s... and are you saying being a mayor isnt a "job". lets see you run a city, jackass.

>politician
>only non-political position you list is mayor
Retard

Lol

Fuck that old communist faggot.

No, an effective 70% tax doesn't work anywhere. And yeah, you need a $15 min wage if most of it is taxed away. Free college snd healthcare are not free. It's great if your country is living off of oil money, like the Swedes (who also complain thd loudest about the evils of oil). But providing those things to 30x the population, in diverse locations, with a nonhomogenous culture, is not possible. You could reduce the military budget to zero and tax all earnings above $1m at 100% and you still couldn't pay for it.

I don't want to live in Denmark, or Norway, or Germany. I've been to all those places and a lot more. They are cool in some ways, but they lack a real liberal backbone. Individuality is not protected in a meaningful way, independence from the state is not a priority. The US is vastly superior in that way, our constitution provides that. Is if perfect? No. But the evils that it causes are far worth the benefits.

Not user, but I really don't give a fuck about alternatives. The electoral college serves its purpose well, and any move to remove or alter it will be voted down by me. Even if that means voting for a bad orange man over a saint.

I was gonna offer a response but this user hits it very well

Sage this thread

ITT: A fucking idiot that doesn't know differences between "socialist" and"communist" is, and still uses it as a pleyorative word. But I'm going to use two minutes of my life to try to teach you something.

Bernie at best is Center on the real political spectrum. All the things that you call "Left/Communist/Socialist" or all that idiotic language that you use are on the Center of the political spectrum. The left per se doesn't exist, it's social democratic, because the real left would be calling for the seizing of the means of production. But don't worry, anything that's real left/far left (in the real world, not in an American point of view) gets killed by the CIA.

Godspeed, and please, read a fucking book.

yeah, Bernie has my vote

Where are you even getting the 70% from? And why are you pretending that a minimum wage worker would be taxed to the same degree as a multimillionaire.
You seem very confident that free healthcare and education are completely impossible to implement here, seems like an excuse to justify inaction and stagnation.

shut up you communist faggot

Bernie 2020 Baby!
I love him. He's the most honest politician in the entire fucking party.

Bernie 2020

Completely agree

Go bernie!!

Dear Putin - we know how much you want Bernie to be president, but Trump is going to win no matter how many dumb leftist bots you send here. So fuck off.

KAG 2020

I don't think Bernie's policies will work on a practical level, and I believe they will lead us towards a massive expansion of state powers that will tend towards authoritarianism.

The status quo isn't terrible, and it's a profoundly mischaracterized argument to imply that Trump did anything illegal. I, personally, see absolutely no positional or moral failure in his actions or inaction. He's kind of a dick, by the worst realistic interpretation.

No he won't. If he was going to, he already would have. Trump has a big plan but has been a pretty normal Republican in terms of enacted policy.

>The overton window moved, therefore he's a centrist

Whew lad.

>Bernie Sanders Born: September 8, 1941 (age 78 years)
>Donald Trump Born: June 14, 1946 (age 73 years)
b-b-b-benis :DD

1. Let all the prisoners out. And put the rest under the management of the government, which is demonstrably incompetent. You'll either have constant prison breaks, constant prison riots, or the prisons will become humanitarian shitholes. That'll work out, great. If you have any complaints whatsoever about the border detention centers, then you don't have any right to imply that the government could run the prison system more effectively.
2. I'd be amenable to an expansion of tax brackets for incomes over $800,000, and 1.5 million, and maybe ending the charitable contributions tax break (because let's be honest, that opens up lots of ways for companies to launder money). But a lot of Bernie's rhetoric only works if they either attack capital holdings directly (wealth, rather than income, which would immediately lead to capital flight), or increase the capital gains tax (which would slow down economic growth substantially by discouraging investment).
3. I'd be amenable to a federal minimum wage increase to $9 for regular workers, and $4 for tipped servers. $15 seems far too much. I am well aware that anything less than $15 doesn't work if you live in a city, but states and cities can pass local ordinances about how employees are obligated to pay their employees.
4. I'd be amenable to greater funding and price caps on public colleges and universities, on the condition that funding for the arts and humanities are massively slashed. If we're going to be paying for people's education, I want them to have practical, marketable, productive skills. I don't want a single idiot to go to college for free on a Gender Studies ticket.
5. Absolutely not. That is a godawful idea that means that the rural areas of the country will be completely beholden to the mob rule power of cities, which have profoundly different needs, priorities, and interests.

