>Only 8 were chosen, to take part in a 13 week DC Comics Writers Workshop course led by Scott Snyder.
(Pic Related in order of citation)
>They are Owl Goingback (Bram Stoker award winner for Crota, Sealed With A Kiss)
>Writing partners Erica Harrell and Desirée Proctor (writers of MTV’ Happyland and The Walking Dead: Michonne for Telltale Games)
>Al Letson (Planetfall, Imperfect, Peabody award winner for NPR’s State of the Re:Union)
>David Accampo (Lost Angels, Sparrow & Crowe)
>Aaron Gillespie (LadyDemon, Bionic Man)
>Ryan Lindsay (Ghost Town, Negative Space)
>Tony Patrick (X’ed, writer of short film Black Card).
>Congratulations all!
I still can't comprehend why there are people who think these kinds of talent workshops will entertain people who literally have no experience writing or has no previous accolades. Do they seriously think that DC's gonna seriously get a bunch of wannabe writers with huge ideas and zero experience other than their Fan Fiction as their next Tom King, James Tynion IV, Steve Orlando, and Tim Seeley?
Well I was holding back on being upset until I learned whether or not they picked actual nobodies.
I guess I'm mad now.
Jace Fisher
Me on the top
Parker Thompson
More bald comic writers.
Mason Reed
>Well I was holding back on being upset until I learned whether or not they picked actual nobodies. I honestly thought this was going to be prioritizing unpublished creators.
What a laugh.
Dylan Ward
Wasn't aware of this but checked the site and it said for professional writers so why would they pick literal nobodies?
Jose Russell
Liked their submission? Want to make them into somebodies and gain some company loyalty? I dunno man, shit.
Jeremiah Nelson
>o they seriously think that DC's gonna seriously get a bunch of wannabe writers with huge ideas and zero experience other than their Fan Fiction as their next Tom King, James Tynion IV, Steve Orlando, and Tim Seeley? all the "big guys" you can think about started like that.
Elijah Smith
I'm not sure they even went through all the submissions seeing as you have to provide both a resume and a previously published work. Something like that wouldn't matter if they wanted to give nobodies a chance.
Landon James
Which makes one wonder what is the point of even making it a contest instead of just directly contacting those you think have promise.
Anthony Miller
Good to see Woolie expanding from doing Youtube videos
Jose Bennett
Easier for them to come to you to make sure they're interested I guess? Instead of contacting a whole bunch of people and going "Do you wanna write comics for DC".
Nicholas Turner
Why the fuck would they actually pick actual nobodies? Do people seriously think winning the lottery is this easy?
And most of all, who would want to hire fan fiction writers that only read comic books and nothing else?
Op mentions Tim Seeley, Tim Seeley has been working in the industry for a very long time, just because you people have only heard about him recently doesn't mean he didn't work hard to build up his name to get to this stage.
Get off your ass and work, don't expect DC or any other major company to just desperately look for you and bring you in because, in your opinion, you're a pretty cool person.
Easton Harris
They all started in small publishers, even Bendis did years of indie comics before getting work for DC and marvel, very few people go from unpublished to working unless nepotism is involved or if they're a celebrity in another field
Joshua Ward
Creates a sense of dependency in the writer for the company. Many of the current publishers are freaking out over the success and freedom of digital publishing + the Image method. Tey're starting to realize they're growing irrelevant to artists and writers.
Anthony Martinez
Makes sense.
Jack Robinson
It was so easier in the past. Shooter was just a 16 year old who sent DC his pitches and got picked up as the writer on their biggest comics.
Henry Roberts
the internet was a mistake
Aaron Sullivan
Why would they have picked nobodies? Nothing about the prompt or contest indicated that they were going to pick nobodies.
Matthew Thomas
Is this the same as Snyder's class?
Anthony Myers
It is pretty rough that if you want to write comics for DC you have to already be a successful TV, film, book or radio writer. That isn't a criticism of DC, although I do find it quite funny that Scott Snyder is going to be "teaching" these people.
And I think there's legitimate criticism of DC on the positive PR they got from this announcement as an "open call", but I also think it was really clear from the application process if you didn't have multiple serious writing credits there was little point in applying.
