Did she really end up that bad? Her alcoholism arc was undone by the retcon at the end of Act 6...

Did she really end up that bad? Her alcoholism arc was undone by the retcon at the end of Act 6, but the alcoholism arc was stupid in the first place.

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dude humans don't have arcs lmao

Did Hussie have an arc?

she was just kanaya's matesprit at the end.

>her alcoholism was hamfisted.
>It didn't have the weight real, or even other written alcoholism has.
>It wasn't addressed why Dave allowed it to happen.
>Her alcoholism wasn't even addressed by anybody but Kanaya.
>It largely stopped being relevant before the retcon when she sobered up anyway.
>Post-retcon It was magically fixed by a character who had no reason to care about Rose or even know what alcohol is.

Act 6 Rose is an offense to writing.

Act 6 is an offense to writing

So when will Kanaya fill her other quadrants

when the epilogue comes :^)

The epilogue was cancelled.

Act 6 Rose was best Rose. Before that she was the most boring fucking character. I know the "joke" is that 13 year olds don't act like the original cast does but holy shit was reading her perspective dry.

>wrong: the post

Did hussie ever say anything about specifically not writing the kids as being 13? My cousin who started reading the comic when he was 13 is insisting they acted like regular 13 year olds to him.

I mean they were definitely 13 in mannerisms, if not in speech.
Hussie's already a manchild so that at least makes sense.

>When Hussie writes kids they work because he never grew up
>Hussie's idea of grown ups is that they talk about social justice at length for no real reason and are personalityless drones because he's mentally 12

...

youtube.com/watch?v=t9SQjvPLAWs

Remember this?

>Act 6 is an offense to writing

I stopped reading years ago, what made this so bad?

It's primarily the ending
>all character development undone
>timeskip that showed nothing
>characters suddenly acting or making choices that make no sense
It's just... so long, there's so much that's so bad that can't be covered in an entire thread.

Hussie made all the characters gay, and bad. There isn't a single character by the end who didn't end up fucked up by him at the end.

youtube.com/watch?v=btHd1zrjkqY

>davejade gets a good fansong
>davekat still gets nothing

How can they even compete?

>Act 6 Rose was best Rose.
What the fuck.

Moonsetter is a davekat song now.

...

More like it's a "Vriska comes back to life and ruins everything" song

That implies Rose still had a personality after she became Kanaya's cocksleeve.

She would have been better with John.

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>People still mad over boring entry level ships like Karezi, Davejade and Johnrose predictably not being endgame
kek

>entry level
So what's like a hardcore ship that only can be found on the darknet?

You mean the good ships?

>boring entry level ships
*good, logical, and developed ships

Quit being so homophonic

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>Pre-retcon Dave and Karkat die trying to get pussy.
>Post-retcon Dave and Karkat give up on pussy and start fucking each other.
What does it all mean?

Do we have to have these same kanaya pictures in every thread?

Bisexuality

Jakeradia!

Only the top puppet masters of the world can recognize true potential like that.

>posts Daveradia

Shut the fuck up, dumbass.

Yes

That the only reason they hooked up is literally because there were no other options and that their relationship ultimately has no depth to it and works on absolutely no level, not even the one that sells t-shirts?

Let me help you with that.

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i don't even have pics of it, that's how much of lowkey perfection it is.

Kanaya is boring and so is using up bump posts to spam the same mediocre gauntlet of images every single thread.

yess

What's weird about the retcon is that it wasn't even that much of a retcon. It was travelling to an alternate universe and replacing versions of yourself that died.

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There's tons of pics of it, you're just being lazy.

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I mean, when you consider so many problems in Homestuck would have been fixed if those ships had ended up endgame, it's kind of sad.

Homestuck is a tragedy
Everyone was meant to end up dead, or miserable, or in worthless unhealthy relationships
And that's what happened.

For a bunch of people who complain about tumblrinas ruining homestuck because Hussie pandered to them with troll romance and act 6 shipping, you all are pretty butthurt about your own ships sinking and davekat being canon than the actual plot being shit.

How would you have depicted a recton, user?

Hi icels

How does it feel to be the wrongest fucking person on the planet?

What? Source?

Oh we're pissed about that too. Would you like to also complain about how just absolutely everything went to shit?

He deleted the news post like months ago, man.

>chromatic aberration

i think Davekat just represents everything that went to shit. Like it's the most glaring problem and all the underlying reasons for it are the underlying reasons as to why Homestuck ended up so bad.

It's the poster boy for why Homestuck is bad, and the exact moment when pretty everyone jumped ship and realized that the comic was going to end up bad.

How do you feel about putting film grain on the background layer but not on the characters?

>How would you have depicted a recton, user?

I wouldn't.

Nothing good has happened in Homestuck recently, has it?
It's just been such a shitshow. Why?

Who gives a shit about who Dave and Karkat fuck, jesus christ. Why does it fucking matter?

I'm more interested in the furthest ring plot holes that arise from the retcon, like the crowbar timeline being messed up, or how there should technically be two suns. Or hell, general character discussions and critiques. I'm tired of this shipping garbage, it's like this place became fucking tumblr.

Davekat wasn't inherently bad, it just could have been handled better like everything else in act 6. It was blatantly foreshadowed, even if it was only depicted as a joke. It's unreasonable to pin all of homestuck's failings on davekat no matter how much you dislike the ship.

I'm still getting mileage out of Homestuck at least, even if it's just for porn reasons.

>SOLID THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMIC
Sollux
Aradia
Eridan
The Midnight Crew
The Felt
Caliborn
WV
PM
AR
Mom Lalonde
Dad Egbert
Grandpa Harley

>GOOD UNTIL THE RETCON
Dave
Rose
Jade
Dirk
Roxy
Karkat
Kanaya
Terezi
Vriska
Meenah
Bro
Condy
Jack Noir

>FORGETTABLE
John
Tavros
Feferi
Jane
Jake
Any Beforus trolls not mentioned elsewhere

>OBNOXIOUS MEME CHARACTERS
Gamzee
Nepeta
Equius
Kankri
Meulin

I remember why I filtered you.

Nothing good has happened in homestuck for years, user.

>It was blatantly foreshadowed

Penis Ouija, despite what you might think, isn't foreshadowing.

Sorry, I'm bad at keeping updated
It really is depressing.
They worked so well.