Part 1.

denmark is alright (not really) but germany and sweden suck ass, they are short of becoming of brave new world/1984 dystopic hellholes, norway was the poorest of them all before finding oil, we may see but norways economy doesn't seem viable

I wasn't going to vote in 2020, but I'd rather have Trump than a socialist any day. So, Trump has my vote.

Fuck socialism

>it will be the mark of a new era, that the president can break the law and get away with it.
> new era
> new

I remember being 12

>>Federal minimum wage to $15 an hour.
>I think it'd be hilarious to see people paying $20 for a Big Mac meal while the McJerkoffs get replaced with touchscreens.

what ?
how can the raising of minimum wage raise the price of a big mac, if the wages are being removed via touch screens ?

are all your thoughts this illogical ?

I'm voting for him cause he'll literally trigger everyone lol

1.what's so bad about private prisons, the government shouldn't pay a dime to care for some useless criminals
2. tax equality seems okay, like everyone paying the same but you don't tax the rich into submission, like bernie wants that's actually not fair at all, it's like punishing success
3. this will cause unemployment, and automatization, it's not a sound idea
4.taxing speculation sounds retarded, it's like trying to grab smoke with your hands, 'free' college is somehow of a good idea though i'm sure it'd be a huuuuge burden on the gov
5.the electoral college is actually not hard enough on big bully states imo every state should have one vote, as they're all supposedly separated entitites giving 55 votes to cali is unfair
6. good look banning guns in america, the country that exists because of gun rights basically
7.idk how to fix i have to be honest this but deregulation would help, the costs are too big for the government unless you show me a viable plan, i don't support it, also you should be free to choose
8. totally agree, substances shouldn't be banned that's retarded and patronizing
9. the world needs its world police but yeah i guess we spend too much, just don't cripple the military that's a huge mistake
10. he cares, i believe that, it's just that his ideas are a bit dumb and idealistic

6. Universal background checks on weapon purchases are already a thing in every state, and anti-personnel weapons is too broad a definition. A) Some people deserve to have weapons turned against them, and B) Most people that have weapons turned against them deserve it. Depending on how you define "self defense," personal firearms are used in self defense somewhere between 600,000 and 2 million times per year. If someone pulls a knife and tries to mug or rape someone, should that person just lay down and take it? Should they pull out a knife in turn? Or should they shoot the motherfucker with their constitutionally protected right to bear arms for the purpose of both self defense and as a check on government power? "You'll never be able to fight the government with an AR15 or a glock hurr durr" is a retarded argument given that we've been in a protracted war with desert goatfuckers for 20 years, and the government does not wield sufficient precision to avoid massive collateral damage in a domestic insurrectionist conflict, which would devastate political popularity. Unless you're implying that our government be immune to the whims of public opinion, in which case you're advocating for a despot.
7. Life is a human right. If medical care is a human right, then a person with medical training is in violation of human rights if they refuse to help in a medical emergency for any reason. That doesn't just include doctors or nurses on the clock, it also includes doctors or nurses as they carry out their day to day existence. You might argue that if you have the training, you have a moral obligation to help if someone has a heart attack on a plane, but I would never make that a LEGAL obligation, on the basis that it means that, if you receive medical training, you are enslaved to the state.
8. On the condition that it's restricted to convictions for personal possession or paraphernalia. Intent to traffic is an indication of a deeper moral failing.

1.) Okay.
2.) Fuck off, no more taxes.
3.) Fuck off, we have too many government jobs already.
4.) Fuck off, education isn't a right and Universities are shit-tier right now anyways.
5.) The Electoral College is the only thing keeping small-town America from collapsing. The poor need political power, and the electoral college gives it to them.
6.) Fuck off, I'm keeping my guns.
7.) Human rights do not extend to the labor of others. Last time the government meddled in healthcare my insurance tripled. Privatize the entire fucking system and deregulate it so competition drives the prices down.
8.) Yeah works for me.
9.) Trim down the fat, sure, but a big fat military is why we haven't had a big fat world war 3.
10.) Bernie might care, but he's an ideologue surrounded by psychopaths who want to put anyone they disagree with against a wall.