Ayden Nguyen
I mean, if it wasn't already obvious what DC was intending with this contest, I think they made their goals somewhat clear at SDCC.
newsarama.com/30312-sdcc-2016-dc-meet-the-co-publishers-didio-lee-panel.html >A fan asked how do they get DC's attention with their ideas. Lee said that he sent numerous submissions and met numerous editors. "Things are different now - there's nobody holding you back from your own dream," saying that the fan could write and draw their own comic, printing your own comic at Kinko's or crowd-sourcing campaigns such as on Kickstarter. "The barrier has basically disappeared... the only thing holding you back is yourself."
>"The first thing you've got to do is write," DiDio said. "People tell us all the time, 'I've never written anything before, but I want to write Batman.' And I say 'great - so does everyone else...' DC is not your first stop. It's your last stop... the more you write, the better you get."
(which is a bit bullshit considering, at least, Bennett and the Benson sisters, who *literally* got their starts on DC projects).
But as it applied to their recent talent search, it's obvious what they meant: "we're looking for published, highly qualified people who 1) maybe aren't quite qualified enough in comics to work with us and 2) have a high interest in working with us and maybe *just* us (or simply not for Marvel)".
Austin Perry
Yep. This is the "Writer's Talent Workshop Search" -- the search has been completed, so now the Workshop remains.
Henry Cooper
>A fan asked how do they get DC's attention with their ideas. Lee said that he sent numerous submissions and met numerous editors. "Things are different now - there's nobody holding you back from your own dream," saying that the fan could write and draw their own comic, printing your own comic at Kinko's or crowd-sourcing campaigns such as on Kickstarter. "The barrier has basically disappeared... the only thing holding you back is yourself." Hmmm.
James Foster
>led by Scott Snyder.
Angel Bell
It's not bullshit because those people actually wrote something before. Didio is talking about the people that hang around cons, write fan fiction and want a golden ticket straight into DC/Marvel. Say what you will about he Benson sisters but The 100 was pretty successful.
Leo Carter
If anything it was harder in the past, what the fuck are you talking about? Jim Shooter wasn't the norm
Jacob Baker
A lot of DCs current writers would not have gotten through this barrier.
Noah Thomas
They didn't have published scripts on the show by the time they were announced as writers for Birds of Prey.
And they were just *interns* on the show, who were given a chance to write a single episode (because, again, they've only written one episode so far for The 100 -- they're not veteran staff writers by any means).
So, pretty much literal-whos. (True, being able to finagle your way into a TV writing job is no small feat, but they were still at the beginning of their writing careers, pound for pound)
Blake Jones
Weren't Bennett and Tynion in Snyder's pre-workshop writing class, and he approached them to write comics?
Maybe I'm totally wrong about that one.
Lucas Perez
Those people should have spend their time establishing successful entertainment careers in other industries and then hopping the tracks obviously :^)
Camden Sanders
Like who? Even Tynion knew Snyder from college so he had an easy way in despite not having been published before because Snyder knew how his writing was.
Jason Nguyen
Yeah. I'm not 100% sure with Tynion, but I know Bennett was a literal student of Snyder in a college creative writing class; she got interested in working in the comic industry and Snyder thought she had some chops; so, he introduced her to some DC people and, I think, her first credit was on Batman Annual #2.
Jason Barnes
Why would you think that? It was pretty clear from the start that they wanted published writers, even if it was self published stuff
Blake Myers
You didn't need to be a big name to be selected then.
Andrew Murphy
The real advantage DC has over Marvel in terms of comics right now is that DC clearly has someone, or someones, upstairs with a clear plan and clear goals, and the plan builds to those goals. Marvel obviously does not.
I would suggest the situation is probably reversed when it comes to movies.
Nathaniel Taylor
Actually, I applied and wrote my pitch and then thought my resume was lacking so I got on like 4 different comic projects back in June. 3 months later and they're almost done and I'm starting 3 more longer running series. So I guess the program was a success in inspiring nobodies?
Tyler Mitchell
What are you working on?
Jaxon Ward
This pleases me to hear.
Jacob Mitchell
Where do you even go to get 'on' a comics project? I've only managed to put together my own projects with my own cash because the scene looks so dry for writers.
Nolan Clark
How do you manage to write 4 projects unless you're doing work for hire?
Ian Gray
That's excellent and exactly the right attitude. But I want to know what you're working on too.
Connor Torres
You'd think that "undiscovered talent" would refer to people who haven't been discovered. You knoe, like people who haven't made a name for themselves writing for NPR or popular video games.
