>Batman is the epitome of virility and manliness—just the opposite image of the fag. Wertham read homosexuality into this thing because I had a man and a boy living in a big house together—in the same bedroom—with just a butler and no female around. The doctor read homosexuality into it, through his eyes, but for that matter he also put down the WONDER WOMAN comic as a lesbian invention.
>It was all hogwash but I had to do something about it anyway. So I changed their bedrooms and I added Aunt Harriet—sort of a mother to both of them.
>Even so, I suppose the homosexuals like the TV show because of those tight outfits Adam West and Burt Ward wear. I imagine they sit around watching them on the screen and slap each other on the knees with the sheer joy of it all, but what can you do about that? I can’t change the characters because they weren’t homos in the first place and because you have to be crazy to fight success.
Does it get worse in the link or something? Slurs aside he isn't really saying anything too outlandish. Just describing the changes they had to make because of that dumb book.
Anyway I'm sure this will turn into a Dick/Bruce thread now
Eli Butler
>he added Aunt Harriett
Aunt Harriett was added by editor Julius Schwartz to align the comic book with what was happening on the television show. At that point, Kane had no input. He wasn't even drawing it. Sheldon Moldoff was ghosting it for him. Just one more Bob Kane lie.
Benjamin Jackson
>Kane takes credit for others work Big surprise!
Liam Hill
Won't someone post that Steranko story?
Jonathan Gonzalez
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Zachary Thompson
I met Steranko back in June or so at Heroes Con. I didn't have any of his stuff on hand to sign, but I mentioned that story and he lost it. Had a good laugh about it and told me that no one deserved to be bitch slapped as bad as Bob Kane.
Bentley Lee
Based Steranko.
Luis Williams
sorry dont really know to much about bat-history, could someone explain who Steranko is? I know Kane drew a lot of the art in the early stories (Most of it poor and traced)
Nathaniel Powell
Fucking Steranko man. Someone post his life stories.
I mean hes not wrong. Homosexuals will project their sexuality onto anything.
Justin Reyes
Has there ever been a Batman story where a Girlfriend gets suspicious of Bruce Wayne because he was always going out at night and showing up all bruised? and so she thinks he's secretly gay?? and then she's like "Well you're either gay or...i don't know..BATMAN" so then Bruce has to pretend to be gay so she won't think he's batman
has this story ever happened?
Asher Kelly
requesting clown painting story
Noah Davis
Or he could just call her a moron and come up with one of dozens of other cover stories.
Jayden Martinez
Steranko has nothing to do with Batman, but he's a big Marvel guy who WE know for bitch-slapping Bob Kane for being a cunt.
Benjamin Cruz
He always explains the bruises/scars as skiing/horse riding/race car driving/etc. "accidents"
Benjamin Phillips
Stan Lee's 933 years old and he's no homophobe.
Jaxson Price
>not getting into increasingly absurd Three's Company style shenanigans
what do you want? a Batman story about fighting crime???
Lucas White
That's some Chris-Chan level of anti-gay ranting.
Jose Gutierrez
He just said Batman wasn't gay. Hows that homophobic ?
Jayden Martin
seconding
Adam Scott
Yeah nothing in that seems that extreme.
John King
"...you've got some weird ideas about how gay sex works, Silver."
Anthony Sullivan
>all that solid truth homophobia my ass. if that's a homophobe, then sign me up for the white hood and invite me to the cross-burning.
Liam Murphy
only in the 20th century. literally everyone else who ever lived thought it was common sense. you know how kids hate sleeping on their own, and get scared and cry? that's because they're not fucking supposed to. it's astounding, i know. who would have ever thought maybe their instincts were right?
Henry Scott
>Batman is the epitome of virility and manliness—just the opposite image of the fag.
Look, the dude is from over half a century ago, it's homophobic but it's dumb to be shocked by it or defensive of it, it's just the culture of the time.