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Average Trumptard

9. Reduced by how much? We currently spend about $500 billion per year on our military. Should we go to whatever China is currently investing, even though we have a vested interest in holding substantially more military might? What about ongoing operations? What about recruitment incentives like wages and training (which cost money)? What about munitions for training? Vehicle repair and replacement? Weapons and tactics research? Defending economic protectorates, such that our military actually acts as a return on investment by giving us access to distant and limited resources? I'm inclined to think that "slash the military budget" is based on ideological notions, rather than practical ones.
10. I don't think he cares about me, I think he hates the rich.

you know hes 100% right ? .........

in 100 years, people are going to be screaming that taxes at all are communist/socialist. while they feed 95% of their income into sustaining a basic living.

Wow, you are an actual retard.

Here's the logic:
Under current minimum wage, companies use X% machines, 100-X% low-wage workers.
If increasing X under current minimum wage were cheaper, they would already do it. X is chosen optimally given the minimum wage.
An increase in the minimum wage changes the optimization problem. This might mean an increase in X. Production is still optimized given MW, but this is a new equilibrium that is more expensive than previously.

Whether or not this increased cost gets passed on to consumers probably depends on the relative willingness of McDonalds consumers versus McDonalds investors of taking the loss. If consumers are willing to pay more but investors refuse a steep cut in dividends it will mean higher burger prices.

the only reason mcd is so successful its their prices, they'd rather turn the restaurants into something similar to atms or gas pumps than to increase burger prices

I'm not the poster you're responding to.

Most of the poor are in cities.
Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people more than people without guns. People dying is bad.
Single-payer healthcare factually drives healthcare costs down.
Explain the thing about the military? It's not really defended, like, at all.

in terms of legal obligation, australia has that and it works perfectly, even if your just a certified in first aid, if there is an issue you are legally obligated to help.

on the other side of it, in 99% of situations, noone is going to know your first aid certified or a medical doctor. and cops arent going to interview everyone in the area to determine if they were.

Substantially more murders are commited with knives and hammers than with guns.

Then you get into even more price discrimination and the result is probably the same averaged over all their different products/services.

Principally, I'm against the idea that pursuing or receiving a specific kind of training makes you obligated to provide a service by force of law. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I'm saying it's anathema to my sentiments.

Taking business law right now. Professor said vote for Bernie if you want income equality. *Has 3 houses*

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the only reason companies don't flock to this shit is because of the potential outages and the HUGE loss they would have because of it.

that shit is still buggy asf, and WILL break within the first 6 months of use.

You sly fuck. Don't think I'll fall for that.
> A is causing unacceptable death
> B is causing unacceptable death
> B is causing more unacceptable death than A
> therefore we shouldn't try to fix anything about A

Is this intentional, or are you that stupid?

Nice statistics. Let's see him wriggle out of hard numbers and listed citations. You really got 'im.

Equality of opportunity - Good. Make people compete, winner takes all.
Equality of outcome - Bad. The only way to create that kind of paradigm is through tyrannical government oversight and force, and the only achievable standard would be "equally poor as shit." You can't make everyone rich, but it's REALLY easy to make everyone poor.

every non-american besides maybe Putin is over hearing about your stupid government. Cant you yanks just quietly sort your shit out and get back to not being full retards.

every god damn news site, forum, vidya is covered with your dumbass political shit.

just get your shit together

i cant fucking believe your argueing that a 40k one off machine cant be possible balanced against a yearly funded employee.

the whole reason why we are moving to automation and have been for decades is because its vastly cheaper across the board.

I don't want income equality.
I also wouldn't normally care that someone has three houses, but in Bernie's case, that money came straight from taxpayers... Guy's never had a real job outside of government. Rubs me the wrong way.

>1.what's so bad about private prisons, the government shouldn't pay a dime to care for some useless criminals
they're less accountable that normal prisons. they pay into political funds that call for longer harsher sentencing because it puts more money in their pockets.
a lot of folks in prison are worthless scum. a lot of folks in prison did something stupid on a one-off. a handful didn't do shit but got pegged anyway.
treating them like shit won't help them not be shit when they get out
>2. tax equality seems okay, like everyone paying the same but you don't tax the rich into submission, like bernie wants that's actually not fair at all, it's like punishing success
"everyone paying the same". I'm assuming you mean a flat tax, but flax tax is moronic. you can't charge people that make hardly anything a bunch of fucking taxes because you'll kill them.
unless you're looking to put all the near-welfare poor on welfare just because of taxes. we've had progressive taxes the whole time. these calls for "fairness" are dumb fucks.
hell, when income taxes started, they were only for the rich.
>3. this will cause unemployment, and automatization, it's not a sound idea
minimum wage was always intended to be a liveable wage. there's no point in hiring motherfuckers to work that are still on food stamps and shit because they can't afford to live.
fuck you walmart
>4.taxing speculation sounds retarded, it's like trying to grab smoke with your hands, 'free' college is somehow of a good idea though i'm sure it'd be a huuuuge burden on the gov
don't personally know enough about this to talk on it, won't pretend because I'm not a blowhard.