That being said, if nobodies were DC's priority, they'd be smart to do something like an amateur work shop regularly. Get people who may have good ideas but aren't cultured or read enough or worldly or something and show them the basics and reinforce the need to develop background as well. This way, these fucking fanfiction serfs will actually try more than write "batman touches the throbbing member"
Robert Campbell
How much clearer could it be?
Christian Reyes
>That being said, if nobodies were DC's priority, they'd be smart to do something like an amateur work shop regularly These happen at cons all the time.
Ian Morgan
>people responding to me on Cred Forums Is this what being famous feels like?
Pardon the shilling but, I spent a few weeks after the submission deadline trundling around Cred Forums and saw the weekend threads for Premier Pulp. For the unengaged, it's a free online magazine that publishes comics quaterly. It was started here on Cred Forums and just came back recently.
Anyway, I joined their chat, and began writing a story with my friend doing art. Then I got bored waiting for her to finish and asked another friend to do a story. A few late nights with some other anons turned into two more projects.
As for my new projects, a few of my friends have longer webcomic series ideas that they could draw but didn't know how to write so I volunteered. Another girl I knew from High School is starting her magazine and I just offered my services and she told me I could have at least 2 long running series in it.
It's not much and there's no money involved but, it's a start for where I want to go. Honestly, the hardest part is asking people if you can join them
Andrew Morris
Better than sitting on your ass an hoping you get handed a job simply because you're asking.
Anthony Miller
>You'd think that "undiscovered talent" would refer to people who haven't been discovered. Undiscovered has always generally meant lesser known creators when it's used in that context, people always say shit like unknown talent or works on here all the time when they are referring to indie or obscure shit, it's a very common phrase.
Daniel Miller
its amazing what 5 (You)'s can do to a man
Cooper James
Good luck with your comics user. Would be great to see stuff come out of this workshop unrelated to the winners.
Justin Kelly
Oh I guess I didn't answer your question, these first 4 were all one shot short stories. I spent all my free time on them and barely went out.
Jackson Sanchez
>Owl Goingback
Da fuck
Isaiah Collins
Thanks for sharing user.
Zachary Clark
Yeah I think I'm going to go rob a bank now and ask out random grills with all the courage these (you)'s provided
Gavin Morris
no whaaaat, didn't you see CB Cebulski going to that con in the Philippines and thanking everyone on how many portfolios and submissions he got?/s
Nathan Nguyen
>grills faggot
Easton Cox
He's the first guy in the OP Pic, he must be a pretty cool dude, he's also one of the least popular from all of them judging from his number of followers though
Benjamin Gonzalez
its like he doesnt even WANT to write for marvel
Dylan Bennett
See, you knew people already and you just needed a kick in the butt. It's hard to find someone that cab draw and is willing to illustrate your writing for free.
Yes, because it's unreasonable to expect that. There are still a few anthologies and contests around that will take writer-only submissions, but you might just have to knuckle up and pay a guy user.
Jose Watson
And it's all been down hill from there.
Christian Roberts
Thanks for being interested in my story. It means a lot to be a part of this community and not be shunned.
All emotional faggotry aside though, check out the premier pulp threads. I'll see if i can gey one put up this Saturday
Kevin Hughes
If I had money I'd just buy more comics lel.
Eli Bailey
He's pretty old too then
Aaron Adams
You're right but, 2 of my first 4 are new partnerships with people I've never met in real life. The other stuff was some people that I knew but haven't spoken to since like 5 years ago.
I do agree that it's not easy finding artists though. I had to pay a friend of a friend to draw one page for me for my DC pitch. I can post it if you guys want to laugh at me.
Hudson Bell
Go ahead.
Brandon Adams
I'd had mixed opinions on Bennett for a really long time because she aims high but her writing always comes across as in love with itself or badly in need of an editing. Angela was a messy as hell book. Insexts is firmly engaged in patting itself on the back for pretty stock shock.
So I always look at a Bennett project and usually I look away again. But Animosity, while having a lot of Bennett hallmarks, is actually pretty good so far.
Dylan Myers
Yeah, that's one thing I appreciate. People are actually wailing about diversity in this talent workshop but I always like seeing something that doesn't concentrate solely on the old or young.
Christian Flores
OK but be gentle.