Connor Taylor
it's the culture of all times except briefly in greece, rome, and japan. and even then the manly one was the giver, while the one receiving was understood to be a little puss
Cooper Cooper
If Robin is young enough to get scared sleeping on his own then he's too young to fucking fight crime, retard.
>It's the culture of all times >Except for all these cultures >And a bunch I don't know about >Cred Forums please notice me
Josiah Walker
It's not uncommon in many cultures for the family to sleep together or under extraneous circumstances. I shared a bedroom with my dad when we were members of a 4 part family with 2 rooms.
Isaac Ross
>Wertham read homosexuality into this thing because I had a man and a boy living in a big house together—in the same bedroom—with just a butler and no female around.
Huh........thats pedophilia, not homosexuality asshat edgetard.
Cooper Gray
Well, that is quite literally what Wertham said so Kane wasn't technically wrong when he made that statement.
Blake Gomez
Bob Kane doesn't know about Wonder Woman
Jaxon Sanders
>caring in the first place about anything Bob Kane says that isn't an apology to Bill Finger
Jack Bell
POST THE CLOWN STORY
Nolan Edwards
nobody gave any fucks about that back then
Levi Reed
Did they really care much about the difference?
Adam Parker
>“Bob had gotten to the point where he never drew anything. Never drew anything on the Batman comics, anyway. [Sheldon] Moldoff was ghosting them all and when he didn’t, someone else did. The only thing I think Bob ever drew was when we’d be out somewhere, in a restaurant or someplace, and a pretty girl would come over to him and say, ‘Are you really the man who draws Batman?’ Then he could whip out a little sketch for her, a big sketch if she was wearing something low-cut and would bend over to watch him draw.
>One day I’m over at his house to discuss this newspaper strip idea we had and he’s talking about who we might get to draw it. I was going to write it and we were going to get someone else to draw it. I’m not sure what Bob was going to do on it except sign his name. I said to him, 'Bob, isn’t it disappointing to you that you don’t draw any more? You were once such a great artist.’ He wasn’t but you had to talk to Bob that way.
>He said, 'Oh, no. Let me show you something.’ He took me into a little room in his house. It was his studio. I didn’t even know he still had a studio. It was all set up with easels and things and there were paintings, paintings of clowns. You know the kind. Like the ones Red Skelton used to do. Just these insipid portraits of clowns, all signed very large, 'Bob Kane.’ He was so proud of them. He said, 'These are the paintings that are going to make me in the world of art. Batman was a big deal in one world and these paintings will soon be in every gallery in the world.’ He thought the Louvre was going to take down the Mona Lisa to put up his clown paintings. I didn’t have the heart to tell him.
(1/2)
Jonathan Wilson
(2/2)
>So a few months later, I’m up at DC and I ran into Eddie Herron. Eddie was another writer up there and we got to talking and Bob’s name came up. Eddie said, 'Did you hear? Bob’s getting sued by one of his ghost artists.’
>I said, 'How is that possible? Shelly Moldoff’s suing Bob? But they had a clear deal. Shelly knew he wasn’t going to get credit or anything…’
>Eddie said, 'No, not Shelly.’ Bob was being sued by the person who’d painted the clowns for him…”
Source: the late Arnold Drake
Anthony Mitchell
beautiful thanks
Angel Walker
If he says Batman isn't gay then why is Batman so gay? He insisted he created him and did tons of shit with him so clearly he helped make Batman gay.
Dominic Mitchell
Was this before or after the Joker appeared in the comics?
Thomas Campbell
>implying Bob Kane would ever apologize to anyone ever
Oliver Ward
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Ethan Green
>slap each other on the knees
Is that what people back then thought fags did to each other? That's fucking hilarious.
Juan Rivera
These Kane stories are pretty great, any more?
Nathan Peterson
Bob Kane is within every right to assert the sexuality of his creations and he's not a phobe because of this.
That said he's raging cunt who stole from Bill Finger and I hope the devil is raping him sideways with a pitch fork
Jack Miller
I don't know about that, but there's a Robin story where he comes to school with 2 black eyes and his teachers think Bruce Wayne is beating him.