>winner takes all
>of the economy
You must be retarded. That's not how money works.

yea na thats fair enough,

in australia we have more of the attitude that if you can help you should help. non of this every man for himself shit, we would have failed long ago if we had that mentality.

>I'm so far to the left even socialism is kinda right-wing

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One of those is in DC, where he has to live for work, and none of them are very big. By personal income, he's solidly upper middle class, and you'd have to be at least to run for fucking president. This is one of the stupidest points that gets brought back over and over again. 3 houses isn't the rich he's worried about. 3000 houses, sat on, never repaired, and rented to the poor while accumulating millions per year is the income inequality he's worried about, and it's what you would be worried about too if you got out of this stupid ass rhetoric.

Again, absolute retardation on display in this post. "X" in my comment includes the fact that automation has been increasing over the past decades.

With minimum wage increases, automation would increase *even faster*.

C'mon people, it's not hard to understand.

>So LA Philadelphia and NY city can control the country?
Arbitrarily drawn lines should not dictate the value of someones vote.

Equality of outcome was never the goal. Basic guaranteed outcome is the goal - millions stressing every day about basic shit that they need to live is bad when that could be solved by a decrease to somebody else's wealth that doesn't even make a visible dent in the substance of their life.

You said that people with guns kill more people than people without guns, and on that basis we have moral justification to limit access to guns. The statement was factually inaccurate, therefore it's not unreasonable to presume that the moral justification is lacking sufficient strength to be actionable.

People kill people. It happens. Murder is trending down, and has been for the last 30 years, but it will never be eliminated entirely, and maybe there's a utilitarian argument for it NEVER being completely eliminated. Simple fact is, some motherfuckers deserve to die, and threats of force (either action or reaction) constrain our behavior in a great number of ways, whether they come from legal sources or social ones. Guns are a force multiplier, and being helpless in the face of one is a scary prospect, and they're certainly very dramatic, but the simple fact is that 99% of the time guns are used completely legally, either for entertainment, sport, or self defense.

I went to the shooting range yesterday. My brother's a big gun guy, and I've always been kind of leery and scared of them, besides my 270 hunting rifle. So he brought like 20 handguns just so I'd get a feel for them. And by the end, I thought "I fucking want one, in case anyone tries to beat me to death."

In 2006, my uncle was killed by a gun. He was in a bar fight. At the time, I was devastated, and thought "That pussy he was fighting pulled out a gun fuck that guy he's just a bitch that didn't want to take a few (probably deserved) smacks." I later learned that my uncle had beat him over the back of the head with a crowbar while he was sitting at said bar, and then tried to wail on him while he was on the ground. Maybe the guy was being a dick, but with that knowledge, I now believe that my uncle totally deserved the 4 shots to the chest. You don't get to attack people with crowbars.

But what if I want everyone to suffer except for myself and I justify this by pretending I worked hard and earned every penny?

If you could exile all the abbos, would you?

Vermin Supreme is poor as shit.