Punishment. Punishment for our shittiness as a fanbase.

We should never have sent Hussie the chance blue flared.

How? There's no porn left being drawn.

There's enough. I just jacked it to two lesbians who dressed up as Jade and Dave and did it.

>Who gives a fuck about shipping drama
Hussie. It gives him tons of clickbait.

>discussion and critique
What's the fucking point, they all ended up being shit

it sure did a good job of increasing that filesize in any case

>davekat endgame

???

vine.co/v/iIaLbvbuEJZ

Aradia's whole thing was not being solid, even in act 5. She's been like 5 different characters.
Also
>WV.
>Solid.

>Piggy

Okay?

the retcon didn't change anything with Jade, if anything it gave her at least another angle.
WV, AR, and PM all suffered, they went from fleshed out characters to one note jokes.

>posts a video of a white supremacist as proof

Always knew davekat shippers were racists

>>FORGETTABLE
>John
But he was fun. He was the only one who REALLY felt like a "kid"
>>OBNOXIOUS MEME CHARACTERS
>Kankri
Eh, I personally enjoyed how some of the Beforus trolls contrasted with the Alternian trolls.
Kankri with Karkat, especially.
Also liked Meenah from Fef, and Aranea from Vriska,and I guess Mituna and Sollux
Like you said, the rest were boring, barely memorable

I agree with everything else on your list.

In their first sprite log together karkat telegraphed an attraction towards Dave, which Dave immediately picked up on. Then in meenahquest Dave immediately went "no homo" when karkat asked him to give him a poke. Then they had an awkward conversation about Dave watching Karkat sleep and confessed that they often have embarrassing conversations like that. Then during penis ouija Karkat explicitly points out the sexual connotations their wresting had in his culture while also failing to disengage. This is foreshadowing, user. I'm sorry you were too dense to pick up on it, but it was clearly there.

Jade's angle of being miserable never went anywhere though.
It's like Hussie just decided the best option was for her to suffer.

Which one?

So in other words, nothing but Karkat hitting on him and Dave actively saying no?

That's the exact opposite of foreshadowing.

>Forgettable
>John
John SHOULD have been forgettable like the rest of his bloodline, but he was shoved and shoved and shoved and shoved in our face the whole story SOLEY for being the main character. No character has gotten as much free presence in the story for doing and contributing absolutely nothing.

John was a glorified camera angle.

Dirk honestly. He remained consistent, Dave went from the best character to one of the worst in one fucking pesterlog.

Hivebent Trolls as Animals:

Aradia: Ram
Tavros: Bull
Sollux: Bee
Karkat: Crab
Nepeta: Cat
Kanaya: Moth
Terezi: Prostitute
Vriska: Spider
Equius: Horse
Gamzee: Goat
Eridan: Seahorse
Feferi: Fish

Is this correct?

Sollux!
He was always the best strider.

Dave was making things gay that weren't actually gay at all. If a dude asks another dude to poke them and the other says "no thats gay" someone is clearly in the closet.

Terezi is clearly a DRAGON prostitute.

It's impossible for me to choose. I like Dave better as a person, but I might like Dirk better as a character.

No, Terezi does it for free!

Prostitutes have some class to at least charge.

Dave is more submissive and probably a cockslut, while Dirk would probably want to fuck me instead, so Dave.

If Tavros is a bull why didn't he cuck anybody?

Checkmate athiests.

wait....rufioh did...oh my goddddd

What the fuck?

All I read was Dave turning everything into gay sex innuendos.

This except I choose Dirk

If something needs a retcon of the entire history of their interactions as well as an entire act to even exist, then it wasn't foreshadowed.

I always figured Dave was at least kinda gay when he did that thing with Tavros in the dream bubbles....

It's sad but true. It's true but also completely understandable too.

You mean called him a tool and wanted him to get out of his room?

You mean sucked his enormous dick?

Man I forgot how awful Davros was.

That's bullshit an you know it. Showing sexual tension between two characters in one timeline is absolutely foreshadowing a relationship between them in another timeline. The thing that wasn't foreshadowed was the retcon.

By having it literally be a retcon.
And this.

>Equius
>Obnoxious meme character
Die in a fire.

I would have had the Game Over timeline stay canon, because if you show something happen on screen it should have consequences.

Auto responder

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Well I mean
Hussie showed Vriskagram on screen and it had the consequence of killing his comic

>Roxy
>Good
>Equius
>Bad
Shit tastes.

The only consequence you got was (Terezi) and (Vriska) finding true love and Karkat getting fucked over in any timeline that doesn't involve him becoming Dave's glorified fuckpuppet lol

damn

We posting fantrolls now?

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Do Not Bully Aradia For Her Tooth

It Is Not Ok

whys her lusus green?

>timeline where he becomes his fuckpuppet
>still gets fucked over

ARADIA DOES NOT HAVE TEETH
REEEEEEE

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Why the fuck do people draw Kankri with a black turtleneck?

Hussie deletes all the newsposts over time, that's not weird. Of course, he likes to leave the ones that are about merchandise up as long as possible.

I still don't think the epilogue is happening, though.

*fangs

aradia would be very strange without teeth and just gums

Better to succ

It's not her lusus, it's a stuffed lobster that was always stained with sopor because she took it with her when she slept. Her lusus was a porcupine

WHY IS MY LIFE SO FUCKING TERRIBLE?

becau2e you touch your2elf at niight.

He said "whatever form it takes"

Which means it'll be some shitty sequel TV show

Blame hussie

Why is my life and everything so 8eautiful?

Aw, thats cute

having dave and karkat go from being specifically interested in girls to specifically interested in each other was and always will be some dumb shit
like, karkat was obsessed with terezi pre retcon, and then post retcon it's like he's barely friends with her, it's such a massive jarring change and it's supposed to be that way because of vriska (but somehow rosemary is the same even though kanaya had a thing for vriska and we should have seen that have some effect post retcon)

Because you're infertile and can't give Dave the family he wants.

What would happen if we permakill Hussie in the dreambubbles...

I think Davekat wouldn't have bothered me at all if it had happened in the original Act 6

Like says it could have emerged naturally out of the cringe inducing love triangle between Terezi Dave and Karkat

But instead of the awkward closeted teenage fumbling you'd actually expect from retarded sexually confused children, we got a flash where they were literally spinning around holding hands because they were head over heels in love

...

