Do Southern Europeans unironically consider themselves non-White? Or is it just...

Robert Anderson
Robert Anderson

Do Southern Europeans unironically consider themselves non-White? Or is it just an Cred Forums meme?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_(biology)#Kingdoms_and_domains

Ryder James
Ryder James

whiteness isn't really a concept here

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

Whiteness is a New World concept invented to justify slavery and colonialism.

Kayden Ward
Kayden Ward

Tell a southron hes not white, he will get angry.

Tyler Brooks
Tyler Brooks

What is white even supposed to mean?

Italian, Spanish and Greek peoples are clearly not Germanic peoples.

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

And neither are Germans or Netherlands, white means European.

Jayden Carter
Jayden Carter

So if people asked your race? What would you say?

Hudson Wilson
Hudson Wilson

Well, I'm a Europeans and there's remerkably small genetic distance between individual European populations.

Adrian Gomez
Adrian Gomez

*European
I should start proofreading my posts

Ryan Allen
Ryan Allen

I would say Iberian. Or European.

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

Isn't European just a different way of saying white, though?

Jackson Thomas
Jackson Thomas

mate, we're just white. The border blurs somewhere in Turkey and North Africa, which is exactly how speciation behaves in all other animals, plants and the other categories
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_(biology)#Kingdoms_and_domains

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

No?

Ryder Mitchell
Ryder Mitchell

they're being autistic memsters, every native inhabitant of europe considers themselves white

Connor Lee
Connor Lee

it is, you're just getting answers from whites who don't want to enable explicit pro-white interests. It's a virtue signal imported from America through jewish institutions and networks

Jaxson Lee
Jaxson Lee

dude, not all of Russia is considered to be in Europe

Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

In what way do they differ?

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

I'm southern European ethnically and I consider myself white. Meanwhile, I see people whose skin is lighter than mine that don't consider themselves white. Whiteness is more of a state of mind than a color of skin

Logan Watson
Logan Watson

this is why everyone makes fun of you

Elijah Long
Elijah Long

flag
Everytime

Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

Fuck off R*ddit

Evan Diaz
Evan Diaz

see people whose skin is lighter than mine that don't consider themselves white.
What was their background?

James Hill
James Hill

there is no concept of whitness here, however europeans of other countries are more accepted than third worlders. I had the bad luck to be a quarter african so im considered a neger or kanake forever.

Jaxon Russell
Jaxon Russell

neger
kanake
Why is there a concept of Blackness and not of whiteness?

Eli Morales
Eli Morales

I had the bad luck to be a quarter african so im considered a neger or kanake forever.
I feel your pain i'm quarter north african.

Jordan Morris
Jordan Morris

Why?

Julian King
Julian King

there is more a sense of nationality and heritage and not skin color. People with european heritage are accepted as full germans aslong they speak the language. People with african or other third worlder heritage are never fully accept even if you try to fit in as hard as possible.

Caleb Ward
Caleb Ward

yeah it sucks, I have a serious identity crisis.

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

No one here considers themselves European
We are Russians.
Picrelated

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

I don't know. Not like I care. I'm quite sure niggers and desert people don't belong here nonetheless.

Jason King
Jason King

fucking this
when will amerimutts learn?

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

i'm quarter north african.
story?

Justin Allen
Justin Allen

People with african or other third worlder heritage are never fully accept even if you try to fit in as hard as possible.
what about asians?

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

don't have many here, generally they are accepted but they are seen as foreigners since their look differs to much from Europeans.

David Brooks
David Brooks

since you're only a quarter black, i'm thinking you just look like a middle easterner?

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

I'm southern European ethnically and I consider myself white

Every fucking time

Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

Pretty much this

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

no I dont look middle eastern i look like a bleached nigger with european face structure (nose,lips, head shape) and i have very african like curly hair. My brother had more luck, he is blonde, blue eyed, tall and has pale skin. When people see us first they dont believe we are brothers because he look european and i look african.

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

Got apretty big kara boga t b h

Grayson Green
Grayson Green

Swastika on Anglo
Norman is "master-race"
Hypocrisy

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

I always shitpost in KARA BOGA threads claiming I'm black
From the outside it looks like I'm being ironic, while the truth is that I really am black

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Probably. But only because "white" means essentially "not black or Chinese".

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

Like from Africa Black?

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

What about Middle Easterners, Latinos or South Asians?

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

Is that even a fucking topic that northern europeans keep thinking or having conversations about?Normies don't give a shit,they consider themselves white

Jeremiah Hill
Jeremiah Hill

Exactly.

Nathaniel Harris
Nathaniel Harris

Where from in Africa?