>5.the electoral college is actually not hard enough on big bully states imo every state should have one vote, as they're all supposedly separated entitites giving 55 votes to cali is unfair
why the fuck should some mook living in bum fuck egypt have the equivalent of 3.5 votes compared to someone that lives in cali?
it's not california's fault flyover states suck dick and people don't want to live there
>6. good look banning guns in america, the country that exists because of gun rights basically
don't care about stricter background checks. that's not gonna hurt anyone I don't mind having guns.
>7.idk how to fix i have to be honest this but deregulation would help, the costs are too big for the government unless you show me a viable plan, i don't support it, also you should be free to choose
deregulation is a terrible fucking meme. maybe 1% of regulations are too strict and need rolling back in some industries
99% of that shit exists because motherfuckers were causing rivers to catch fire and arguing its no biggie since no regs say they can't. look into EPA founding.
>8. totally agree, substances shouldn't be banned that's retarded and patronizing
I can't agree universally on this one. no one needs heroin and crocodile and shit on the streets. weed isn't even as bad as alcohol though.
low level shit like that an E and whatnot should probably be legal but controlled
>9. the world needs its world police but yeah i guess we spend too much, just don't cripple the military that's a huge mistake
agree here too. people bitch about our military, but it keeps the oceans safe world wide.
>10. he cares, i believe that, it's just that his ideas are a bit dumb and idealistic
so are the conservative ideas, tbh. those guys either want half the folks in the US to just stop existing so they don't feel bothered, or want businesses to have no regs and employment to suck employers dicks for .50 an hour. religion and greed made a weird bedfellows in the GOP.

If I asked Bernie Sanders for 5 thousand dollars, do you think he'd give it to me? What excuse would he use if he didn't?

cunt you argued that raising the minimum wage would cause burgers to rise to 20 dollars AND all the staff would be laid of for touchscreens.

and im asking you, how are you getting the burger cost increase. your mentioning higher worker cost, then removing worker cost from the equation

are you literally retarded ?

They don't care about logic.
They will say whatever it takes to defend an antiquated system that happens to be giving them an advantage at the moment.
If it were giving liberals an advantage, Fox News would attack it 24/7

Like giving illegals and immigrants the right to vote?

na some of em are alright, the main degenerates come from "handout" communites, where they literally just live and breed for generations, being degenerates with only the occasional person getting out of the situation.
they can fuck off but the rest are pretty good.

from what i can gather its a similar situation to the "black ghetto" problem in america.

>It's not really defended, like, at all.

Neither is any of your shit, but I'll indulge you.

From the Pax Romana to the British Empire, whenever a theater of war has had a hyperdominant power there has been peace. The Romans kept the Mediterranean region largely free from conflict. Oh, sure, there were small conflicts or barbarian raiders, but there were fewer major wars. Same with the British Empire and the age of sail. Some wars, but far fewer in that region than otherwise.

The USA keeps most of the world from falling into massive wars. Yeah, Africa turns to shit and kills itself from time to time, the Middle East acts up over religion, etc. That does happen. However right now world-wide conflicts have been at historic lows since the end of World War 2. This has coincided with the rise of American Supremacy.

The Cold War threatened this. If the US lost the ability to pose a credible threat (as a possible victor) to the entire rest of the world combined then there would be the temptation for upcoming powers such as China or old powers such as Russia to unite and bring us down.

Do you really think that Xi and Putin are all lovey-dovey when it comes down to it? If they could guarantee a non-nuclear conquest of the West, do you think they would even hesitate? They have taken every possible opportunity to expand their influence and develop empires of their own. From the South China Sea to Ukraine, they seek to expand their influence every chance the get... just like everyone else.

As far as all your other points about single-payer healthcare... bruh. Just look at Sweden. They have been steadily moving away from socialist-leaning ideals for 40 years now. Yeah, some big programs remain but they have re-privatized most of their shit. Pay attention.

Vermin Supreme is obviously an anomaly, and couldn't possibly contest the presidency.

Nixon still had to resign. Things have changed.

Lol voting Bernie will trigger more people , Dems and Republicans hate him

>I think it'd be hilarious to see people paying $20 for a Big Mac meal while the McJerkoffs get replaced with touchscreens.

Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world but their McDonalds prices are nearly the same as USA.

insider.com/what-australian-mcdonalds-is-like-2018-4
"Although McDonald's in Australia and America have the same prices, the Aussie version is way better."

One thing you are forgetting is that raising the minimum wage raises all boats. Poor people can now afford to eat a lot more mcdonalds. :)

theaustralian.com.au/nation/australia-overtakes-luxembourg-to-have-highest-minimum-wage-in-world/news-story/cf4255c6fcbb1f3fcd6ab494b85fb14e

There's an argument for giving people who live in a place the right to vote. I don't agree with it, but it's at least there. There isn't an argument for the power of somebody's vote being determined by lines somebody drew in a room to strategically multiply it. Stop redirecting the conversation off of your obvious wrongness, you disingenuous little shit.