Colton Russell
People only started to differentiate between the two in the 70s.
Camden Campbell
>Bob Kane is within every right to assert the sexuality of his creations and he's not a phobe because of this. >his creations
Nathaniel Reyes
>who stole from Bill Finger -and Jerry Robinson -and Lew Sayre Schwartz -and Sheldon Moldoff -and you can probably throw in Don Cameron, Joe Samachson, Edmond Hamilton, Charlie Paris and a few others -oh, and the guy who painted the clowns for him.
Jason Gutierrez
Cred Forums on suicide watch
you are you liberlcucks ever going to recover from that?
Colton Rivera
does anyone have the story where he disowned the joker after someone said he was gay
Julian Peterson
Do you think he had to play up being one to fit in with society back then?
>Oh yeah, those darn gays...grr!
Robert Martinez
>It's homophobic to write a straight character and leave him that way COOL!
Mason Cox
>the fag >the homosexuals >homos
His way of referring to gay people sounds awkward. Were the wordings he chose considered insults back in the 1960s, or were they neutral lingo at the time?
Either way, I can see why he was complaining; it can get pretty annoying to deal with shippers or moral guardians who are obsessed with subtext. But I've also understood that Kane was a bit of a stealing dick, so I'm not feeling too much sympathy for him. Interesting quotes though, I wasn't aware that Kane felt bothered by that stuff.
Gavin Russell
I read up on bundy I think. how one of his victims was like 14-5. and the officer just thought he bundy's lover and there was just a minor dispute and let them hash it out themselves. at least i think it was bundy. the 70's was a fucking weird time.
Jordan Martinez
Really? Do you remember which issue it is
Asher Brown
>his creations
Anthony Russell
For the time this was considered progressive thinking.
Luis King
>I said to him, 'Bob, isn’t it disappointing to you that you don’t draw any more? You were once such a great artist.’ He wasn’t but you had to talk to Bob that way.
LOL
Juan Anderson
>Eddie said, 'No, not Shelly.
Sweet baby Jesus, I am legit laughing out loud at this.
Hudson Kelly
wrong on so many levels user.
Logan Edwards
Aunt Harriet was added in 1964, to replace Alfred after he'd been killed off. Alfred coming back to life was the change they made to tie into the series.
Christian Gonzalez
>"A lynching? Excelsior!"
Jayden Taylor
Nowadays a creator can't be openly upset when people want to gay ship their creations. You have to give the PC answer "if you want to interpret them that way then sure they are gay" At least Bob stood for the integrity of the characters.
Jason Ward
Is Stan perfect? I mean, besides slightly screwing over Jack Kirby.
Nathaniel Hernandez
>because I had a man and a boy living in a big house together—in the same bedroom—with just a butler and no female around
I don't even care for the whole "lolBatmanisgay" joke, but that comes off as pretty gay.
Evan Perez
you can still tell it like it is and say no or yes. However, if you go maybe you can bait a few more readers.
Brody Perry
Bob Kane standing for integrity is a paradox.
Angel Roberts
>slightly Lel. And he screwed over more than Kirby. Ditko, Orlando, Wood... He is objectively the worst person to have ever worked on the industry.
Christopher Turner
>Bob Kane >creator >integrity
Thomas Brown
Bob Kane is comic book Satan
this is not up for debate
Justin Ortiz
He'd pull the backhanded apology of "Sorry I'm great and you're not".
Julian Nelson
Someone post that one Robin doujin. You know which one.
>Bob Kane >integrity >literally stole and took credit for the work of other creators Shut the fuck up, Jesus.
Samuel Walker
>Batman is the epitome of virility and manliness Why does this line make me laugh so much?
Landon Peterson
I'm not saying Kane didn't do a lot of skeevy things. But as far as I am aware, he was the origination point for Batman. I also said he stood for Batman's integrity, not his own.
Jeremiah Lopez
That's been normal lingo for fags in Australia forever, maybe you're just a pussy.