Oliver Hernandez
Oliver Hernandez

serb here
I consider myself my own thing, I have more in common with arabs and turks than I do with anglos here tbqh

I imagine it's the same in southern europe/balkans, people identify as their own group. In the west, I've never seen someone from the balkans refer to themselves as white.

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

I've always considerem myself white. I have pale skin, it could be that I have some non-european dna I don't know but I don't look like a moor for sure.

Cameron Butler
Cameron Butler

yep, the whole white thing was started by Iberians in the first place.

Colton Williams
Colton Williams

why do you think you have more in common with muslims than with other euros?

Thomas Brooks
Thomas Brooks

I have most in common with serbs, then balkans/greeks, then western turks, then southern europeans, then levantines, then anglos

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

How does it manifest? I have more in common with weebs around the world than with my countrymen.

Colton Edwards
Colton Edwards

wh*Tes (anglos) are simply cultureless, they live life only caring about partying, drugs and the size of their truck for the hillbillies

Grayson Sullivan
Grayson Sullivan

Fuck off nigger

Henry Diaz
Henry Diaz

One thing Americans will never understand is that race becomes important only when your country has no history or culture, so you have to build one.
If you speak Italian and you're culturally Italian then you're Italian. Nationality and heritage is the important thing; that's why integrating foreigners is difficult.
I personally consider myself white, because I'm European and every European is white. You don't have to be blonde or have blue yes to be white

Thomas Roberts
Thomas Roberts

So you agree with this comment ? Other Europeans (or people of European descent) can become Italian but not anyone else?

Bentley Sanders
Bentley Sanders

Yeah, I agree, I didn't see his comment
To be fair, nowadays I see myself more as a European than Italian, but it may only be an Italian thing, we are not a very centralized country

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

bolivia please

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

Other Europeans (or people of European descent) can become Italian but not anyone else?
Except slavs

Grayson Richardson
Grayson Richardson

I have a lot of tuga friends and they range from green eyed fair skinned gingers to being darker than most arabs.

I'd say what's typical is dark brown hair, brown or green eyes, and fair to slightly tanned skin but still European facial features. I could probably tell an Iberian from an Arab on facial features alone.

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

so what about the southern europeans that look like arabs or pakis huh? what's stopping an arab from changing his name to vito and saying he's italian and nobody being the wiser?

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

Some slavs are based. We have a lot of Romanians here and some of them are ok

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

Why would Slavs be the exception?
we are not a very centralized country
Unrelated to the thread, but isn't a common complain in some Italian regions that Italy is actually too centralized?

Tyler Hernandez
Tyler Hernandez

I saw some very dark skinned terroni, but I think they're still white. The bone structure is still European. They probably are some kind of mutt race, but I wouldn't call them not white

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

Unrelated to the thread, but isn't a common complain in some Italian regions that Italy is actually too centralized?
Sorry, I was unclear. We are fiscally centralized, but economically and culturally decentralized

Noah Carter
Noah Carter

YOUR MOM

Jace Price
Jace Price

lol fuck off, left is afghan, middle is algerian, right is lebanese

if any of them told you they're from spain/italy/portugal you would believe them

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

As a Norman I indeed feel like an english Lord.

Chase Ortiz
Chase Ortiz

If any of them told me that, I would think they look like Arabs.

Ryan Morris
Ryan Morris

? I said whiteness isn't really a concept here
Europeans are white by default, I guess some other races could be considered light skinned, but after all, being "white" means being European subtracting heritage and culture

Michael Ortiz
Michael Ortiz

Expanding on this, the same can be applied to every race: a Chinese person born in Europe is Asian. A Chinese person born and raised in China is Chinese. Same thing for White-European, Middle Eastern-Israeli/Lebanese/Iraqi and so on

Colton White
Colton White

no, you wouldn't

white is a mix of looking white and being european imo

John White
John White

They do have mena facial features, and there is a bit of overlap with se.

But you're an insecure mena with racial identity issues. Get help. I've seen your posts before.

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

A baby born in the USA from European parents is white but not European. White is only the race, European is race + heritage + culture

Nathaniel Harris
Nathaniel Harris

I'm not. I'm just pointing out that there's overlap and that not all southern europeans are 'white'

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

Yeah I agree with this.

But again you have people like the greek golden dawn leader who literally look like pakis, I can't consider them white at all.

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

Yeah, I would. They don't look the part. Now, pls don't derail my thread.

Parker Hill
Parker Hill

Do white people from America or the other Anglo countries still fall under the category of "Can become Italian" like we discussed earlier?

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

That's because they're retarded
Fascism/nationalism != white supremacism
The fascists literally sang "faccetta nera", was race a problem for them?