Only legal citizens can vote. This has been proven over and over and over again. *

(* But Fox News has an agenda to sell you about why whites need to be afraid of browns.)

BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE
holy shit I am literally hard for this man to be president!

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Not really the point. He's poor as shit, his campaign is predicated on taking the piss, and in 2016 he got like 2% of the vote. The current political theater is strongly discouraging people from aligning themselves with major political parties, which substantially increases the strength of independent candidates. Maybe there's still some economic barrier to campaigning, because there's still a pretty strong expectation of actual campaigning and buying tv and radio ads, but as internet use becomes more available and pervasive, the fiscal requirements to campaigning will be sharply reduced. It could very well get to the point that a normal person, with compelling ideas, could run an entirely internet based campaign and be propelled to national attention on that basis. And with the attention would come money and investments to help that person expand their influence.

People may be spending hundreds of millions on their campaigns, but the 2016 election pretty cleanly proved that it's not the campaign that invests the most money that wins. There are a few other principles behind it.

I saw him at a rally today and he said he wants to double the starting salary of teachers from 30k to 60k.

But most teachers are fucking awful, and their contributions both don't scale and aren't rigidly quantifiable.

Right, just like only non-felons can own guns.

Great idea!

And immigrants don't commit any crimes.

I like the word "coincided" here. Mutually assured destruction and the mutual bond of globalist trade are what's keeping war down, not $600 billion/yr. The US would be practically fucking unassailable if they cut their military budget to 5%, due to our nukes and our isolated geographic location. The landscape of war is different from what it's ever been before, and those historical examples don't provide a clear enough parallel to the present to draw conclusions.

As for Sweden, that sounds like something straight out of a prageru ad so I'm tempted to outright dismiss it, but I also don't know much about this specific topic so I'll back off.

You're... Wrong, though?

VOTE4TRUMP

BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE

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Teachers wouldn't be so awful if they were paid more. If you show people that you value their work in society using money, they do better work, and furthermore, if a field pays more, higher-quality individuals will pursue it.

What about

But it doesn't scale, and standardized test scores are A) Not a good indication of intelligence and B) Do not have a strong correlation with productive future careers.

So in the course of evaluating a teacher's performance, all of our performance metrics are kind of useless. And if we can't evaluate teachers in a way that matters or helps predict outcomes, how can we assume that if teachers made more money that they'd do a better job?

actually a sperg if you disagree with electoral, learned this in highschool and us goverment at college.

Fuck you and your commie puppet too!

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Teachers work like 240 days out of the year. They spend most of their time babysitting, rather than teaching, and when they teach, they're basically just reading off a list of government required topics so that the kids have a reasonable expectation of passing a standardized test.

It's a fucking mindless profession that has more to do with controlling children than teaching novel or interesting lessons. Why on earth would we pay them $60k per year?

>pay teachers shit
>anyone able to make more than 35-40k doesnt bother becoming a teacher
>bitch because teachers are worthless shits that don't know anything
hmm.

What law did trump break?

>that fucking image

No pack puts the young at danger while the old dine on their corpses

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before or after becoming president.
this is the same asshat that is forbidden from running charities in NYC because of flagarant fraud, and famously doesn't bother to pay contractors because he knows he can stonewall them harder than they have resources to squeeze him, right?

>What law did trump break?

How are you posting on here if you dont have the internet?

Yes you’ve convinced me! Bernie or bust!

Your original statement was that a big military budget was preventing WWIII. These are interesting points which I will respond to, but my point was to show that WWIII would not occur even on a small military budget.

Proceeding from there, however, I hadn't considered that the military may be a positive ROI. That said, working towards peace in many places would be a far better than some extra resources for us in particular. I know this sounds like some hippy "we're all one people" shit, and it sounds like that because it is. If you exert military might to extract resources, you're also fucking the people who could have had that.

Putting military effort towards exerting might on dictatorships for which the people would have never seen the spoils of those resources seems a legitimate use of a military, and I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for leading the way to that good point.

Only bust if the DNC doesnt award Bernie any superdelegates when he has the majority of votes. When they fuck him again.. then its time for Trump or the destruction of the democratic party.

Wait, but my argument didn't involve metrics at all. It was just from the principle of figuring that raising the wage in a skilled profession raises the quality of its output, one way or another. That's not something you measure with tests, it's something you do because it makes sense.

See But also consider that there are still good teachers, and there would be more of them if we paid them more.