Because of your massive bulge

Because of your tight nook

Though I doubt you'll have to worry about that for long

Don't forget Hussie didn't even have the balls to fully commit to it.

Good

Karkat was bisexual, like all trolls. He was crushing on John earlier in the comic. How could you have forgotten about that?

As for Dave...
YES

Post-retcon davekat and tumblr's davekat is just boring fluff with no substance or edge to feel invested in. I don't think hussie wanted it that way, but that's the consequence of outsourcing the primary development to stills drawn by a fanartist that doesn't even like the ship.

when people say the way dave makes gay jokes are foreshadowing, it could have actually functioned like that if there were an actual progression in some way
like just to use a 1-10 level of gay (or gayscaleâ„¢) dave starts out a 1, and then plateaus at like a 3 at best, and then john erases the timeline and now hes a 10, it's abysmal
and that's ignoring the facts that 13 year old boys regularly make dick jokes, and the fact a lot of early dave is based off hussie's actual chatlogs so those dick jokes are just ones hussie made and not actual foreshadowing in the slightest

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that happens.

At least the atrocious trainwreck will be entertaining to watch.

Yeah but Hussie is gay now

Homestuck sequel series you say?

>Karkat was bisexual, like all trolls. He was crushing on John earlier in the comic. How could you have forgotten about that?
seriously? i said he was obsessed with terezi, specifically terezi, my point has nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with his fanaticism over one person that just completely evaporates for no good reason

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Terezi stopped leading him on an he got over it. It's not inconceivable.

So did Rose fuck both John and Kanaya?

>black hair + blonde hair = brown hair
hmmmm
Vantas-Pyrope, though.
sign reminds me of smash bros

Get this gay shit outta here were having a Davekat thread.

>It's not inconceivable.
it's also not shown in the comic

She was a cute kid

When she first entered Sgrub she wasn't used to having as much food as she wanted instead of having to scavenge for it, so the inevitable happened.

>You don't need him
You gotta be able to read between the lines a little bit, man.

>once davekat is confirmed all the jadefags will leave and i will have the thread to myself to waifu spam and meme up
soon...

>TEREZI: W3LL SH1T 1 GUESS 1LL DO WH4T TH1S M4G1C GR4FF1T1 T3LLS M3

>if davejade gets confirmed instead you will never get a chance

Terezi is a dumb slut, she probably would

>black hair + blonde hair = brown hair

Well ain't that how dirty blondes happen?

It's John's revenge.

She still cute.
Who are those humans?

Sorry user, but Homestuck 2: Still not a relevant title, has a network mandated straight ship quota, you get Rosemary at the least because SU is successful.

>So did Rose fuck both John and Kanaya?

It's clearly Roxy's kids.

According to wikipedia, the shade of brown a person's hair will be is a quantitative trait that's controlled by many genes. So yes?

>We never got a Jade/Jasprose conversation

Man, where did you disappear to back in the day?

Go on

I don't understand the question.

What else can you do as a sequel though? Lord English was defeated, everyone is living their lives in peace.

>terezi wants to alter the timeline as little as possible and so doesn't revive anyone besides vriska
>still has john fuck around with scalemates for shits and giggles

Couple of other people's characters: a giant guy and a deaf guy.

All this stuff is from my old RP group: setting based on the Sburb Glitch FAQ where once you finish Sburb you have to replay it over and over with random people.

I miss all those autists. Better times.

did u know that sollux actually has three dick heads? the third one is always in feferi so many people get confused and assume 2 because lol gemini

forgot to mention
>the whole thing with the wallet

Where did all the tripfags go between them being a thing and Homestuck ending, when everyone was briefly a thing all over again until everyone was nothing in light of the ending.

Rugrats-style slice of life.

You mean where did we go between the time hsg was still alive and the end of homestuck, when everyone came back for a reunion? Personally, I went back to Cred Forums. I can't speak for everyone else. I'm sure they're in a better place now.

Dave being forced to take ballroom dancing classes by Bro for reasons still not known

found this today when I wasn't looking for it.

Irony? I don't think Bro would make Dave take classes, I think he'd give him lessons himself.

Sounds like fun.
Most of my fandom experience has been pretty lonely desu

ANDREW,

>jade being super excited to do all these things that she's never done before
>like touch another person
>or have a conversation
>or get hugged

yes?

I miss them. It's like the threads are missing a limb without them.

VRISKA IS A FAT DUMB WHORE!

Karkat's gr8 at sucking 8ulge!!!!!!!!

These threads aren't hsg by a long shot. It was a really unique experience we had, and I don't expect to be a part of anything like it again. I just feel glad that it happened.

pretty sure she's done two of those

my virgin eyes....

There was a time on Cred Forums when you could start a thread with that picture. I await my ban.

yeah when she was a baby
Jade's interactions with dave was the first human contact she had in probably ten years.
Think how happy she would have been to see and do all these things, bounding around wanting to show him everything in her house and being all weird and grabby

>that will never happen
ayyyy they're right

WE WIN AGAIN KARKAT BROS

>that will never happen

It already did user. The froghunt never got undone, it even got several songs dedicated to it.

Which pesterlog?

KARKAT
ALWAYS WINS BAYBEEE

WHERE MY CRAB BROS AT

the toxic masculinity one
He never recovered after that

Does she fuck him?

I salute your boldness.

Some would have done it half-heartedly with spoilers, but you risked it all.

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>WHERE MY CRAB BROS AT
*b8rps*

No man
I'm saying Jade got to experience a full day of normal human contact, which to her was like Christmas and her birthday.
Both of which were things she hadn't experienced probably.
And she was all super excited and unfortunately because retcon-wise it was probably the only prolonged interaction she got it probably left her really really really pining for Dave.

Link please. it's been too long and I don't remember.

HAHA MAN THAT'S ALRIGHT I CAN WAIT. HOW LONG IS YOUR DIGESTION PERIOD NORMALLY?

Do people seriously think there's still a chance of this happening?
Like at some point you have to realize that you're not his target audience anymore and this has zero chance of happening. The best you can hope for is Jade/Davepeta.