This was a one page excerpt from the narrative that I wrote as a pitch. I had never actually written a comic before and this was my first attempt. I put it up on my tumblr
Jason Brooks
>I still can't comprehend why there are people who think these kinds of talent workshops will entertain people who literally have no experience writing or has no previous accolades.
Other writing contests do that, even Nickelodeon. The whole point is to train people into getting in the industry.
Josiah Russell
>Owl Goingback MMORPG name generators were a mistake.
Brayden Ross
>First pic How can one man have so much class?
Henry Peterson
Urge to edit rising... That's a cool idea though.
Jaxson Price
It's not too bad, but the layout of the text boxes isn't intuitive. I had to check myself a couple times to make sure I was following them in sequence.
Easton Brown
>you will never be a legit old shaman who writes himself as a writer into the universe and bones his much-younger ghost wife all day >you will never be owl goingback
Camden Cox
I can only imagine. I had no editor for the actual comic portion. I literally just took the dialogue word for word from my narrative. In paragraph form its a bit better.
It's funny that you mention it because the sequence was originally going to be a page that could be read in any order but I wasn't intelligent enough to do it.
Henry Cruz
funny enough, that was his entire pitch to DC
they hired him on the spot
Carson Ortiz
>but I wasn't intelligent enough to do it. Even if you were it probably wouldn't be worth doing. Strong story telling is more impressive than literary masturbation.
Henry Lopez
Just like 12 copies of this picture in an envelope.
Daniel Ward
It's one of the things I learned this summer. I'm just a huge Morrison fag so this is where I started.
Jaxon Cruz
Also oh my god I love him
G R A N D P A F U
Lucas Adams
>there will never be a comic about the adventures of Taekwondo Master Bob Battle and his apprentice Owl Goingback
Connor Cooper
Is he a legit Injun?
Easton Hill
...
Alexander Torres
is it safe to agree that Owl Goingback is, dare I say it, "our guy"?
Connor Reed
It's like tweets from your dad.
He appears to be??
Adrian Hernandez
I'll be honest, it's terrible.
Justin Ortiz
Paratrooper, nice.
Jayden Brooks
I am officially declaring him "my guy" anyway.
Jace Gray
What does Owl Goingblack write and is there a better image of him from OP to see his shelves?
Leo Morris
Super-Chief?
Dylan Price
Ryan Lindsay is an okay dude. A bit pretentious, but all writers are, even the ones that try to play themselves off as goofy clowns.
It just takes a certain amount of ego to be a writer to begin with.
Josiah Gutierrez
I'm not going to disagree with you.
What's wrong with it?
Lincoln Harris
This dude is pretty fucking cool
I can't believe I've seen the Twitter types griping about how DC didn't accept any webcomic writers, but neglected to notice that they accepted two women, two black guys, and this rad native American dude
Michael Howard
>ESPECIALLY the ones that try to play themselves off as goofy clowns.
Christopher Murphy
Point.
Caleb Roberts
A little too much telling instead of showing Really bad layouts Bad dialogue which is a pet peeve of mine, most mainstream comic book writers fail to give a character a distinctive voice and has everyone speaking the same.
But really, you have to make up something in one page? Don't split it up in 4 panels and fill it up with dialogue.
Matthew Perry
>They all started in small publishers
No, someone started writing for the League of SH as a teen by sending his fanfic via mail. And that's one example.
Sebastian Jackson
Shut the fuck up they should totally have hired me instead.
Carter Nelson
Thanks man. I can definitely see what you mean because shit, I put whole paragraphs in boxes.
Regarding the showing/telling, I mentioned this in a previous post but it's a direct copy and pasteof the text from a paragraph from the story I wrote.
Daniel Fisher
But webcomics are teh future!!!
Jason Ward
Hey, if fucking 50 shades of grey can make it big, so can we
Kayden Diaz
If it helps I've been rereading some of my own stuff and cringing at it.
Josiah Allen
Wow, I know a fairly successful writer who applied and didn't make it. Makes me feel a bit better that I didn't get in either, to be honest.
Landon Ward
As someone who has been published (and didn't get in), props to you. This is exactly what an aspiring writer should do. Getting good writing gigs is incredibly hard, but learning to work with other people and showing initiative is always the way to go.
Angel Scott
Let's be honest, you aren't half as cool as Owl Goingback.
Mason White
Some times I think about putting together a Cred Forums writers circle, but it would probably fall apart from bickering.