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

People from the UK and Ireland sure, they are European
Americans not so much. Maybe, but culturally they're massively different

Christopher Miller
Christopher Miller

New worlders don't understand. We call blacks African and white European.

We don't think about colour like.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

I'm white, living in a country that has lots of diversity, I can differentiate between what is white and what isn't better than your muttistan could.

so italians are race mixers, I see

Luke Davis
Luke Davis

Well, you weren't bringing your mulatto child to live in the country
But having sex with Ethiopian girls? No problem

Logan Hall
Logan Hall

I meant the other Anglo settler countries like Canada, NZ and Australia.

Luis Long
Luis Long

Italy is Africa bro

Grayson Hernandez
Grayson Hernandez

So different words for the same meaning?

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

Same thing as Americans

Ayden Cox
Ayden Cox

No it's completely different. When I'm on the bus sitting next to a slav, Englishman, Italian they are all distinct and whiteness doesn't come into my mind. Race isn't real in Europe.

Nolan Scott
Nolan Scott

Because the Lebanese are our PHOENICIAN BULL BROTHERS

Nathaniel Hill
Nathaniel Hill

Race isn't real in Europe.
what about all the pakis and indians in the uk then

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

This. I just think:"Uh, that guy is Austrian/Spanish/English" not "Uh, that guy is white/maybe white/different shade of white"

Mason Edwards
Mason Edwards

do you actually think that we (white americans) are as culturally and ethnically different from you as let's say middle easterners and that we can't assimilate? lol

Adam Perry
Adam Perry

This, nationality/ethnicity matters more than race

Gavin Davis
Gavin Davis

there is remarkably smal genetic distance between human populations in general, and also there are europeans more related to non european populations than to other euopeans, mostly middle easterns or siberians.
Your argument is retarded

John Martin
John Martin

Yes
And that's not a bad thing

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

inb4 mutt memes

Ryan Garcia
Ryan Garcia

Culturally? Yes
Ethnically? In some cases

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

Yes

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

American culture is inclusive
European culture is exclusive

Liam Sanchez
Liam Sanchez

the only european populations that are closer to middle easterners are cypriots and some sicilians and greeks. the vast majority of europe is closer to each other.

stop spreading lies.

Robert Young
Robert Young

Yes, white Americans are just as culturally distinct to us as any other culture. Your don't get a pass because your pigment is the same as ours

Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

More culturally distinct.

Parker Cooper
Parker Cooper

oh shut the fuck up, american culture is EVERYWHERE in europe

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

t. I never visited USA

Ethan Cruz
Ethan Cruz

American movies, American music and American politics? Sure
The American way of thinking and style of life? No way

Andrew James
Andrew James

Their media is yes, but what you see on your TV isn't your culture

Brandon Peterson
Brandon Peterson

Don't placate the Americans. It's not good to lie.

Carter Wright
Carter Wright

the absolute DELUSION that is required to think that people who lived under sharia will integrate better than americans

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

They never said that

Christian Wilson
Christian Wilson

Who said that? They will integrate just as bad

Robert Allen
Robert Allen

there's not much of a difference between white americans/canadians and europeans m8

plenty of them go to europe for work and live there fine

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

Many chinese live in Europe and they do just fine
What's your point?

Jack Peterson
Jack Peterson

Plenty of people work and live here just fine, from all over the world
Doesn't mean they're European

Liam Mitchell
Liam Mitchell

Didn't say they're integrate better, only said they're equally as different as any other culture. If you mass imported Americans into the UK, allowing them to create their own enclaves, you'd see fast food diners, gas n gulps, american football teams and absurdly large vehicles popping up everywhere

William Cruz
William Cruz

Don't delude yourself, we know who the new worlders are. That's like saying most Arabs/Africans work and live there fine which would be true also. So it's not a valid statement.

Australians are Europeans.

Ryder Gonzalez
Ryder Gonzalez

some
more like ALL
at least half of balkanites, 90% of southern italians and eastern slavs/finno ugric europeans all are more related genetically to non europeans than to other europeans, yet these ethnicies are considered as core part of the european identity
If these ethnicities are not european, then what are they?

Jaxon Hall
Jaxon Hall

Europe is americanized to hell and back, they would integrate without a problem.

Christopher Hughes
Christopher Hughes

I see the point you're trying to make, but imo it's very easy for a white person to integrate into any european country.

Isaiah Price
Isaiah Price

You asked for a European point of view, I gave you just that

Joseph Cruz
Joseph Cruz

You are correct

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

So if people asked your race?

this never happens

Thomas Russell
Thomas Russell

No it's not
Stop spreading lies

Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

Europe
You mean Sweden. Americans stick out like sore thumbs, from how they talk, to how they walk, to how dress, to how they eat, to how they react to certain situations. Just the same as a Russian or an Italian or a Vietnamese

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

My main point was that there are lots of middle easterners that look like southern europeans and vice versa.