Just letting it all hang out in the open.

i would gladly let davejade never become canon if it means davepeta can die

mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=009387

>2. the male adulation of masculinity to that extent TO BE HONEST is pretty fucking gay unto itself

sounds like it was ripped directly from some 12 year old's sjw tumblr blog

Davepeta is thankfully dead

It's the merciful thing to do.

Davepeta was consumed by a blackhole
Sides Jade went off and hit on real Dave instead because she knows that even as godawful as he's become
He's still better than Davepeta.

Everything is better than Davepeta

Too bad Dave's moved on, then.

Is it even a question that Dave is gay? Or that davekat isn't a thing?

It's endgame.

Jade has no choice but to end up with the best boy now, instead of a shitty strider. You know who I'm talking about.

>Do people seriously think there's still a chance of this happening?

Do people not? Karkat's sitting angrily glaring at a happy Jade and Dave, whose last two interactions were each other in an undeniably shippy context. I think it's pretty clear to anyone who isn't a fujoshit what ended up happening.

Reminder that Jade will use the red string Dave tied around her as a wedding ring.

YIKES
That is some fanfiction-tier writing.
Thanks for linking me.

...gamzee? he's the only viable male left....

>You know who I'm talking about.
There are no best boys left though.

Pretty sure only icels denies at this point. I mean, it's always easy to tell it's them doing this.

S-sollux?

Gamzee has been locked away beneath a pyramid to the gods. A thousand years later mortals will unleash his wrath upon the earth.

Terezi!

I am going to leave you for 8 minutes!
Don't do anything stupid while I am away!

no. i said best boy. not worst. keep guessing, it's pretty obvious.

Oh, I know who you're talking about

no!

Jade isn't into incest.

Sollux isn't worst boy! He's at least fifth best. You've got some lousy taste there mister.

But none of the characters in homestuck have ever worked as a best boy.

Maybe one did. You know who worked in movie production? Alpha Dave.

So Jade will go for the older, more experienced, more virile version of Dave?

sigh. it was jack. i bet you all feel silly now that you realize who it was!

he was a good boy!

it makes me angry because the set of realer than kraft mayo/grabbing the bull by the horns/severely countertrolled pesterlogs were so incredibly well written

and if hussie wanted to drop dave being gay, it should have been in the most flamboyant peacocky doing backflips over a giant phallic idol "irony so thick you can barely tell what's truth/lies" strider standard of behaviour

not sjws sniffing their own farts for how self-aware and inclusive they are about fluid dynamic sexuality and gender

The one that was never fucked up by Hussie, yes.

>Jade dating a black guy

You're a dumb

But what about John?

John canonically assaulted a retarded kid because he hates incest so much.

he only likes dead girls

OK4Y

*FUCKS 3V3RYON3 3XC3PT K4RK4T*

>not sjws sniffing their own farts for how self-aware and inclusive they are about fluid dynamic sexuality and gender

But that's the only kind of people and universe that supports a gay Dave

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Why not just fuck Grandpa then?

True. Would still be cute tho.

He lived with a now dead Jade for three years.

Because granpda isn't famous director Dave who can shower her in expensive gifts and weird celebrity meetups that Jade doesn't know and generally be her sugar daddy.

Canon.

hey terezi! look at what lalonde did to my dick.
she spilled tomato juice all over it and now it is completely red!
i am the tomato dick. it is me.
...hey why are you looking at me like that?

But normal Dave is rich as well

Dave has a talent for creating wealth. Because Time is money.

normal Dave is a bitch boy who can't compete with Alpha Dave. It's like grapes versus wine, one has matured.

He's not a famous movie director, and he's probably castrated.

i've shipped davros since 2010 and i'd rather have had davejade getting married in A7 than the atrocities of davekat

i am insulted not on a gay inclusiveness level but on the shit quality of the writing, the rushed weak depiction of a meaningless relationship, and the annihilation of everything that made their characters interesting in the earlier comic

gay dave potentially could have been good if the quality of the comic itself was good to reflect that

davros was a good ship...

Jane is fat

FAT

>i'd rather have had davejade getting married in A7

That seems like a good outcome.

Good night thread!

Alpha Dave is a bitch boy too. He didn't have Bro to toughen him up at all. He's all smooth and manicured. He only keeps in shape for his own vanity.

Please, he's LESS of a bitch boy because he had Bro not hanging over his head.
and he'll come at jade with enthusiasm because a) it looks like his grandma jade who he had the hots for and b) for once he gets to fuck a girl who isn't a cocaine addict or his sister

always glad to see hsg has turned a corner, every year previous to this i would have been laughed out of the thread with two dozen replies of >liking tavros

like sollux/kanaya it only existed for a few pages at the height of the comic but is incredibly fun to dwell on

There's not enough people to tell you off
That being said
>liking tavros
>having taste that bad

But he had it specifically for grandma, who was a GILF

What do Karkat and the Persona 5 protag both have in common?

Stop posting this edit, it was never funny

>edit

you poor soul

GILFHood, like MILFHood, transcends universes.
Jade's the hottest 16 year old grandma on earth. Mostly because humanity is all dead and there are no more grandmas.

i always shipped johnkat too

truly i have the worst taste and also got the worst of both worlds in regards to canon gay ships

>Leo - Beats up Cancer easily
>Scorpio - Sits on Cancer's face, then purrs

Holy shit, it really is accurate!

I think time magazine's most eligible bachelor can have all the star-struck whitebread teenagers his heart desires.

Johnkat is godawful, but it's small fry compared to how awful Davekat is.
Davekat satisfied nobody except the worst Homestuck fans, even the people worse than you. And that's saying something.

yeah but none that are technically his adopted grandmother nor part dog.

Please, I bet Dave's like that one weird guy that all the moms like but teenagers are like "ew he's weird and old".

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No way, Dave is boyband handsome. That effeminate twinky type that the preteens go wild for, like bloom and effron. And he died young so that he never went the way of the dicaprio. Or if he did it wasn't what he was remembered for. Moms like Men, like pitt and whoever that dude who played aragorn was.

So if she has kids does she retain her gilfhood or does she devolve into milfhood?

Please, Dave looks weird and androgynous in the bad way, the only people that go for him are weird moms, lesbians, and Jade.

>he died young

didn't some user do the math years ago and figure out alpha dave and rose were in their 50s during the revolution? i still have this filename hanging around

i dont think you know what moms like

It's unlocked across all accounts.