I appreciate that paying them more wouldn't be a full solution, but it's a part of any plan that will actually solve this

an arbitrary line attempts to keep out the mexicans should we get rid of that as well?

Still voting Yang
Sanders doesn't stand for my ideals

Yay non sequitur word play

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>I can't defend it, so I'll attempt to change the discussion.

military intervention generally only occurs to maintain oil prices.

>russia thinks Cred Forums votes

TL;DR
Fuck socialist Sanders, voting Trump 2020.

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states vote for presidents. people vote for how they want their state to vote.
California has 55 says. maybe we should level that number down

Oh you mean trump the president that looks like a gay faggot tranny

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Why?

yep. that trump.

its not fair and equal to my 4

Add:
>Gun-grabbing communist
>Sings praises of the Soviet Union
>Praises Fidel Castro for his literacy programs while ignoring the political dissidents he murdered

Your impotent seething rage only adds fuel to the fire. Besides, don't you have a bread line to go stand in or something?

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Democracy is bad because people are not educated enough

That language isn't very woke of you. Does Bernie allow his campaign staff members to use such hateful language?

Soon.

Jesus Christ this thread is probably full of Russian bots.

Kek I don’t give a fuck who wins the nomination, all I know is I’m not voting for trump cos he looks ok,e a gay faggot tranny and no gay faggot tranny is representing me on the world stage.

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You have to be over 18 to post here kid

how pissed are you gonna be when he loses the popular vote by 6 million this time and still wins the EC?

I don’t get it, are you saying you are a russian bot, or op is a russian bot or trump is a russian bot?
Pls be more specific in your retarded autistic sperg spam.

Stop adding my social media russianbots how do you know l even use Cred Forums?

beepski boopski

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California has fewer people per electoral college vote than most states, since every state gets 2 plus their population proportion. Also because of this, you literally get almost twice as much voting as the average American. Lack of numerical literacy is a bitch, I guess.

Don’t worry I’ll have a whole lot more dank gay faggot tranny memes of him to dump if that happens. Trump looks like a gay faggot tranny and the whole fucken world is laughing at us. It’s a fucken disgrace, even bloomturd should be better than this.

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Why do you only get 4 special noms?
Retard nom democrat noob here

You don't actually understand population and how the math works. A states delegate count is supposed to map to the population. The problem is that it doesn't because they haven't increased the delegate count since 1929.

The founders knew they had to increase the delegate count as the population increases. They did so for nearly every election until 1929 until the congress decided this sucks, we dont like our voters changing so drastically because they were afraid they would lose their reelection after everything was redrawn.

California can have 300million people.
californias input stops at californias borders

Kek last time I voted trump to trigger the woke lefties and this time I will vote Bernie to trigger the overbearing snowflake alt-right trumptards,
Their tears will be delicious as they chimp out their red hats flailing, unwashed hair clinging to their fat, sweaty skulls like cradle cap on a newborn retarded child.
It will be beautiful.

>californias input stops at californias borders
You means you see them as not being as american as you. You are an ignorant tribal caveman.

so go amend the constitution. I'll wait.

nope. just as American as any other state.

thats because a lot of them love beaners

nice copypasta, how much is ole burnout paying you to shill for him?

Don’t tell him what he understands. You don’t understand the principles of basic etiquette.
Good day sir.

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maybe if you think its population show outweigh the rust best, maybe the rust belt should have a say in californias elections for congress. it does affect how bills are affected on a federal level

*should

Less than your mom pays me to fuck her up the asshole during episodes of Ellen fagit

Fuck Bernie and fuck the DNC TRUMP2020 go dialate faggot

Does not matter, as long as it's not Trump. You are only pro Trump if you are anti American

We all have the same president, the state shouldnt be voting for president, the people should.

its the United States. not the united peoples.

>name a dictatorship that isn't a 3rd world shithole.
Louisianna
1928-1935

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Be real here people. Cred Forums would do very particular things each voting stage.

Even though we hate niggers, we would vote for Obama twice to piss off the aspie-level nigger haters. Then we would vote trump to shit all over the country and so he can make a fool of himself for the luls. Then we vote in Bernie so we can laugh while a jew cleans up after a wanna-be Nazi cheeto.

This is how Cred Forums is. I get that lots of outsiders flock to the site now, but if we went back 10 years this wouldn't even be a discussion.