Lighter middle easterners can look like southern euros, darker southern euros look like middle easterners.

Plenty of canadians/americans move to europe countries for work whether temporary or permanent and live there just fine, they may not consider themselves european but they're more european than arab looking southern euros or romanians for example.

Caleb Reyes
Caleb Reyes

and there's remerkably small genetic distance between individual European populations
thats wrong
see the eurogenes west eurasia pca

Tyler Gray
Tyler Gray

live in Europe
Nobody asks me about race
Visit USA
Hey what race are you?

t. Ethiopian

Dylan Hernandez
Dylan Hernandez

Dont know about Italy but that's the truth in Sweden.

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

Middle Easterns that are muslims
Therefore they are not Italians

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

I've dealt with pretty much all nationalities, only a couple had groups of friends speaking Simplified English(tm) among themselves, one of which was Sweden (young millenials).

Jace Stewart
Jace Stewart

They really don't, It's just what your uneducated mind primed on skin color thinks.

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

durr hurr they aren't all part of one subcategory of this main category therefore they must be in two completely different main categories
Humans clearly aren't chimps yet they're both apes.

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

Some arabs look southern european,I think that's what you mean.
Some southern europeans look nordic

Dylan Morgan
Dylan Morgan

implying it isn't because in europe people just assumed you were black
meanwhile here people would notice you look different from aa's and would be curious as to what you are

James Ward
James Ward

No.
I mean the following:

A decent percentage of southern europeans look like your average arab.

A small percentage of middle easterners look more like your typical southern european.

Tyler Powell
Tyler Powell

this

i can't imagine a context where someone would ask which race i am

Ethan Barnes
Ethan Barnes

if this thread says anything is that you guys do the same, you just use nicer words to say it

Blake Diaz
Blake Diaz

Tbh I can't keep this up, Americans are nice people.

Evan Evans
Evan Evans

Kek, yanks are bizzare. Don't understand how they can tell what race you are just by looking at you anyway. Guarantee most people 30 or older knew that you were Ethiopian just by looking at you
We can generally tell the difference between an Ethiopian/Nigerian/Congolese by looking at them. Not as extensive as we can with European faces but we don't need to ask them, and if we don't know, we rarely feel the need. We'd just ask what country they're from if we're really curious

Robert Price
Robert Price

the average arabs =/= the average southern europeans
Besides swarthy germans do exist and nobody woyld doubt their "germaness"
The same apply to southern euros

James Price
James Price

Europeans unironically implying they can tell your linguistic group by looks in the genetic clusterfuck of Europe

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

yeah I agree with that, the average arab looks inbred and their faces are deformed usually, you could tell them apart easily

but there are a decent percentage of southern europeans that could easily pass as those same arabs

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

how they can't tell
most people here
sorry

Anthony Young
Anthony Young

Yes we can. I can tell if someone is Irish/Swedish/Russian/Spanish etc by looking at them. It's obviously not 100% accurate all the time but it's a good enough guesstimate

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

I'm not perfect, but it's easy when you're used to it.
For example, I can spot Germans without problems: one of my friends is German; he's quite short, but when I first met him he just had a German looking face. Anglos and Frenchmen are just as easy.
Italy is probably the less homogeneous country in Europe

Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

You are deluded dude, some middle easteners can look southern europeans and vice versa but only like 0.5% of ME can pass for europeans of any kind

Cooper Price
Cooper Price

The extreme south =/= the whole southern Europe
You can't keep cherry picking
Can you see at least that?
And usually no
Even the average sicilian do look different from the average tunisian and not only by face structure

Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

implying you can tell the difference between an italian and an arab

Samuel Bennett
Samuel Bennett

Okay, but like then if you were in a room with people from Morocco, Senegal, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, wherever, you would consider those from European background as closer to you, right?

Ryan Cook
Ryan Cook

Well yeah, of course

Blake Wood
Blake Wood

What does that mean?
I have no idea what for example a Maltese is supposed to look like. If some Egyptian said they are Maltese I would have to believe their word for it.

Leo Gonzalez
Leo Gonzalez

Yes, but they're not the same as us if you know what i mean. Plus were more familiar with those cultures. But i see what you're saying

Evan Scott
Evan Scott

lmao literally everyone in this picture could pass as middle eastern

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

yeah same here, swedes used to call every swarthy person "turk" or "svartskalle"

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

No they couldn't

Julian Torres
Julian Torres

No they couldn't

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

its a meme

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

You have to go back Abdul

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

Id feel closer to the Senegalese person than the Russian. But sure.

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