I guess we should agree to disagree.

DaveRose is cutest degenerate ship

What if Sburb had a cashshop
What would it even offer?

I'm not sure what information they would have been using to get to that conclusion.

Both are good.

I think they give approximate dates for when Dave and Rose landed, combined with Condy's takeover of earth. It puts them in their 50s.

She becomes a milf-gilf hybrid, which is a dangerous unstoppable creature.

That's literally it though.

>Jade was never corrupted by her space powers into a giant unstoppable unknowable god entity of cosmic propagation with dog ears
>No John as a living sentient hurricane that coalesces over the atlantic
>no massive otherworldly red hot mass of gears and glass timegod dave
>no luck god rose that exclusively communicates through dice rolls and games of chance

But can I fuck any of them?

I wanted to be bullied by a Scorpio.

There was a fic where weird eldritch mass of stuff Rose fucked wind John. But not to that level, they were still kinda human.

>mfw this quality art will never be produced again because the people who make it have gone full tumblr and convinced themselves shipping reflects real life

Then find or write me one.
I want to see outer god intimacy

It fucking hurts.
This fandom's got no drive anymore, you can't draw anything fun cause tumblr will bitch at you and rarely do we get good art anymore. Almost everyone draws in collide's chibi style.

K, will you accept cosmic star babies?

>never got all the kids creating/shaping/maintaining the aspects of their universe in meta context
>stepping out of the fabric of reality to go check the temperature of the sun or wind the concept of time or brew an injection of morality and empathy to exist within the hearts of the new population
>never got literal godkids doing stupid shit like dave trying to get john to make it rayheehain on someone's wedding day

>equius
>obnoxious meme character
end yourself right now

There was sort of a fic on that, where they also try to hide in secret.

Honestly, Hussie probably tried too hard because he's an actual straight dude and was uncomfortable writing Dave as gay and chose a 'safer' more meme version of gay descriptions he has heard around the net.
Also, that pic cracks me tf up.

He shouldn't have tried at all

It's silly that we postulate so much on what is 'good' writing when most of us don't create content ourselves.
I feel that once a person starts writing 10k+ words a month at least, then they can make judgement on the quality of writing, otherwise the point is moot and we end up in a cycle of pointless conjecture.
As a person who spent 5 years as a depressed/anxious waste of space doing nothing, I feel that a person only has value when creating content. Posting opinions about writing technique and character development means nothing when you don't actively practice these things. Honestly, this is also projecting but I hope to get my point across that despite our own fanon of events most writing developments are easier said than done.

I agree, but at the same time, who are we to stop his portrayal of a gay character if that is how he wants his own character to be?
It's a strange mash up of creator's rights vs actual representation

I thought the dialogue was in-character and funny in the typical satirical Homestuck fashion. What is the problem with it?

God, Dave/John is so cute, though...

Any post-sburb thing that has them not as gods i immediately dismiss as shit

Why?

I just picked up on this again after dropping it for 4 years and I gotta say, fuck yall. I know I shouldn't feel shame for enjoy this, but i was big in the fandom years ago and I feel lame getting back into it now.

it ruined karkat, who was the true 4th main character

it's really, really easy to avoid massive writing faux pas such as retcons
also obligatory:
>you need to be a chef before you know what good food tastes like

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Vriska was the main character all along user. There's no 2nd 3rds or 4ths.

No it didn't. Every character was ruined and you're just assigning blame to his relationship with Dave out of bitterness when all the characters got shafted.

I never got that far in Homestuck, but I find it hard to believe that Hussie would actually try to put pathos in his story, given how indifferent his characters were to the end of the world.

Was the alcoholism played for drama?

I wanna be seduced by a lewd Rose!

>Was the alcoholism played for drama?
I'm going to assume you're never going to read the rest of the story, and that's a decision I fully support. Here's how it happened.

There was a time skip.

Rose seemed fine and happy.

Another time skip.

Rose had one cup of alcohol and a silly drunk moment.

A third time skip.

BWAAAAAAH ALCOHOL IS RUINING EVERYTHIIIING ALSO TWO OTHER CHARACTERS HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS OUT OF NOWHERE AS WELL

A smaller time skip.

"Maybe I can fix my alcoholism through character growth and WHOOPS NVM I DIED SO TRAGIC"

Whoops there's a retcon

Rose never got to be an alcoholic because Vriska saved the day :^)

Equius would never...

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So how many of enjoyed the Rex Duodecim Angelus animation?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=-19Up0dLzNw

when I first saw it I hated it, "they don't understand hussie's work!!" etc, but upon a later second viewing I mostly enjoyed it. still think some of the artists should've been told to at least try to match the comic's styles or gtfo, though the "bizarrely realistic trolls with no animation" portion still cracks me up

i feel compelled to link this madness that reminded me of it recently: vimeo.com/158251434

delete thii2

Honestly when i first heard they were doing this I wasn't expexting them to completely stick to the art style of the comics, since it was a fan thing i wanted to see how they could pull it off

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Always found that ship to be cute, but it was karezi that sold me

HEIL

What are these classes?

>Curator
>Kaiser
Found them on msaforums,ill find the link, I just recolored them with different aspect colors

Oh, ok, thanks
By the way, do you by any chance one of those with the void aspect colours?

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Strange i cant find the site for the link?
Well there were 12 classes
>Harbinger
>Herald
>Prophet
>Curator
>Pariah
>Matron
>Corsair
>Champion
>Justicar
>Sage
>Count
I dont remember if i did void for all of them but ill post what i have right now, im on mobile right now

>cant find the site for the link
Oh that's weird
Oh and thaks for posting them

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Ayyy, neat, thanks

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Coulda swore i had more but this is all i have on hand, puls im not digging how this one looks but i got a edited one back home I think

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overdesigned as fuck

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which girl is happiest to have a boyfriend to kiss

Aradia

Roxy

Roxy by far

Jade and Roxy come close, but Roxy wins out because she does this weird girly squeeing thing afterwards. Jade just sort of desperately clings because she's emotionally traumatized, Roxy's just constantly on cloud nine to have any sort of companionship.

Five months later I'm still fucking mad

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I've been meaning to update this with just a sheer wall of downward movement off the bottom of the graph and the THANKS FOR PLAYING from the ending

What are you waiting for then?