No one is.
Jayden Long
I hope Owl Goingback is a good writer, I couldn't bear the disappointment if he's not
Carter Lee
I know, right? Then again I can just pretend he's a good writer because I like him as a person like people are doing with Spencer.
Andrew Hill
...
Xavier Green
Spencer is an asshole though. He just happiness to write decent comedy and be partnered with living god Steve Lieber.
Gavin Brooks
Is the fourth guy Ben Kingsley?
Jace Hall
He's a console wars fag so I imagine console warriors on the side if marvel like him for that. And he puts memes in his comics and some love that.
Christian Lopez
This is now my deepest fear.
Owen Rogers
I know right?
Jaxson Rodriguez
Thanks man. I'm not giving up anytime soon. This rejection actually fueled me up and I'm gonna get to the goddamned top.
>Tim Seeley It's amazing that Seeley has been writing for almost 13 years now. Newfags have only heard of him since Grayson.
Aiden Butler
The only way DC would hire someone without writing experience is if they are a celebrity or if they have connections within DC.
Nathan Watson
>Spencer >good person he is about as "good" as Waid
Elijah Howard
he was in the army. Historically, military guys make good comic writers.
Austin Rivera
I didn't say he's a good person I said he's a shitty writer with fans that pretend he is good.
Christian Cox
Both black guys seem to be BLM types based on their twitter output, but I won't worry about that, I'll wait to see their writing chops.
Jonathan Anderson
That chick on the left is lewd lifting her legs up like that to show her bulge. Would bang.
Jaxson Perry
so long as they don't inject politics into it i really couldn't give a fuck. I haven't seen anyone who uses twitter write anything good on it.
William Phillips
>I still can't comprehend why there are people who think these kinds of talent workshops will entertain people who literally have no experience writing or has no previous accolades were there seriously people who thought this?
like getting rejected sucks but come on
Jayden Evans
>only one woman
Liam Anderson
There's two
Anyway black guys and Owl Goingback are more diverse than generic white girls
Jackson Hughes
yeah but theyre writing partners, so they may as well be one woman. I'd have preferred more non-whites in general. in fact, get right of the white guys and replace them with non-white women.
Jose Torres
>I'd have preferred more non-whites in general Too bad :)
Bentley Perry
madman
Kevin Ross
It's only diversity if they're diversifying by hiring me, of course
Connor Ward
This thread is Owl Goingback to page 1
Liam Howard
This, curious about his entry, desu.
Chase Edwards
I wouldn't dream of claiming I am, user.
Mason Harris
QUICK Cred Forums post your face when Owl Goingback isn't a good writer
Christopher Collins
>Do they seriously think that DC's gonna seriously get a bunch of wannabe writers with huge ideas and zero experience other than their Fan Fiction as their next Tom King, James Tynion IV, Steve Orlando, and Tim Seeley?
Considering how Jim Shooter happened, yes.
Jayden Cox
Jim Shooter happened decades ago and no one has been hired like that since the 80s.
Christopher Barnes
What changed? The law, the amount of people reading/applying? There is no way Marvel/DC would even read fanfic from a 15 year old.
Jose Wood
*would read an unsolicited fanfic/suggestions from a 15 year old, today.
Justin Scott
>DC puts out a comic encouraging webcomic authors to participate. >All the winners are professional TV and film writers
Well, HELL
Ryan Flores
Who the fuck said that's what they were doing?
Alexander Foster
>8 people are picked out of 1500+ submissions Clearly they are just biased against webcomic people
Nicholas Torres
Webcomic people.
Sebastian Perry
webcomic people don't know how to read and have an inflated sense of self
Oliver Long
As companies grow older they become less risk averse. Why take a chance on some nobody who wrote a decent fan-fic when you can hire someone with professional credentials? Exceptions of course for friends/family of people already in the industry.
Jace Cooper
I like this guy.
Nicholas Ramirez
Lawyers realized that you could sue/get sued over unsolicited material that bears similarity to material that actually later sees print.
Mort Weisinger stopped being in charge and his successors were much less willing to bully teenagers into working with unreasonable deadlines.
People stopped hiring teens for that kind of stuff in general in the 50s.
Jonathan Perry
>Some times I think about putting together a Cred Forums writers circle Do it.
Jace Walker
You got a skype? Any mother fucking writers here who have a skype, post it.