Michael Collins
He came up with the name Batman and that's about it
Luke Lewis
>Even so, I suppose the homosexuals like the TV show because of those tight outfits Adam West and Burt Ward wear. I imagine they sit around watching them on the screen and slap each other on the knees with the sheer joy of it all
> Superheroes weren't attractive in the comic themselves > it was the tv show that brought all the gays
???
Nathan Gutierrez
>Batman is the epitome of virility and manliness—just the opposite image of the fag.
WTF I love Bob Kane now.
Colton Cook
Dick in the comics looked pretty fucking gross. Short like a kid, but basically with an adult body. Really weird.
Burt Ward however was incredibly attractive and apparently had huge enough junk that Catholic League of Decency complained about that in addition to the bare leg thing.
Jeremiah Phillips
>Homophobia
It's not a "phobia". People are disgusted by the gays, not afraid of them.
Nathan Morgan
If you wrote a fanfic of this I'd read it, no joke.
Matthew Miller
I think there was a short story where a bunch of women get together and talk about Bruce and they come to the conclusion that none of them actually slept with him But I could be remembering wrong
Wyatt Rodriguez
>The doctor read homosexuality into it, through his eyes, but for that matter he also put down the WONDER WOMAN comic as a lesbian invention. I can't imagine where anyone would get that idea.
Isaac White
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Caleb Watson
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Jason Robinson
Why did they draw them in the same bedroom anyway?
Lucas Hughes
IIRC it that was a scene Kevin Smith said he wrote but editorial told him was unacceptable.
Daniel Phillips
Probably so they could have them talk in a relaxed environment. Why they didn't just use the batlounge, I'll never know.
Elijah Jones
Supermans synergy is usually for the better
David Gutierrez
>a man who's a product of the times is a product of the times Congratulations CBR on your top notch reporting there
Easton Sullivan
God, Bob Kane was such a closet homo.
David Cox
I find it funny because CBR acknowledges that Bob Kane is a product of his time frame but then double take it and follows it up with saying that even for his time frame it's pretty homophobic
>Still, even while taking into account the era Kane was in when he made those comments, it’s still a shame to read such nonsense.
>But thanks to Clyde for bringing it to my attention, as I think it is worthwhile to see it, as dumb as it is.
Hunter Richardson
I actually pissed on Kane's grave a few years back.
Connor Hernandez
No you fucking idiot. Everybody knew what they got up. But what was he going to say "I'm sure they sucked each others cocks with glee" ?
Colton Rogers
Thank you, I was just about to ask someone to post this tombstone.
Jaxson Parker
>Casket stuffed with Batman toys circa 1998; i.e. Batman and Robin movie figures
>Forever decomposing next to a Chris O'Donnel Robin figure
Luis Cox
At least Chris O'Donnel was hot
Lincoln Martinez
Ok but how did Kane explain things like
Chase Cox
>a golden shower They're not even subtle
The bat-cave is Robin's anal cavity and the batmobile is his prostate, "repair the batmobile" means they're just going to smash heavy machinery into his ass.
Kevin Williams
Robin Dick is too pure for that, user.
Evan Smith
I never said anything about Dick's dick, user. Just the bat-cave.
Hudson Myers
>smash heavy machinery into his ass. oh dear
Wyatt Thompson
Bob Kane had nothing to with the creation of anything past Detective Comics 28.
Ethan Perry
I'm at least glad that they're putting Bill Finger into all the credits now. Guy deserved it.
Alexander White
Go on...
Luke Cooper
I'll need more out of context homoerotic panels to work with.
Joshua Rodriguez
>I'm at least glad that they're putting Bill Finger into all the credits now. Something like, 30 years after he died penniless and alone on a fucking park bench.
Jackson Price
It's called Photoshop.
Samuel Stewart
Isn't that image gay enough without adding something about urination?
Lincoln Rogers
I know, I was just making a joke and being a bit of a faggot about it, which shouldn't be surprising considering the nature of this thread.