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Roxy has no boyfriend though!

what about john?

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Nah

being a lazy cunt mostly

That's her husband.

Wh8re's John....

at his office job. doing businesses

What happened to being a comedian?

he settles for a job to support his children

john fucking his ethnic secretary and cheating on his blonde trophy wife!

John is a loyal loving husband, as is Dave.

Well yeah, that's what happens when your wives can be anywhere at anytime

Its not cheating if your wife encourages you to do it.

and joins in

John truly is
>Livin Da Dream

*SHOOTS THE PREGNANT MS PAINT*
*DRIVES OVER SOME BLACK CARAPACE KIDS ON THE STREETS*
*BURNS DOWN THE CAN TOWN ORPHANAGE*
*RAPES TEREZI, BREAKS HER NECK AND DISMEMBERS HER BODY PARTS*
*BRUTALLY BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF DAVE*

FRIENDS, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT VRISKA. SHE IS TOO DANGEROUS.

*cOMES BACK TO LIFE,*
*mIND CONTROLS JADE FOR SEX,*
*bEATS THE SHIT OUT OF CALLIOPE,*
*tORTURES ARADIA,*
i, uH, aCHOO, aGREE THAT IS SOMETHING WE MUST DO,

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no matter how much you mind control jade she'd never have sex with tavros

It only mind controls the doggy part of her anyway.

>uHHHH,,, OKAY YOU ARE NOW FEELING
>vERY HORNY,,,
>Jade immediately becomes turned on, and then goes off to fuck someone else

Kehehehehehehehehehehhee

>Tavros is super unattractive
>his dancestor was a regular heartbreaker
What happen

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Tavros could look as handsome as possible, it's just in no reality would Jade ever fuck him.

I don't like trolls.

I never liked trolls.

Who does?

I will never like trolls.

FUCK ESTABLISHED NAMING CONVENTIONS

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If you give them four and six letter names you're just asking them to end up as protagonists

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Nothing says those are actual rules.

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Would their own kids play Sburb? That seems unfair.

Meteors keep sending down CDs that they then break. It's worse than AOL online

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Pretty sure theyd do everything thing within their godly powers to stop them from playing

Doubt they'd play anyway. For one thing, they need a First Guardian to facilitate the game, which they lack.

>they need a First Guardian to facilitate the game
was that ever explicitly mentioned as a prerequisite? The cherubs didn't have one, though they technically got to play it through a series of causal loops and coincidence.

uh...jade???

They don't need one when they have a fucking group of immortal ex-players.

If for whatever reason they played sburb again they would damn well be ready

But id doubt they would want to go through that again, even with all the ablites they have at their disposal.

If and when hiveswap comes out, what term are we going to use to refer to it and homestuck collectively? Alterniaverse?

Yeah but they wanted to play and intentionally tried to. Normally a planet that's meant to play it without forcing them has a first guardian that preps the planet.

Probably just Homestuck.

Homestuck is an MSPA, things relating to the adventure that is Homestuck will be the Homestuck. Like how Paradox Space is Homestuck EU, but not specifically MSPA.

i don't undestand...?
it's the same planet...

I don't remember Gcat prepping the alphas. It just sort of hung around for a bit, and then everything worked out 'okay' with entering, mostly because of the betas and condy.

It directed the players and kept them alive. Obviously more sentient things like Scratch versus pets like Bec or GCAT will have different goals. It's outright stated the first guardians facilitate the planet's ultimate purpose.

Seems kind of weird, since hiveswap is supposed to be an experience independent to homestuck, and in theory can be enjoyed without the player having ever heard of homestuck.

Is Jade REALLY a first guardian though?

yes half of one

I do want to refrain from calling it 'Homestuck EU' because that implies it's not canon or essential, but really we know it is. Plus it fits into a prat of the canon that is unexplored and could give us tells to a bit of homestuck history.

Trizza was never mentioned in Homestuck but she's supposed to be an heiress that condy disposes of, but this places her before feferi, so the timelines seem a litle skewed etc.

I'll just refer to it independently as 'the homestuck game' or 'hiveswap' for those that know. Grouping it with homestuck as a collective universe is tricky as you said.

So in other words not really.
Plus probably wouldn't want to go through Sburb again, especially as a guardian having to watch their kid struggle and die.
Earth will play Sburb again, but definitely not with the kids.

I think that's reaching, honestly. Gcat did sort of keep the players alive before entering in a few circumstances that we saw, and I'm sure it helped them in the timeframe we didn't see, but Bec was protecting Jade from the temple, and that was essential to their whole timeline and how entering and the exile story would work for them.

Gcat seemed almost completely passive when it came to actual sburb mechanics, because presumably it knew that the betas were on the way, and that it didn't really matter in the end. The session was a dud and it would be fixed in time.

That's not to say that if it was a different circumstance gcat would be just as passive, but I think that saying a first guardian is essential is extrapolating a little. I would posit that nothing is 'essential' for sburb, people bring up the 'No normal session' argument all the time. I could imagine a session with no exile narrative for instance.

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Homestuck... its just bad

Yeah but it's clear that a first guardian is common enough and they have a defined purpose in the role of Sburb. And anyway, it's not like anything else would try and get the game played in this hypothetical situation. Their parents would actively try to avoid Sburb being played.

Sorry we like different things, guy.

Considering how the majority of all sessions fail, and that accounts for all the sessions played on each individual planet, I'd say that you are probably right that a first guardian is /probably/ needed in order to complete a session succesfully, I mean, it can only realistically help one session out, right? Plus, you know, omniscience and omnipotence helps too.

They see the best course of action from their genesis and take it I suppose. But leading from that, the kids session failed and was tied up with one of the most powerful time demons in existence, but bec still took it, so..?

I guess the chances of anything working right are just that slim.

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The sessions we saw were all extreme cases in the first place.

act8.bandcamp.com/releases
Is this good?

Rose was a good character. She was a pseudo intellectual knowitall with a penchant for gothic horror. Her inherent nature bit her in the ass when she realized her mother had died, and she acted in a manner appropriate for her character.

That was all undone when there were no consequences however.

This is stupid because none of the kids are having kids

>2nd page
>shoehorned OC
no thanks

its evil

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then who stars in Dante Basco's sequel

I know the fanmade act 8 sucks.
But I was just asking is the soundtrack worth downloading or is it shit.