That’s fucking beautiful.

Do you just go around poisoning discussions for fun?

Sorry.
I have autism.

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This sounds like a thing somebody heard once and repeated because it sounded good, but I actually think this is important. It really is the united states, and pointing that out here outlines effectively the historical reasons we have the electoral college.

That said, this is descriptive only. Things would only improve for everyday people if the electoral college was subverted or demolished, and that matters most.

We all have the same congress, the state shouldn't be voting for representatives, the people should.

nobody is stopping you from amending the constitution. have at it. its meant to be amended.

Whatever the case, this image is top tier, so I can forgive you.

>We all have the same congress
No the president is supposed to represent all people.
Politicians represent their voters. If you didnt vote for the person in power or their opponent, then they dont represent you!

We all vote for president, so the president is supposed to represent all of us.

its impossible for the president to represent all the people unless he's elected unanimously

What? I mean, yeah, our system of government is stopping me. I'm not a federal or state member of congress. Am I missing your point?

Besides, the NPVIC is an easier and more practical approach than an amendment.

and I'll add, even if Hillary did win w/ popular vote, how could she represent the people if she didn't even win 50% of the voters?

For real guys know how to spot the propaganda posts. Educate yourself on the issues and how each candidate plans to address them. Then make your vote based on which candidate most aligns with your ideals, from the facts about said candidates.

It's not that fucking hard people quit getting your opinions from shit posting boards.

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She got more than 2% more than Trump, Jethro

Shitposting boards aren't the worst place to get opinions. Everyone getting their opinions from Cred Forums could be watching the news instead.

still not a majority of total voters, juan

>Everyone getting their opinions from Cred Forums could be watching the news instead.

Unironic cringe

Are you kidding me? At least on Cred Forums you're getting opinions from actual people. Even if they're stupid, at least information isn't filtered unceremoniously to create the desired narrative. Even if they're extreme, at least they don't perpetuate an establishment which thrives off the status quo. I don't say this shit spuriously: Cred Forums is more of a force for political good than the mainstream media.

Now, Cred Forums on the other hand...

>its impossible for the president to represent all the people unless he's elected unanimously
>how could she represent the people if she didn't even win 50% of the voters

khanacademy.org/humanities/us-government-and-civics/us-gov-foundations/us-gov-ideals-of-democracy/a/the-ideas-at-the-heart-of-us-government
The Framers believed that the best form of government is one in which elected leaders represent the interests of the people. This is known as republicanism.

If the majority of the public dont want something or they do want something the president is supposed to act accordingly. He is no different from other elected officials in his duties to the people.

I'm not americunt, but Trump is the only option.

Or at least Anyone, but Bernie

>Just allow Medicare to compete with private insurance, problem solved
Wrong, problem would not be solved. The insurance companies would off-load the sick and worse off onto Medicare and the Republicunts would attack it by saying it is a welfare program and, as such, needs to be heavily means tested which would kick millions off of it and then it would be underfunded and then, finally, killed while the right-wingers shrug their shoulders and say "welp, we tried universal healthcare and it failed!"

Fuckoff ivan we all know even Putin is scared of the Bern

dimitry?

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Fucking retard.
If you don't think that every president since Nixon has broken the law with no repercussions you're deluded

Shill, sage in all fields.

>Gun-grabbing communist
He isn't though
>Sings praises of the Soviet Union
Oh wow, he talked about some good things from the Soviet Union and got in on the sister city program. Yawn.
>Praises Fidel Castro for his literacy programs while ignoring the political dissidents he murdered
He isn't ignoring the murders, he is saying that there was a legit reason why Castro had the revolution and, once in power, expanded education and healthcare to his citizens. Fucking Cuba has a higher average lifespan than the USA does and a much smaller infant mortality rate, you dipshit.

Big agree with all but 5 and 6. The electoral college exists to prevent you over breeders from fucking over anyone else, more so than you do by overpopulating an overpopulated planet.
6 guns are only an issue because you dickheads are ass backwards on your background checks, don't give training to anyone in respecting a weapon and are willing to let children and the mentally unstable obtain guns (check any country with mandatory military service, particularly Switzerland for more details). If you didn't know, the right to bear arms exists for the purpose of rebelling against a tyrannical government. You'll want that one if you ever get to the stage of Winnie the Pooh and their fucking euthenasia vans.

Average npc

Cuck