Bad ship.

it's so-and-so from what I've heard. Like a budget fans and music. that depends on where you place fans and music in quality though.

Why is cannon Jade in that picture?

Vriska Strider-Vantas

what can you say about homestuck
what the heck can you say about homestuck

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>breasts
Get your heteronormativity out of this thread

no

>Dave gets trapped in Jade's Woolie hole.

In this universe she grows up wanting to become liker her childhood hero and professional athlete Air-Bud

>finds entire lost civilizations living there

It's bad.

It was good then it became bad.

I don't know what people are doing in this thread, it feels like some people can't move on from /hsg/.

Spent the last 2 days sorting through my homestuck folder to find that I have more sawtooth pictures than half of the trolls.

This amuses me somehow, because sawtooth gets thrown in the misc characters folder rather than a solo one.

I bet Space Buddies is Jade's favorite movie.

>Finds 3 whole Genesis Frogs in there.
>"shit i wasnt the only forge "she" lit"

Jade is a woman you close-minded bigot.

>Finds the body of that one dog she killed

>woman

That Aranea point is still stupid and Cascade should be at the top; the quality is not as consistent as the graph makes it out to be.

>finds most of Hussie's hiveswap money

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>Not Snow Buddies
Shit tastes, Jade.

kanayaposter where do you get your pictures, these filenames perplex me.

also have my favorite kanaya

Space Buddies has
>dogs
>puppies
>space

>Snow Buddies clearly leads into the plot point of there being a dog Santa.
Checkmate.

>Jade forcing everyone to sit through it while she sits there, glued to the screen with a ferocious intensity

>Jade has no real cultural reference point to know why santa or christmas is significant
>Only really argued in favor of snow as banter with Dave, was cold and gladly melted it with the forge

checkmate

>Dave finds a photo album of the entire Harley Tree
>Finds a picture of himself amongst the photos
>looks at his hand and cries in agony as he slowly fades away

>She laughs at the dumb fart jokes.

Explain Homestuck's plot in one sentence.

Thanks for the Kanaya
For the pictures I get them mostly from boorus, /hst/ and tumblr
But I'm not surprised that the filenames intrigue you

>Jade obviously would understand Christmas from the perspectives given in the movies; would enjoy the the themes of charity and kindness.
>This would allow her to feel like she's learning too.
>Obviously likes snow.
You're not even trying.

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Then why did she melt the snow. And why would she have any attachment to the christmas portions versus the physics and space portions in the other one, something she's passionate about.

>and then when it's over, jade wants to watch it again

>jade likes froggos
>froggos are frozen :((
>froggos are integral to the space creation myth
>free the froggos
>all is well

She was obliged to melt the snow. The amount of attention given to Christmas in Snow Buddies and Santa Buddies: The Legend of Santa Paws clearly outweighs the amount of attention physics is given in Space Buddies; because they're for tiny babies.

Autisic green skeleton kills reality cause it has nothing better to do.

____ __ _____

Yeah but again, Christmas has no real relevance to Jade.

The retcon was the worst thing to ever happen to the comic.

Also why did having Vriska around change everything?

We've gone over this. Debunked.

D I C K S O U T
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cos shes a bitch. also she fetched and carried the juju chest too I guess.

andrew really did drop the ball

FUCK YOU user

smol trol

Jade's nice, but nothing says she's particularly charitable. If anything most of the qualities she likes are companionship and trust, which is much more important in a space mission, especially where it's run by dogs who you just know will fuck up the instruments

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Just because she's not particularly charitable herself, it doesn't mean she wouldn't like generally warm and cozy feelings. She would feel too concerned for the doggos to enjoy the film- especially since it lacks any overarching emotional or scientific themes.

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Yeah but Jade would like the warm and cozy feelings she gets from forcing her friends to suffer through her air bud marathon, not from a holiday she knows nothing about.

So what ever became of Karkat's whole "important destiny" crap?

Presumably he'll find out that blood in actuality does have something to do with leadership after all, and he'll lead the new troll race to a peaceful and prosperous future.

off screen :^)

Again, debunked. She could still get those feelings from Snow Buddies or Santa Buddies: The Legend of Santa Paws. The most likely thing is that she'd make them watch the whole series but again, she'd probably like the Snow Buddies duo the best- probably because it compliments the already warm and fuzzy feelings.

Nothing. We know trolls settle another planet, that's about it.
He's at most a third wheel in a better relationship right now. His greatest achievement was tying up a midget.

His destiny was to Job to english

>this whole debate

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Thinking about it, he had a fuck ton of unresolved arcs. Remember how he alienated Terezi by trying to push her into all his ships? Just like the Sufferer and the Disciple?

Nothing ever came of that, either.

Look, it's well established Jade's favorite movie is Space Buddies, it's one guy arguing against it.

>peaceful and prosperous future
>Karkat praised Condy
>people actually believe Karkat is going to turn the new Alternia into Beforus 2.0 aka Sweden

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Fucking prove it.

Man, Jade has some really rough sex

If Beforus is Sweden does that mean Lord English was the migrants?

One of the first things we learn about karkat is that he wanted to be a part of the alternian elite fighting force, a threshecutioner.

Of course he's going to fuck up royally. His destiny is actually to get murdered like the signless before him, only this time it will be just.

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She's all tuckered out

Literally her first conversation in the comic bro.

When loneliness permeates your very existence, you kinda go overboard sometimes whenever you've got any bit of intimacy

Citation needed.

>what my friends think I do

Gives new meaning to "light the forge"

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>what I actually do

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I didn't realize Jade had a bird beak

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I miss Rose and hotpockets

Always wondered how the sufferer was able to pull that off the disciple

Jade's numerous, numerous bedsores

*With the Disciple

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The note kind of looks like Rose's face to be honest

Tentabulges
not even once

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>Callie just watching her sleep
What a fucking creepo

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which girl has the most redeeming qualities?

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>this thread

Because she's a Mary Sue.

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all i said is that maybe we shouldn't watch cop dog tonight
calm down

Blame the death of MSPAF and the influx of posters since March.

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I don't understand how this thread is Reddit.

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No, she's Jade.

I think John might be on board though
Jake too, they both love terrible movies

She's both.

best hope you're not a dude and it might happen,

one day

You can't have two names unless you're a douche.

jade wants EVERYONE to watch. Or else.

tfw when im a guy

What's your opinion on this?

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>Cop Dog
>Terrible
GG: get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>tfw when

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Dave's shitty sperm and Terezi's shitty egg cell.

I approve this.

So does Jade just rate movies on a scale from no dogs to dogs?

What happens when she sees a DVD for resevoir dogs?

fuck i shouldn't have deleted the post because of the error

No thats karkat sperm, dave sperm would have shades on them.

here's the patch

>GG: this crime stuff is boring!!
>GG: when are they gonna get to the dogs in the lake?? :(

She starts dressing up as a gangster.

Is that person a guy or a gal?

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guar

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>Forbidden love tier
I want it sooooo baaaadd

what gender is that?

I really hate Hope colors

A gender that ruins boots.

mayonnaise

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What a retard.

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Great, now she'll come back as a furry.
You've doomed us all.

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>retard
?

why?

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All lesbians are mentally handicapped. (ex. Rose, Kanaya)

There are some people who tried to get the group back together

If you look around for what's left of the Replay Value RP I'm pretty sure they brought the IRC back

Now you can have a werewolf girlfriend though

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All of these fanclasses with maybe the exception of prophet are 2011 tumblr tier.

So overdesigned, they're supposed to be baggy fitted and for all humanoids. This isn't DnD

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>Rose

It's not her fault microwaves are so complicated

Just wanted to chime in and say I'm still angry about how shitty the retcon is and how terribly things ended and that it is legitimately impressive how hussie had the actual balls to completely refuse to show a single conversation between the four main kids

Dersecest continues to be the only ship that matters

I know right
Like what does "Time Cook" even mean?
Or "power level?"

how's the cruise going

>You will never corrupt Kanaya

Characters turned black can look fine so long as they dont give them ridiculous lips, hair and skin like a dersite

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Hows it feel to be home alone on a friday night on a mongolian throat singing caravan?

KILL IT

terrible tbqhwy captain

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trolls can't even get pregnant...terezi would never...

oh but she would!

Ectobiology finds a way.

literally everybody?
even ms paint?

At least we can be miserable 20-somethings together

especially ms paint

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and she did!

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chin up cap'n, dersecest on the horizon, forever and always, like the gold in the gloam

>You will never cuck Rose by fucking Kanaya in front of her and then make Kanaya dump her

>seinfield theme music

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Jade will in her place

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reminds me of dragon knight.

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Other than teaching kanaya how to turn the light off, did porrim literally do anything relevent?

hadron is that you

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actually that got retconned since the meteor wouldn't be the same one, so we don't know if she even did that

let karkat sit in her lap while she stroked his hair and told him he was a good boy

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Shiiiiit so close, but its all fine since i love kanaya anyway

Jesus Christ, you're right

Literally who cares about karkat 'I've decided we're going to split terezi without even speaking to her' vantas

if you say that then it also means that the ghost ship ride would possibly not have happened meaning the juju chest was never found. Plothole or not, I think we can say that the retcon was a mess either way

This is pre-Retcon Karkat, the one we wanted to succeed and pierce the dragon's soft underbelly with his knight's sword

i always point out the disparity with the meteor whenever it comes up and so far no one's been able to explain it (obviously because there's no explanation)
sometimes people say there must have been two meteors but boy does that not work either

jade does not let anyone breed with her, it's a privilege only afforded to the most worthy.

Shit m8, where were all the other vriskas that should've been in the bubbles with A5's?
What about other Areneas?
How the fuck did the ancestors even get in bubbles if it was feferi that made the deal?
The whole thing is a fucking mess, like did he honestly put no fucking thought into what this kind of retcon would do?

Of course not, that's why it solved everything in a way that was super lazy and designed to maximize tumblr appeal

The baby's going to be super retarded.

Davekat isn't just tumblr though

Yeah but probably less retarded than a davejade or johnrose baby
Prospit kid retardation is a special kind of stupid

the biggest issue of all was the retcons were meant to be some sort of further reaching change that takes permanent effect, but then we find out retcon powers is what caused caliborn to get sucked into cal in the first place, which implies that the retcon effects had somehow already happened even thoug they don't work like that

No, it's going to megaretarded because it has Rose's genes.

It's not just davekat
The whole "everyone is one big inoffensive happy family that solves all their problems without issue and it's all drawn in a weird vague crayon style because i'm emotionally immature and can't handle any conflict also there's lots of gay" is tumblr incarnate. Everything post retcon was so tame, so manufactured and inoffensive it was jarring.

So would a JohnRose baby be braindead effectively?

Baby should be fine, it that baby fucks its own sibling/cousin, then issues would probably start to appear.

It'd be very pretty and very stupid. A derpy bimbo.

It might go full circle and end up being a genius.

>tfw John will never make you a woman

Slim chance, both John and Rose have dominant dumb genes.

It's still more likely to end up retarded in the first generation. The implication wasn't inbreeding anyway.

>John's daughter, an absolutely stacked, blonde haired blue eyed beauty. The kind of trophy wife movie stars have.
>So dumb they make Jake look smart, can't make a move because John's super protective on them

It might be so stupid that it goes full circle and it somehow becomes a baby genius; like, a super sperg.

Jade and Dave got all the smart genes, their brood has a higher chance of being smart.

Baby geniuses was a shitty movie.

Jade liked it.

I think that might just be because caliborn was a lord of time at that point which negates causality. which sort of makes you wonder why a multiversal timeloop matters with lil cal in the first place but there ya go

it's bullshit but it just werks

So rosejohn's baby would just be roxy

but without a stem background

So what would JohnRoxy's baby be?

A well adjusted and happier version of Rose who enjoys the goth aesthetic

Rose
They name her Rose too.

but retcons are supposed to be distinct from regular time control, that's like the whole point
and then you have shit like the supposed lord of time get frozen in place by aradia

It was a great movie.
Jake and John too.

Even Jake and John don't like it. They're confused when Jade gets super excited about it.

people who name their kids after themselves are fucking weird tbqh

>le time players should be immune to time magic meme

ur autistic pain feeds me

But it's John and Roxy.
They name her Rose the Second, referred to also as "the best Rose".